Current situation- Some clarifications- Pl stay on

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Dear Ashutosh,

Please stay on and lets see the moderated functioning of the group for some time and decide if it needs a change as yet.

I do agree with the mail and am happy you have reassured everyone that this is a onetime, and more specific to one person only.

Though i still stand by my suggestion to warn before a BAN and hope all others at least this will come

I request you that say give Bhaskar a month or two gap to cool down and ressess his strenght sand weakness and if he is willing to come back by group requirements/conditions he can be given a chance , there are fewer astrologers and more querrents so any help here is welcome

BUT DO UNDERSTAND THE job of one has to be seen in a global perspective and no personal side may be this will be a learning experience for all, though we have also as u said on and off crossed each and everyone. I can say for sure that with whoever I had crossed some words we are good friends in private when they did seek clarification and do get my views cleared.

If we havea pointit must be done in an acceptable ways sometimes due to the open site we cant do so much in private we have been able to bridge the issues well all of them I have a good relationship

I hope ur experience as a moderator in 4 will help groom the ones who can try it as this is a big group we need some one used to such jobs.

BUT SURE IT MUST REFLECT THE VEDIC ASTROLOGY, ITS VALUES DICTIMS, QUOTS, REMEDIES in full.

please stay on and personal preferences or likes and dislikes on Hindu concepts must not deter the spirit of moderation as you have declared ur self as an atheist so other than this I have no issues and do hope u willdo a good job here

But I dont mind TWO PEOPLE DOING THE JOB AS A TEAM you and Pt arjun also. discuss things and bring a sense of democratic feeling here we will all be happy at it.

say that u intend to warn some one both of your openions can be sent to the group and asked for a comment and proceed.

My congrats once again.

some moderation than than no moderation is always a healthy way.

Thanks

Prashant

 

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote: Dear all,

The action to ban Bhaskar was not born out of impatience. There is a valid reason behind it.

There was the option of warning him. But, knowing the 'short-fuse' volatile nature of Bhaskar, what do you think would have been his reaction. The one who has personally attacked almost every contributing member in this group, would have politely accepted the warning?

His words on my chat were," Main tab tak kisi ka kuchh nahin bigadta jab tak woh mera kuchh na bigade." meaning, "I do not harm anyone unless he harms me." This despite the fact that I was not even responding to him. Sensing further attacks from him, I ignored him from my messenger.

Not to go too far, Bhaskar had indirectly attacked RRji yesterday in one of his mails. First he creates all kinds of angry moods, finds reasons to fight from other people's words and then when the water crosses his head, he cools down. This kind Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde personality has disturbed the peace in this group many times. He clearly shows that no one can point out his mistakes. He takes even simple advices as personal attacks. What can one do with a person who has a bare sword in his hand and is always ready to fight.

If you go through the mails regarding Bhaskar's negative opinions about one nation, you will see that everyone was very polite and logical with him, but all his replies are full of will to fight and argue. He grew more and more adamant with each mail. Most of the members here see it as nothing abnormal because the nation in question has had bad relations with India. But, imagine if India and Bangladesh have some conflicts, should all Indians leave this group just because it is owned by an astrologer from Bangladesh.

"Swadeshe pujyete raja, vidvan sarvatra pujyate" While the kings are respected in their own nations, the scholarly ones get respect all over the world. We cannot allow the personal, national, religious biases to hinder the growth of knowledge.

The warnings are given when one has done a mistake and has the will to amend it. But, when one is ready with a sword to fight it out till the end, adamantly proving his own point again and again, the warnings only serve to incite him and his vociferousness.

Bhaskar's case is an exception. This is not applicable to everyone. Most of the members in this group have very less frequencies of angry outbursts. Everyone cannot and will not be treated in same way.

About my commercial motives. Bhaskar has never and can never be a challenge to me. Take it as my ego or whatever, I do not feel threatened by anyone's astrological powers in this group. My clientage is not here. Please remember it.

It was Bhaskar who has been raising the issue of commercialisation every time. Indirectly or directly he has been showing his own needs to earn money from astrology.

I have always maintained that I am a full time professional astrologer but I have never directly or indirectly seeked clients from this group. I had started using the signature line proclaiming my professional status only to keep the free advice seekers away from my private id. Despite that I receive around 15 mails each day which I have to ignore, warn or just delete. If you notice, I have not been using my signature line since past few weeks. My contributions have also gone down.

Bhaskar may be a good astrologer, but he has some serious drawbacks. He does not know where to stop. An astrologer is respected not only for his knowledge but for his wisdom too. There is a big difference between knowledge and wisdom. Without wisdom knowledge can be very harmfull.

An emotionally uncontrolled astrologer can be like a bull in a china shop. Irresponsible words, acts, rash motives and all, will be there. A doctor and an astrologer should have such a behaviour that half of the patient's or client's worries are reduced just by seeing him. A personally disturbed astrologer cannot properly guide anyone on right path.

The action to ban Bhaskar was taken not out of any personal grievances, but due to his own rash behaviour over last few months. We are in a group which is not ruled, governed, set by Indians only. It is a global group. Showing negative opinion for any perticular nation or religion amounts to striking at the very root of this group's foundation. The non-Indian members can get a feeling that tomorrow they can be discriminated against too. This will promt them not to contribute here any more.

Democracy does not mean a free for all. There has to be some control somewhere.

I say again, Bhaskar's case is an exception. He could not be warned, knowing his nature of retaliation. To avoid further ugly scenes and mutual angry dialogues, he had to be removed.

Even before I could inform the group about his removal one member sent out his outcry. I sense that there is a feeling of insecurity among the contributing group members. But, those who know me and Tanvir are assured that we will take an action only as and when needed and up to the required intensity only. It is unfortunate that Bhaskar had to be removed. He still has the option open to apologise to whole group for his statements and he will be welcomed back with open arms.

I have taken this action not as Astrologer Ashutosh, but as Moderator Ashutosh. Being a moderator is not in my best interests as a conributing astrologer. On 'valist' my contributions have dwindled after I was appointed moderator by Das Goravani. Now, I have to weigh all my words and statements thrice before sending out any post. Any action or word of mine can be taken as autocratic or full of self-interest.

If anyone feels that he can take up the responsibility of moderating this group without hurting anyone's feelings, he is welcome to take my place. I will be very happy to be just an astrologer contributer.

Best regards,

Ashutosh

-

Tanvir Chowdhury

Saturday, 16 September, 2006 00:20

Current situation

Dear all,

It is clear that there are some heat, or discussion on this forum

about the recent banning of

Bhaskar Ji by newly appointed moderator Ashutosh Ji. (For everyone's

information, whoever might be mistaking, I did not ban Bhaskar Ji;

Ashutosh Ji did.) So I wanted to add my two bits of my input here.

We need to clarify a lot of things.

Dear Arjun Ji, in one post you have written,

"it is sad to note that tanvirji ignored the request of ALL MEMBERS

to give a warning first before banning a member."

I have not ignored any request. I am very busy about my personal

life and unfortunately cannot concentrate about the forum that much

to precisely monitor what is going on and I believe that even

missing ONE message might lead a moderator to take a wrong decision.

That's why I have appointed Ashutosh Ji as a new moderator, for few

reasons : He is a good astrologer, this is needed for a moderator

because he has to resist the filths that comes as astrology (Like I

believe I have done the correct when I banned SA from this forum).

secondly so far I have known him, I watch him as a mature, tolerant,

logical and unbiased person, which is needed for moderation. The

last two qualities are very needed. (Of course many I know will

disagre about his tolerance and maturity for the recent banning, of

course views differ.) And also that he showed the concern about

group by writing me personally... often there are arguments beyond

the limit, and even spam mails, porn advertisements but no one wrote

to me but now at least he did.

Now as the banning of Prashant Kumar Ji, I had received a few

complaints about him and as I did not follow the posts regularly I

recognized the complaints (as there was more than one person

compaining) and so banned him. I could NOT give a warning because it

would need further monitoring which I was unable of doing. And I did

know that my decision might be wrong AND that is the reason I asked

freely about your opinion and as soon as I had received positive

feedback, I had removed the ban and requested him to join again. Had

I investigated the matter more, or thought my decision to be final,

I would not have asked for your comments / votes. But I knew that I

might be wrong that is why I kept the room for being flexible.

Personally I am always against of banning and the most I do (In

general) is to disable one's posting and still let him/her be in the

forum.

Here I have given the power to Ashutosh Ji to ban someone because if

someone has given some responsibility he must be given the power and

authority otherwise he cannot carry out his job.

I believe Ashutosh Ji will use his authority and decisions with

tolerance and maturity, of course and I believe you all will

cooperate him in this matter.

He might as well consider the step by step procedure suggested by

you as well. Personally I am in favour of using this steps before

banning someone. However, as I have given HIM the responsibility, I

would like to let HIM decide and not burden my own style on him.

I also feel that a message should be delivered announcing the ban of

the member and explaining the reasons, after the ban is executed.

Regarding financial interests about astrology, I do not think it to

be bad. A person might be thinking that his wisdom, knowledge or

whatever he has is worth selling, if others are willing to buy.

Giving free readings cannot assure that one is noble. One can be

very fair even after offering only paid readings and one can be a

deceiver / unethical even through free readings. I personally really

do not remember when for the last time I had replied to a mail

requesting free reading. It is of course more than six months, or

even close to a year. So, will people say that I am a businessman?

Some will, surely. But they will NOT do anymore after learning that

one person is after me for a PAID READING for more than 4-5 months

and another person is on the queue for one month and another is for

20 days or so. All paid readings, from where I would earn money.

So it is all about being busy, and the reading needs mental energy,

some deep insight, that has to come from it's own. Otherwise, I do

NOT do readings, no one can even make me. People can also criticize

on my high prices of readings ($100-200, on average $150 or

somewhere) but it's just that I feel that my knowledge and labour

deserves that payment, I am in favour of working less but when I

work, I work good. For God's grace there is no complaint /

dissatisfaction from any of my paid customers as of yet. And many

trash things are going on around as astrology, with high prices,

just for their BIG NAMES and BIG GROUPS, and I know about their

knowledge fairly enough, so my ethics does not let me charge small.

So anyone can call me businessman too... but I know I am enough

strong financially and have no dependency on the money earned from

net.

Anyway.

Thanks for everyone, for your voices and being a part of JR family.

Regards

Tanvir

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Which is mine, is forever mine.

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