Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Unfortunately for me, I am rarely allowed to stay in the kindergarten. -- In , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Rishi, > > I have read your earlier email about ayanamshas. Like I said earlier, > it was fascinating, as are your other posts. When I said 'ambitious' > what I meant was that you were underestimating yourself considerably > and setting too ambitious a standard for KG :-) > > RR > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Ranjanda, > > > > How will I get answers. > > I have the path though which may lead someone to the answer. > > Sun creates endless cycles, have posted it earlier here, let me > look > > at the message number and report in due course. > > My suggestion is look at the cycles created by Guru and Sun. It is > > not a coincidence that Sun> moon and Jupiter have such a prominence > > in Jyotish. While Sun and moon create "natural" months; similarly > > sun and Guru create "natural" years. > > This is what is showing a visible demonstratble measurement of > > ayanamsha....... > > It is a long hypothesis but then if simple answers are needed then > > one has to wade through difficult concepts. > > Duty calls me and the night deepens across the world at your end, > if > > my answer is still needed will begin again later.... > > rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > We await the answer, Sir! > > > Do you have one?? > > > Please share! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > rr, "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > But why shouldnot the Zero be clear, why should it be an > > individual > > > > choice? > > > > Afterall, the Sun is there up in the skies and moving through > > the > > > > ecliptic for ages and creating days and nights. Creating months > > > with > > > > moon..... > > > > All those variety of reasons, ranjanda, are again personal, > > > > scriptural arent they? > > > > Why do we accept that 50.279 arcseconds per year is the change? > > > > Because it has been empirically measued by Simon Newcombe. This > > > year > > > > change is there to measure. > > > > Again, you can successfully predict with different zeroes as > the > > > > tropical astrologers do too. > > > > Is it just the noise level, if so then it is chaos as we see it > > in > > > > this group for last few months. > > > > regards > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And, dada, the zero needs to be established in the circle. > > > > > > 0 Aries..right...but where is Zero Aries? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I have seen, Rishiji, since 1970s -- wherever you > > place > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > Some have stomped their foot harder than others! > > > > > > > > > > Though weaker in placing and NOISE, for a variety of reasons > > > other > > > > > alternatives do exist! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 I am in total agreement with your line of thinking, Rishi. I was not trying to discourage you from your pursuit, by the way. RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Ranjanji, > The atmosphere in the group does not seem conducive to such debates. > Still,for whatit is worth. > That Nirayana zodiac is linked to chitra or revati is again an > assumption. We seem to be stuck in a situation where despite the > clear caution in the classics regarding desh, kaal etc we do not want > to give credence to kaal! > The graha laghava paddhathi is fantastically accurate ...but for the > period in which it was written in the 15th century! > The formula suggested for ayanamsha calculation is good and simple > indeed but the author never thought that six hundred years later the > same formula will still be applied. > I think a relook is needed. > > Secondly,do jyotishis validate the movement of sun by unfolding of > events in the charts? > Do jyotishis validate the concept of rashi by successful predictions > or do they use rashi as a tool to predict? > I would say here that there are so many factors that you can predict > successfully without concepts too. > > "Jyotishis have generally (strongly) stated that the validity of a > > given ayanamsha is easily proven or demonstrated by successful > > predictions and good concordances between divisional chart and the > > actual unfolding of traits or events in the nativity's life." > > You have given enough counterarguments in your mail about this. You > are right, the determination of Zero has little relevance because of > the manifold factors involved. > However, when we take up Jyotish as a science, we need to establish > certain basics and therefore my attempt. I am indeed fortunate and > blessed that I attempted to corelate these cycles. It is not material > if it is useful or not for that is not my ambition. > I would rather stay in this beginner's class and try to curiously ask > the "whys" of Jyotish and am grateful that there are some answers if > one cares to look for rather than accepting an answer just because > Guruji said so or translated it in his perception of what Parasara > said. > regards > > rishi > > Raah usiki diya usika > mujhe to bas chalna hai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Rishiji, Very true. Especially the present atmospere vitiated with hatred, clashes of will and ill will always puts me off. Having been in close contact with strife, dishonesty, anger, viciousness and lies - enough (for me) to last, this journey of the soul - I prefer to remain switched off- in my own *island* in insulation mode. You are right - I prefer to remain in the kindergarten for ever with our Ma. Nalini , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Naliniji, > Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the younger > siblings out of the kindergarten. > I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the > kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather remain at > the beginning! > regards > rishi > > > > , "auromirra19" > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > Rishi ji, > > Ha I did begin right!!!! > > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > > Nalini > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated and > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > > guiding > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > necessarily > > > on > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that for > > > most > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > > called > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of > > our > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > > salvation, > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice > in > > > that > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not > > be > > > the > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have > > > spelt > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we > > > expect > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > > arrangement > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and > > > would > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in > > > your > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly if > > > you > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha > and > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > > concept > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > > navamshas > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look > > at > > > the > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many > > > other > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I > > > still > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for chara > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > > vargas! > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without any > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software -- > > > and I > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > > anyone > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Problems like these will always remain ... What are doing to solve them, individually? These 'problems' are really tests -- they present in strange ways, and persistently!! RR , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > Rishiji, > Very true. Especially the present atmospere vitiated with hatred, > clashes of will and ill will always puts me off. Having been in > close contact with strife, dishonesty, anger, viciousness and lies - > enough (for me) to last, this journey of the soul - I prefer to > remain switched off- in my own *island* in insulation mode. > You are right - I prefer to remain in the kindergarten for ever with > our Ma. > Nalini > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Naliniji, > > Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the younger > > siblings out of the kindergarten. > > I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the > > kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather remain > at > > the beginning! > > regards > > rishi > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > Rishi ji, > > > Ha I did begin right!!!! > > > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > > > Nalini > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated > and > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > > > guiding > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > > necessarily > > > > on > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that > for > > > > most > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > > > called > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment > of > > > our > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > > > salvation, > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us > rejoice > > in > > > > that > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that > not > > > be > > > > the > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should > have > > > > spelt > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do > we > > > > expect > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > > > arrangement > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth > and > > > > would > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up > in > > > > your > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly > if > > > > you > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha > > and > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > > > concept > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > > > navamshas > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically > look > > > at > > > > the > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or > many > > > > other > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, > I > > > > still > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for > chara > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > > > vargas! > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without > any > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the > software -- > > > > and I > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > > > anyone > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Dear All, Writing this message emboldened by the words 'Basics', 'Beginners', 'Kindergarten' in the header and body of this thread. Though the content of the posts makes it clear that the basics are the basics of the post-doctoral courses! But my kindergarten beginners' question is about 'trikonas' and 'kendras'. Something that has been on my mind for a long time now, and this, perhaps, is a time for expression ...... What IS a trikona? And what is ACTUALLY a kendra? I am not asking for definitions. I am asking about the energy flows. What goes on in the trikonas and kendras from a graha? Why are most yogas about these positions? Why are 'neech bhanga' rules about these points from a graha? Not all grahas aspect their trikonas and kendras. Then why is it still important to note what is in a trikona or kendra from a graha? Hoping someone will note this email and reply. Regards, Nandini. , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > Rishiji, > Very true. Especially the present atmospere vitiated with hatred, > clashes of will and ill will always puts me off. Having been in > close contact with strife, dishonesty, anger, viciousness and lies - > enough (for me) to last, this journey of the soul - I prefer to > remain switched off- in my own *island* in insulation mode. > You are right - I prefer to remain in the kindergarten for ever with > our Ma. > Nalini > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Naliniji, > > Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the younger > > siblings out of the kindergarten. > > I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the > > kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather remain > at > > the beginning! > > regards > > rishi > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > Rishi ji, > > > Ha I did begin right!!!! > > > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > > > Nalini > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated > and > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > > > guiding > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > > necessarily > > > > on > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that > for > > > > most > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > > > called > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment > of > > > our > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > > > salvation, > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us > rejoice > > in > > > > that > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that > not > > > be > > > > the > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should > have > > > > spelt > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do > we > > > > expect > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > > > arrangement > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth > and > > > > would > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up > in > > > > your > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly > if > > > > you > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha > > and > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > > > concept > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > > > navamshas > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically > look > > > at > > > > the > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or > many > > > > other > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, > I > > > > still > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for > chara > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > > > vargas! > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without > any > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the > software -- > > > > and I > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > > > anyone > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Somewhere in an article written earlier, if memory holds true, kendras somehow connected better with spaces and circumstances/situations/surroundings, while trikonas did with people. Physics interacting with Biology/sociology perhaps! Then there is the Lakshmi-Vishnu aspect about DK yogas, as has been written by many jyotishis. Simplistic perhaps but it is a start! RR , "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo wrote: > > Dear All, > > Writing this message emboldened by the > words 'Basics', 'Beginners', 'Kindergarten' in the header and body > of this thread. Though the content of the posts makes it clear that > the basics are the basics of the post-doctoral courses! > > But my kindergarten beginners' question is about 'trikonas' > and 'kendras'. Something that has been on my mind for a long time > now, and this, perhaps, is a time for expression ...... > > What IS a trikona? And what is ACTUALLY a kendra? > > I am not asking for definitions. I am asking about the energy flows. > > What goes on in the trikonas and kendras from a graha? > Why are most yogas about these positions? > Why are 'neech bhanga' rules about these points from a graha? > > Not all grahas aspect their trikonas and kendras. Then why is it > still important to note what is in a trikona or kendra from a graha? > > Hoping someone will note this email and reply. > > Regards, > Nandini. > > , "auromirra19" > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > Rishiji, > > Very true. Especially the present atmospere vitiated with hatred, > > clashes of will and ill will always puts me off. Having been in > > close contact with strife, dishonesty, anger, viciousness and > lies - > > enough (for me) to last, this journey of the soul - I prefer to > > remain switched off- in my own *island* in insulation mode. > > You are right - I prefer to remain in the kindergarten for ever > with > > our Ma. > > Nalini > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Naliniji, > > > Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the > younger > > > siblings out of the kindergarten. > > > I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the > > > kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather > remain > > at > > > the beginning! > > > regards > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rishi ji, > > > > Ha I did begin right!!!! > > > > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > > > > Nalini > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated > > and > > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > > > > guiding > > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* > and > > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > > > necessarily > > > > > on > > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed > that > > for > > > > > most > > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have > been > > > > > called > > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the > betterment > > of > > > > our > > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > > > > salvation, > > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us > > rejoice > > > in > > > > > that > > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that > > not > > > > be > > > > > the > > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should > > have > > > > > spelt > > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do > > we > > > > > expect > > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > > > > arrangement > > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth > > and > > > > > would > > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show > up > > in > > > > > your > > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! > Particularly > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang > or > > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by > arudha > > > and > > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > > > > concept > > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > > > > navamshas > > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically > > look > > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or > > many > > > > > other > > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in > silicon, > > I > > > > > still > > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for > > chara > > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga > for > > > > > vargas! > > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that > without > > any > > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up > time! > > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the > > software -- > > > > > and I > > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here > if > > > > > anyone > > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 But then, Naliniji, time changes and we all have to contribute to this change. We can only stay on closer to Ma if that is what she wants. Otherwise she will push us out and say..go do your "duty" and with a thud onw will land at the elder brother's feet who will smirk and say, "welcome". The journey has to continue......... , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > Rishiji, > Very true. Especially the present atmospere vitiated with hatred, > clashes of will and ill will always puts me off. Having been in > close contact with strife, dishonesty, anger, viciousness and lies - > enough (for me) to last, this journey of the soul - I prefer to > remain switched off- in my own *island* in insulation mode. > You are right - I prefer to remain in the kindergarten for ever with > our Ma. > Nalini > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Naliniji, > > Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the younger > > siblings out of the kindergarten. > > I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the > > kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather remain > at > > the beginning! > > regards > > rishi > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > Rishi ji, > > > Ha I did begin right!!!! > > > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > > > Nalini > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated > and > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > > > guiding > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > > necessarily > > > > on > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that > for > > > > most > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > > > called > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment > of > > > our > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > > > salvation, > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us > rejoice > > in > > > > that > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that > not > > > be > > > > the > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should > have > > > > spelt > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do > we > > > > expect > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > > > arrangement > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth > and > > > > would > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up > in > > > > your > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly > if > > > > you > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha > > and > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > > > concept > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > > > navamshas > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically > look > > > at > > > > the > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or > many > > > > other > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, > I > > > > still > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for > chara > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > > > vargas! > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without > any > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the > software -- > > > > and I > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > > > anyone > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 All creation is a union of the twin energies in the universe. Or what we could sum up as the yin and yang, the mother and father. In jyotish symbols while Sun, the source of all energy and representing fire is the father; Moon is the mother representing the quenching of fire by water to bring about the creation of all life. The Kendras and Trikona may represent the contribution of the energies flowing from the father's side and the Mother's side. The trikonas represent the energy flowing from Sun to the chart beginning with the duty or dharma trikona. Closer to life, its the father's task to instill a sense of duty in the children, a crude parallal not trying to to gender stereotypes. The kendras represent the energy flowing from the Mother, Moon. That is why the Vishnu/ Laxmi symbolism drawn in Jyotish. The stronger the connections between the Kendra and the Trikona, the smoother the energy flows in an individual life........ rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Somewhere in an article written earlier, if memory holds true, > kendras somehow connected better with spaces and > circumstances/situations/surroundings, while trikonas did with > people. Physics interacting with Biology/sociology perhaps! Then > there is the Lakshmi-Vishnu aspect about DK yogas, as has been > written by many jyotishis. > > Simplistic perhaps but it is a start! > > RR > > , "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@> > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Writing this message emboldened by the > > words 'Basics', 'Beginners', 'Kindergarten' in the header and body > > of this thread. Though the content of the posts makes it clear that > > the basics are the basics of the post-doctoral courses! > > > > But my kindergarten beginners' question is about 'trikonas' > > and 'kendras'. Something that has been on my mind for a long time > > now, and this, perhaps, is a time for expression ...... > > > > What IS a trikona? And what is ACTUALLY a kendra? > > > > I am not asking for definitions. I am asking about the energy > flows. > > > > What goes on in the trikonas and kendras from a graha? > > Why are most yogas about these positions? > > Why are 'neech bhanga' rules about these points from a graha? > > > > Not all grahas aspect their trikonas and kendras. Then why is it > > still important to note what is in a trikona or kendra from a graha? > > > > Hoping someone will note this email and reply. > > > > Regards, > > Nandini. > > > > , "auromirra19" > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > Rishiji, > > > Very true. Especially the present atmospere vitiated with hatred, > > > clashes of will and ill will always puts me off. Having been in > > > close contact with strife, dishonesty, anger, viciousness and > > lies - > > > enough (for me) to last, this journey of the soul - I prefer to > > > remain switched off- in my own *island* in insulation mode. > > > You are right - I prefer to remain in the kindergarten for ever > > with > > > our Ma. > > > Nalini > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Naliniji, > > > > Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the > > younger > > > > siblings out of the kindergarten. > > > > I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the > > > > kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather > > remain > > > at > > > > the beginning! > > > > regards > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rishi ji, > > > > > Ha I did begin right!!!! > > > > > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > > > > > Nalini > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be > demonstrated > > > and > > > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > > > > > guiding > > > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* > > and > > > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > > > > necessarily > > > > > > on > > > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed > > that > > > for > > > > > > most > > > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have > > been > > > > > > called > > > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the > > betterment > > > of > > > > > our > > > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > > > > > salvation, > > > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us > > > rejoice > > > > in > > > > > > that > > > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let > that > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should > > > have > > > > > > spelt > > > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! > Do > > > we > > > > > > expect > > > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > > > > > arrangement > > > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth > > > and > > > > > > would > > > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show > > up > > > in > > > > > > your > > > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! > > Particularly > > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang > > or > > > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by > > arudha > > > > and > > > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized > that > > > > > concept > > > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas > in > > > > > > navamshas > > > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically > > > look > > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or > > > many > > > > > > other > > > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in > > silicon, > > > I > > > > > > still > > > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for > > > chara > > > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga > > for > > > > > > vargas! > > > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that > > without > > > any > > > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up > > time! > > > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the > > > software -- > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here > > if > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Rishi ji, I do agree and so believe that If Ma desires us to go into the dirty world, she would also equip us to deal with whatever we are dealt with, even it be the smirk of the ELDER brother or the dusty terrain. I shall wait until I am pushed and am content if I can have a peep whenever I am Ma-sick.(sorry if flippant(?)) Nalini , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > But then, Naliniji, time changes and we all have to contribute to > this change. > We can only stay on closer to Ma if that is what she wants. Otherwise > she will push us out and say..go do your "duty" and with a thud onw > will land at the elder brother's feet who will smirk and > say, "welcome". The journey has to continue......... > > > , "auromirra19" > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > Rishiji, > > Very true. Especially the present atmospere vitiated with hatred, > > clashes of will and ill will always puts me off. Having been in > > close contact with strife, dishonesty, anger, viciousness and lies - > > enough (for me) to last, this journey of the soul - I prefer to > > remain switched off- in my own *island* in insulation mode. > > You are right - I prefer to remain in the kindergarten for ever > with > > our Ma. > > Nalini > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Naliniji, > > > Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the > younger > > > siblings out of the kindergarten. > > > I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the > > > kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather remain > > at > > > the beginning! > > > regards > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rishi ji, > > > > Ha I did begin right!!!! > > > > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > > > > Nalini > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated > > and > > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > > > > guiding > > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* > and > > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > > > necessarily > > > > > on > > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that > > for > > > > > most > > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have > been > > > > > called > > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment > > of > > > > our > > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > > > > salvation, > > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us > > rejoice > > > in > > > > > that > > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that > > not > > > > be > > > > > the > > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should > > have > > > > > spelt > > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do > > we > > > > > expect > > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > > > > arrangement > > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth > > and > > > > > would > > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up > > in > > > > > your > > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! > Particularly > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by > arudha > > > and > > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > > > > concept > > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > > > > navamshas > > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically > > look > > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or > > many > > > > > other > > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, > > I > > > > > still > > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for > > chara > > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga > for > > > > > vargas! > > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without > > any > > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up > time! > > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the > > software -- > > > > > and I > > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here > if > > > > > anyone > > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Wow! , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > All creation is a union of the twin energies in the universe. Or what > we could sum up as the yin and yang, the mother and father. In > jyotish symbols while Sun, the source of all energy and representing > fire is the father; Moon is the mother representing the quenching of > fire by water to bring about the creation of all life. > The Kendras and Trikona may represent the contribution of the > energies flowing from the father's side and the Mother's side. > The trikonas represent the energy flowing from Sun to the chart > beginning with the duty or dharma trikona. Closer to life, its the > father's task to instill a sense of duty in the children, a crude > parallal not trying to to gender stereotypes. > The kendras represent the energy flowing from the Mother, Moon. That > is why the Vishnu/ Laxmi symbolism drawn in Jyotish. > The stronger the connections between the Kendra and the Trikona, the > smoother the energy flows in an individual life........ > rishi > > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Somewhere in an article written earlier, if memory holds true, > > kendras somehow connected better with spaces and > > circumstances/situations/surroundings, while trikonas did with > > people. Physics interacting with Biology/sociology perhaps! Then > > there is the Lakshmi-Vishnu aspect about DK yogas, as has been > > written by many jyotishis. > > > > Simplistic perhaps but it is a start! > > > > RR > > > > , "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Writing this message emboldened by the > > > words 'Basics', 'Beginners', 'Kindergarten' in the header and > body > > > of this thread. Though the content of the posts makes it clear > that > > > the basics are the basics of the post-doctoral courses! > > > > > > But my kindergarten beginners' question is about 'trikonas' > > > and 'kendras'. Something that has been on my mind for a long time > > > now, and this, perhaps, is a time for expression ...... > > > > > > What IS a trikona? And what is ACTUALLY a kendra? > > > > > > I am not asking for definitions. I am asking about the energy > > flows. > > > > > > What goes on in the trikonas and kendras from a graha? > > > Why are most yogas about these positions? > > > Why are 'neech bhanga' rules about these points from a graha? > > > > > > Not all grahas aspect their trikonas and kendras. Then why is it > > > still important to note what is in a trikona or kendra from a > graha? > > > > > > Hoping someone will note this email and reply. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nandini. > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rishiji, > > > > Very true. Especially the present atmospere vitiated with > hatred, > > > > clashes of will and ill will always puts me off. Having been in > > > > close contact with strife, dishonesty, anger, viciousness and > > > lies - > > > > enough (for me) to last, this journey of the soul - I prefer > to > > > > remain switched off- in my own *island* in insulation mode. > > > > You are right - I prefer to remain in the kindergarten for ever > > > with > > > > our Ma. > > > > Nalini > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Naliniji, > > > > > Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the > > > younger > > > > > siblings out of the kindergarten. > > > > > I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the > > > > > kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather > > > remain > > > > at > > > > > the beginning! > > > > > regards > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi ji, > > > > > > Ha I did begin right!!!! > > > > > > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > > > > > > Nalini > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be > > demonstrated > > > > and > > > > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish > a > > > > > > guiding > > > > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of > life. > > > > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of > *fine* > > > and > > > > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > > > > > necessarily > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed > > > that > > > > for > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have > > > been > > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the > > > betterment > > > > of > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for > final > > > > > > > salvation, > > > > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us > > > > rejoice > > > > > in > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let > > that > > > > not > > > > > > be > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I > should > > > > have > > > > > > > spelt > > > > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! > > Do > > > > we > > > > > > > expect > > > > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the > visual > > > > > > > arrangement > > > > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your > birth > > > > and > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they > show > > > up > > > > in > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! > > > Particularly > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a > panchaang > > > or > > > > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by > > > arudha > > > > > and > > > > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized > > that > > > > > > concept > > > > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas > > in > > > > > > > navamshas > > > > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you > critically > > > > look > > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) > or > > > > many > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in > > > silicon, > > > > I > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, > for > > > > chara > > > > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates > ashtakavarga > > > for > > > > > > > vargas! > > > > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that > > > without > > > > any > > > > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up > > > time! > > > > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the > > > > software -- > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff > here > > > if > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 That is twice you have woved me in this week, ranjanda. I should be getting scared, I suppose.... , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Wow! > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > All creation is a union of the twin energies in the universe. Or > what > > we could sum up as the yin and yang, the mother and father. In > > jyotish symbols while Sun, the source of all energy and > representing > > fire is the father; Moon is the mother representing the quenching > of > > fire by water to bring about the creation of all life. > > The Kendras and Trikona may represent the contribution of the > > energies flowing from the father's side and the Mother's side. > > The trikonas represent the energy flowing from Sun to the chart > > beginning with the duty or dharma trikona. Closer to life, its the > > father's task to instill a sense of duty in the children, a crude > > parallal not trying to to gender stereotypes. > > The kendras represent the energy flowing from the Mother, Moon. > That > > is why the Vishnu/ Laxmi symbolism drawn in Jyotish. > > The stronger the connections between the Kendra and the Trikona, > the > > smoother the energy flows in an individual life........ > > rishi > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Somewhere in an article written earlier, if memory holds true, > > > kendras somehow connected better with spaces and > > > circumstances/situations/surroundings, while trikonas did with > > > people. Physics interacting with Biology/sociology perhaps! Then > > > there is the Lakshmi-Vishnu aspect about DK yogas, as has been > > > written by many jyotishis. > > > > > > Simplistic perhaps but it is a start! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Writing this message emboldened by the > > > > words 'Basics', 'Beginners', 'Kindergarten' in the header and > > body > > > > of this thread. Though the content of the posts makes it clear > > that > > > > the basics are the basics of the post-doctoral courses! > > > > > > > > But my kindergarten beginners' question is about 'trikonas' > > > > and 'kendras'. Something that has been on my mind for a long > time > > > > now, and this, perhaps, is a time for expression ...... > > > > > > > > What IS a trikona? And what is ACTUALLY a kendra? > > > > > > > > I am not asking for definitions. I am asking about the energy > > > flows. > > > > > > > > What goes on in the trikonas and kendras from a graha? > > > > Why are most yogas about these positions? > > > > Why are 'neech bhanga' rules about these points from a graha? > > > > > > > > Not all grahas aspect their trikonas and kendras. Then why is > it > > > > still important to note what is in a trikona or kendra from a > > graha? > > > > > > > > Hoping someone will note this email and reply. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini. > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rishiji, > > > > > Very true. Especially the present atmospere vitiated with > > hatred, > > > > > clashes of will and ill will always puts me off. Having been > in > > > > > close contact with strife, dishonesty, anger, viciousness and > > > > lies - > > > > > enough (for me) to last, this journey of the soul - I prefer > > to > > > > > remain switched off- in my own *island* in insulation mode. > > > > > You are right - I prefer to remain in the kindergarten for > ever > > > > with > > > > > our Ma. > > > > > Nalini > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Naliniji, > > > > > > Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the > > > > younger > > > > > > siblings out of the kindergarten. > > > > > > I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the > > > > > > kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather > > > > remain > > > > > at > > > > > > the beginning! > > > > > > regards > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi ji, > > > > > > > Ha I did begin right!!!! > > > > > > > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > > > > > > > Nalini > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be > > > demonstrated > > > > > and > > > > > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes > Jyotish > > a > > > > > > > guiding > > > > > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of > > life. > > > > > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > pages" > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of > > *fine* > > > > and > > > > > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > > > > > > necessarily > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always > believed > > > > that > > > > > for > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the > > > > betterment > > > > > of > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for > > final > > > > > > > > salvation, > > > > > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us > > > > > rejoice > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let > > > that > > > > > not > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I > > should > > > > > have > > > > > > > > spelt > > > > > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are > beginners! > > > Do > > > > > we > > > > > > > > expect > > > > > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the > > visual > > > > > > > > arrangement > > > > > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your > > birth > > > > > and > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they > > show > > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! > > > > Particularly > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a > > panchaang > > > > or > > > > > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by > > > > arudha > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized > > > that > > > > > > > concept > > > > > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the > padas > > > in > > > > > > > > navamshas > > > > > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you > > critically > > > > > look > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) > > or > > > > > many > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in > > > > silicon, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, > > for > > > > > chara > > > > > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates > > ashtakavarga > > > > for > > > > > > > > vargas! > > > > > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that > > > > without > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take > up > > > > time! > > > > > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the > > > > > software -- > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax- writeoff > > here > > > > if > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 For one who is upholding and maintaining such an important portfolio as you are, Rishi, in such a difficult clime and environment (deshi, kaal and paristhiti!) it should be your <game of left hand: bayen haath ka khel>! Modesty does not really become you, Sir ,in these turbulent times, though I also KNOW why the patron Deity of Martians has been depicted as <humble> in North Indian Hindu Scriptures and why has been called Mangal = Shubh = Auspicious! , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > That is twice you have woved me in this week, ranjanda. I should be > getting scared, I suppose.... > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Wow! > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > All creation is a union of the twin energies in the universe. Or > > what > > > we could sum up as the yin and yang, the mother and father. In > > > jyotish symbols while Sun, the source of all energy and > > representing > > > fire is the father; Moon is the mother representing the quenching > > of > > > fire by water to bring about the creation of all life. > > > The Kendras and Trikona may represent the contribution of the > > > energies flowing from the father's side and the Mother's side. > > > The trikonas represent the energy flowing from Sun to the chart > > > beginning with the duty or dharma trikona. Closer to life, its > the > > > father's task to instill a sense of duty in the children, a crude > > > parallal not trying to to gender stereotypes. > > > The kendras represent the energy flowing from the Mother, Moon. > > That > > > is why the Vishnu/ Laxmi symbolism drawn in Jyotish. > > > The stronger the connections between the Kendra and the Trikona, > > the > > > smoother the energy flows in an individual life........ > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Somewhere in an article written earlier, if memory holds true, > > > > kendras somehow connected better with spaces and > > > > circumstances/situations/surroundings, while trikonas did with > > > > people. Physics interacting with Biology/sociology perhaps! > Then > > > > there is the Lakshmi-Vishnu aspect about DK yogas, as has been > > > > written by many jyotishis. > > > > > > > > Simplistic perhaps but it is a start! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "kakan_leo" > <kakan_leo@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Writing this message emboldened by the > > > > > words 'Basics', 'Beginners', 'Kindergarten' in the header and > > > body > > > > > of this thread. Though the content of the posts makes it > clear > > > that > > > > > the basics are the basics of the post-doctoral courses! > > > > > > > > > > But my kindergarten beginners' question is about 'trikonas' > > > > > and 'kendras'. Something that has been on my mind for a long > > time > > > > > now, and this, perhaps, is a time for expression ...... > > > > > > > > > > What IS a trikona? And what is ACTUALLY a kendra? > > > > > > > > > > I am not asking for definitions. I am asking about the energy > > > > flows. > > > > > > > > > > What goes on in the trikonas and kendras from a graha? > > > > > Why are most yogas about these positions? > > > > > Why are 'neech bhanga' rules about these points from a graha? > > > > > > > > > > Not all grahas aspect their trikonas and kendras. Then why is > > it > > > > > still important to note what is in a trikona or kendra from a > > > graha? > > > > > > > > > > Hoping someone will note this email and reply. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nandini. > > > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishiji, > > > > > > Very true. Especially the present atmospere vitiated with > > > hatred, > > > > > > clashes of will and ill will always puts me off. Having > been > > in > > > > > > close contact with strife, dishonesty, anger, viciousness > and > > > > > lies - > > > > > > enough (for me) to last, this journey of the soul - I > prefer > > > to > > > > > > remain switched off- in my own *island* in insulation mode. > > > > > > You are right - I prefer to remain in the kindergarten for > > ever > > > > > with > > > > > > our Ma. > > > > > > Nalini > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naliniji, > > > > > > > Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull > the > > > > > younger > > > > > > > siblings out of the kindergarten. > > > > > > > I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside > the > > > > > > > kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would > rather > > > > > remain > > > > > > at > > > > > > > the beginning! > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi ji, > > > > > > > > Ha I did begin right!!!! > > > > > > > > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > > > > > > > > Nalini > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be > > > > demonstrated > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes > > Jyotish > > > a > > > > > > > > guiding > > > > > > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose > of > > > life. > > > > > > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > > pages" > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of > > > *fine* > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha > [not > > > > > > > necessarily > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always > > believed > > > > > that > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the > > > > > betterment > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for > > > final > > > > > > > > > salvation, > > > > > > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let > us > > > > > > rejoice > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and > let > > > > that > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I > > > should > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > spelt > > > > > > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are > > beginners! > > > > Do > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > expect > > > > > > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the > > > visual > > > > > > > > > arrangement > > > > > > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your > > > birth > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they > > > show > > > > > up > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! > > > > > Particularly > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a > > > panchaang > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and > by > > > > > arudha > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have > mobilized > > > > that > > > > > > > > concept > > > > > > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the > > padas > > > > in > > > > > > > > > navamshas > > > > > > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you > > > critically > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to > version!) > > > or > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in > > > > > silicon, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of > paper, > > > for > > > > > > chara > > > > > > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates > > > ashtakavarga > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > vargas! > > > > > > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that > > > > > without > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take > > up > > > > > time! > > > > > > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the > > > > > > software -- > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax- > writeoff > > > here > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Thanks RR ji, Rishi ji for taking the pain to address my question. As I understand then, the trikonas and kendras are like a support system for the chart or the graha as the case may be. The support, however, could be experienced in various ways and not always as a 'good' experience. Would the 8th Lord in the 4th house, for example then, bring about the experience of a strict and restrictive mother or home atmosphere? The nativity may not view it as an ideal experience but it would perhaps be the characteristics built by these restrictions that would stand him in good stead later on in life? Regards, Nandini. , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > All creation is a union of the twin energies in the universe. Or what > we could sum up as the yin and yang, the mother and father. In > jyotish symbols while Sun, the source of all energy and representing > fire is the father; Moon is the mother representing the quenching of > fire by water to bring about the creation of all life. > The Kendras and Trikona may represent the contribution of the > energies flowing from the father's side and the Mother's side. > The trikonas represent the energy flowing from Sun to the chart > beginning with the duty or dharma trikona. Closer to life, its the > father's task to instill a sense of duty in the children, a crude > parallal not trying to to gender stereotypes. > The kendras represent the energy flowing from the Mother, Moon. That > is why the Vishnu/ Laxmi symbolism drawn in Jyotish. > The stronger the connections between the Kendra and the Trikona, the > smoother the energy flows in an individual life........ > rishi > > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Somewhere in an article written earlier, if memory holds true, > > kendras somehow connected better with spaces and > > circumstances/situations/surroundings, while trikonas did with > > people. Physics interacting with Biology/sociology perhaps! Then > > there is the Lakshmi-Vishnu aspect about DK yogas, as has been > > written by many jyotishis. > > > > Simplistic perhaps but it is a start! > > > > RR > > > > , "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Writing this message emboldened by the > > > words 'Basics', 'Beginners', 'Kindergarten' in the header and > body > > > of this thread. Though the content of the posts makes it clear > that > > > the basics are the basics of the post-doctoral courses! > > > > > > But my kindergarten beginners' question is about 'trikonas' > > > and 'kendras'. Something that has been on my mind for a long time > > > now, and this, perhaps, is a time for expression ...... > > > > > > What IS a trikona? And what is ACTUALLY a kendra? > > > > > > I am not asking for definitions. I am asking about the energy > > flows. > > > > > > What goes on in the trikonas and kendras from a graha? > > > Why are most yogas about these positions? > > > Why are 'neech bhanga' rules about these points from a graha? > > > > > > Not all grahas aspect their trikonas and kendras. Then why is it > > > still important to note what is in a trikona or kendra from a > graha? > > > > > > Hoping someone will note this email and reply. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nandini. > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rishiji, > > > > Very true. Especially the present atmospere vitiated with > hatred, > > > > clashes of will and ill will always puts me off. Having been in > > > > close contact with strife, dishonesty, anger, viciousness and > > > lies - > > > > enough (for me) to last, this journey of the soul - I prefer > to > > > > remain switched off- in my own *island* in insulation mode. > > > > You are right - I prefer to remain in the kindergarten for ever > > > with > > > > our Ma. > > > > Nalini > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Naliniji, > > > > > Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the > > > younger > > > > > siblings out of the kindergarten. > > > > > I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the > > > > > kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather > > > remain > > > > at > > > > > the beginning! > > > > > regards > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi ji, > > > > > > Ha I did begin right!!!! > > > > > > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > > > > > > Nalini > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be > > demonstrated > > > > and > > > > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish > a > > > > > > guiding > > > > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of > life. > > > > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of > *fine* > > > and > > > > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > > > > > necessarily > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed > > > that > > > > for > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have > > > been > > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the > > > betterment > > > > of > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for > final > > > > > > > salvation, > > > > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us > > > > rejoice > > > > > in > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let > > that > > > > not > > > > > > be > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I > should > > > > have > > > > > > > spelt > > > > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! > > Do > > > > we > > > > > > > expect > > > > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the > visual > > > > > > > arrangement > > > > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your > birth > > > > and > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they > show > > > up > > > > in > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! > > > Particularly > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a > panchaang > > > or > > > > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by > > > arudha > > > > > and > > > > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized > > that > > > > > > concept > > > > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas > > in > > > > > > > navamshas > > > > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you > critically > > > > look > > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) > or > > > > many > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in > > > silicon, > > > > I > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, > for > > > > chara > > > > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates > ashtakavarga > > > for > > > > > > > vargas! > > > > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that > > > without > > > > any > > > > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up > > > time! > > > > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the > > > > software -- > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff > here > > > if > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Nandini ji, Thanks for your kind words and sentiments in this and another thread that you wrote on. However, I wish you had written what your answer/perception/solution would be for what you asked (the 8th house etc.) I personally do not think of the trikonas or kendras as 'support' systems as you had described. They are like mailing address! One does not live in the letters and numbers that a mailing address represents but one does live in the house that those letters and numbers represent. Makes sense? RR , "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo wrote: > > Thanks RR ji, Rishi ji for taking the pain to address my question. > > As I understand then, the trikonas and kendras are like a support > system for the chart or the graha as the case may be. > > The support, however, could be experienced in various ways and not > always as a 'good' experience. > > Would the 8th Lord in the 4th house, for example then, bring about > the experience of a strict and restrictive mother or home > atmosphere? The nativity may not view it as an ideal experience but > it would perhaps be the characteristics built by these restrictions > that would stand him in good stead later on in life? > > Regards, > Nandini. > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > All creation is a union of the twin energies in the universe. Or > what > > we could sum up as the yin and yang, the mother and father. In > > jyotish symbols while Sun, the source of all energy and > representing > > fire is the father; Moon is the mother representing the quenching > of > > fire by water to bring about the creation of all life. > > The Kendras and Trikona may represent the contribution of the > > energies flowing from the father's side and the Mother's side. > > The trikonas represent the energy flowing from Sun to the chart > > beginning with the duty or dharma trikona. Closer to life, its the > > father's task to instill a sense of duty in the children, a crude > > parallal not trying to to gender stereotypes. > > The kendras represent the energy flowing from the Mother, Moon. > That > > is why the Vishnu/ Laxmi symbolism drawn in Jyotish. > > The stronger the connections between the Kendra and the Trikona, > the > > smoother the energy flows in an individual life........ > > rishi > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Somewhere in an article written earlier, if memory holds true, > > > kendras somehow connected better with spaces and > > > circumstances/situations/surroundings, while trikonas did with > > > people. Physics interacting with Biology/sociology perhaps! Then > > > there is the Lakshmi-Vishnu aspect about DK yogas, as has been > > > written by many jyotishis. > > > > > > Simplistic perhaps but it is a start! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "kakan_leo" > <kakan_leo@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Writing this message emboldened by the > > > > words 'Basics', 'Beginners', 'Kindergarten' in the header and > > body > > > > of this thread. Though the content of the posts makes it clear > > that > > > > the basics are the basics of the post-doctoral courses! > > > > > > > > But my kindergarten beginners' question is about 'trikonas' > > > > and 'kendras'. Something that has been on my mind for a long > time > > > > now, and this, perhaps, is a time for expression ...... > > > > > > > > What IS a trikona? And what is ACTUALLY a kendra? > > > > > > > > I am not asking for definitions. I am asking about the energy > > > flows. > > > > > > > > What goes on in the trikonas and kendras from a graha? > > > > Why are most yogas about these positions? > > > > Why are 'neech bhanga' rules about these points from a graha? > > > > > > > > Not all grahas aspect their trikonas and kendras. Then why is > it > > > > still important to note what is in a trikona or kendra from a > > graha? > > > > > > > > Hoping someone will note this email and reply. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini. > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rishiji, > > > > > Very true. Especially the present atmospere vitiated with > > hatred, > > > > > clashes of will and ill will always puts me off. Having been > in > > > > > close contact with strife, dishonesty, anger, viciousness > and > > > > lies - > > > > > enough (for me) to last, this journey of the soul - I > prefer > > to > > > > > remain switched off- in my own *island* in insulation mode. > > > > > You are right - I prefer to remain in the kindergarten for > ever > > > > with > > > > > our Ma. > > > > > Nalini > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Naliniji, > > > > > > Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the > > > > younger > > > > > > siblings out of the kindergarten. > > > > > > I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the > > > > > > kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather > > > > remain > > > > > at > > > > > > the beginning! > > > > > > regards > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi ji, > > > > > > > Ha I did begin right!!!! > > > > > > > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > > > > > > > Nalini > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be > > > demonstrated > > > > > and > > > > > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes > Jyotish > > a > > > > > > > guiding > > > > > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of > > life. > > > > > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > pages" > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of > > *fine* > > > > and > > > > > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > > > > > > necessarily > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always > believed > > > > that > > > > > for > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the > > > > betterment > > > > > of > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for > > final > > > > > > > > salvation, > > > > > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let > us > > > > > rejoice > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and > let > > > that > > > > > not > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I > > should > > > > > have > > > > > > > > spelt > > > > > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are > beginners! > > > Do > > > > > we > > > > > > > > expect > > > > > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the > > visual > > > > > > > > arrangement > > > > > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your > > birth > > > > > and > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they > > show > > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! > > > > Particularly > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a > > panchaang > > > > or > > > > > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and > by > > > > arudha > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have > mobilized > > > that > > > > > > > concept > > > > > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the > padas > > > in > > > > > > > > navamshas > > > > > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you > > critically > > > > > look > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to > version!) > > or > > > > > many > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in > > > > silicon, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of > paper, > > for > > > > > chara > > > > > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates > > ashtakavarga > > > > for > > > > > > > > vargas! > > > > > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that > > > > without > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take > up > > > > time! > > > > > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the > > > > > software -- > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax- writeoff > > here > > > > if > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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