Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not necessarily on this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that for most of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been called at times!] -- there is hope! Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of our learning as we go through life, and not so much for final salvation, here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice in that and begin our learning from there. There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not be the deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have spelt that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we expect to know all, at this stage? Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual arrangement if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and would see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in your janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly if you lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or ephemeris, if you were a day birth! And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha and padas and ashtakavarga! Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that concept through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in navamshas and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look at the chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many other parameters -- there is something wrong! If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I still have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for chara dasha, how is the software really helping me? It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for vargas! But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without any tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software -- and I am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if anyone must want to know! Quality control issues, eh? RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated and understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a guiding tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. ( A beginner's reply) Rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not necessarily on > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that for most > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been called > at times!] -- there is hope! > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of our > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final salvation, > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice in that > and begin our learning from there. > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not be the > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have spelt > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we expect > to know all, at this stage? > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual arrangement > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and would > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in your > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly if you > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha and > padas and ashtakavarga! > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that concept > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in navamshas > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look at the > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many other > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I still > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for chara > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for vargas! > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without any > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software -- and I > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if anyone > must want to know! > > Quality control issues, eh? > > RR > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Dear compadre (am a beginner here as well!) Rashi is not intermediate but the BEGINNING! I do not remember those days, actually never had those (?) but I think when children go to kindergarten or daycare -- that is the mindset we must be when coming to astrology! Maybe I am talking about KG amongst would be Ph.Ds Pardonnez moi, mes amis! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated and > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a guiding > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > ( A beginner's reply) > Rishi > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not necessarily > on > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that for > most > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > called > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of our > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > salvation, > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice in > that > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not be > the > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have > spelt > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we > expect > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > arrangement > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and > would > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in > your > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly if > you > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha and > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that concept > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > navamshas > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look at > the > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many > other > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I > still > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for chara > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > vargas! > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without any > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software -- > and I > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > anyone > > must want to know! > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > RR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Ranjanda, My mistake in using the word, not "intermediate" as in having done schooling to reach there, but intermediate as neither too close a picyure to be a micro picture needing a magnifying glance, nor too far to be classified as a sweeping broad macro picture. A picture being viewed in middle distance. It can be seen, visually...can be understood. That is why, perhaps, Jyotish began with rashis. Am not even a beginner in french. rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear compadre (am a beginner here as well!) > > Rashi is not intermediate but the BEGINNING! > > I do not remember those days, actually never had those (?) but I > think when children go to kindergarten or daycare -- that is the > mindset we must be when coming to astrology! > > Maybe I am talking about KG amongst would be Ph.Ds > > Pardonnez moi, mes amis! > > RR > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated and > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a guiding > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > ( A beginner's reply) > > Rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not necessarily > > on > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that for > > most > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > called > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of > our > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > salvation, > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice in > > that > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not be > > the > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have > > spelt > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we > > expect > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > arrangement > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and > > would > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in > > your > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly if > > you > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha and > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > concept > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > navamshas > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look at > > the > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many > > other > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I > > still > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for chara > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > vargas! > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without any > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software -- > > and I > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > anyone > > > must want to know! > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 And why does rashi begin where it does? Always these elementary questions, but then better to begin at th beginning..... , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear compadre (am a beginner here as well!) > > Rashi is not intermediate but the BEGINNING! > > I do not remember those days, actually never had those (?) but I > think when children go to kindergarten or daycare -- that is the > mindset we must be when coming to astrology! > > Maybe I am talking about KG amongst would be Ph.Ds > > Pardonnez moi, mes amis! > > RR > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated and > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a guiding > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > ( A beginner's reply) > > Rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not necessarily > > on > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that for > > most > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > called > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of > our > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > salvation, > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice in > > that > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not be > > the > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have > > spelt > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we > > expect > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > arrangement > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and > > would > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in > > your > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly if > > you > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha and > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > concept > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > navamshas > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look at > > the > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many > > other > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I > > still > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for chara > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > vargas! > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without any > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software -- > > and I > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > anyone > > > must want to know! > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Dear Teacher! Where does rashi begin? If convention be followed, then it begins at ashwini 0 aries 0 If the nadi (rectification thing or Rao) is followed then it begins at krittika 0. There must be many other beginnings, Rishi. Let us not wait for someone to tell us definitively where we begin -- let us just begin! At Aries zero of our choosing! RR <Shakespeare had nothing to do with with astrology as far as I know but it is better than being called Fidel Indira, I suppose! Oh how I miss India!!> , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > And why does rashi begin where it does? > Always these elementary questions, but then better to begin at th > beginning..... > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear compadre (am a beginner here as well!) > > > > Rashi is not intermediate but the BEGINNING! > > > > I do not remember those days, actually never had those (?) but I > > think when children go to kindergarten or daycare -- that is the > > mindset we must be when coming to astrology! > > > > Maybe I am talking about KG amongst would be Ph.Ds > > > > Pardonnez moi, mes amis! > > > > RR > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated and > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > guiding > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > necessarily > > > on > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that > for > > > most > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > > called > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of > > our > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > > salvation, > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice > in > > > that > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not > be > > > the > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have > > > spelt > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we > > > expect > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > > arrangement > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and > > > would > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in > > > your > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly > if > > > you > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha > and > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > > concept > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > > navamshas > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look > at > > > the > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many > > > other > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I > > > still > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for > chara > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > > vargas! > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without > any > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software - - > > > > and I > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > > anyone > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 In the many messages floating on this cyberspace, my message on the rashi picture got lost. My mistake in using the phrase "rashi is an intermediate picture". Actually I was referring to the picture as a visual and not the level of rashi. The rashi something visible, neither a micro picture nor a macro or the big picture. A visual most easily comprehended right from the stargazing days.... rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear compadre (am a beginner here as well!) > > Rashi is not intermediate but the BEGINNING! > > I do not remember those days, actually never had those (?) but I > think when children go to kindergarten or daycare -- that is the > mindset we must be when coming to astrology! > > Maybe I am talking about KG amongst would be Ph.Ds > > Pardonnez moi, mes amis! > > RR > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated and > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a guiding > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > ( A beginner's reply) > > Rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not necessarily > > on > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that for > > most > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > called > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of > our > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > salvation, > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice in > > that > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not be > > the > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have > > spelt > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we > > expect > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > arrangement > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and > > would > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in > > your > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly if > > you > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha and > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > concept > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > navamshas > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look at > > the > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many > > other > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I > > still > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for chara > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > vargas! > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without any > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software -- > > and I > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > anyone > > > must want to know! > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 And, dada, the zero needs to be established in the circle. 0 Aries..right...but where is Zero Aries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 If rashi is an intermediate picture ... where did it all begin? , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > In the many messages floating on this cyberspace, my message on the > rashi picture got lost. > My mistake in using the phrase "rashi is an intermediate picture". > Actually I was referring to the picture as a visual and not the > level of rashi. > The rashi something visible, neither a micro picture nor a macro or > the big picture. A visual most easily comprehended right from the > stargazing days.... > > rishi > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear compadre (am a beginner here as well!) > > > > Rashi is not intermediate but the BEGINNING! > > > > I do not remember those days, actually never had those (?) but I > > think when children go to kindergarten or daycare -- that is the > > mindset we must be when coming to astrology! > > > > Maybe I am talking about KG amongst would be Ph.Ds > > > > Pardonnez moi, mes amis! > > > > RR > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated and > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > guiding > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > necessarily > > > on > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that > for > > > most > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > > called > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of > > our > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > > salvation, > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice > in > > > that > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not > be > > > the > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have > > > spelt > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we > > > expect > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > > arrangement > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and > > > would > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in > > > your > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly > if > > > you > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha > and > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > > concept > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > > navamshas > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look > at > > > the > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many > > > other > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I > > > still > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for > chara > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > > vargas! > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without > any > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software - - > > > > and I > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > > anyone > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 If rashi is an intermediate picture ... where did it all begin? , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > In the many messages floating on this cyberspace, my message on the > rashi picture got lost. > My mistake in using the phrase "rashi is an intermediate picture". > Actually I was referring to the picture as a visual and not the > level of rashi. > The rashi something visible, neither a micro picture nor a macro or > the big picture. A visual most easily comprehended right from the > stargazing days.... > > rishi > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear compadre (am a beginner here as well!) > > > > Rashi is not intermediate but the BEGINNING! > > > > I do not remember those days, actually never had those (?) but I > > think when children go to kindergarten or daycare -- that is the > > mindset we must be when coming to astrology! > > > > Maybe I am talking about KG amongst would be Ph.Ds > > > > Pardonnez moi, mes amis! > > > > RR > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated and > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > guiding > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > necessarily > > > on > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that > for > > > most > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > > called > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of > > our > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > > salvation, > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice > in > > > that > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not > be > > > the > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have > > > spelt > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we > > > expect > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > > arrangement > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and > > > would > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in > > > your > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly > if > > > you > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha > and > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > > concept > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > > navamshas > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look > at > > > the > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many > > > other > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I > > > still > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for > chara > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > > vargas! > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without > any > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software - - > > > > and I > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > > anyone > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > And, dada, the zero needs to be established in the circle. > 0 Aries..right...but where is Zero Aries? > >From what I have seen, Rishiji, since 1970s -- wherever you place it! Some have stomped their foot harder than others! Though weaker in placing and NOISE, for a variety of reasons other alternatives do exist! RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > And, dada, the zero needs to be established in the circle. > 0 Aries..right...but where is Zero Aries? > >From what I have seen, Rishiji, since 1970s -- wherever you place it! Some have stomped their foot harder than others! Though weaker in placing and NOISE, for a variety of reasons other alternatives do exist! RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 In my kindergarten opinion, it begins in the alignment of the Jyotish grahas in the sky. The angles and te distances, of which our tropical brethren so fond of and our Nadi supporters so enamoured of. But can we decipher the complexities, not really. So we need to understand something with which we can relate with and form symbols of. Look up in the skies and the patterns visible! Bingo..this is what I can relate with for I can see it. I classify then these rashis, and begin! The broader picture then fitting in my concepts allowing me to formulate axioms , observe patterns and start theorising. I say Sun is father and Moon the mother.....and so on. The micro picture so very complex, like I can understand that this is a human being, this is a cat, this is a bird. If I look at the cells microscopically, I see something different. When I look at the broader picture of life, I find something different. But a human being I can relate to. The starting point of my understanding of life? regards rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > If rashi is an intermediate picture ... where did it all begin? > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > In the many messages floating on this cyberspace, my message on the > > rashi picture got lost. > > My mistake in using the phrase "rashi is an intermediate picture". > > Actually I was referring to the picture as a visual and not the > > level of rashi. > > The rashi something visible, neither a micro picture nor a macro or > > the big picture. A visual most easily comprehended right from the > > stargazing days.... > > > > rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear compadre (am a beginner here as well!) > > > > > > Rashi is not intermediate but the BEGINNING! > > > > > > I do not remember those days, actually never had those (?) but I > > > think when children go to kindergarten or daycare -- that is the > > > mindset we must be when coming to astrology! > > > > > > Maybe I am talking about KG amongst would be Ph.Ds > > > > > > Pardonnez moi, mes amis! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated > and > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > > guiding > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > > necessarily > > > > on > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that > > for > > > > most > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > > > called > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment > of > > > our > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > > > salvation, > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice > > in > > > > that > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that > not > > be > > > > the > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have > > > > spelt > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we > > > > expect > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > > > arrangement > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and > > > > would > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up > in > > > > your > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly > > if > > > > you > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha > > and > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > > > concept > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > > > navamshas > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically > look > > at > > > > the > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many > > > > other > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I > > > > still > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for > > chara > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > > > vargas! > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without > > any > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software - > - > > > > > > and I > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > > > anyone > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 But why shouldnot the Zero be clear, why should it be an individual choice? Afterall, the Sun is there up in the skies and moving through the ecliptic for ages and creating days and nights. Creating months with moon..... All those variety of reasons, ranjanda, are again personal, scriptural arent they? Why do we accept that 50.279 arcseconds per year is the change? Because it has been empirically measued by Simon Newcombe. This year change is there to measure. Again, you can successfully predict with different zeroes as the tropical astrologers do too. Is it just the noise level, if so then it is chaos as we see it in this group for last few months. regards rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > And, dada, the zero needs to be established in the circle. > > 0 Aries..right...but where is Zero Aries? > > > > From what I have seen, Rishiji, since 1970s -- wherever you place it! > > Some have stomped their foot harder than others! > > Though weaker in placing and NOISE, for a variety of reasons other > alternatives do exist! > > RR > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 My! You must be really ambitious! This is your kindergarten score? Wow!! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > In my kindergarten opinion, it begins in the alignment of the > Jyotish grahas in the sky. The angles and te distances, of which our > tropical brethren so fond of and our Nadi supporters so enamoured of. > But can we decipher the complexities, not really. So we need to > understand something with which we can relate with and form symbols > of. Look up in the skies and the patterns visible! > Bingo..this is what I can relate with for I can see it. I classify > then these rashis, and begin! > The broader picture then fitting in my concepts allowing me to > formulate axioms , observe patterns and start theorising. I say Sun > is father and Moon the mother.....and so on. > The micro picture so very complex, like I can understand that this > is a human being, this is a cat, this is a bird. If I look at the > cells microscopically, I see something different. > When I look at the broader picture of life, I find something > different. But a human being I can relate to. The starting point of > my understanding of life? > regards > > rishi > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > If rashi is an intermediate picture ... where did it all begin? > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > In the many messages floating on this cyberspace, my message on > the > > > rashi picture got lost. > > > My mistake in using the phrase "rashi is an intermediate > picture". > > > Actually I was referring to the picture as a visual and not the > > > level of rashi. > > > The rashi something visible, neither a micro picture nor a macro > or > > > the big picture. A visual most easily comprehended right from > the > > > stargazing days.... > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear compadre (am a beginner here as well!) > > > > > > > > Rashi is not intermediate but the BEGINNING! > > > > > > > > I do not remember those days, actually never had those (?) but > I > > > > think when children go to kindergarten or daycare -- that is > the > > > > mindset we must be when coming to astrology! > > > > > > > > Maybe I am talking about KG amongst would be Ph.Ds > > > > > > > > Pardonnez moi, mes amis! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated > > and > > > > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > > > guiding > > > > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > > > > ( A beginner's reply) > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* > and > > > > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not > > > necessarily > > > > > on > > > > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed > that > > > for > > > > > most > > > > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have > been > > > > > called > > > > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the > betterment > > of > > > > our > > > > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > > > > salvation, > > > > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us > rejoice > > > in > > > > > that > > > > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that > > not > > > be > > > > > the > > > > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should > have > > > > > spelt > > > > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do > we > > > > > expect > > > > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > > > > arrangement > > > > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth > and > > > > > would > > > > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show > up > > in > > > > > your > > > > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! > Particularly > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang > or > > > > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by > arudha > > > and > > > > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > > > > concept > > > > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > > > > navamshas > > > > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically > > look > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or > many > > > > > other > > > > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in > silicon, I > > > > > still > > > > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for > > > chara > > > > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga > for > > > > > vargas! > > > > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that > without > > > any > > > > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up > time! > > > > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the > software - > > - > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here > if > > > > > anyone > > > > > > must want to know! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 We await the answer, Sir! Do you have one?? Please share! RR rr, "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > But why shouldnot the Zero be clear, why should it be an individual > choice? > Afterall, the Sun is there up in the skies and moving through the > ecliptic for ages and creating days and nights. Creating months with > moon..... > All those variety of reasons, ranjanda, are again personal, > scriptural arent they? > Why do we accept that 50.279 arcseconds per year is the change? > Because it has been empirically measued by Simon Newcombe. This year > change is there to measure. > Again, you can successfully predict with different zeroes as the > tropical astrologers do too. > Is it just the noise level, if so then it is chaos as we see it in > this group for last few months. > regards > rishi > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > And, dada, the zero needs to be established in the circle. > > > 0 Aries..right...but where is Zero Aries? > > > > > > > From what I have seen, Rishiji, since 1970s -- wherever you place > it! > > > > Some have stomped their foot harder than others! > > > > Though weaker in placing and NOISE, for a variety of reasons other > > alternatives do exist! > > > > RR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Me ambitious? Then what would I be doing here with these esoteric thoughts which will not even be considered as linked to Jyotish ... Please bless me that I always remain in the kindergarten for Ma is closer there. rishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Ranjanda, How will I get answers. I have the path though which may lead someone to the answer. Sun creates endless cycles, have posted it earlier here, let me look at the message number and report in due course. My suggestion is look at the cycles created by Guru and Sun. It is not a coincidence that Sun> moon and Jupiter have such a prominence in Jyotish. While Sun and moon create "natural" months; similarly sun and Guru create "natural" years. This is what is showing a visible demonstratble measurement of ayanamsha....... It is a long hypothesis but then if simple answers are needed then one has to wade through difficult concepts. Duty calls me and the night deepens across the world at your end, if my answer is still needed will begin again later.... rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > We await the answer, Sir! > Do you have one?? > Please share! > > RR > > > rr, "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > But why shouldnot the Zero be clear, why should it be an individual > > choice? > > Afterall, the Sun is there up in the skies and moving through the > > ecliptic for ages and creating days and nights. Creating months > with > > moon..... > > All those variety of reasons, ranjanda, are again personal, > > scriptural arent they? > > Why do we accept that 50.279 arcseconds per year is the change? > > Because it has been empirically measued by Simon Newcombe. This > year > > change is there to measure. > > Again, you can successfully predict with different zeroes as the > > tropical astrologers do too. > > Is it just the noise level, if so then it is chaos as we see it in > > this group for last few months. > > regards > > rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > And, dada, the zero needs to be established in the circle. > > > > 0 Aries..right...but where is Zero Aries? > > > > > > > > > > From what I have seen, Rishiji, since 1970s -- wherever you place > > it! > > > > > > Some have stomped their foot harder than others! > > > > > > Though weaker in placing and NOISE, for a variety of reasons > other > > > alternatives do exist! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Rishi ji, Ha I did begin right!!!! (Sorry for the much hated one liners) Nalini , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated and > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a guiding > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > ( A beginner's reply) > Rishi > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not necessarily > on > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that for > most > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > called > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of our > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > salvation, > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice in > that > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not be > the > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have > spelt > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we > expect > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > arrangement > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and > would > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in > your > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly if > you > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha and > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that concept > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > navamshas > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look at > the > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many > other > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I > still > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for chara > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > vargas! > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without any > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software -- > and I > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > anyone > > must want to know! > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > RR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Rishi, All very good questions,as you who have studied the area well know. Regarding the annual rate of precession, many years ago I had an opportunity to interact briefly with a scientist in Japan who indicated that this term has been studied by astrophysicists. I will see if I can dig out his email for details. Yes, evidently reasoning would indicate that there must be a zero aries. That is not debatable at all. It is not even a moving duck either (fixed nirayana zodiac). Paradoxically, the seasonal, movable, tropical zodiac the moving duck is easier to define (apparently equinoxes are easier to measure and determine). The nirayana zodiac from what they tell me does not have good markers at aries 0 and therefore must rely on fixed stars such as chitra and revati. The two, it seems give different values for aries zero, hence the ayanamsha conundrum. Jyotishis have generally (strongly) stated that the validity of a given ayanamsha is easily proven or demonstrated by successful predictions and good concordances between divisional chart and the actual unfolding of traits or events in the nativity's life. Again, on the surface this would make sense but consider this: The best predictor's score would be less than 100% with the probability for any given instance of prediction potentially lower (and it could be the time when it was used to validate ayanamsha in a test situation, let us say), secondly, astrological correlates themselves are not absolute. Different people see different meanings in the same astrological patterns. To further complicate the situation, the same pattern does not necessarily translate into the same effect each time (reproducibility is not very high). Lastly, astrologers in general do not approach astrology in the mindset of an experimenter, a tester and hence do not have very well documented records of their predictions and other astrological testing. So there are two things running here. One is the irrefutable fact that there must be a one and only zero aries. The other is that despite having determined a one and only zero aries (ayanamsha), serious astrologers are performing reasonably decently, at least to their satisfaction from what we see and hear in this list and elsewhere. Finding the true and precise zero aries then becomes an individual exercise, an individual quest and not so much as something that will significantly improve the astrologer's performance or astrology's performance, if you will allow that. This is not to say that one must, if so inclined, leave their quest for zero aries as long as they realize that we are perhaps already at the point of diminishing returns, pragmatically speaking. RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > But why shouldnot the Zero be clear, why should it be an individual > choice? > Afterall, the Sun is there up in the skies and moving through the > ecliptic for ages and creating days and nights. Creating months with > moon..... > All those variety of reasons, ranjanda, are again personal, > scriptural arent they? > Why do we accept that 50.279 arcseconds per year is the change? > Because it has been empirically measued by Simon Newcombe. This year > change is there to measure. > Again, you can successfully predict with different zeroes as the > tropical astrologers do too. > Is it just the noise level, if so then it is chaos as we see it in > this group for last few months. > regards > rishi > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > And, dada, the zero needs to be established in the circle. > > > 0 Aries..right...but where is Zero Aries? > > > > > > > From what I have seen, Rishiji, since 1970s -- wherever you place > it! > > > > Some have stomped their foot harder than others! > > > > Though weaker in placing and NOISE, for a variety of reasons other > > alternatives do exist! > > > > RR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Rishi, I have read your earlier email about ayanamshas. Like I said earlier, it was fascinating, as are your other posts. When I said 'ambitious' what I meant was that you were underestimating yourself considerably and setting too ambitious a standard for KG :-) RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Ranjanda, > > How will I get answers. > I have the path though which may lead someone to the answer. > Sun creates endless cycles, have posted it earlier here, let me look > at the message number and report in due course. > My suggestion is look at the cycles created by Guru and Sun. It is > not a coincidence that Sun> moon and Jupiter have such a prominence > in Jyotish. While Sun and moon create "natural" months; similarly > sun and Guru create "natural" years. > This is what is showing a visible demonstratble measurement of > ayanamsha....... > It is a long hypothesis but then if simple answers are needed then > one has to wade through difficult concepts. > Duty calls me and the night deepens across the world at your end, if > my answer is still needed will begin again later.... > rishi > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > We await the answer, Sir! > > Do you have one?? > > Please share! > > > > RR > > > > > > rr, "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > But why shouldnot the Zero be clear, why should it be an > individual > > > choice? > > > Afterall, the Sun is there up in the skies and moving through > the > > > ecliptic for ages and creating days and nights. Creating months > > with > > > moon..... > > > All those variety of reasons, ranjanda, are again personal, > > > scriptural arent they? > > > Why do we accept that 50.279 arcseconds per year is the change? > > > Because it has been empirically measued by Simon Newcombe. This > > year > > > change is there to measure. > > > Again, you can successfully predict with different zeroes as the > > > tropical astrologers do too. > > > Is it just the noise level, if so then it is chaos as we see it > in > > > this group for last few months. > > > regards > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And, dada, the zero needs to be established in the circle. > > > > > 0 Aries..right...but where is Zero Aries? > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I have seen, Rishiji, since 1970s -- wherever you > place > > > it! > > > > > > > > Some have stomped their foot harder than others! > > > > > > > > Though weaker in placing and NOISE, for a variety of reasons > > other > > > > alternatives do exist! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Naliniji, Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the younger siblings out of the kindergarten. I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather remain at the beginning! regards rishi , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > Rishi ji, > Ha I did begin right!!!! > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > Nalini > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated and > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > guiding > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > ( A beginner's reply) > > Rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not necessarily > > on > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that for > > most > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > called > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of > our > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > salvation, > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice in > > that > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not > be > > the > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have > > spelt > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we > > expect > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > arrangement > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and > > would > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in > > your > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly if > > you > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha and > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > concept > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > navamshas > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look > at > > the > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many > > other > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I > > still > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for chara > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > vargas! > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without any > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software -- > > and I > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > anyone > > > must want to know! > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Naliniji, Don't you think the Elder brother always tries to pull the younger siblings out of the kindergarten. I think so, but it can be a conspiracy too for outside the kindergarten the world is bad and difficult.I would rather remain at the beginning! regards rishi , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > Rishi ji, > Ha I did begin right!!!! > (Sorry for the much hated one liners) > Nalini > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > The Rashi is an intermediate picture. It can be demonstrated and > > understood. It is there to help in case one likes Jyotish a > guiding > > tool for indication a general direction and purpose of life. > > ( A beginner's reply) > > Rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Over the years, decades (?) much has been made of *fine* and > > > **sophisticated** techniques involving navamsha [not necessarily > > on > > > this relatively pure forum] but I have always believed that for > > most > > > of us unguided, guruless [the great unwashed as we have been > > called > > > at times!] -- there is hope! > > > > > > Since we are (I hope?) into jyotish just for the betterment of > our > > > learning as we go through life, and not so much for final > > salvation, > > > here and now (!) -- the pressure is way lower! Let us rejoice in > > that > > > and begin our learning from there. > > > > > > There is much to be learned from Rashi chart, and let that not > be > > the > > > deterrant, no matter who is telling you (Sorry, I should have > > spelt > > > that WHO!) or whose Book you are reading! > > > > > > Rashi will not tell you anything, but we are beginners! Do we > > expect > > > to know all, at this stage? > > > > > > Rashi in jyotish has the basic configuration, the visual > > arrangement > > > if we were to look at the sky at the moment of your birth and > > would > > > see many planets lined up with the rashis that they show up in > > your > > > janma kundali! Provided you were born at night! Particularly if > > you > > > lacked imagination or faculty of visualizing a panchaang or > > > ephemeris, if you were a day birth! > > > > > > And Rashi has been buttressed by bhavat bhavam and by arudha and > > > padas and ashtakavarga! > > > > > > Modern software and jyotish-scientists have mobilized that > concept > > > through rocket-age software that provides you the padas in > > navamshas > > > and so on, but falls flat on its face when you critically look > at > > the > > > chara dasha calculation or hora (subject to version!) or many > > other > > > parameters -- there is something wrong! > > > > > > If after spending thousands of Rupees on a maya in silicon, I > > still > > > have to scribble the calculation on a piece of paper, for chara > > > dasha, how is the software really helping me? > > > > > > It has scores of dashas and even calculates ashtakavarga for > > vargas! > > > But it does not calculate a simple chara dasha that without any > > > tables a simpleton like me can, though it does take up time! > > > The very thing I hoped to save when I purchased the software -- > > and I > > > am not even a professional. There is no tax-writeoff here if > > anyone > > > must want to know! > > > > > > Quality control issues, eh? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Ranjanji, The atmosphere in the group does not seem conducive to such debates. Still,for whatit is worth. That Nirayana zodiac is linked to chitra or revati is again an assumption. We seem to be stuck in a situation where despite the clear caution in the classics regarding desh, kaal etc we do not want to give credence to kaal! The graha laghava paddhathi is fantastically accurate ...but for the period in which it was written in the 15th century! The formula suggested for ayanamsha calculation is good and simple indeed but the author never thought that six hundred years later the same formula will still be applied. I think a relook is needed. Secondly,do jyotishis validate the movement of sun by unfolding of events in the charts? Do jyotishis validate the concept of rashi by successful predictions or do they use rashi as a tool to predict? I would say here that there are so many factors that you can predict successfully without concepts too. > "Jyotishis have generally (strongly) stated that the validity of a > given ayanamsha is easily proven or demonstrated by successful > predictions and good concordances between divisional chart and the > actual unfolding of traits or events in the nativity's life." You have given enough counterarguments in your mail about this. You are right, the determination of Zero has little relevance because of the manifold factors involved. However, when we take up Jyotish as a science, we need to establish certain basics and therefore my attempt. I am indeed fortunate and blessed that I attempted to corelate these cycles. It is not material if it is useful or not for that is not my ambition. I would rather stay in this beginner's class and try to curiously ask the "whys" of Jyotish and am grateful that there are some answers if one cares to look for rather than accepting an answer just because Guruji said so or translated it in his perception of what Parasara said. regards rishi Raah usiki diya usika mujhe to bas chalna hai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Ranjanji, The atmosphere in the group does not seem conducive to such debates. Still,for whatit is worth. That Nirayana zodiac is linked to chitra or revati is again an assumption. We seem to be stuck in a situation where despite the clear caution in the classics regarding desh, kaal etc we do not want to give credence to kaal! The graha laghava paddhathi is fantastically accurate ...but for the period in which it was written in the 15th century! The formula suggested for ayanamsha calculation is good and simple indeed but the author never thought that six hundred years later the same formula will still be applied. I think a relook is needed. Secondly,do jyotishis validate the movement of sun by unfolding of events in the charts? Do jyotishis validate the concept of rashi by successful predictions or do they use rashi as a tool to predict? I would say here that there are so many factors that you can predict successfully without concepts too. > "Jyotishis have generally (strongly) stated that the validity of a > given ayanamsha is easily proven or demonstrated by successful > predictions and good concordances between divisional chart and the > actual unfolding of traits or events in the nativity's life." You have given enough counterarguments in your mail about this. You are right, the determination of Zero has little relevance because of the manifold factors involved. However, when we take up Jyotish as a science, we need to establish certain basics and therefore my attempt. I am indeed fortunate and blessed that I attempted to corelate these cycles. It is not material if it is useful or not for that is not my ambition. I would rather stay in this beginner's class and try to curiously ask the "whys" of Jyotish and am grateful that there are some answers if one cares to look for rather than accepting an answer just because Guruji said so or translated it in his perception of what Parasara said. regards rishi Raah usiki diya usika mujhe to bas chalna hai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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