PEOPLE SITTING ON THE SHORES (for prafullaji)

[Guest guest]

dear prafullaji

 

you wrote:

"What is the credibility test for the astrologers, who are

predicting or suggesting quick fix remedies !! They are harming

more, than serving people ... "

 

even though your observations are specific to bhaskarji's mail, your

general negative criticism of contributing astrologers needs

substantiation by facts or proof.

 

what do you mean by this sentence. you wish to subject all

contributors taking time and parting knowledge freely and spending

energies freely have to be SUBJECTED TO CREDIBILITY, NAY, YOU BRAND

THEM HARMING THE QUERENTS MORE THAN SERVING. facts speak

otherwise. can you show any mails from querents complaining about

negative results after performing remedies from this group. on the

contrary i read hundreds of thank you mails in this group.

 

if few astrologers are reading charts and suggesting remedies in

this group and thousands of qeurents approach them, you come and

decalre publicly that they are doing harm and you shall subject them

to credibility tests.

 

you study the shastras which prescribe these remedies and you

glorify them. do you say in groups that they need to be subjected

to credibility and brand them doing more harm than good.

 

eminent astrologers and sages (i dont want to name) have written

books on these remedies and you buy these books. do you criticise

them for suggesting quick fix remedies.

 

dear prafullaji, this is a free forum where members can get whatever

is offered freely. some querents ask and get more information

freely. but you cannot brand as if these astrologers are not

credible or not accountable as if they are working in an NGO funded

by you and hence they failed in dereliction of duty.

 

in several mails, you criticised the contributors to stop discussing

non jyotish contents whereas (after that post) you are the most

active contributor in most of these non jyotish threads. the owners

and moderators of this group are not demanding or suggesting or

asking these things. in fact once tanvirji clearly stated in a

public mail to discuss or share all knowledge freely. you are also

vocal in splitting the group or starting a separate group for

readings, discussions on jyotish, discussion on nonjyotish etc. old

contributors of this group (both jyotish and nonjyotish) have never

asked for this division and are comfortable with the way the group

owner is allowing every member to freely discuss non jyotish content

besides serious reading of charts.

 

members are greatly benefitting from various discussion threads as

well as reading of charts. but your public declaration of all

contributing astrologers who are giving free readings and suggesting

remedies DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD, DAMAGES THE REPUTATION OF THIS

GROUP AND WARNS THE QUERENTS THAT HERE IS A GROUP WHERE YOU FIND

ASTROLOGERS WHO ARE NOT CREDIBLE, WHO SUGGEST REMEDIES AND CAUSE

HARM TO YOU. ALAS, IN KALIYUGA EVEN THOSE WHO ARE CONTRIBUTING

FREELY ARE TERMED AS DOING HARM TO OTHERS.

 

with best wishes

pandit arjun

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> I do not agree with you. You mean to say that - only those

astrologers, who are predicting - are doing a great service.. I am

sorry for your wrong notions..and the blanket quick fix, without any

responsibilities..are more harmful. What is accountability of those

readings. What is the credibility test for the astrologers, who are

predicting or suggesting quick fix remedies !! They are harming

more, than serving people ...

>

> Some of your comments of yours, are extremely unwarranted. This

forum is strictly meant for jyotish discussions. It is not querent's

forum and unfortunately, vested interests have made it a dirty and

filthy market place.

>

> Ranjan ji is great jyotish contributor and his contribution to any

forum - now or in past, can not be measured. if he has suggested

something, we must take that as guidance and must feel lucky for

getting sound and unprejudiced advise.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:38:14 -0000

> >

> > PEOPLE SITTING ON THE SHORES

> >

> > Again people sitting at shore advising how to swim.,

> > to a life guard in charge of saving drowning

> > lives in turbulent waters, and ferocious waves,

> > not a single worthwhile post coming from them, all

> > senseless literal chatter, which any matric pass in

> > school can indulge in. Waste of space on the Forum.

> >

> > Why cant they do some work which will benefit either

> > themselves or other members here.Only passing remark

> > on other members and commentiing ironically and

> > with shades of sadism, seated on a high self-made

> > pedestal meant for divines, what right have they got

> > to do this. At least the members in question, me

> > and Mr.A....... whatever may be our brawl in

> > question, i respect him for his efforts in answering

> > natives,but what about these smart and wise ones ?

> >

> > If a mother reprimands her child ten times in a day

> > and then again calles him near ten times and kisses

> > on his cheeks, you call this behaviour as hospital

> > behaviour ?

> >

> > A wife and husband arguing 2 times in a day and again

> > coming back to normal, we call that without maturity ?

> > 2 brothers fighting in office/home and one of them

> > taking a step forward and reconciling, any abnormal

> > behaviour here ?

> >

> > Beauty lies in the eyes if the beholder. A jaundiced

> > eyes, and mentality would only give a pathetic

> > view to the observer.For whom should a partition be

> > made in this Forum ?

> > for the people who 100% times and 100% of the times

> > indulge in senseless rattling

> > or for those who are periodically rattling ?

> >

> >

> > some are very ready and eager to comment as like

> > GodFathers . I have also read Tennyson, Browning,

> > Shelley,Cummings,Robert frost,Edgar Allen,Dickenson,

> > Wordsworth,Dickens,Emily and many others., and know

> > to use that English too

> > here in the Forum, but do not, because we are

> > here for the purpose of Jyotish,and for that i would

> > demand a seperate partition, and not for scuffles

> > between members, which if one visits other Forums

> > he will find there too periodically.

> > In other words for every vessel in the kitchen we need

> > partitions ? Its not possible. there has to be some

> > noise where there are vessels kept together. Nothing

> > strange about that.

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar.

>

[Guest guest]

Arjunji,

With due regards, the arguments in JR are continuing to grow. Almost

every thread ends in a heated acrimony and personal exchanges.

Why?

Prafulla, here is neither questioning the need for astrology and

astrologers. In this forum, questions are asked freely and replies

given even more freely. One can find instances of queries being

answered within minutes of their being posted suggesting that the

person who is answering is not even pausing to give time to himself to

read the chart.

There are astrologers or Jyotishis in this group who are very young

too. There are astrologers who have spend a year in astrology and

others with much more experience like Tatvamasiji, you and others who

have decades of experience in Jyotish.

While there are few complaints about wrong readings, we can see a

prediction and then within a week the querist saying thankyous. Is

this what Jyotish is all about?

Are we here merely to provide aspiring jyotishis a platform to

practise their skills on unsuspecting querists.

You , Sir are a senior and experienced member of this forum. Please

find ways to stop the discussions from being personal battles.

And look at this, already this is the beginning of yet another

confrontation!

 

regards

 

rishi

[Guest guest]

Dear Rishi ji

 

a quick note. Another ugly thing - where so called "holy astrologers" people post with multiple Ids; for which eGroup admin is very strict.

 

I might be taking up this issue with them, for required actions as well on such practices.

 

Yes, I agree - people knowing astrology for less than few years, are projecting and using this as practising ground. Is it not harming natives?

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

************************************************

 

 

>

> rishi_2000in

> Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:34:31 -0000

>

> Re: PEOPLE SITTING ON THE SHORES (for prafullaji)

>

> Arjunji,

> With due regards, the arguments in JR are continuing to grow. Almost

> every thread ends in a heated acrimony and personal exchanges.

> Why?

> Prafulla, here is neither questioning the need for astrology and

> astrologers. In this forum, questions are asked freely and replies

> given even more freely. One can find instances of queries being

> answered within minutes of their being posted suggesting that the

> person who is answering is not even pausing to give time to himself to

> read the chart.

> There are astrologers or Jyotishis in this group who are very young

> too. There are astrologers who have spend a year in astrology and

> others with much more experience like Tatvamasiji, you and others who

> have decades of experience in Jyotish.

> While there are few complaints about wrong readings, we can see a

> prediction and then within a week the querist saying thankyous. Is

> this what Jyotish is all about?

> Are we here merely to provide aspiring jyotishis a platform to

> practise their skills on unsuspecting querists.

> You , Sir are a senior and experienced member of this forum. Please

> find ways to stop the discussions from being personal battles.

> And look at this, already this is the beginning of yet another

> confrontation!

>

> regards

>

> rishi

[Guest guest]

dear rishiji

 

my answer in only one sentence to all members is as follows:

 

read charts, exchange views or share knowledge in whichever way you

feel on whatever subject you want with 100% freedom and write

whatever comes in your mind, BUT DONT CRITICISE OTHERS.

 

with best wishes

pandit arjun

 

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Arjunji,

> With due regards, the arguments in JR are continuing to grow.

Almost

> every thread ends in a heated acrimony and personal exchanges.

> Why?

> Prafulla, here is neither questioning the need for astrology and

> astrologers. In this forum, questions are asked freely and replies

> given even more freely. One can find instances of queries being

> answered within minutes of their being posted suggesting that the

> person who is answering is not even pausing to give time to

himself to

> read the chart.

> There are astrologers or Jyotishis in this group who are very

young

> too. There are astrologers who have spend a year in astrology and

> others with much more experience like Tatvamasiji, you and others

who

> have decades of experience in Jyotish.

> While there are few complaints about wrong readings, we can see a

> prediction and then within a week the querist saying thankyous. Is

> this what Jyotish is all about?

> Are we here merely to provide aspiring jyotishis a platform to

> practise their skills on unsuspecting querists.

> You , Sir are a senior and experienced member of this forum.

Please

> find ways to stop the discussions from being personal battles.

> And look at this, already this is the beginning of yet another

> confrontation!

>

> regards

>

> rishi

>

[Guest guest]

ABSOLUTELY.

THE PROBLEMS START WHEN ONE ASTROLOGER/STUDENT/ MEMBER

CRITICISES ANOTHER atrologer/student/member.

LIVE AND LET LIVE.

 

 

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear rishiji

>

> my answer in only one sentence to all members is as follows:

>

> read charts, exchange views or share knowledge in whichever way you

> feel on whatever subject you want with 100% freedom and write

> whatever comes in your mind, BUT DONT CRITICISE OTHERS.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Arjunji,

> > With due regards, the arguments in JR are continuing to grow.

> Almost

> > every thread ends in a heated acrimony and personal exchanges.

> > Why?

> > Prafulla, here is neither questioning the need for astrology and

> > astrologers. In this forum, questions are asked freely and

replies

> > given even more freely. One can find instances of queries being

> > answered within minutes of their being posted suggesting that the

> > person who is answering is not even pausing to give time to

> himself to

> > read the chart.

> > There are astrologers or Jyotishis in this group who are very

> young

> > too. There are astrologers who have spend a year in astrology and

> > others with much more experience like Tatvamasiji, you and others

> who

> > have decades of experience in Jyotish.

> > While there are few complaints about wrong readings, we can see a

> > prediction and then within a week the querist saying thankyous.

Is

> > this what Jyotish is all about?

> > Are we here merely to provide aspiring jyotishis a platform to

> > practise their skills on unsuspecting querists.

> > You , Sir are a senior and experienced member of this forum.

> Please

> > find ways to stop the discussions from being personal battles.

> > And look at this, already this is the beginning of yet another

> > confrontation!

> >

> > regards

> >

> > rishi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Arjunji,

I agree, there is one request though.

Criticism should not only be avoided of the members of this group but

more importantly of those who are not here in this group to defend

themselves. We all can have differing viewpoints on Jyotisha and other

aspects of life which flow in normally in any discussion but do not

condemn others is also to be considered. Tolerance, in my opinion, is

the key.

 

And as I said, in another mail, whatever we do the Karma is ours, the

result ours, the price to be paid is by the doer of the karma.

Letus also remember this ..is my sincere suggestion.

 

regards

 

rishi

[Guest guest]

Or the problems start - when people take generalized comment as personal - perhaps for some "guilt" or masked image !!

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

************************************************

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:57:40 -0000

>

> Re: PEOPLE SITTING ON THE SHORES (for prafullaji)

>

>

> ABSOLUTELY.

> THE PROBLEMS START WHEN ONE ASTROLOGER/STUDENT/ MEMBER

> CRITICISES ANOTHER atrologer/student/member.

> LIVE AND LET LIVE.

>

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004 wrote:

>>

>> dear rishiji

>>

>> my answer in only one sentence to all members is as follows:

>>

>> read charts, exchange views or share knowledge in whichever way you

>> feel on whatever subject you want with 100% freedom and write

>> whatever comes in your mind, BUT DONT CRITICISE OTHERS.

>>

>> with best wishes

>> pandit arjun

>>

>>

>> , "rishi_2000in"

>> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

>>>

>>> Arjunji,

>>> With due regards, the arguments in JR are continuing to grow.

>> Almost

>>> every thread ends in a heated acrimony and personal exchanges.

>>> Why?

>>> Prafulla, here is neither questioning the need for astrology and

>>> astrologers. In this forum, questions are asked freely and

> replies

>>> given even more freely. One can find instances of queries being

>>> answered within minutes of their being posted suggesting that the

>>> person who is answering is not even pausing to give time to

>> himself to

>>> read the chart.

>>> There are astrologers or Jyotishis in this group who are very

>> young

>>> too. There are astrologers who have spend a year in astrology and

>>> others with much more experience like Tatvamasiji, you and others

>> who

>>> have decades of experience in Jyotish.

>>> While there are few complaints about wrong readings, we can see a

>>> prediction and then within a week the querist saying thankyous.

> Is

>>> this what Jyotish is all about?

>>> Are we here merely to provide aspiring jyotishis a platform to

>>> practise their skills on unsuspecting querists.

>>> You , Sir are a senior and experienced member of this forum.

>> Please

>>> find ways to stop the discussions from being personal battles.

>>> And look at this, already this is the beginning of yet another

>>> confrontation!

>>>

>>> regards

>>>

>>> rishi

>>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Shall let this pass. i can copy paste all the genralised comments

and any kid can make out whether they were personal or not. That

is called masking and garbing.

and if so much is known then please also reveal what guilt and what

masked image please ?

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Or the problems start - when people take generalized comment as

personal - perhaps for some "guilt" or masked image !!

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:57:40 -0000

> >

> > Re: PEOPLE SITTING ON THE SHORES (for prafullaji)

> >

> >

> > ABSOLUTELY.

> > THE PROBLEMS START WHEN ONE ASTROLOGER/STUDENT/ MEMBER

> > CRITICISES ANOTHER atrologer/student/member.

> > LIVE AND LET LIVE.

> >

> >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >>

> >> dear rishiji

> >>

> >> my answer in only one sentence to all members is as follows:

> >>

> >> read charts, exchange views or share knowledge in whichever way

you

> >> feel on whatever subject you want with 100% freedom and write

> >> whatever comes in your mind, BUT DONT CRITICISE OTHERS.

> >>

> >> with best wishes

> >> pandit arjun

> >>

> >>

> >> , "rishi_2000in"

> >> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Arjunji,

> >>> With due regards, the arguments in JR are continuing to grow.

> >> Almost

> >>> every thread ends in a heated acrimony and personal exchanges.

> >>> Why?

> >>> Prafulla, here is neither questioning the need for astrology and

> >>> astrologers. In this forum, questions are asked freely and

> > replies

> >>> given even more freely. One can find instances of queries being

> >>> answered within minutes of their being posted suggesting that

the

> >>> person who is answering is not even pausing to give time to

> >> himself to

> >>> read the chart.

> >>> There are astrologers or Jyotishis in this group who are very

> >> young

> >>> too. There are astrologers who have spend a year in astrology

and

> >>> others with much more experience like Tatvamasiji, you and

others

> >> who

> >>> have decades of experience in Jyotish.

> >>> While there are few complaints about wrong readings, we can see

a

> >>> prediction and then within a week the querist saying thankyous.

> > Is

> >>> this what Jyotish is all about?

> >>> Are we here merely to provide aspiring jyotishis a platform to

> >>> practise their skills on unsuspecting querists.

> >>> You , Sir are a senior and experienced member of this forum.

> >> Please

> >>> find ways to stop the discussions from being personal battles.

> >>> And look at this, already this is the beginning of yet another

> >>> confrontation!

> >>>

> >>> regards

> >>>

> >>> rishi

> >>>

> >>

>

[Guest guest]

Bhaskarji,

And even if a member criticises another why does it become a

prestige issue each time.

Why do we need to prove anything to anybody. Where is the need to

react defensively or aggressively to every message.

Why dont we see that there are fluid transits all across the sky.

The pitra paksha sandwiched between grahans. The changing of Guru,

Rahu, Shani all on the anvil.

The conjunction of Shukra and Sun and almost a near triple

conjunction of Shukra, Mangal and Sun around the same time the slow

moving grahas are changing rashis and that too at nearly 10 degrees

Libra. Sun at 10 degrees libra..when the Venus conjunction takes

place.

Give up your anger, you or me are not important.

rishi

 

 

 

, "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> ABSOLUTELY.

> THE PROBLEMS START WHEN ONE ASTROLOGER/STUDENT/ MEMBER

> CRITICISES ANOTHER atrologer/student/member.

> LIVE AND LET LIVE.

>

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear rishiji

> >

> > my answer in only one sentence to all members is as follows:

> >

> > read charts, exchange views or share knowledge in whichever way

you

> > feel on whatever subject you want with 100% freedom and write

> > whatever comes in your mind, BUT DONT CRITICISE OTHERS.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> >

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Arjunji,

> > > With due regards, the arguments in JR are continuing to grow.

> > Almost

> > > every thread ends in a heated acrimony and personal exchanges.

> > > Why?

> > > Prafulla, here is neither questioning the need for astrology

and

> > > astrologers. In this forum, questions are asked freely and

> replies

> > > given even more freely. One can find instances of queries

being

> > > answered within minutes of their being posted suggesting that

the

> > > person who is answering is not even pausing to give time to

> > himself to

> > > read the chart.

> > > There are astrologers or Jyotishis in this group who are very

> > young

> > > too. There are astrologers who have spend a year in astrology

and

> > > others with much more experience like Tatvamasiji, you and

others

> > who

> > > have decades of experience in Jyotish.

> > > While there are few complaints about wrong readings, we can

see a

> > > prediction and then within a week the querist saying

thankyous.

> Is

> > > this what Jyotish is all about?

> > > Are we here merely to provide aspiring jyotishis a platform to

> > > practise their skills on unsuspecting querists.

> > > You , Sir are a senior and experienced member of this forum.

> > Please

> > > find ways to stop the discussions from being personal battles.

> > > And look at this, already this is the beginning of yet another

> > > confrontation!

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > rishi

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Sir,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Bhaskarji,

> And even if a member criticises another why does it become a

> prestige issue each time.

> Why do we need to prove anything to anybody. Where is the need to

> react defensively or aggressively to every message.

> Why dont we see that there are fluid transits all across the sky.

> The pitra paksha sandwiched between grahans. The changing of Guru,

> Rahu, Shani all on the anvil.

> The conjunction of Shukra and Sun and almost a near triple

> conjunction of Shukra, Mangal and Sun around the same time the slow

> moving grahas are changing rashis and that too at nearly 10 degrees

> Libra. Sun at 10 degrees libra..when the Venus conjunction takes

> place.

> Give up your anger, you or me are not important.

> rishi

>

>

>

> , "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > ABSOLUTELY.

> > THE PROBLEMS START WHEN ONE ASTROLOGER/STUDENT/ MEMBER

> > CRITICISES ANOTHER atrologer/student/member.

> > LIVE AND LET LIVE.

> >

> >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear rishiji

> > >

> > > my answer in only one sentence to all members is as follows:

> > >

> > > read charts, exchange views or share knowledge in whichever way

> you

> > > feel on whatever subject you want with 100% freedom and write

> > > whatever comes in your mind, BUT DONT CRITICISE OTHERS.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > >

> > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Arjunji,

> > > > With due regards, the arguments in JR are continuing to grow.

> > > Almost

> > > > every thread ends in a heated acrimony and personal exchanges.

> > > > Why?

> > > > Prafulla, here is neither questioning the need for astrology

> and

> > > > astrologers. In this forum, questions are asked freely and

> > replies

> > > > given even more freely. One can find instances of queries

> being

> > > > answered within minutes of their being posted suggesting that

> the

> > > > person who is answering is not even pausing to give time to

> > > himself to

> > > > read the chart.

> > > > There are astrologers or Jyotishis in this group who are very

> > > young

> > > > too. There are astrologers who have spend a year in astrology

> and

> > > > others with much more experience like Tatvamasiji, you and

> others

> > > who

> > > > have decades of experience in Jyotish.

> > > > While there are few complaints about wrong readings, we can

> see a

> > > > prediction and then within a week the querist saying

> thankyous.

> > Is

> > > > this what Jyotish is all about?

> > > > Are we here merely to provide aspiring jyotishis a platform

to

> > > > practise their skills on unsuspecting querists.

> > > > You , Sir are a senior and experienced member of this forum.

> > > Please

> > > > find ways to stop the discussions from being personal battles.

> > > > And look at this, already this is the beginning of yet

another

> > > > confrontation!

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > rishi

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dear prafullaji

 

it would be prudent if we dont take this thread further, as it will

serve no good to anyone. the only reason i responded to your mail

is because of your finding the astrolgoers harmful in giving their

remedies. as regards forming opinions, everything is in black and

white and let people judge themselves instead of you or me saying

something.

 

with best wishes

pandit arjun

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

>

> Interesting "holy" note !! Perhaps karmic for me or for you or may

be for both of us ??

>

> Few issues are relating to forum practices in general - where

Rishi has already replied. I second his opnion and do not wish to

repeat them again.

>

> For few personal comments made by you -

> I am really sorry to see commercial postings on the thread - I

wish Tanveer ji has allowed them in his forum agenda!! If No - then -

who is violating the norms of the forum - "YOU" or "Me". My "non"

jyotish messages are not harmful in nature, and are always as

response to existing thread. At least - I do not claim to be

astrologer with less than 5 years of experience - and am not

claiming to find "quick fix" for querents; nor do I make any

announcement of "selling holy things". I am not party to vested

interests and not contributed in making this as "market place".

>

> Members of this forum can read the archives and vouch for above.

>

> I have not made any personal attacks and on each ocassion - my

comments were very generalized. Why should it be hurting selectively

to few members - may be "vested interests".

>

> No one is senior / junior - we are here to share knowledge or

experience and at no stage, I have rediculed any individual.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > panditarjun2004

> > Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:15:19 -0000

> >

> > Re: PEOPLE SITTING ON THE SHORES (for prafullaji)

> >

> > dear prafullaji

> >

> > you wrote:

> > "What is the credibility test for the astrologers, who are

> > predicting or suggesting quick fix remedies !! They are harming

> > more, than serving people ... "

> >

> > even though your observations are specific to bhaskarji's mail,

your

> > general negative criticism of contributing astrologers needs

> > substantiation by facts or proof.

> >

> > what do you mean by this sentence. you wish to subject all

> > contributors taking time and parting knowledge freely and

spending

> > energies freely have to be SUBJECTED TO CREDIBILITY, NAY, YOU

BRAND

> > THEM HARMING THE QUERENTS MORE THAN SERVING. facts speak

> > otherwise. can you show any mails from querents complaining

about

> > negative results after performing remedies from this group. on

the

> > contrary i read hundreds of thank you mails in this group.

> >

> > if few astrologers are reading charts and suggesting remedies in

> > this group and thousands of qeurents approach them, you come and

> > decalre publicly that they are doing harm and you shall subject

them

> > to credibility tests.

> >

> > you study the shastras which prescribe these remedies and you

> > glorify them. do you say in groups that they need to be

subjected

> > to credibility and brand them doing more harm than good.

> >

> > eminent astrologers and sages (i dont want to name) have written

> > books on these remedies and you buy these books. do you

criticise

> > them for suggesting quick fix remedies.

> >

> > dear prafullaji, this is a free forum where members can get

whatever

> > is offered freely. some querents ask and get more information

> > freely. but you cannot brand as if these astrologers are not

> > credible or not accountable as if they are working in an NGO

funded

> > by you and hence they failed in dereliction of duty.

> >

> > in several mails, you criticised the contributors to stop

discussing

> > non jyotish contents whereas (after that post) you are the most

> > active contributor in most of these non jyotish threads. the

owners

> > and moderators of this group are not demanding or suggesting or

> > asking these things. in fact once tanvirji clearly stated in a

> > public mail to discuss or share all knowledge freely. you are

also

> > vocal in splitting the group or starting a separate group for

> > readings, discussions on jyotish, discussion on nonjyotish etc.

old

> > contributors of this group (both jyotish and nonjyotish) have

never

> > asked for this division and are comfortable with the way the

group

> > owner is allowing every member to freely discuss non jyotish

content

> > besides serious reading of charts.

> >

> > members are greatly benefitting from various discussion threads

as

> > well as reading of charts. but your public declaration of all

> > contributing astrologers who are giving free readings and

suggesting

> > remedies DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD, DAMAGES THE REPUTATION OF

THIS

> > GROUP AND WARNS THE QUERENTS THAT HERE IS A GROUP WHERE YOU FIND

> > ASTROLOGERS WHO ARE NOT CREDIBLE, WHO SUGGEST REMEDIES AND CAUSE

> > HARM TO YOU. ALAS, IN KALIYUGA EVEN THOSE WHO ARE CONTRIBUTING

> > FREELY ARE TERMED AS DOING HARM TO OTHERS.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >>

> >> I do not agree with you. You mean to say that - only those

> > astrologers, who are predicting - are doing a great service.. I

am

> > sorry for your wrong notions..and the blanket quick fix, without

any

> > responsibilities..are more harmful. What is accountability of

those

> > readings. What is the credibility test for the astrologers, who

are

> > predicting or suggesting quick fix remedies !! They are harming

> > more, than serving people ...

> >>

> >> Some of your comments of yours, are extremely unwarranted. This

> > forum is strictly meant for jyotish discussions. It is not

querent's

> > forum and unfortunately, vested interests have made it a dirty

and

> > filthy market place.

> >>

> >> Ranjan ji is great jyotish contributor and his contribution to

any

> > forum - now or in past, can not be measured. if he has suggested

> > something, we must take that as guidance and must feel lucky for

> > getting sound and unprejudiced advise.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

> > instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

> > expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

> > which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> >> ************************************************

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>> Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:38:14 -0000

> >>>

> >>> PEOPLE SITTING ON THE SHORES

> >>>

> >>> Again people sitting at shore advising how to swim.,

> >>> to a life guard in charge of saving drowning

> >>> lives in turbulent waters, and ferocious waves,

> >>> not a single worthwhile post coming from them, all

> >>> senseless literal chatter, which any matric pass in

> >>> school can indulge in. Waste of space on the Forum.

> >>>

> >>> Why cant they do some work which will benefit either

> >>> themselves or other members here.Only passing remark

> >>> on other members and commentiing ironically and

> >>> with shades of sadism, seated on a high self-made

> >>> pedestal meant for divines, what right have they got

> >>> to do this. At least the members in question, me

> >>> and Mr.A....... whatever may be our brawl in

> >>> question, i respect him for his efforts in answering

> >>> natives,but what about these smart and wise ones ?

> >>>

> >>> If a mother reprimands her child ten times in a day

> >>> and then again calles him near ten times and kisses

> >>> on his cheeks, you call this behaviour as hospital

> >>> behaviour ?

> >>>

> >>> A wife and husband arguing 2 times in a day and again

> >>> coming back to normal, we call that without maturity ?

> >>> 2 brothers fighting in office/home and one of them

> >>> taking a step forward and reconciling, any abnormal

> >>> behaviour here ?

> >>>

> >>> Beauty lies in the eyes if the beholder. A jaundiced

> >>> eyes, and mentality would only give a pathetic

> >>> view to the observer.For whom should a partition be

> >>> made in this Forum ?

> >>> for the people who 100% times and 100% of the times

> >>> indulge in senseless rattling

> >>> or for those who are periodically rattling ?

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> some are very ready and eager to comment as like

> >>> GodFathers . I have also read Tennyson, Browning,

> >>> Shelley,Cummings,Robert frost,Edgar Allen,Dickenson,

> >>> Wordsworth,Dickens,Emily and many others., and know

> >>> to use that English too

> >>> here in the Forum, but do not, because we are

> >>> here for the purpose of Jyotish,and for that i would

> >>> demand a seperate partition, and not for scuffles

> >>> between members, which if one visits other Forums

> >>> he will find there too periodically.

> >>> In other words for every vessel in the kitchen we need

> >>> partitions ? Its not possible. there has to be some

> >>> noise where there are vessels kept together. Nothing

> >>> strange about that.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Bhaskar.

> >>

>

> __________

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[Guest guest]

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear prafullaji

>

> it would be prudent if we dont take this thread further, as it

will

> serve no good to anyone. the only reason i responded to your mail

> is because of your finding the astrolgoers harmful in giving their

> remedies. as regards forming opinions, everything is in black and

> white and let people judge themselves instead of you or me saying

> something.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

> >

> > Interesting "holy" note !! Perhaps karmic for me or for you or

may

> be for both of us ??

> >

> > Few issues are relating to forum practices in general - where

> Rishi has already replied. I second his opnion and do not wish to

> repeat them again.

> >

> > For few personal comments made by you -

> > I am really sorry to see commercial postings on the thread - I

> wish Tanveer ji has allowed them in his forum agenda!! If No -

then -

> who is violating the norms of the forum - "YOU" or "Me". My "non"

> jyotish messages are not harmful in nature, and are always as

> response to existing thread. At least - I do not claim to be

> astrologer with less than 5 years of experience - and am not

> claiming to find "quick fix" for querents; nor do I make any

> announcement of "selling holy things". I am not party to vested

> interests and not contributed in making this as "market place".

> >

> > Members of this forum can read the archives and vouch for above.

> >

> > I have not made any personal attacks and on each ocassion - my

> comments were very generalized. Why should it be hurting

selectively

> to few members - may be "vested interests".

> >

> > No one is senior / junior - we are here to share knowledge or

> experience and at no stage, I have rediculed any individual.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

> instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

> expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

> which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> > ************************************************

> >

> >

> > >

> > > panditarjun2004@

> > > Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:15:19 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: PEOPLE SITTING ON THE SHORES (for prafullaji)

> > >

> > > dear prafullaji

> > >

> > > you wrote:

> > > "What is the credibility test for the astrologers, who are

> > > predicting or suggesting quick fix remedies !! They are harming

> > > more, than serving people ... "

> > >

> > > even though your observations are specific to bhaskarji's

mail,

> your

> > > general negative criticism of contributing astrologers needs

> > > substantiation by facts or proof.

> > >

> > > what do you mean by this sentence. you wish to subject all

> > > contributors taking time and parting knowledge freely and

> spending

> > > energies freely have to be SUBJECTED TO CREDIBILITY, NAY, YOU

> BRAND

> > > THEM HARMING THE QUERENTS MORE THAN SERVING. facts speak

> > > otherwise. can you show any mails from querents complaining

> about

> > > negative results after performing remedies from this group.

on

> the

> > > contrary i read hundreds of thank you mails in this group.

> > >

> > > if few astrologers are reading charts and suggesting remedies

in

> > > this group and thousands of qeurents approach them, you come

and

> > > decalre publicly that they are doing harm and you shall

subject

> them

> > > to credibility tests.

> > >

> > > you study the shastras which prescribe these remedies and you

> > > glorify them. do you say in groups that they need to be

> subjected

> > > to credibility and brand them doing more harm than good.

> > >

> > > eminent astrologers and sages (i dont want to name) have

written

> > > books on these remedies and you buy these books. do you

> criticise

> > > them for suggesting quick fix remedies.

> > >

> > > dear prafullaji, this is a free forum where members can get

> whatever

> > > is offered freely. some querents ask and get more information

> > > freely. but you cannot brand as if these astrologers are not

> > > credible or not accountable as if they are working in an NGO

> funded

> > > by you and hence they failed in dereliction of duty.

> > >

> > > in several mails, you criticised the contributors to stop

> discussing

> > > non jyotish contents whereas (after that post) you are the most

> > > active contributor in most of these non jyotish threads. the

> owners

> > > and moderators of this group are not demanding or suggesting or

> > > asking these things. in fact once tanvirji clearly stated in a

> > > public mail to discuss or share all knowledge freely. you are

> also

> > > vocal in splitting the group or starting a separate group for

> > > readings, discussions on jyotish, discussion on nonjyotish

etc.

> old

> > > contributors of this group (both jyotish and nonjyotish) have

> never

> > > asked for this division and are comfortable with the way the

> group

> > > owner is allowing every member to freely discuss non jyotish

> content

> > > besides serious reading of charts.

> > >

> > > members are greatly benefitting from various discussion

threads

> as

> > > well as reading of charts. but your public declaration of all

> > > contributing astrologers who are giving free readings and

> suggesting

> > > remedies DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD, DAMAGES THE REPUTATION OF

> THIS

> > > GROUP AND WARNS THE QUERENTS THAT HERE IS A GROUP WHERE YOU

FIND

> > > ASTROLOGERS WHO ARE NOT CREDIBLE, WHO SUGGEST REMEDIES AND

CAUSE

> > > HARM TO YOU. ALAS, IN KALIYUGA EVEN THOSE WHO ARE CONTRIBUTING

> > > FREELY ARE TERMED AS DOING HARM TO OTHERS.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >>

> > >> I do not agree with you. You mean to say that - only those

> > > astrologers, who are predicting - are doing a great service..

I

> am

> > > sorry for your wrong notions..and the blanket quick fix,

without

> any

> > > responsibilities..are more harmful. What is accountability of

> those

> > > readings. What is the credibility test for the astrologers,

who

> are

> > > predicting or suggesting quick fix remedies !! They are harming

> > > more, than serving people ...

> > >>

> > >> Some of your comments of yours, are extremely unwarranted.

This

> > > forum is strictly meant for jyotish discussions. It is not

> querent's

> > > forum and unfortunately, vested interests have made it a dirty

> and

> > > filthy market place.

> > >>

> > >> Ranjan ji is great jyotish contributor and his contribution

to

> any

> > > forum - now or in past, can not be measured. if he has

suggested

> > > something, we must take that as guidance and must feel lucky

for

> > > getting sound and unprejudiced advise.

> > >>

> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>

> > >> It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

> > > instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

> > > expectations because that is easier than overcoming the

obstacles

> > > which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> > >> ************************************************

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > >>> Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:38:14 -0000

> > >>>

> > >>> PEOPLE SITTING ON THE SHORES

> > >>>

> > >>> Again people sitting at shore advising how to swim.,

> > >>> to a life guard in charge of saving drowning

> > >>> lives in turbulent waters, and ferocious waves,

> > >>> not a single worthwhile post coming from them, all

> > >>> senseless literal chatter, which any matric pass in

> > >>> school can indulge in. Waste of space on the Forum.

> > >>>

> > >>> Why cant they do some work which will benefit either

> > >>> themselves or other members here.Only passing remark

> > >>> on other members and commentiing ironically and

> > >>> with shades of sadism, seated on a high self-made

> > >>> pedestal meant for divines, what right have they got

> > >>> to do this. At least the members in question, me

> > >>> and Mr.A....... whatever may be our brawl in

> > >>> question, i respect him for his efforts in answering

> > >>> natives,but what about these smart and wise ones ?

> > >>>

> > >>> If a mother reprimands her child ten times in a day

> > >>> and then again calles him near ten times and kisses

> > >>> on his cheeks, you call this behaviour as hospital

> > >>> behaviour ?

> > >>>

> > >>> A wife and husband arguing 2 times in a day and again

> > >>> coming back to normal, we call that without maturity ?

> > >>> 2 brothers fighting in office/home and one of them

> > >>> taking a step forward and reconciling, any abnormal

> > >>> behaviour here ?

> > >>>

> > >>> Beauty lies in the eyes if the beholder. A jaundiced

> > >>> eyes, and mentality would only give a pathetic

> > >>> view to the observer.For whom should a partition be

> > >>> made in this Forum ?

> > >>> for the people who 100% times and 100% of the times

> > >>> indulge in senseless rattling

> > >>> or for those who are periodically rattling ?

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> some are very ready and eager to comment as like

> > >>> GodFathers . I have also read Tennyson, Browning,

> > >>> Shelley,Cummings,Robert frost,Edgar Allen,Dickenson,

> > >>> Wordsworth,Dickens,Emily and many others., and know

> > >>> to use that English too

> > >>> here in the Forum, but do not, because we are

> > >>> here for the purpose of Jyotish,and for that i would

> > >>> demand a seperate partition, and not for scuffles

> > >>> between members, which if one visits other Forums

> > >>> he will find there too periodically.

> > >>> In other words for every vessel in the kitchen we need

> > >>> partitions ? Its not possible. there has to be some

> > >>> noise where there are vessels kept together. Nothing

> > >>> strange about that.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Bhaskar.

> > >>

> >

> > __________

> > GET FREE 5GB ONLINE STORAGE - Safely store your documents,

photos

> and music online!

> > Visit http://www.inbox.com/storage to find out more!

> >Respected Pandit Arjunji,

Your befitting reply has saved all the qurents who only have

blessing in their heart of hearts for the great astrologers who help

them with their knowledge. Not alone the they put in their costly

time and energy with asence of service.The posts critising one and

all should be thrown in to garbage.

You have been a real Arjun to counter such posts.

Regards

Ramesh Ojha

>