Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Tarun, so far so good Job half done, the houses, dasas also come into play. Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun > wrote: Fear is represented by Rahu, how we will respond by the fear is ruled by Moon, if we over come fear mars has acted, if we understand the fear Jupiter has worked if we analyzes the fear the mercury has worked when fear is over ketu has worked if the fear is known to many people then sun has worked and if we have to work to over come fear. Each planet has its portfolio we have to understand the basic nature of the planet and see what planet is working. best wishes Tarun Chopra http://www.occultwizard.com/ On 9/14/06, Divya <touchbase_divya (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Jagdishji, > > Thank you for your take on Moon being the Karaka for fear. > > Regarding this mail below about General Dyer, I am not sure if I > understand it completely. > > We are talking about defining fear. And this is a story about what was > perceived as courage by General Dyer's countrymen. But I am sure, in India, > no one termed it as courage. Infact I have often read about it as a > 'cowardly act'. Even if I was not an Indian, then also, I would not be able > to call killing of innocent, unarmed people, as an act of courage. > > Rest of your mail is for 'the learned scholar of astrology', so I hope the > learned scholar will reply > > > Regards, > Divya > > > Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest <upaoakcrest%40>> wrote: > Respected Diviya Ji and Rohini Ranjan Ji > > Why do you see "GOOD" and "BAD" ? There is nothing good and bad. Let me > tell you a story. > > On 12th April, 1919, General Dwyer entered the Jallianwala Bagh with > armored cars and troops, and ordered his people to kill the Indians. > Hundered of people were killed. It generated political-storm in the politics > of India. General Dwyer was called back to England. And was awared and > honored with a "Gold-Sword" for such a noble work by Queen of England. > > Noble-Men of England were praising him for his bravery for killing so many > dirty-black-Indians. It was a moment of party and enjoyment.... > > > What do you think about this moment of joy ? > > > Now, To the learned scholar of astrology, Why do you lament for the girl > whose face was burnt ? Why do you scream when a bank is being robbed ? > > If a girl is being burnt and raped then it must be in her horoscope ? Isnt > it ? Then who are you and me to lament ? > > Can we start seeing things without using adjectives "Good" and "Bad" ? Who > are we to judge that what comes in "stupidity" and what not ? Blame it to > GOD and his cycle of KARMA. The Girl must be having planetary combination > for being raped and the boy must be having planetary combination of spending > life in prison. > > > Best Wishes > > Jagdish > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com <jyotish_vani%40hotmail.com>> > wrote: > Divya, > > I agree. Stupidity (like robbing a bank or throwing acid on a girl, > particularly when alone, or harming her in another way as does get > done!) and the torture inflicted by dictators are not acts of courage! > > RR > > <%40>, > "Divya" > <touchbase_divya wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Jagdishji, > > > > Maybe you are right. But I just see it differently. > > > > I feel that the courage you are talking of, is the intermediate > step. > > After that courage, if the boy wins over the girl (by whatever > means - > > ring etc), then also he can have fear of losing her if there > > is 'moha'. > > And I dont think I would categorise throwing of acid as courage. I > > think it is hatred and jealousy arising out of fear of losing some > > one, which in turn arises from attachment. > > > > Anyway, the main question was, how to we define fear in Jyotish > terms > > and what do we see to ascertain the same in someone's chart. > > > > RRji and Prashantji have given their takes. I really appreciate > that. > > RRji talked of 3rd and 12 house, Mars and nodes. Prashantji talked > of > > ego, upachaya houses, lagna, 4th and 10th. > > > > I would request you to give us your take. If you do not believe > fear > > can be defined as loss of courage, I request you to tell me how you > > would define it. > > > > Regards, > > Divya > > > > > > > > <%40>, > Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Divya Ji > > > > > > We are not on the same page. > > > > > > You are trying to prove that "Moha" leads to fear. I am saying > > that "Moha" makes a person courageous. > > > > > > See one step ahead Divya Ji, > > > > > > The boy, if good in nature, will buy a 5000 dollar ring for his > > gf (from experience). > > > > > > The boy, if bad in nature, will throw acid on the face of the > > girl ( news papers are the source). > > > > > > The both above mentioned thing need "courage" to do. > > > > > > "Fear" is very small intermediate and unstable step > > between "Moha" and "Courage". But it does not come in all the cases > > and it does not have association with "Moha". > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it explains > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Jagdishji, > > > > > > You said... > > > > Howcome "Moha" leads to loss of courage. > > > > > > I'd like to give you an example. If a guy has 'moha' for a girl, > > wouldn't he have fear of losing her? Even if he has enough courage > > (and luck!) to win over the girl, would he not feel possessive and > > would that not lead to fear in him (of losing her)? > > > > > > I am not talking of 'love' here, only 'moha' or attachment. Love, > I > > feel, should give strength (not fear) as it is complete in itself. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Divya > > > > > > P.S In one of the Atri-SJC classes (of Pt. Sanjay Rath) that I > > attended, he has talked of attachment and love, rajas and satwa > guna. > > It was class no. 2 (topic - 9th house). The audio and transcription > > of this class are available on this new link > > http://atrisjc..org in case anyone wants to go through > it. > > > > > > Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest@> wrote: Respected Sir and Divya > > Ji, > > > > > > Everyhouse in the horoscope belongs to 'fear." Fear of not > getting > > respect, not having money, not having brothers, not having love of > > mother, not having kids, marriage, death, GOD, recognition, income > > and Moksha. > > > > > > > > > Indeed whole astrology is generated by some very "fearful" rishi > > and being continued by some very fearful people like me and others > > present in the group. > > > > > > Otherwise whats the need of knowing the future ? Why cant a human > > being accept whatever is given by GOD ? > > > > > > Howcome "Moha" leads to loss of courage. Many people wants to be > > rich and famous. Its moha. To attain their goals they show courage. > > Some people get success and some dont. So "moha" is a catalytic > agent > > for having courage. > > > > > > 3rd lord and 12th lord can lead to fearfulness ? How ? Any chart > > showing that ? > > > > > > I would really like to have chart showing this. > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > Jagdish > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > Kumar ji, > > > > > > Your kindness overestimates this tiny ant, Sir :-) > > > > > > What more could I say that would really be better than what > > > scriptures have said. > > > > > > Fear is loss of courage. Courage is seen from 3rd house. The > house > > > that is 12th therefrom is 2nd. 2nd is about accumulatables, > > > acquisitions, holdings. Moha in other words, desires, attachments > > and > > > possessions that may lead to loss of courage (though > paradoxically, > > > they are also acquired at times by overcoming fear!). > > > > > > Association of 3rd and 12th may lead to fearfulness. However, if > > > strong planets or benefics are involved, the nature of fear may > > > change. > > > > > > Mars indicates bravery and courage and if afflicted may give a > > > fearful tendency. Lunar nodes have been associated with phobias > > > (extreme, paralyzing fear) and if afflicted and ssociated > adversely > > > with indicators of courage and bravery may induce fear. > > > > > > However, I do not wish someone to generalize this and then try to > > > apply in a given chart and without taking other factors into > > > consideration dismiss same. Have seen that happen often :-) hence > > > must sound the caution! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > <%40>, > Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Divya, > > > > > > > > From what little i can gather from our Purana, Itihasas, > > > Upanishads the 2 most talked about issues are fear and favor. > when > > > we over come these, we are a superior being than we r now. > > > > > > > > all the rakshasas who did severe penance got great boons close > > > to imortality, invincibity and yet had a loophole in the boons > > > still suffered from it at ttimes > > > > > > > > the greatest loophole being their ego once it out grew them > boons > > > the end was apparent-Vinasha kale vipreetha buddhi. > > > > > > > > say Narakusara, ravana, shisupala, etc ravana is best > > > illustrated when he is asked by Rama a mere mortal to come next > day > > > when his charriotr was killed, and his charriot broken and ravans > > > weapons exhausted a mere mortal gives me a reprive what an > > > inviincible warrior Iam this let him down most next day. > > > > > > > > AS I KNOW 3RD house and all Upachaya houses deal with this > acpet > > > u said and above all the others too Lagna, 4th 10th in terms of > > > personality, strenght of mind, character, and succes in efforts. > > > > upachaya i said y'day in a mail u can add them too. > > > > > > > > rest sure Sri RR ji will add in better style, content than mine > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > It is an interesting thought..... > > > > > > > > >And perhaps through that exercise we go beyond it and face > > > other bigger fears that keep growing over time, over lifetimes? > > > > > > > > Maybe, since fear is for the future, we have to finally learn > > > to live in the present moment. And accept whatever happens. And > be > > > one with God's will. Seems like all these things are > > related ....... > > > for achieving that perfect state of equilibrium where nothing > > > affects us. > > > > > > > > Also I feel that whatever we fear, comes to us.....whether we > > > want to face it or not. > > > > > > > > I would request you to add how we should see in a chart, what a > > > person fears What is the definition of fear in Jyotish terms. Is > it > > > a complexity of mind? Is it lack of confidence? Does it arise > from > > > some unfulfilled desire? Which planets should we associate with > it? > > > > > > > > Lots of questions... ... > > > > Do reply. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > group but > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > phone. > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > > Great rates starting at 1�/min. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 General Dwyer was called back to England. And was awared and > > honored with a "Gold-Sword" for such a noble work by Queen of England. Noble-Men of England were praising him for his bravery for killing so many > > dirty-black-Indians. It was a moment of party and enjoyment.... > > > > > > What do you think about this moment of joy ? I never knew that. I always thought that he was called back and reprimanded and perhaps court marshalled although let free. Will have to check history on that again. In any case, is there a realistic chance that India can make a financial account of the total amount of wealth taken away by the British for 250 years. That will include major stuff like Koh ai noor diamond, the peacock throne of jahangir and then the cost of a ruined economy. A 'damages statement' in other words, and present them in the UN and/or International court of justice and demand that that amount be returned to India with a interest. I am aware there are no precedents to that in the case of countries who were overtaken by the then imperial powers. But then those imperial powers demanded those same things from Japan and Germany in the post war treaties. Maybe it happens, maybe not, chances are not. But at least a case can be made. And a adjusted amount should be at least reduced from India's debt to UK through the IMF and World bank. It would be great to see a day when Indians can rule britain back for about 250 years too. We owe that to ourselves and to redeem our promise to the world of spreading a just civilization. Cheers Shiva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 dear friend shiva anyone who knows the history of britain concludes that british are none but a bunch of thieves and stealing is in their blood. dozens of countries stand witness to this. your last wish is getting fulfilled as the indian laxmi mittal has become the richest person of UK and is buying the assets of the queen. with best wishes pandit arjun , "theblisswithin" <theblisswithin wrote: > > General Dwyer was called back to England. And was awared and > > > honored with a "Gold-Sword" for such a noble work by Queen of > England. > > Noble-Men of England were praising him for his bravery for killing so > many > > > dirty-black-Indians. It was a moment of party and enjoyment.... > > > > > > > > > What do you think about this moment of joy ? > > I never knew that. I always thought that he was called back and > reprimanded and perhaps court marshalled although let free. Will have > to check history on that again. > > In any case, is there a realistic chance that India can make a > financial account of the total amount of wealth taken away by the > British for 250 years. That will include major stuff like Koh ai noor > diamond, the peacock throne of jahangir and then the cost of a ruined > economy. A 'damages statement' in other words, and present them in the > UN and/or International court of justice and demand that that amount > be returned to India with a interest. > > I am aware there are no precedents to that in the case of countries > who were overtaken by the then imperial powers. But then those > imperial powers demanded those same things from Japan and Germany in > the post war treaties. > > Maybe it happens, maybe not, chances are not. But at least a case can > be made. And a adjusted amount should be at least reduced from India's > debt to UK through the IMF and World bank. > > It would be great to see a day when Indians can rule britain back for > about 250 years too. We owe that to ourselves and to redeem our > promise to the world of spreading a just civilization. > > Cheers > Shiva > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Dear Pandit Arjunji, Shivaji and all, Namaskar. You are very correct in your statement sir. You all know that New Zealand is a colony for *displaced* British war veterans. The queen had given landsto them and settled them outside Britain just as all the prisoners were transported to Australia. There is village here called Howick, where memorials for war *Heroes*, the plaques stating that such and such a soldier had killed so many Indian soldiers/troops and have been honoured for doing so by giving them huge settlements of land and insignias. There are scores of such memorials in the village and it is galling for any Indian, truly patriotic to witness it. I could not see it and came back mid way. Such is the treatment given to the soldiers who fought and annihilated Indians. Is it any wonder that the likes of butchers like Dyer are decorated for Valour(Questionable),like Prathmesn ji`s query offear or courage. I still wonder why Britain turned away all the displaced war veterans from the kingdom, and created a colony for them in New Zealand,were they not good enough to live among the elite of London? Regards Nalini , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friend shiva > > anyone who knows the history of britain concludes that british are > none but a bunch of thieves and stealing is in their blood. dozens > of countries stand witness to this. > > your last wish is getting fulfilled as the indian laxmi mittal has > become the richest person of UK and is buying the assets of the > queen. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , "theblisswithin" > <theblisswithin@> wrote: > > > > General Dwyer was called back to England. And was awared and > > > > honored with a "Gold-Sword" for such a noble work by Queen of > > England. > > > > Noble-Men of England were praising him for his bravery for > killing so > > many > > > > dirty-black-Indians. It was a moment of party and > enjoyment.... > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think about this moment of joy ? > > > > I never knew that. I always thought that he was called back and > > reprimanded and perhaps court marshalled although let free. Will > have > > to check history on that again. > > > > In any case, is there a realistic chance that India can make a > > financial account of the total amount of wealth taken away by the > > British for 250 years. That will include major stuff like Koh ai > noor > > diamond, the peacock throne of jahangir and then the cost of a > ruined > > economy. A 'damages statement' in other words, and present them in > the > > UN and/or International court of justice and demand that that > amount > > be returned to India with a interest. > > > > I am aware there are no precedents to that in the case of countries > > who were overtaken by the then imperial powers. But then those > > imperial powers demanded those same things from Japan and Germany > in > > the post war treaties. > > > > Maybe it happens, maybe not, chances are not. But at least a case > can > > be made. And a adjusted amount should be at least reduced from > India's > > debt to UK through the IMF and World bank. > > > > It would be great to see a day when Indians can rule britain back > for > > about 250 years too. We owe that to ourselves and to redeem our > > promise to the world of spreading a just civilization. > > > > Cheers > > Shiva > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 dear sister nalini ask any south african, zimbabwean, australian, indian or hongkongean. british are known as the best butchers of human race and also the best thieves of looting and taking away the jewels, gold, silk cloth and all the riches to thier homeland. dont worry, god teaches them a great lesson. first lesson is you have seen their ever insatiable conquest of weak countries like iraq where many of their troops are dying. the british prime minister LIES TO THE WORLD to cook grounds for unilateral war and let his entire army gets butchered in iraq and the world has no sympathy for the british. the thieves were showing with pride the kohinoor diamond they stolen from india and in doing so declaring themselves their looted booty. let them boast of their looting spree and let all those thieves get butchered in iraq. how many lakhs of indians unarmed peaceful demonstraters were killed in india only god knows. surely equal number of britishers too die according in their illegal occupation of iraq. great are the miracles of god. with best wishes pandit arjun , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjunji, Shivaji and all, > Namaskar. You are very correct in your statement sir. > You all know that New Zealand is a colony for *displaced* British > war veterans. The queen had given landsto them and settled them > outside Britain just as all the prisoners were transported to > Australia. There is village here called Howick, where memorials for > war *Heroes*, the plaques stating that such and such a soldier had > killed so many Indian soldiers/troops and have been honoured for > doing so by giving them huge settlements of land and insignias. > There are scores of such memorials in the village and it is galling > for any Indian, truly patriotic to witness it. I could not see it > and came back mid way. Such is the treatment given to the soldiers > who fought and annihilated Indians. Is it any wonder that the likes > of butchers like Dyer are decorated for Valour(Questionable),like > Prathmesn ji`s query offear or courage. > I still wonder why Britain turned away all the displaced war > veterans from the kingdom, and created a colony for them in New > Zealand,were they not good enough to live among the elite of London? > > Regards > Nalini > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend shiva > > > > anyone who knows the history of britain concludes that british are > > none but a bunch of thieves and stealing is in their blood. > dozens > > of countries stand witness to this. > > > > your last wish is getting fulfilled as the indian laxmi mittal has > > become the richest person of UK and is buying the assets of the > > queen. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > , "theblisswithin" > > <theblisswithin@> wrote: > > > > > > General Dwyer was called back to England. And was awared and > > > > > honored with a "Gold-Sword" for such a noble work by Queen > of > > > England. > > > > > > Noble-Men of England were praising him for his bravery for > > killing so > > > many > > > > > dirty-black-Indians. It was a moment of party and > > enjoyment.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think about this moment of joy ? > > > > > > I never knew that. I always thought that he was called back and > > > reprimanded and perhaps court marshalled although let free. Will > > have > > > to check history on that again. > > > > > > In any case, is there a realistic chance that India can make a > > > financial account of the total amount of wealth taken away by the > > > British for 250 years. That will include major stuff like Koh ai > > noor > > > diamond, the peacock throne of jahangir and then the cost of a > > ruined > > > economy. A 'damages statement' in other words, and present them > in > > the > > > UN and/or International court of justice and demand that that > > amount > > > be returned to India with a interest. > > > > > > I am aware there are no precedents to that in the case of > countries > > > who were overtaken by the then imperial powers. But then those > > > imperial powers demanded those same things from Japan and > Germany > > in > > > the post war treaties. > > > > > > Maybe it happens, maybe not, chances are not. But at least a > case > > can > > > be made. And a adjusted amount should be at least reduced from > > India's > > > debt to UK through the IMF and World bank. > > > > > > It would be great to see a day when Indians can rule britain > back > > for > > > about 250 years too. We owe that to ourselves and to redeem our > > > promise to the world of spreading a just civilization. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Shiva > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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