Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Dear RRJi, well said, sure fear is not part of the scope its solution is what makes astrology hwat iti is and Jagagish, Rishi to an extent have implied fear more than the sides u just said, I did this too but did not get any supportive lines to such thinking... the obective of all our Purnansa, ithasas get rid of ear, favor.... crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Simply stated, I do not think that Rishis wrote out Jyotish in or out of fear! They did not write it for their own sake either! Or they would have spent more time on pravrajyaa yogas, or devaprapti yogas and no so many thousand slokas on earning, rajyogas, marriage and childbearing ad infinitum! Nor would they have talked about ashtakavarga ;-) Just because a Ph.D. writes a children's text book or even a story book for children, I suppose the intention is to impart and transfer some wisdom in a simple manner to the children, and not for other Ph.D.s to learn from, etc. Stated openly and absolutely non-critically! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Very well written indeed. This entire life evolves around fear! > With thoughts so profound, Prathamesh, view astrology from another > angle. > Astrology is not just a future knowing tool. It began when rishis > were not so fearful. It began as a method to understand nature and > how nature affects human beings. It is the 'fearful' seeker of this > age that starts converting astrology in a precision tool which should > be able to pinpoint each event exactly. > When religion, philosophy, science all are still searching for a > theory of everything how can astrology in itself give the answer? > And then we particularly in Jyotish say...all that had to be known > about Jyotish was done by our ancient seers, they had all answers, so > follow them literally or perish...the fear again! > Jyotish should also be a continuously evolving vidya and it is. > Itshould be there to guide , it cannot give the answers in isolation. > What every man/ woman needs to do in terms of efforts, decisionmaking > cannot be replaced by merely jyotish. > > A chart, has so many potentialities and possibilities...well we cant > discuss it here for you said, no reading, so whats your mail, will > mail it you seperately. > regards > > rishi > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > Respected Sir and Divya Ji, > > > > Everyhouse in the horoscope belongs to 'fear." Fear of not > getting respect, not having money, not having brothers, not having > love of mother, not having kids, marriage, death, GOD, recognition, > income and Moksha. > > > > > > Indeed whole astrology is generated by some very "fearful" rishi > and being continued by some very fearful people like me and others > present in the group. > > > > Otherwise whats the need of knowing the future ? Why cant a human > being accept whatever is given by GOD ? > > > > Howcome "Moha" leads to loss of courage. Many people wants to be > rich and famous. Its moha. To attain their goals they show courage. > Some people get success and some dont. So "moha" is a catalytic agent > for having courage. > > > > 3rd lord and 12th lord can lead to fearfulness ? How ? Any chart > showing that ? > > > > I would really like to have chart showing this. > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Jagdish > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Kumar ji, > > > > Your kindness overestimates this tiny ant, Sir :-) > > > > What more could I say that would really be better than what > > scriptures have said. > > > > Fear is loss of courage. Courage is seen from 3rd house. The house > > that is 12th therefrom is 2nd. 2nd is about accumulatables, > > acquisitions, holdings. Moha in other words, desires, attachments > and > > possessions that may lead to loss of courage (though paradoxically, > > they are also acquired at times by overcoming fear!). > > > > Association of 3rd and 12th may lead to fearfulness. However, if > > strong planets or benefics are involved, the nature of fear may > > change. > > > > Mars indicates bravery and courage and if afflicted may give a > > fearful tendency. Lunar nodes have been associated with phobias > > (extreme, paralyzing fear) and if afflicted and ssociated adversely > > with indicators of courage and bravery may induce fear. > > > > However, I do not wish someone to generalize this and then try to > > apply in a given chart and without taking other factors into > > consideration dismiss same. Have seen that happen often :-) hence > > must sound the caution! > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Divya, > > > > > > From what little i can gather from our Purana, Itihasas, > > Upanishads the 2 most talked about issues are fear and favor. when > > we over come these, we are a superior being than we r now. > > > > > > all the rakshasas who did severe penance got great boons close > > to imortality, invincibity and yet had a loophole in the boons > > still suffered from it at ttimes > > > > > > the greatest loophole being their ego once it out grew them boons > > the end was apparent-Vinasha kale vipreetha buddhi. > > > > > > say Narakusara, ravana, shisupala, etc ravana is best > > illustrated when he is asked by Rama a mere mortal to come next day > > when his charriotr was killed, and his charriot broken and ravans > > weapons exhausted a mere mortal gives me a reprive what an > > inviincible warrior Iam this let him down most next day. > > > > > > AS I KNOW 3RD house and all Upachaya houses deal with this acpet > > u said and above all the others too Lagna, 4th 10th in terms of > > personality, strenght of mind, character, and succes in efforts. > > > upachaya i said y'day in a mail u can add them too. > > > > > > rest sure Sri RR ji will add in better style, content than mine > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > It is an interesting thought..... > > > > > > >And perhaps through that exercise we go beyond it and face > > other bigger fears that keep growing over time, over lifetimes? > > > > > > Maybe, since fear is for the future, we have to finally learn > > to live in the present moment. And accept whatever happens. And be > > one with God's will. Seems like all these things are > related ....... > > for achieving that perfect state of equilibrium where nothing > > affects us. > > > > > > Also I feel that whatever we fear, comes to us.....whether we > > want to face it or not. > > > > > > I would request you to add how we should see in a chart, what a > > person fears What is the definition of fear in Jyotish terms. Is it > > a complexity of mind? Is it lack of confidence? Does it arise from > > some unfulfilled desire? Which planets should we associate with it? > > > > > > Lots of questions... ... > > > Do reply. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Divya > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > group but > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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