Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Not to distract the crowd -- perhaps someone should write about saptavimshamsha varga which is also known as bhamsha which BPHS indicates the chart of strength-weakness. Third house in bhamsha -- perhaps? RR , "Divya" <touchbase_divya wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Jagdishji, > > Maybe you are right. But I just see it differently. > > I feel that the courage you are talking of, is the intermediate step. > After that courage, if the boy wins over the girl (by whatever means - > ring etc), then also he can have fear of losing her if there > is 'moha'. > And I dont think I would categorise throwing of acid as courage. I > think it is hatred and jealousy arising out of fear of losing some > one, which in turn arises from attachment. > > Anyway, the main question was, how to we define fear in Jyotish terms > and what do we see to ascertain the same in someone's chart. > > RRji and Prashantji have given their takes. I really appreciate that. > RRji talked of 3rd and 12 house, Mars and nodes. Prashantji talked of > ego, upachaya houses, lagna, 4th and 10th. > > I would request you to give us your take. If you do not believe fear > can be defined as loss of courage, I request you to tell me how you > would define it. > > Regards, > Divya > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > Dear Divya Ji > > > > We are not on the same page. > > > > You are trying to prove that "Moha" leads to fear. I am saying > that "Moha" makes a person courageous. > > > > See one step ahead Divya Ji, > > > > The boy, if good in nature, will buy a 5000 dollar ring for his > gf (from experience). > > > > The boy, if bad in nature, will throw acid on the face of the > girl ( news papers are the source). > > > > The both above mentioned thing need "courage" to do. > > > > "Fear" is very small intermediate and unstable step > between "Moha" and "Courage". But it does not come in all the cases > and it does not have association with "Moha". > > > > > > > > Hope it explains > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Jagdish > > > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Jagdishji, > > > > You said... > > > Howcome "Moha" leads to loss of courage. > > > > I'd like to give you an example. If a guy has 'moha' for a girl, > wouldn't he have fear of losing her? Even if he has enough courage > (and luck!) to win over the girl, would he not feel possessive and > would that not lead to fear in him (of losing her)? > > > > I am not talking of 'love' here, only 'moha' or attachment. Love, I > feel, should give strength (not fear) as it is complete in itself. > > > > Regards, > > Divya > > > > P.S In one of the Atri-SJC classes (of Pt. Sanjay Rath) that I > attended, he has talked of attachment and love, rajas and satwa guna. > It was class no. 2 (topic - 9th house). The audio and transcription > of this class are available on this new link > http://atrisjc..org in case anyone wants to go through it. > > > > Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest@> wrote: Respected Sir and Divya > Ji, > > > > Everyhouse in the horoscope belongs to 'fear." Fear of not getting > respect, not having money, not having brothers, not having love of > mother, not having kids, marriage, death, GOD, recognition, income > and Moksha. > > > > > > Indeed whole astrology is generated by some very "fearful" rishi > and being continued by some very fearful people like me and others > present in the group. > > > > Otherwise whats the need of knowing the future ? Why cant a human > being accept whatever is given by GOD ? > > > > Howcome "Moha" leads to loss of courage. Many people wants to be > rich and famous. Its moha. To attain their goals they show courage. > Some people get success and some dont. So "moha" is a catalytic agent > for having courage. > > > > 3rd lord and 12th lord can lead to fearfulness ? How ? Any chart > showing that ? > > > > I would really like to have chart showing this. > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Jagdish > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Kumar ji, > > > > Your kindness overestimates this tiny ant, Sir :-) > > > > What more could I say that would really be better than what > > scriptures have said. > > > > Fear is loss of courage. Courage is seen from 3rd house. The house > > that is 12th therefrom is 2nd. 2nd is about accumulatables, > > acquisitions, holdings. Moha in other words, desires, attachments > and > > possessions that may lead to loss of courage (though paradoxically, > > they are also acquired at times by overcoming fear!). > > > > Association of 3rd and 12th may lead to fearfulness. However, if > > strong planets or benefics are involved, the nature of fear may > > change. > > > > Mars indicates bravery and courage and if afflicted may give a > > fearful tendency. Lunar nodes have been associated with phobias > > (extreme, paralyzing fear) and if afflicted and ssociated adversely > > with indicators of courage and bravery may induce fear. > > > > However, I do not wish someone to generalize this and then try to > > apply in a given chart and without taking other factors into > > consideration dismiss same. Have seen that happen often :-) hence > > must sound the caution! > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Divya, > > > > > > From what little i can gather from our Purana, Itihasas, > > Upanishads the 2 most talked about issues are fear and favor. when > > we over come these, we are a superior being than we r now. > > > > > > all the rakshasas who did severe penance got great boons close > > to imortality, invincibity and yet had a loophole in the boons > > still suffered from it at ttimes > > > > > > the greatest loophole being their ego once it out grew them boons > > the end was apparent-Vinasha kale vipreetha buddhi. > > > > > > say Narakusara, ravana, shisupala, etc ravana is best > > illustrated when he is asked by Rama a mere mortal to come next day > > when his charriotr was killed, and his charriot broken and ravans > > weapons exhausted a mere mortal gives me a reprive what an > > inviincible warrior Iam this let him down most next day. > > > > > > AS I KNOW 3RD house and all Upachaya houses deal with this acpet > > u said and above all the others too Lagna, 4th 10th in terms of > > personality, strenght of mind, character, and succes in efforts. > > > upachaya i said y'day in a mail u can add them too. > > > > > > rest sure Sri RR ji will add in better style, content than mine > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > It is an interesting thought..... > > > > > > >And perhaps through that exercise we go beyond it and face > > other bigger fears that keep growing over time, over lifetimes? > > > > > > Maybe, since fear is for the future, we have to finally learn > > to live in the present moment. And accept whatever happens. And be > > one with God's will. Seems like all these things are > related ....... > > for achieving that perfect state of equilibrium where nothing > > affects us. > > > > > > Also I feel that whatever we fear, comes to us.....whether we > > want to face it or not. > > > > > > I would request you to add how we should see in a chart, what a > > person fears What is the definition of fear in Jyotish terms. Is it > > a complexity of mind? Is it lack of confidence? Does it arise from > > some unfulfilled desire? Which planets should we associate with it? > > > > > > Lots of questions... ... > > > Do reply. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Divya > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > group but > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Dear Divya Ji I am just a student of astrology like you. And trying to learn from the scholars in this wonderfu group. Astrologers mentioned about 3rd house and Lagna. I think they are for courage. I believe that "Moon" is the karka for fear. All kind of fears exist only in our mind. 3rd house and Langa is how to face these fear. Best Wishes Jagdish crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Not to distract the crowd -- perhaps someone should write about saptavimshamsha varga which is also known as bhamsha which BPHS indicates the chart of strength-weakness. Third house in bhamsha -- perhaps? RR , "Divya" <touchbase_divya wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Jagdishji, > > Maybe you are right. But I just see it differently. > > I feel that the courage you are talking of, is the intermediate step. > After that courage, if the boy wins over the girl (by whatever means - > ring etc), then also he can have fear of losing her if there > is 'moha'. > And I dont think I would categorise throwing of acid as courage. I > think it is hatred and jealousy arising out of fear of losing some > one, which in turn arises from attachment. > > Anyway, the main question was, how to we define fear in Jyotish terms > and what do we see to ascertain the same in someone's chart. > > RRji and Prashantji have given their takes. I really appreciate that. > RRji talked of 3rd and 12 house, Mars and nodes. Prashantji talked of > ego, upachaya houses, lagna, 4th and 10th. > > I would request you to give us your take. If you do not believe fear > can be defined as loss of courage, I request you to tell me how you > would define it. > > Regards, > Divya > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > Dear Divya Ji > > > > We are not on the same page. > > > > You are trying to prove that "Moha" leads to fear. I am saying > that "Moha" makes a person courageous. > > > > See one step ahead Divya Ji, > > > > The boy, if good in nature, will buy a 5000 dollar ring for his > gf (from experience). > > > > The boy, if bad in nature, will throw acid on the face of the > girl ( news papers are the source). > > > > The both above mentioned thing need "courage" to do. > > > > "Fear" is very small intermediate and unstable step > between "Moha" and "Courage". But it does not come in all the cases > and it does not have association with "Moha". > > > > > > > > Hope it explains > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Jagdish > > > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Jagdishji, > > > > You said... > > > Howcome "Moha" leads to loss of courage. > > > > I'd like to give you an example. If a guy has 'moha' for a girl, > wouldn't he have fear of losing her? Even if he has enough courage > (and luck!) to win over the girl, would he not feel possessive and > would that not lead to fear in him (of losing her)? > > > > I am not talking of 'love' here, only 'moha' or attachment. Love, I > feel, should give strength (not fear) as it is complete in itself. > > > > Regards, > > Divya > > > > P.S In one of the Atri-SJC classes (of Pt. Sanjay Rath) that I > attended, he has talked of attachment and love, rajas and satwa guna. > It was class no. 2 (topic - 9th house). The audio and transcription > of this class are available on this new link > http://atrisjc..org in case anyone wants to go through it. > > > > Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest@> wrote: Respected Sir and Divya > Ji, > > > > Everyhouse in the horoscope belongs to 'fear." Fear of not getting > respect, not having money, not having brothers, not having love of > mother, not having kids, marriage, death, GOD, recognition, income > and Moksha. > > > > > > Indeed whole astrology is generated by some very "fearful" rishi > and being continued by some very fearful people like me and others > present in the group. > > > > Otherwise whats the need of knowing the future ? Why cant a human > being accept whatever is given by GOD ? > > > > Howcome "Moha" leads to loss of courage. Many people wants to be > rich and famous. Its moha. To attain their goals they show courage. > Some people get success and some dont. So "moha" is a catalytic agent > for having courage. > > > > 3rd lord and 12th lord can lead to fearfulness ? How ? Any chart > showing that ? > > > > I would really like to have chart showing this. > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Jagdish > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Kumar ji, > > > > Your kindness overestimates this tiny ant, Sir :-) > > > > What more could I say that would really be better than what > > scriptures have said. > > > > Fear is loss of courage. Courage is seen from 3rd house. The house > > that is 12th therefrom is 2nd. 2nd is about accumulatables, > > acquisitions, holdings. Moha in other words, desires, attachments > and > > possessions that may lead to loss of courage (though paradoxically, > > they are also acquired at times by overcoming fear!). > > > > Association of 3rd and 12th may lead to fearfulness. However, if > > strong planets or benefics are involved, the nature of fear may > > change. > > > > Mars indicates bravery and courage and if afflicted may give a > > fearful tendency. Lunar nodes have been associated with phobias > > (extreme, paralyzing fear) and if afflicted and ssociated adversely > > with indicators of courage and bravery may induce fear. > > > > However, I do not wish someone to generalize this and then try to > > apply in a given chart and without taking other factors into > > consideration dismiss same. Have seen that happen often :-) hence > > must sound the caution! > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Divya, > > > > > > From what little i can gather from our Purana, Itihasas, > > Upanishads the 2 most talked about issues are fear and favor. when > > we over come these, we are a superior being than we r now. > > > > > > all the rakshasas who did severe penance got great boons close > > to imortality, invincibity and yet had a loophole in the boons > > still suffered from it at ttimes > > > > > > the greatest loophole being their ego once it out grew them boons > > the end was apparent-Vinasha kale vipreetha buddhi. > > > > > > say Narakusara, ravana, shisupala, etc ravana is best > > illustrated when he is asked by Rama a mere mortal to come next day > > when his charriotr was killed, and his charriot broken and ravans > > weapons exhausted a mere mortal gives me a reprive what an > > inviincible warrior Iam this let him down most next day. > > > > > > AS I KNOW 3RD house and all Upachaya houses deal with this acpet > > u said and above all the others too Lagna, 4th 10th in terms of > > personality, strenght of mind, character, and succes in efforts. > > > upachaya i said y'day in a mail u can add them too. > > > > > > rest sure Sri RR ji will add in better style, content than mine > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > It is an interesting thought..... > > > > > > >And perhaps through that exercise we go beyond it and face > > other bigger fears that keep growing over time, over lifetimes? > > > > > > Maybe, since fear is for the future, we have to finally learn > > to live in the present moment. And accept whatever happens. And be > > one with God's will. Seems like all these things are > related ....... > > for achieving that perfect state of equilibrium where nothing > > affects us. > > > > > > Also I feel that whatever we fear, comes to us.....whether we > > want to face it or not. > > > > > > I would request you to add how we should see in a chart, what a > > person fears What is the definition of fear in Jyotish terms. Is it > > a complexity of mind? Is it lack of confidence? Does it arise from > > some unfulfilled desire? Which planets should we associate with it? > > > > > > Lots of questions... ... > > > Do reply. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Divya > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > group but > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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