Humility & learning lessons of life/Rahu-Ego/Dashadhyayi

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Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

Dashadhyayi is a treasure.When i open it, i will become humble.i will

relaize ,i know no astrology.It will take years for me to master.It

explains the subtilities of almost everything in Jyotish.We will

undersatand the basics.Thalakkulathu Bhattathiri was a scholar in

many subjects,part of uncorrupted Parampara.VarahaMihira is a

Giant.Bhattathiri helps us in understanding his great words.We will

understand the beauty of Sanskrit.

 

Thus translating Dashadhyayi is like a Yajna.One should be

responsible and sincere and should take extreme caution from non

proliferation of improper information.There is a danger as we see

today - students taking anything as Veda Vakya.I will be blessed if

your words are coming true.

 

No wonder Prasnamarga extolls it.

 

''One who attempts to predict without studying the Dasadhyayi would

be like a man trying to cross an ocean without a boat.The author of

Prasna Marga according to B V Raman's "seems to have such a regard

for Dasadyayi that he regards this commentary as a suitable boat for

crossing the grand ocean of astrological knowledge.Dr. Raman explains

further that the author of Dasadhyayi interprets each sloka beyond

its ordinary translations to others as well including the meanings

derived from the numerical equivalent to its letters''.

 

In malayalam we say ''Puka Mara'' - meaning smoke screen as you have

said.Rahu is exactly that creating illusions -Maya.

 

Respect

Pradeep

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> I wish some day you translate Dashaadhyaayi as it is not currently

> available in print. At least not in English language. Prashna

Marga

> speaks very high about it.

>

> Mada does mean the masth of elephant and relates to lust and Rahu

being

> indicator of desires this fits in with his general

characteristics. The

> other meaning intoxicated also suits for similar reasons. Then

there is

> delusion which is also one of the meanings of Mada. That suits

Rahu to a

> "T". rahu being described as Dhumrakara and what can be clearly

seen

> through a smoke screen but illusions?

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > I totally agree with your view.Kindly see my latest post to

Lakshmi

> > ji.Dashadhyayikara is making a brilliant point on the importance

of

> > ''cha'' interpretation.I am aware of the Mada relating to

elephant

> > bull as it is used in our mother tongue as Mada itself.In that

case we

> > can easliy conjoin madashcha with shukra taking clue from

Dashadhyayi.

> > Rahu and Saturn can be equated due to known reasons.

> > Wrong translation as you have said is corrupting this Divine

Shastra.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Mada means to be intoxicated and also refers to secretion

falling from

> > > the temporal glands of a bull elephant in Mast (arousal).

Another

> > > meaning is the feeling of delusion. Wrong translation of words

from

> > > Sanskrit has played more havoc with vedic astrology than

anything else.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > >

> > > > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not have

a sanskrit

> > > > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand

Varahamihira and

> > > > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> > > >

> > > > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar

feeling

> > > > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> > > > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -Madana

Sukha and

> > > > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > > > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include

Rahu/Ketu.

> > > >

> > > > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common

one.How did

> > > > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one

translation

> > > > relating Rahu and Ego.

> > > >

> > > > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed.

However, i

> > > > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which

sets the

> > > > > correct context in which your quote should be interpreted.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend to

rectify

> > > > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me,

Visti (bless

> > > > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4 of

saravali,

> > > > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on

srigaruda.com)

> > > > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > > > >

> > > > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha

väëé|

> > > > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya

duùkham||1||

> > > > >

> > > > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates the

strength,

> > > > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness

respectively, ones

> > > > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of grief.

> > > > >

> > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already

quoted by you)

> > > > >

> > > > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if their

placement

> > > > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets

are weak,

> > > > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn it

is

> > > > > different.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > > > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is strong,

then mind

> > > > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if jupiter

is strong

> > > > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then

one's

> > > > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego

is strong,

> > > > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so because

Saturn

> > > > > gives a different result.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong

Saturn? If

> > > > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > > > >

> > > > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana Varma

mentioned

> > > > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the previous

shloka!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the way

nature and

> > > > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is

impeccable. Here is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > shloka:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman

said. You

> > > > > may

> > > > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line and

ULW

> > > > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I know.

I

> > have not

> > > > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also said

that all

> > > > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets,

whether

> > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of

view and

> > > > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are

strong.

> > How do

> > > > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out of

context?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I also requested you to give the source and context of

your

> > > > > quote.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said, by

principle

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly

accept

> > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your

knowledge and

> > > > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help

wondering why

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the

vision/experience of

> > > > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of the

> > quote....if

> > > > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go

through your

> > > > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert to

you later

> > > > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am

convinced what

> > > > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in

correcting myself.

> > > > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a

student:--))

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do

with what

> > > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not prove

a point.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's

chart Surya

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful

Raj

> > yoga. At

> > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you may

have to

> > > > > think

> > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura. Think

about

> > > > > what it

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring

that it

> > > > > became

> > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at what

> > happened to

> > > > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th

bhava. In each

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the

planets

> > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

previous mail),

> > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people,

and then

> > > > > make

> > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I

said. Did you

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma

of left

> > hand

> > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In Paramhans

> > > > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a planet

in

> > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

exaltation in

> > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam has

already

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri

Aurobindo, I

> > trust

> > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he

was editor

> > > > > of a

> > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft language.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M.

Yogas. Every

> > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed

to it, at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would

all give

> > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with Pancha

> > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

(barring

> > Saturn),

> > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

principles and

> > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

reference to

> > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

respected

> > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

anything that

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it

would be an

> > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I would

of course

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman

that strong

> > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results,

while weak

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about

strong

> > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to

what all the

> > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that

strong

> > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that their

> > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars in

5th house

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H)

and Rahu

> > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

debilitated in

> > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for "vipareetam

shaneH

> > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

placement in the

> > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives good

results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because i

would

> > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that with

> > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

shubha grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years

old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the

second

> > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference between

> > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving

Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad

results

> > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets, even

if

> > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he wouldn't

be

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and

inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is

more

> > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read the

Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

nature bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would

teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

dhanurvidya from

> > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be borne

in mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana,

his

> > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th house

(I

> > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the

10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

death, hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras

(Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in

south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to

Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not

as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of

the dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

promotions and

> > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or so

as that

> > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not

have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu

would

> > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga

after all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha instead

of Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say so

but

> > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa

graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha trikona

and

> > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed to

be

> > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its

home that

> > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

popularly called

> > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is really

> > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at its

most

> > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent water

bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My

father

> > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i

received

> > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing,

Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I

guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were

weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in

Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also

giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies,

so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

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[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

I would like to help you in doing the translation but I think the copy

you have is in Malayalam or Telugu, languages I am not very familiar

with. I am sure if you begin translating, the lord will help you do

justice to the work.

 

It is indeed a great work but many are not aware of its importance as

these days too much focus is on verbatim meaning of texts instead of

trying to learn the underlying principles and philosophy of astrology.

Many new ideas are floated under the garb of Parampara and as you said

the students take it as gospel truth.

 

I am glad to find that rahu is called "Puka Mara"/smoke screen in local

language. This indicates the importance of the native wisdom and how

traditions are still maintained in our land, perhaps, unknowingly. This

gives me great satisfaction as I have always believed that there is

always some deeper astrological, astronomical and economical meaning to

the various local festivals and customs.

 

Take care,

My blessings are always with you.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> Dashadhyayi is a treasure.When i open it, i will become humble.i will

> relaize ,i know no astrology.It will take years for me to master.It

> explains the subtilities of almost everything in Jyotish.We will

> undersatand the basics.Thalakkulathu Bhattathiri was a scholar in

> many subjects,part of uncorrupted Parampara.VarahaMihira is a

> Giant.Bhattathiri helps us in understanding his great words.We will

> understand the beauty of Sanskrit.

>

> Thus translating Dashadhyayi is like a Yajna.One should be

> responsible and sincere and should take extreme caution from non

> proliferation of improper information.There is a danger as we see

> today - students taking anything as Veda Vakya.I will be blessed if

> your words are coming true.

>

> No wonder Prasnamarga extolls it.

>

> ''One who attempts to predict without studying the Dasadhyayi would

> be like a man trying to cross an ocean without a boat.The author of

> Prasna Marga according to B V Raman's "seems to have such a regard

> for Dasadyayi that he regards this commentary as a suitable boat for

> crossing the grand ocean of astrological knowledge.Dr. Raman explains

> further that the author of Dasadhyayi interprets each sloka beyond

> its ordinary translations to others as well including the meanings

> derived from the numerical equivalent to its letters''.

>

> In malayalam we say ''Puka Mara'' - meaning smoke screen as you have

> said.Rahu is exactly that creating illusions -Maya.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > I wish some day you translate Dashaadhyaayi as it is not currently

> > available in print. At least not in English language. Prashna

> Marga

> > speaks very high about it.

> >

> > Mada does mean the masth of elephant and relates to lust and Rahu

> being

> > indicator of desires this fits in with his general

> characteristics. The

> > other meaning intoxicated also suits for similar reasons. Then

> there is

> > delusion which is also one of the meanings of Mada. That suits

> Rahu to a

> > "T". rahu being described as Dhumrakara and what can be clearly

> seen

> > through a smoke screen but illusions?

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > I totally agree with your view.Kindly see my latest post to

> Lakshmi

> > > ji.Dashadhyayikara is making a brilliant point on the importance

> of

> > > ''cha'' interpretation.I am aware of the Mada relating to

> elephant

> > > bull as it is used in our mother tongue as Mada itself.In that

> case we

> > > can easliy conjoin madashcha with shukra taking clue from

> Dashadhyayi.

> > > Rahu and Saturn can be equated due to known reasons.

> > > Wrong translation as you have said is corrupting this Divine

> Shastra.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Mada means to be intoxicated and also refers to secretion

> falling from

> > > > the temporal glands of a bull elephant in Mast (arousal).

> Another

> > > > meaning is the feeling of delusion. Wrong translation of words

> from

> > > > Sanskrit has played more havoc with vedic astrology than

> anything else.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > >

> > > > > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not have

> a sanskrit

> > > > > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand

> Varahamihira and

> > > > > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar

> feeling

> > > > > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> > > > > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -Madana

> Sukha and

> > > > > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > > > > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include

> Rahu/Ketu.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common

> one.How did

> > > > > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one

> translation

> > > > > relating Rahu and Ego.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed.

> However, i

> > > > > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which

> sets the

> > > > > > correct context in which your quote should be interpreted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend to

> rectify

> > > > > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me,

> Visti (bless

> > > > > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4 of

> saravali,

> > > > > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on

> srigaruda.com)

> > > > > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha

> väëé|

> > > > > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya

> duùkham||1||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates the

> strength,

> > > > > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness

> respectively, ones

> > > > > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of grief.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already

> quoted by you)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if their

> placement

> > > > > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets

> are weak,

> > > > > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn it

> is

> > > > > > different.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > > > > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is strong,

> then mind

> > > > > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if jupiter

> is strong

> > > > > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then

> one's

> > > > > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego

> is strong,

> > > > > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so because

> Saturn

> > > > > > gives a different result.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong

> Saturn? If

> > > > > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana Varma

> mentioned

> > > > > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the previous

> shloka!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the way

> nature and

> > > > > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is

> impeccable. Here is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > shloka:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman

> said. You

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line and

> ULW

> > > > > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I know.

> I

> > > have not

> > > > > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also said

> that all

> > > > > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets,

> whether

> > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of

> view and

> > > > > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are

> strong.

> > > How do

> > > > > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out of

> context?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I also requested you to give the source and context of

> your

> > > > > > quote.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said, by

> principle

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly

> accept

> > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your

> knowledge and

> > > > > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help

> wondering why

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the

> vision/experience of

> > > > > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of the

> > > quote....if

> > > > > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go

> through your

> > > > > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert to

> you later

> > > > > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am

> convinced what

> > > > > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in

> correcting myself.

> > > > > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a

> student:--))

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do

> with what

> > > > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not prove

> a point.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's

> chart Surya

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful

> Raj

> > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you may

> have to

> > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura. Think

> about

> > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring

> that it

> > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at what

> > > happened to

> > > > > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th

> bhava. In each

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the

> planets

> > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> previous mail),

> > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people,

> and then

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I

> said. Did you

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma

> of left

> > > hand

> > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In Paramhans

> > > > > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a planet

> in

> > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

> exaltation in

> > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam has

> already

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri

> Aurobindo, I

> > > trust

> > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he

> was editor

> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft language.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M.

> Yogas. Every

> > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed

> to it, at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would

> all give

> > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with Pancha

> > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

> (barring

> > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> principles and

> > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> reference to

> > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

> respected

> > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

> anything that

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it

> would be an

> > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I would

> of course

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman

> that strong

> > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results,

> while weak

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about

> strong

> > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to

> what all the

> > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that

> strong

> > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that their

> > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars in

> 5th house

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H)

> and Rahu

> > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> debilitated in

> > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for "vipareetam

> shaneH

> > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> placement in the

> > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives good

> results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because i

> would

> > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

> shubha grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years

> old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the

> second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving

> Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad

> results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets, even

> if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he wouldn't

> be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and

> inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is

> more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read the

> Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

> nature bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would

> teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> dhanurvidya from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be borne

> in mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana,

> his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th house

> (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the

> 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

> death, hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras

> (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in

> south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

> digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to

> Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not

> as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of

> the dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> promotions and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or so

> as that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not

> have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu

> would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

> guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga

> after all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha instead

> of Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say so

> but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa

> graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha trikona

> and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed to

> be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its

> home that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> popularly called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at its

> most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent water

> bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My

> father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i

> received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing,

> Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I

> guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were

> weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in

> Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also

> giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

> heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies,

> so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

Your guidance towards right direction has always been a blessing.I am

thankful for the help offered.Yes the work is in Malayalam.Sanskrit

Shlokas are printed in malayalam lipi.But your experience and scholar

is above language barriers.

 

Regarding Puka Mara ,i was just trying to relate Rahu with it it

taking clues from your smoke screen usage.Rahu and smoke are mentioned

in Puranas.Puka Mara and Rahu were not directly related.But after your

comments on floklore i some how get a feeling that there may be a

reference somewhere!!

 

It is difficult to find info on Rahu Ketu.Late Prof .Muthuswamy in his

malayalam translation of BPHS says ,Rahu Ketu are mentioned as

Papagrahas/Chaya but then later on while discussing grahas they are

not included.He says in many texts including Phaladeepika such is the

case.Thus it points to their chaaya nature and purview outside the

7,is my feeling.

 

Today got a chance to read on Yakshas,Makara,Makara rashi etc and

feels that Dragon/Rahu is having a universal presence in many

mythologies-Chinese/Iranian.Feel like reading more on

Yakshagana,Kinnara ,Gandharvas,Nagas to udnerstand Rahu/Ketu.Kindly

give references if we can know more about Chaya Grahas.

 

Respect

Pradeep

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> I would like to help you in doing the translation but I think the copy

> you have is in Malayalam or Telugu, languages I am not very familiar

> with. I am sure if you begin translating, the lord will help you do

> justice to the work.

>

> It is indeed a great work but many are not aware of its importance as

> these days too much focus is on verbatim meaning of texts instead of

> trying to learn the underlying principles and philosophy of astrology.

> Many new ideas are floated under the garb of Parampara and as you said

> the students take it as gospel truth.

>

> I am glad to find that rahu is called "Puka Mara"/smoke screen in local

> language. This indicates the importance of the native wisdom and how

> traditions are still maintained in our land, perhaps, unknowingly. This

> gives me great satisfaction as I have always believed that there is

> always some deeper astrological, astronomical and economical meaning to

> the various local festivals and customs.

>

> Take care,

> My blessings are always with you.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > Dashadhyayi is a treasure.When i open it, i will become humble.i will

> > relaize ,i know no astrology.It will take years for me to master.It

> > explains the subtilities of almost everything in Jyotish.We will

> > undersatand the basics.Thalakkulathu Bhattathiri was a scholar in

> > many subjects,part of uncorrupted Parampara.VarahaMihira is a

> > Giant.Bhattathiri helps us in understanding his great words.We will

> > understand the beauty of Sanskrit.

> >

> > Thus translating Dashadhyayi is like a Yajna.One should be

> > responsible and sincere and should take extreme caution from non

> > proliferation of improper information.There is a danger as we see

> > today - students taking anything as Veda Vakya.I will be blessed if

> > your words are coming true.

> >

> > No wonder Prasnamarga extolls it.

> >

> > ''One who attempts to predict without studying the Dasadhyayi would

> > be like a man trying to cross an ocean without a boat.The author of

> > Prasna Marga according to B V Raman's "seems to have such a regard

> > for Dasadyayi that he regards this commentary as a suitable boat for

> > crossing the grand ocean of astrological knowledge.Dr. Raman explains

> > further that the author of Dasadhyayi interprets each sloka beyond

> > its ordinary translations to others as well including the meanings

> > derived from the numerical equivalent to its letters''.

> >

> > In malayalam we say ''Puka Mara'' - meaning smoke screen as you have

> > said.Rahu is exactly that creating illusions -Maya.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I wish some day you translate Dashaadhyaayi as it is not currently

> > > available in print. At least not in English language. Prashna

> > Marga

> > > speaks very high about it.

> > >

> > > Mada does mean the masth of elephant and relates to lust and Rahu

> > being

> > > indicator of desires this fits in with his general

> > characteristics. The

> > > other meaning intoxicated also suits for similar reasons. Then

> > there is

> > > delusion which is also one of the meanings of Mada. That suits

> > Rahu to a

> > > "T". rahu being described as Dhumrakara and what can be clearly

> > seen

> > > through a smoke screen but illusions?

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >

> > > > I totally agree with your view.Kindly see my latest post to

> > Lakshmi

> > > > ji.Dashadhyayikara is making a brilliant point on the importance

> > of

> > > > ''cha'' interpretation.I am aware of the Mada relating to

> > elephant

> > > > bull as it is used in our mother tongue as Mada itself.In that

> > case we

> > > > can easliy conjoin madashcha with shukra taking clue from

> > Dashadhyayi.

> > > > Rahu and Saturn can be equated due to known reasons.

> > > > Wrong translation as you have said is corrupting this Divine

> > Shastra.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > Mada means to be intoxicated and also refers to secretion

> > falling from

> > > > > the temporal glands of a bull elephant in Mast (arousal).

> > Another

> > > > > meaning is the feeling of delusion. Wrong translation of words

> > from

> > > > > Sanskrit has played more havoc with vedic astrology than

> > anything else.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not have

> > a sanskrit

> > > > > > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand

> > Varahamihira and

> > > > > > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar

> > feeling

> > > > > > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> > > > > > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -Madana

> > Sukha and

> > > > > > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > > > > > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include

> > Rahu/Ketu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common

> > one.How did

> > > > > > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one

> > translation

> > > > > > relating Rahu and Ego.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed.

> > However, i

> > > > > > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which

> > sets the

> > > > > > > correct context in which your quote should be interpreted.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend to

> > rectify

> > > > > > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me,

> > Visti (bless

> > > > > > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4 of

> > saravali,

> > > > > > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on

> > srigaruda.com)

> > > > > > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha

> > väëé|

> > > > > > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya

> > duùkham||1||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates the

> > strength,

> > > > > > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness

> > respectively, ones

> > > > > > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of grief.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already

> > quoted by you)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if their

> > placement

> > > > > > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets

> > are weak,

> > > > > > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn it

> > is

> > > > > > > different.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > > > > > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is strong,

> > then mind

> > > > > > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if jupiter

> > is strong

> > > > > > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then

> > one's

> > > > > > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego

> > is strong,

> > > > > > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so because

> > Saturn

> > > > > > > gives a different result.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong

> > Saturn? If

> > > > > > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana Varma

> > mentioned

> > > > > > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the previous

> > shloka!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the way

> > nature and

> > > > > > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is

> > impeccable. Here is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > shloka:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman

> > said. You

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line and

> > ULW

> > > > > > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > > > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I know.

> > I

> > > > have not

> > > > > > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also said

> > that all

> > > > > > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets,

> > whether

> > > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of

> > view and

> > > > > > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are

> > strong.

> > > > How do

> > > > > > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out of

> > context?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I also requested you to give the source and context of

> > your

> > > > > > > quote.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said, by

> > principle

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly

> > accept

> > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your

> > knowledge and

> > > > > > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help

> > wondering why

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the

> > vision/experience of

> > > > > > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of the

> > > > quote....if

> > > > > > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go

> > through your

> > > > > > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert to

> > you later

> > > > > > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am

> > convinced what

> > > > > > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in

> > correcting myself.

> > > > > > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a

> > student:--))

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do

> > with what

> > > > > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not prove

> > a point.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's

> > chart Surya

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful

> > Raj

> > > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you may

> > have to

> > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura. Think

> > about

> > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring

> > that it

> > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at what

> > > > happened to

> > > > > > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th

> > bhava. In each

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the

> > planets

> > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> > previous mail),

> > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people,

> > and then

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I

> > said. Did you

> > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma

> > of left

> > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In Paramhans

> > > > > > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a planet

> > in

> > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

> > exaltation in

> > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam has

> > already

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri

> > Aurobindo, I

> > > > trust

> > > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he

> > was editor

> > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft language.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M.

> > Yogas. Every

> > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed

> > to it, at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would

> > all give

> > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with Pancha

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

> > (barring

> > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > principles and

> > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> > reference to

> > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

> > respected

> > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

> > anything that

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it

> > would be an

> > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I would

> > of course

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman

> > that strong

> > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results,

> > while weak

> > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about

> > strong

> > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to

> > what all the

> > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that

> > strong

> > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that their

> > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars in

> > 5th house

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H)

> > and Rahu

> > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > debilitated in

> > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for "vipareetam

> > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > placement in the

> > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives good

> > results.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because i

> > would

> > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

> > shubha grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years

> > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the

> > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving

> > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad

> > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets, even

> > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he wouldn't

> > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and

> > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is

> > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read the

> > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

> > nature bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would

> > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > dhanurvidya from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be borne

> > in mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana,

> > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th house

> > (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the

> > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

> > death, hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras

> > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in

> > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

> > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to

> > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not

> > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of

> > the dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> > promotions and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or so

> > as that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not

> > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu

> > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

> > guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga

> > after all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha instead

> > of Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say so

> > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa

> > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha trikona

> > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed to

> > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its

> > home that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > popularly called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at its

> > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent water

> > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My

> > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i

> > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing,

> > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I

> > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were

> > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in

> > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also

> > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

> > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies,

> > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

I shall send you some less know shlokas about the swarupa of Rahu and

Ketu and their results in eclipse after some time, when I am free.

That is a promise.

Chandrashekhar.

 

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> Your guidance towards right direction has always been a blessing.I am

> thankful for the help offered.Yes the work is in Malayalam.Sanskrit

> Shlokas are printed in malayalam lipi.But your experience and scholar

> is above language barriers.

>

> Regarding Puka Mara ,i was just trying to relate Rahu with it it

> taking clues from your smoke screen usage.Rahu and smoke are mentioned

> in Puranas.Puka Mara and Rahu were not directly related.But after your

> comments on floklore i some how get a feeling that there may be a

> reference somewhere!!

>

> It is difficult to find info on Rahu Ketu.Late Prof .Muthuswamy in his

> malayalam translation of BPHS says ,Rahu Ketu are mentioned as

> Papagrahas/Chaya but then later on while discussing grahas they are

> not included.He says in many texts including Phaladeepika such is the

> case.Thus it points to their chaaya nature and purview outside the

> 7,is my feeling.

>

> Today got a chance to read on Yakshas,Makara,Makara rashi etc and

> feels that Dragon/Rahu is having a universal presence in many

> mythologies-Chinese/Iranian.Feel like reading more on

> Yakshagana,Kinnara ,Gandharvas,Nagas to udnerstand Rahu/Ketu.Kindly

> give references if we can know more about Chaya Grahas.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > I would like to help you in doing the translation but I think the copy

> > you have is in Malayalam or Telugu, languages I am not very familiar

> > with. I am sure if you begin translating, the lord will help you do

> > justice to the work.

> >

> > It is indeed a great work but many are not aware of its importance as

> > these days too much focus is on verbatim meaning of texts instead of

> > trying to learn the underlying principles and philosophy of astrology.

> > Many new ideas are floated under the garb of Parampara and as you said

> > the students take it as gospel truth.

> >

> > I am glad to find that rahu is called "Puka Mara"/smoke screen in local

> > language. This indicates the importance of the native wisdom and how

> > traditions are still maintained in our land, perhaps, unknowingly. This

> > gives me great satisfaction as I have always believed that there is

> > always some deeper astrological, astronomical and economical meaning to

> > the various local festivals and customs.

> >

> > Take care,

> > My blessings are always with you.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > Dashadhyayi is a treasure.When i open it, i will become humble.i will

> > > relaize ,i know no astrology.It will take years for me to master.It

> > > explains the subtilities of almost everything in Jyotish.We will

> > > undersatand the basics.Thalakkulathu Bhattathiri was a scholar in

> > > many subjects,part of uncorrupted Parampara.VarahaMihira is a

> > > Giant.Bhattathiri helps us in understanding his great words.We will

> > > understand the beauty of Sanskrit.

> > >

> > > Thus translating Dashadhyayi is like a Yajna.One should be

> > > responsible and sincere and should take extreme caution from non

> > > proliferation of improper information.There is a danger as we see

> > > today - students taking anything as Veda Vakya.I will be blessed if

> > > your words are coming true.

> > >

> > > No wonder Prasnamarga extolls it.

> > >

> > > ''One who attempts to predict without studying the Dasadhyayi would

> > > be like a man trying to cross an ocean without a boat.The author of

> > > Prasna Marga according to B V Raman's "seems to have such a regard

> > > for Dasadyayi that he regards this commentary as a suitable boat for

> > > crossing the grand ocean of astrological knowledge.Dr. Raman explains

> > > further that the author of Dasadhyayi interprets each sloka beyond

> > > its ordinary translations to others as well including the meanings

> > > derived from the numerical equivalent to its letters''.

> > >

> > > In malayalam we say ''Puka Mara'' - meaning smoke screen as you have

> > > said.Rahu is exactly that creating illusions -Maya.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > I wish some day you translate Dashaadhyaayi as it is not currently

> > > > available in print. At least not in English language. Prashna

> > > Marga

> > > > speaks very high about it.

> > > >

> > > > Mada does mean the masth of elephant and relates to lust and Rahu

> > > being

> > > > indicator of desires this fits in with his general

> > > characteristics. The

> > > > other meaning intoxicated also suits for similar reasons. Then

> > > there is

> > > > delusion which is also one of the meanings of Mada. That suits

> > > Rahu to a

> > > > "T". rahu being described as Dhumrakara and what can be clearly

> > > seen

> > > > through a smoke screen but illusions?

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I totally agree with your view.Kindly see my latest post to

> > > Lakshmi

> > > > > ji.Dashadhyayikara is making a brilliant point on the importance

> > > of

> > > > > ''cha'' interpretation.I am aware of the Mada relating to

> > > elephant

> > > > > bull as it is used in our mother tongue as Mada itself.In that

> > > case we

> > > > > can easliy conjoin madashcha with shukra taking clue from

> > > Dashadhyayi.

> > > > > Rahu and Saturn can be equated due to known reasons.

> > > > > Wrong translation as you have said is corrupting this Divine

> > > Shastra.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respect

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mada means to be intoxicated and also refers to secretion

> > > falling from

> > > > > > the temporal glands of a bull elephant in Mast (arousal).

> > > Another

> > > > > > meaning is the feeling of delusion. Wrong translation of words

> > > from

> > > > > > Sanskrit has played more havoc with vedic astrology than

> > > anything else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not have

> > > a sanskrit

> > > > > > > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand

> > > Varahamihira and

> > > > > > > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar

> > > feeling

> > > > > > > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> > > > > > > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -Madana

> > > Sukha and

> > > > > > > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > > > > > > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include

> > > Rahu/Ketu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common

> > > one.How did

> > > > > > > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one

> > > translation

> > > > > > > relating Rahu and Ego.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed.

> > > However, i

> > > > > > > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which

> > > sets the

> > > > > > > > correct context in which your quote should be interpreted.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend to

> > > rectify

> > > > > > > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me,

> > > Visti (bless

> > > > > > > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4 of

> > > saravali,

> > > > > > > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on

> > > srigaruda.com)

> > > > > > > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha

> > > väëé|

> > > > > > > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya

> > > duùkham||1||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates the

> > > strength,

> > > > > > > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness

> > > respectively, ones

> > > > > > > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of grief.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already

> > > quoted by you)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if their

> > > placement

> > > > > > > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets

> > > are weak,

> > > > > > > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn it

> > > is

> > > > > > > > different.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > > > > > > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is strong,

> > > then mind

> > > > > > > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if jupiter

> > > is strong

> > > > > > > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then

> > > one's

> > > > > > > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego

> > > is strong,

> > > > > > > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so because

> > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > gives a different result.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong

> > > Saturn? If

> > > > > > > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana Varma

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the previous

> > > shloka!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the way

> > > nature and

> > > > > > > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is

> > > impeccable. Here is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > shloka:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman

> > > said. You

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line and

> > > ULW

> > > > > > > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > > > > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I know.

> > > I

> > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also said

> > > that all

> > > > > > > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets,

> > > whether

> > > > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of

> > > view and

> > > > > > > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are

> > > strong.

> > > > > How do

> > > > > > > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out of

> > > context?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I also requested you to give the source and context of

> > > your

> > > > > > > > quote.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said, by

> > > principle

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly

> > > accept

> > > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your

> > > knowledge and

> > > > > > > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help

> > > wondering why

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the

> > > vision/experience of

> > > > > > > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of the

> > > > > quote....if

> > > > > > > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go

> > > through your

> > > > > > > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert to

> > > you later

> > > > > > > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am

> > > convinced what

> > > > > > > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in

> > > correcting myself.

> > > > > > > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a

> > > student:--))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do

> > > with what

> > > > > > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not prove

> > > a point.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's

> > > chart Surya

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful

> > > Raj

> > > > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you may

> > > have to

> > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura. Think

> > > about

> > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring

> > > that it

> > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at what

> > > > > happened to

> > > > > > > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th

> > > bhava. In each

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the

> > > planets

> > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> > > previous mail),

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people,

> > > and then

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I

> > > said. Did you

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma

> > > of left

> > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In Paramhans

> > > > > > > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a planet

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

> > > exaltation in

> > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam has

> > > already

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri

> > > Aurobindo, I

> > > > > trust

> > > > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he

> > > was editor

> > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft language.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M.

> > > Yogas. Every

> > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed

> > > to it, at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would

> > > all give

> > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with Pancha

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

> > > (barring

> > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > > principles and

> > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> > > reference to

> > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

> > > respected

> > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

> > > anything that

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it

> > > would be an

> > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I would

> > > of course

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman

> > > that strong

> > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results,

> > > while weak

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about

> > > strong

> > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to

> > > what all the

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that

> > > strong

> > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that their

> > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars in

> > > 5th house

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H)

> > > and Rahu

> > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > debilitated in

> > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for "vipareetam

> > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > > placement in the

> > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives good

> > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because i

> > > would

> > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

> > > shubha grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years

> > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the

> > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving

> > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad

> > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets, even

> > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he wouldn't

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and

> > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is

> > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read the

> > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

> > > nature bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would

> > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > dhanurvidya from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be borne

> > > in mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana,

> > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th house

> > > (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the

> > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

> > > death, hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras

> > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in

> > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

> > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to

> > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not

> > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of

> > > the dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> > > promotions and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or so

> > > as that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not

> > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu

> > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

> > > guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga

> > > after all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha instead

> > > of Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say so

> > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa

> > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha trikona

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed to

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its

> > > home that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > > popularly called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at its

> > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent water

> > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My

> > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i

> > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing,

> > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I

> > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were

> > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in

> > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also

> > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

> > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies,

> > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

Thanks a lot .Please take your time and forward at leisure.

 

Respect

Pradeep, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

> I shall send you some less know shlokas about the swarupa of Rahu and

> Ketu and their results in eclipse after some time, when I am free.

> That is a promise.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > Your guidance towards right direction has always been a blessing.I am

> > thankful for the help offered.Yes the work is in Malayalam.Sanskrit

> > Shlokas are printed in malayalam lipi.But your experience and scholar

> > is above language barriers.

> >

> > Regarding Puka Mara ,i was just trying to relate Rahu with it it

> > taking clues from your smoke screen usage.Rahu and smoke are mentioned

> > in Puranas.Puka Mara and Rahu were not directly related.But after your

> > comments on floklore i some how get a feeling that there may be a

> > reference somewhere!!

> >

> > It is difficult to find info on Rahu Ketu.Late Prof .Muthuswamy in his

> > malayalam translation of BPHS says ,Rahu Ketu are mentioned as

> > Papagrahas/Chaya but then later on while discussing grahas they are

> > not included.He says in many texts including Phaladeepika such is the

> > case.Thus it points to their chaaya nature and purview outside the

> > 7,is my feeling.

> >

> > Today got a chance to read on Yakshas,Makara,Makara rashi etc and

> > feels that Dragon/Rahu is having a universal presence in many

> > mythologies-Chinese/Iranian.Feel like reading more on

> > Yakshagana,Kinnara ,Gandharvas,Nagas to udnerstand Rahu/Ketu.Kindly

> > give references if we can know more about Chaya Grahas.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I would like to help you in doing the translation but I think

the copy

> > > you have is in Malayalam or Telugu, languages I am not very

familiar

> > > with. I am sure if you begin translating, the lord will help you do

> > > justice to the work.

> > >

> > > It is indeed a great work but many are not aware of its

importance as

> > > these days too much focus is on verbatim meaning of texts

instead of

> > > trying to learn the underlying principles and philosophy of

astrology.

> > > Many new ideas are floated under the garb of Parampara and as

you said

> > > the students take it as gospel truth.

> > >

> > > I am glad to find that rahu is called "Puka Mara"/smoke screen

in local

> > > language. This indicates the importance of the native wisdom

and how

> > > traditions are still maintained in our land, perhaps,

unknowingly. This

> > > gives me great satisfaction as I have always believed that there is

> > > always some deeper astrological, astronomical and economical

meaning to

> > > the various local festivals and customs.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > My blessings are always with you.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >

> > > > Dashadhyayi is a treasure.When i open it, i will become

humble.i will

> > > > relaize ,i know no astrology.It will take years for me to

master.It

> > > > explains the subtilities of almost everything in Jyotish.We will

> > > > undersatand the basics.Thalakkulathu Bhattathiri was a scholar in

> > > > many subjects,part of uncorrupted Parampara.VarahaMihira is a

> > > > Giant.Bhattathiri helps us in understanding his great

words.We will

> > > > understand the beauty of Sanskrit.

> > > >

> > > > Thus translating Dashadhyayi is like a Yajna.One should be

> > > > responsible and sincere and should take extreme caution from non

> > > > proliferation of improper information.There is a danger as we see

> > > > today - students taking anything as Veda Vakya.I will be

blessed if

> > > > your words are coming true.

> > > >

> > > > No wonder Prasnamarga extolls it.

> > > >

> > > > ''One who attempts to predict without studying the Dasadhyayi

would

> > > > be like a man trying to cross an ocean without a boat.The

author of

> > > > Prasna Marga according to B V Raman's "seems to have such a

regard

> > > > for Dasadyayi that he regards this commentary as a suitable

boat for

> > > > crossing the grand ocean of astrological knowledge.Dr. Raman

explains

> > > > further that the author of Dasadhyayi interprets each sloka

beyond

> > > > its ordinary translations to others as well including the

meanings

> > > > derived from the numerical equivalent to its letters''.

> > > >

> > > > In malayalam we say ''Puka Mara'' - meaning smoke screen as

you have

> > > > said.Rahu is exactly that creating illusions -Maya.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish some day you translate Dashaadhyaayi as it is not

currently

> > > > > available in print. At least not in English language. Prashna

> > > > Marga

> > > > > speaks very high about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mada does mean the masth of elephant and relates to lust

and Rahu

> > > > being

> > > > > indicator of desires this fits in with his general

> > > > characteristics. The

> > > > > other meaning intoxicated also suits for similar reasons. Then

> > > > there is

> > > > > delusion which is also one of the meanings of Mada. That suits

> > > > Rahu to a

> > > > > "T". rahu being described as Dhumrakara and what can be clearly

> > > > seen

> > > > > through a smoke screen but illusions?

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I totally agree with your view.Kindly see my latest post to

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > ji.Dashadhyayikara is making a brilliant point on the

importance

> > > > of

> > > > > > ''cha'' interpretation.I am aware of the Mada relating to

> > > > elephant

> > > > > > bull as it is used in our mother tongue as Mada itself.In

that

> > > > case we

> > > > > > can easliy conjoin madashcha with shukra taking clue from

> > > > Dashadhyayi.

> > > > > > Rahu and Saturn can be equated due to known reasons.

> > > > > > Wrong translation as you have said is corrupting this Divine

> > > > Shastra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respect

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mada means to be intoxicated and also refers to secretion

> > > > falling from

> > > > > > > the temporal glands of a bull elephant in Mast (arousal).

> > > > Another

> > > > > > > meaning is the feeling of delusion. Wrong translation

of words

> > > > from

> > > > > > > Sanskrit has played more havoc with vedic astrology than

> > > > anything else.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do

not have

> > > > a sanskrit

> > > > > > > > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand

> > > > Varahamihira and

> > > > > > > > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie

similar

> > > > feeling

> > > > > > > > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> > > > > > > > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus

-Madana

> > > > Sukha and

> > > > > > > > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > > > > > > > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include

> > > > Rahu/Ketu.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common

> > > > one.How did

> > > > > > > > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one

> > > > translation

> > > > > > > > relating Rahu and Ego.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

"b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed.

> > > > However, i

> > > > > > > > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which

> > > > sets the

> > > > > > > > > correct context in which your quote should be

interpreted.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i

intend to

> > > > rectify

> > > > > > > > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me,

> > > > Visti (bless

> > > > > > > > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from

chapter 4 of

> > > > saravali,

> > > > > > > > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on

> > > > srigaruda.com)

> > > > > > > > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù

çaçijo'tha

> > > > väëé|

> > > > > > > > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya

> > > > duùkham||1||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars

indicates the

> > > > strength,

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness

> > > > respectively, ones

> > > > > > > > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of

grief.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already

> > > > quoted by you)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong

if their

> > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets

> > > > are weak,

> > > > > > > > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of

Saturn it

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > different.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > > > > > > > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is

strong,

> > > > then mind

> > > > > > > > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if

jupiter

> > > > is strong

> > > > > > > > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then

> > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then

one's ego

> > > > is strong,

> > > > > > > > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so

because

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > gives a different result.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong

> > > > Saturn? If

> > > > > > > > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that

Kalyana Varma

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the

previous

> > > > shloka!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about

the way

> > > > nature and

> > > > > > > > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is

> > > > impeccable. Here is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > shloka:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan

Varman

> > > > said. You

> > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd

line and

> > > > ULW

> > > > > > > > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > > > > > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones)

I know.

> > > > I

> > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but

also said

> > > > that all

> > > > > > > > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong

planets,

> > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of

> > > > view and

> > > > > > > > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are

> > > > strong.

> > > > > > How do

> > > > > > > > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are

out of

> > > > context?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I also requested you to give the source and

context of

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > > quote.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have

said, by

> > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly

> > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your

> > > > knowledge and

> > > > > > > > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help

> > > > wondering why

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the

> > > > vision/experience of

> > > > > > > > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference

of the

> > > > > > quote....if

> > > > > > > > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go

> > > > through your

> > > > > > > > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and

revert to

> > > > you later

> > > > > > > > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am

> > > > convinced what

> > > > > > > > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in

> > > > correcting myself.

> > > > > > > > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a

> > > > student:--))

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing

to do

> > > > with what

> > > > > > > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does

not prove

> > > > a point.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's

> > > > chart Surya

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

powerful

> > > > Raj

> > > > > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived,

you may

> > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as

Mahakrura. Think

> > > > about

> > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

declaring

> > > > that it

> > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look

at what

> > > > > > happened to

> > > > > > > > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th

> > > > bhava. In each

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava

that the

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> > > > previous mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

people,

> > > > and then

> > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I

> > > > said. Did you

> > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

sarcoma

> > > > of left

> > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his

chart, in

> > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In

Paramhans

> > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a

planet

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

> > > > exaltation in

> > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

smritam has

> > > > already

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri

> > > > Aurobindo, I

> > > > > > trust

> > > > > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he

> > > > was editor

> > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

language.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M.

> > > > Yogas. Every

> > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

attributed

> > > > to it, at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they

would

> > > > all give

> > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with

Pancha

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

> > > > (barring

> > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > > > principles and

> > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> > > > reference to

> > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

> > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

> > > > anything that

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it

> > > > would be an

> > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I

would

> > > > of course

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman

> > > > that strong

> > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results,

> > > > while weak

> > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree

about

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to

> > > > what all the

> > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find

that

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor

that their

> > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and

mars in

> > > > 5th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H)

> > > > and Rahu

> > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > > debilitated in

> > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for

"vipareetam

> > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > > > placement in the

> > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn

gives good

> > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

because i

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is,

that with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

> > > > shubha grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years

> > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

notice the

> > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference

between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is

giving

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad

> > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong

planets, even

> > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

wouldn't

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and

> > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to

read the

> > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

> > > > nature bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama

would

> > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > > dhanurvidya from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana.

Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to

be borne

> > > > in mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

Duryodhana,

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from

8th house

> > > > (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural

zodiac, the

> > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

> > > > death, hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

Rudras

> > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in

> > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

> > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to

> > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma

and not

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of

> > > > the dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> > > > promotions and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that

time. It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9

or so

> > > > as that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not

> > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and

Rahu

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

> > > > guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga

> > > > after all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

instead

> > > > of Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I

say so

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct

a papa

> > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

trikona

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

claimed to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th)

and its

> > > > home that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > > > popularly called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is

really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be

at its

> > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not

represent water

> > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My

> > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great

and i

> > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing,

> > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I

> > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun

were

> > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but

being in

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also

> > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

> > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water

bodies,

> > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best

spam

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> > > > > > > > > > > around

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database:

> > > > 268.11.7/435 -

> > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8/31/2006

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