Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 om gurave namah! dear vistiji, i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two or more malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long period....say conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in 1979. similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting is from aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such cases people born under a particular lagna will have same house afflicted. does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the intensity of the shrapa. also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect that partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal curse?? --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha dristi > from > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is > more > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > 12 September 2006 12:16 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > OM > Dear Guruji, > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > suffering that > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > - > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > @ <> > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Sir, Namaskar > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > though. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > _____ > > @ <> > > [] On Behalf Of Narender > mahendra > 12 September 2006 10:32 > @ <> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> > com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > shaapa where a person is > > cursing you. > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > from a graha shaapa. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <%40> > > > [@ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > @ <%40> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > "bhava > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > of > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > either get married or causes > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > marriage. > > > Is that not what your > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > circumstances. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> > com/> > com/> > > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > [@ > > <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > you both are talking about > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > i.e., > > > where the cursed planet > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > the > > > circumstances that > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > malefics having graha > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > 7th > > > house in both rasi > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > under > > > the influence of two > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > under > > > the gaze of two > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > (Sani > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > malefic influences while > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > usually > > > indicates a widow. > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > Mangal > > > itself, it shows that > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > Sani, > > > the latter is > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > mother-like person who will > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > and the engagement was > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > latent > > > in this situation have > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > relatively unscathed > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > Chandi patha under a > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > Me > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > best regards > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > of the cursed planet also > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > to > > > the bhava where the > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > this > > > bhava shows the issue > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > issue > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > house). The whole problem > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > for her own son and for > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > the > > > throne would still > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > have arisen. > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > cannot say that the results > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > === message truncated === > > > ________ > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> / > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Twinkle, Namaskar The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa in addition with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, dual, movable navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to understand the exact past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of the karmic-experience. Your second question is abit unclear to me. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya 13 September 2006 10:30 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji om gurave namah! dear vistiji, i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two or more malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long period....say conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in 1979. similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting is from aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such cases people born under a particular lagna will have same house afflicted. does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the intensity of the shrapa. also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect that partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal curse?? --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha dristi > from > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is > more > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > 12 September 2006 12:16 > @ <%40> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > OM > Dear Guruji, > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > suffering that > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > - > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > @ <@ <%40> > > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Sir, Namaskar > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > though. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > > _____ > > @ <@ <%40> > > > [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of Narender > mahendra > 12 September 2006 10:32 > @ <@ <%40> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> > com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > shaapa where a person is > > cursing you. > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > from a graha shaapa. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <%40> > > > [@ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > @ <%40> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > "bhava > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > of > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > either get married or causes > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > marriage. > > > Is that not what your > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > circumstances. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> > com/> > > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > [@ > > <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > you both are talking about > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > i.e., > > > where the cursed planet > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > the > > > circumstances that > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > malefics having graha > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > 7th > > > house in both rasi > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > under > > > the influence of two > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > under > > > the gaze of two > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > (Sani > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > malefic influences while > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > usually > > > indicates a widow. > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > Mangal > > > itself, it shows that > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > Sani, > > > the latter is > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > mother-like person who will > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > and the engagement was > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > latent > > > in this situation have > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > relatively unscathed > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > Chandi patha under a > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > Me > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > best regards > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > of the cursed planet also > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > to > > > the bhava where the > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > this > > > bhava shows the issue > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > issue > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > house). The whole problem > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > for her own son and for > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > the > > > throne would still > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > have arisen. > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > cannot say that the results > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > === message truncated === > > > ________ > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > http://in.answers. <http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> /> / > > > > > > http://mail. <> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 !Om Gurveh namah! Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava Shaap most effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there throughout life. Let me know when you get a moment. Warm regards, Pranav Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Twinkle, Namaskar The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa in addition with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, dual, movable navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to understand the exact past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of the karmic-experience. Your second question is abit unclear to me. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** [] On Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya 13 September 2006 10:30 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji om gurave namah! dear vistiji, i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two or more malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long period....say conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in 1979. similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting is from aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such cases people born under a particular lagna will have same house afflicted. does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the intensity of the shrapa. also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect that partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal curse?? --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha dristi > from > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is > more > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > 12 September 2006 12:16 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > OM > Dear Guruji, > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > suffering that > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > - > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > @ <> > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Sir, Namaskar > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > though. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > _____ > > @ <> > > [] On Behalf Of Narender > mahendra > 12 September 2006 10:32 > @ <> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> > com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > shaapa where a person is > > cursing you. > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > from a graha shaapa. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <%40> > > > [@ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > @ <%40> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > "bhava > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > of > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > either get married or causes > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > marriage. > > > Is that not what your > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > circumstances. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> > com/> > com/> > > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > [@ > > <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > you both are talking about > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > i.e., > > > where the cursed planet > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > the > > > circumstances that > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > malefics having graha > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > 7th > > > house in both rasi > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > under > > > the influence of two > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > under > > > the gaze of two > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > (Sani > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > malefic influences while > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > usually > > > indicates a widow. > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > Mangal > > > itself, it shows that > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > Sani, > > > the latter is > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > mother-like person who will > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > and the engagement was > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > latent > > > in this situation have > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > relatively unscathed > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > Chandi patha under a > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > Me > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > best regards > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > of the cursed planet also > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > to > > > the bhava where the > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > this > > > bhava shows the issue > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > issue > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > house). The whole problem > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > for her own son and for > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > the > > > throne would still > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > have arisen. > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > cannot say that the results > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > === message truncated === > > > ________ > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> / > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 || Hare Raama Krsna || Dear Sushma-ji, namaskar. Graha-shrapa is not the correct term. A natural benefic under grahadrishti from two or more malefics constitute a curse given by a person (represented by graha). This is seen from Moola dasa/antar of those malefics. The bhava under aspect from malefics have negative results due to those aspects. If grahadrishti then temporary, if rasi drishti then permanent. This is just like seeing any other event using applicable Nakshatradasas. Best wishes, Sourav ========================================================================\ ====================================== , sushmagupta51 <sushmagupta51 wrote: > > !Om Gurveh namah! > Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! > > When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? > > I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava Shaap most effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there throughout life. > > Let me know when you get a moment. > > Warm regards, > Pranav > > Visti Larsen visti wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Twinkle, Namaskar > The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa in addition with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, dual, movable navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to understand the exact past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of the karmic-experience. > Your second question is abit unclear to me. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > > > > [] On Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya > 13 September 2006 10:30 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > om gurave namah! > dear vistiji, > > i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two or more > malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long period....say > conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in 1979. > similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting is from > aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such cases > people born under a particular lagna will have same house afflicted. > does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri > shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the > intensity of the shrapa. > > also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect that > partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal > curse?? > > --- Visti Larsen visti wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha dristi > > from > > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is > > more > > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > > 12 September 2006 12:16 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > OM > > Dear Guruji, > > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > > suffering that > > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti > > @ < > > > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sir, Namaskar > > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > > though. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ < > > > > [] On Behalf Of Narender > > mahendra > > 12 September 2006 10:32 > > @ < > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > > > --- Visti Larsen visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> > > com> > > wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > > shaapa where a person is > > > cursing you. > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > > from a graha shaapa. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > [@ <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > > @ <%40> > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > > "bhava > > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > > of > > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > > either get married or causes > > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > > marriage. > > > > Is that not what your > > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > > circumstances. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> > > com/> > > com/> > > > http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > [@ > > > <%40> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > > @ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > > you both are talking about > > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > > i.e., > > > > where the cursed planet > > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > > the > > > > circumstances that > > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > > malefics having graha > > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > > 7th > > > > house in both rasi > > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > > under > > > > the influence of two > > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > > under > > > > the gaze of two > > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > > (Sani > > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > > malefic influences while > > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > > usually > > > > indicates a widow. > > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > > Mangal > > > > itself, it shows that > > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > > Sani, > > > > the latter is > > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > > mother-like person who will > > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > > and the engagement was > > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > > latent > > > > in this situation have > > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > > relatively unscathed > > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > > Chandi patha under a > > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > > Me > > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > > of the cursed planet also > > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > > to > > > > the bhava where the > > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > > this > > > > bhava shows the issue > > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > > issue > > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > > house). The whole problem > > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > > for her own son and for > > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > > the > > > > throne would still > > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > > have arisen. > > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > > cannot say that the results > > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ________ > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > > http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 >sushmagupta51 <sushmagupta51 > > > >RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji >Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:03:38 -0700 (PDT) > >!Om Gurveh namah! > Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! > > When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? > > I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava Shaap most >effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there throughout >life. > > Let me know when you get a moment. > > Warm regards, > Pranav > >Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Twinkle, Namaskar > The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa in >addition with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, >dual, movable navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to >understand the exact past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the >intensity of the karmic-experience. > Your second question is abit unclear to me. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com > >*** > > > > > > [] >On Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya >13 September 2006 10:30 > >RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > om gurave namah! >dear vistiji, > >i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two or more >malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long period....say >conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in 1979. >similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting is from >aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such cases >people born under a particular lagna will have same house afflicted. >does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri >shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the >intensity of the shrapa. > >also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect that >partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal >curse?? > >--- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha dristi > > from > > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is > > more > > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > > 12 September 2006 12:16 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > OM > > Dear Guruji, > > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > > suffering that > > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > > @ <> > > > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sir, Namaskar > > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > > though. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <> > > > > [] On Behalf Of Narender > > mahendra > > 12 September 2006 10:32 > > @ <> > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> > > com> > > wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > > shaapa where a person is > > > cursing you. > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > > from a graha shaapa. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > [@ <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > > @ <%40> > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > > "bhava > > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > > of > > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > > either get married or causes > > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > > marriage. > > > > Is that not what your > > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > > circumstances. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> > > com/> > > com/> > > > http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > [@ > > > <%40> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > > @ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > > you both are talking about > > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > > i.e., > > > > where the cursed planet > > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > > the > > > > circumstances that > > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > > malefics having graha > > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > > 7th > > > > house in both rasi > > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > > under > > > > the influence of two > > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > > under > > > > the gaze of two > > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > > (Sani > > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > > malefic influences while > > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > > usually > > > > indicates a widow. > > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > > Mangal > > > > itself, it shows that > > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > > Sani, > > > > the latter is > > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > > mother-like person who will > > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > > and the engagement was > > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > > latent > > > > in this situation have > > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > > relatively unscathed > > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > > Chandi patha under a > > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > > Me > > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > > of the cursed planet also > > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > > to > > > > the bhava where the > > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > > this > > > > bhava shows the issue > > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > > issue > > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > > house). The whole problem > > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > > for her own son and for > > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > > the > > > > throne would still > > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > > have arisen. > > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > > cannot say that the results > > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ________ > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Pranav, Namaskar How long the curses will be affective depends on the nature of the curse. Timing should always be done with Mula dasa. The other dasas are really just indicators. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of sushmagupta51 15 September 2006 17:04 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji !Om Gurveh namah! Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava Shaap most effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there throughout life. Let me know when you get a moment. Warm regards, Pranav Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Twinkle, Namaskar The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa in addition with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, dual, movable navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to understand the exact past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of the karmic-experience. Your second question is abit unclear to me. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya 13 September 2006 10:30 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji om gurave namah! dear vistiji, i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two or more malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long period....say conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in 1979. similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting is from aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such cases people born under a particular lagna will have same house afflicted. does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the intensity of the shrapa. also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect that partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal curse?? --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha dristi > from > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is > more > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > 12 September 2006 12:16 > @ <%40> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > OM > Dear Guruji, > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > suffering that > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > - > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > @ <@ <%40> > > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Sir, Namaskar > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > though. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com > > *** > > > _____ > > @ <@ <%40> > > > [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of Narender > mahendra > 12 September 2006 10:32 > @ <@ <%40> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> > com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > shaapa where a person is > > cursing you. > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > from a graha shaapa. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <%40> > > > [@ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > @ <%40> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > "bhava > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > of > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > either get married or causes > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > marriage. > > > Is that not what your > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > circumstances. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> > com/> > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com> com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > [@ > > <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > @ > > <%40> > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > you both are talking about > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > i.e., > > > where the cursed planet > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > the > > > circumstances that > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > malefics having graha > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > 7th > > > house in both rasi > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > under > > > the influence of two > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > under > > > the gaze of two > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > (Sani > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > malefic influences while > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > usually > > > indicates a widow. > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > Mangal > > > itself, it shows that > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > Sani, > > > the latter is > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > mother-like person who will > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > and the engagement was > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > latent > > > in this situation have > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > relatively unscathed > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > Chandi patha under a > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > Me > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > best regards > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > of the cursed planet also > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > to > > > the bhava where the > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > this > > > bhava shows the issue > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > issue > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > house). The whole problem > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > for her own son and for > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > the > > > throne would still > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > have arisen. > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > cannot say that the results > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > === message truncated === > > > ________ > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> <http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> /> / > > > > > > http://mail. </> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Dear Pranav, As Visti said timing is always done from the Moola Dasha for curses. But just to share a bit of personal understanding of this question in the context of Vimshottari Dasha for example. In my own case (11th June, 1972;10:17:56AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India) the Moola Dasha of Rahu has been running since 1990! Even the other Moola Dashas prior to that were those of planets involved in curses in the 10th House: Matri Shrapa and Pitri Rina as too Amavasya Dosha. Out of these the curse of Mother is the primary curse. Basically Rahu Vimshottari Dasha ran from 1979-1997. Vimshottari Dasha started from Chandra Nakshtra is mind-centric. It is focussed on the mind of the native and how the native interprets life. This Vimshottari Dasha coincided with adverse Moola Dashas. So the root of the Karma being experienced, the underlying theme as it were, was onerous and as Rahu participates in the Curse, the mental experience, the societal experience was that of delusion, recklessness, great mental pain, inexplicable suffering, vices (6th House), ill-health (6th House)...So, the Vomshottari Dasha ruled the way things were happening to the mind, which unless one is schizophrenic, reflects accurately what is happening in life; even otherwise the Moon indicates manifestation. Even so, as Rahu is in the 3rd House from the AL, it ensured, despite such clouding, good academic performance and entry into the best public school in India. Thereafter, it continued to take one to arguably the best non-technical college in India. But the frustration and the hurt to the mind continued unabated. The real Karma or the underlying reality of events was sour due to the Moola Dasha. So the efforts were compounded. Guru Vimshottari Dasha started while the Rahu Moola dasha continues. The root of the Karma being experienced is still "mentally cursed" due to the fact that Rahu Moola dasha particpates in the Matri Shrapa, but the mental reality shown by the Vimshottari Dasha has completely changed the manifest world, seen from the Rashi Chakra. Guru brought Jnana, Sattwa, Jyotish, myth, very good health, perspective (totally lacking, literally, in the Rahu Vimshottari Dasha), comfortable financial surroundings and utterly altered the landscape. But has the Curse of the Moon gone? No. There is the same underlying element to the root Karma but is is also altered due to the Vimshottari. Guru MD ensures an 'understanding' of the suffering through Jyotish. It also gives such surroundings that the curse is not severe in the sense it was severe in Rahu. It is still identically severe 'in itself' but as the landscape is totally changed, it feels different. The Curse will only go with the Rahu Moola Dasha and the upcoming Budh Moola Dasha has started knocking on the door. Pt. Sanjay Rath says that as Jyotishis we must look for Nimitta as the average person cannot catch them. Dashas start giving their results about a year before they are to start. In this sense some of the finer details of Karma might be attempted to be understood. Best Wishes, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Pranav, Namaskar > How long the curses will be affective depends on the nature of the curse. > Timing should always be done with Mula dasa. The other dasas are really just > indicators. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of sushmagupta51 > 15 September 2006 17:04 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > !Om Gurveh namah! > Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! > > When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? > > I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava Shaap most > effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there throughout > life. > > Let me know when you get a moment. > > Warm regards, > Pranav > > Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Twinkle, Namaskar > The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa in addition > with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, dual, movable > navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to understand the exact > past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of the > karmic-experience. > Your second question is abit unclear to me. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya > 13 September 2006 10:30 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > om gurave namah! > dear vistiji, > > i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two or more > malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long period....say > conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in 1979. > similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting is from > aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such cases > people born under a particular lagna will have same house afflicted. > does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri > shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the > intensity of the shrapa. > > also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect that > partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal > curse?? > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha dristi > > from > > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is > > more > > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com/> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <%40> > > > [@ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > > 12 September 2006 12:16 > > @ <%40> > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > OM > > Dear Guruji, > > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > > suffering that > > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% 40srigaruda.com> > com> > > @ <@ > <%40> > > > > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sir, Namaskar > > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > > though. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com> http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com/> com > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <@ > <%40> > > > > > [@ <%40> > ] On Behalf Of Narender > > mahendra > > 12 September 2006 10:32 > > @ <@ > <%40> > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> > > com> > > wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > > shaapa where a person is > > > cursing you. > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > > from a graha shaapa. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > [@ <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > > @ <%40> > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > > "bhava > > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > > of > > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > > either get married or causes > > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > > marriage. > > > > Is that not what your > > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > > circumstances. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda./> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > > com/> > > com/> > > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com/> com> com> com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > [@ > > > <%40> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > > @ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > > you both are talking about > > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > > i.e., > > > > where the cursed planet > > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > > the > > > > circumstances that > > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > > malefics having graha > > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > > 7th > > > > house in both rasi > > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > > under > > > > the influence of two > > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > > under > > > > the gaze of two > > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > > (Sani > > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > > malefic influences while > > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > > usually > > > > indicates a widow. > > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > > Mangal > > > > itself, it shows that > > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > > Sani, > > > > the latter is > > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > > mother-like person who will > > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > > and the engagement was > > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > > latent > > > > in this situation have > > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > > relatively unscathed > > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > > Chandi patha under a > > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > > Me > > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > > of the cursed planet also > > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > > to > > > > the bhava where the > > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > > this > > > > bhava shows the issue > > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > > issue > > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > > house). The whole problem > > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > > for her own son and for > > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > > the > > > > throne would still > > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > > have arisen. > > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > > cannot say that the results > > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ________ > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Anurag, Can you clarify why the Mothers curse is the primary curse. And then further on you also said ' <'@Dashas> Dashas start giving their results about a year before they are to start. ' Is this true? Regards, Mike [] On Behalf Of Anurag Sharma Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:15 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji Dear Pranav, As Visti said timing is always done from the Moola Dasha for curses. But just to share a bit of personal understanding of this question in the context of Vimshottari Dasha for example. In my own case (11th June, 1972;10:17:56AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India) the Moola Dasha of Rahu has been running since 1990! Even the other Moola Dashas prior to that were those of planets involved in curses in the 10th House: Matri Shrapa and Pitri Rina as too Amavasya Dosha. Out of these the curse of Mother is the primary curse. Basically Rahu Vimshottari Dasha ran from 1979-1997. Vimshottari Dasha started from Chandra Nakshtra is mind-centric. It is focussed on the mind of the native and how the native interprets life. This Vimshottari Dasha coincided with adverse Moola Dashas. So the root of the Karma being experienced, the underlying theme as it were, was onerous and as Rahu participates in the Curse, the mental experience, the societal experience was that of delusion, recklessness, great mental pain, inexplicable suffering, vices (6th House), ill-health (6th House)...So, the Vomshottari Dasha ruled the way things were happening to the mind, which unless one is schizophrenic, reflects accurately what is happening in life; even otherwise the Moon indicates manifestation. Even so, as Rahu is in the 3rd House from the AL, it ensured, despite such clouding, good academic performance and entry into the best public school in India. Thereafter, it continued to take one to arguably the best non-technical college in India. But the frustration and the hurt to the mind continued unabated. The real Karma or the underlying reality of events was sour due to the Moola Dasha. So the efforts were compounded. Guru Vimshottari Dasha started while the Rahu Moola dasha continues. The root of the Karma being experienced is still "mentally cursed" due to the fact that Rahu Moola dasha particpates in the Matri Shrapa, but the mental reality shown by the Vimshottari Dasha has completely changed the manifest world, seen from the Rashi Chakra. Guru brought Jnana, Sattwa, Jyotish, myth, very good health, perspective (totally lacking, literally, in the Rahu Vimshottari Dasha), comfortable financial surroundings and utterly altered the landscape. But has the Curse of the Moon gone? No. There is the same underlying element to the root Karma but is is also altered due to the Vimshottari. Guru MD ensures an 'understanding' of the suffering through Jyotish. It also gives such surroundings that the curse is not severe in the sense it was severe in Rahu. It is still identically severe 'in itself' but as the landscape is totally changed, it feels different. The Curse will only go with the Rahu Moola Dasha and the upcoming Budh Moola Dasha has started knocking on the door. Pt. Sanjay Rath says that as Jyotishis we must look for Nimitta as the average person cannot catch them. Dashas start giving their results about a year before they are to start. In this sense some of the finer details of Karma might be attempted to be understood. Best Wishes, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetar <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> ytransformation.blogspot.com @ <%40> , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Pranav, Namaskar > How long the curses will be affective depends on the nature of the curse. > Timing should always be done with Mula dasa. The other dasas are really just > indicators. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of sushmagupta51 > 15 September 2006 17:04 > @ <%40> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > !Om Gurveh namah! > Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! > > When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? > > I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava Shaap most > effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there throughout > life. > > Let me know when you get a moment. > > Warm regards, > Pranav > > Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Twinkle, Namaskar > The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa in addition > with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, dual, movable > navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to understand the exact > past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of the > karmic-experience. > Your second question is abit unclear to me. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > > _____ > > @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] On > Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya > 13 September 2006 10:30 > @ <%40> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > om gurave namah! > dear vistiji, > > i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two or more > malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long period....say > conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in 1979. > similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting is from > aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such cases > people born under a particular lagna will have same house afflicted. > does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri > shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the > intensity of the shrapa. > > also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect that > partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal > curse?? > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha dristi > > from > > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is > > more > > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <%40> > > > [@ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > > 12 September 2006 12:16 > > @ <%40> > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > OM > > Dear Guruji, > > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > > suffering that > > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% 40srigaruda.com> > com> > > @ <@ > <%40> > > > > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sir, Namaskar > > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > > though. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com> http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <@ > <%40> > > > > > [@ <%40> > ] On Behalf Of Narender > > mahendra > > 12 September 2006 10:32 > > @ <@ > <%40> > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> > > com> > > wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > > shaapa where a person is > > > cursing you. > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > > from a graha shaapa. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> com/> > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > [@ <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > > @ <%40> > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > > "bhava > > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > > of > > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > > either get married or causes > > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > > marriage. > > > > Is that not what your > > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > > circumstances. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> > > com/> > > com/> > > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com> com> com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > [@ > > > <%40> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > > @ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > > you both are talking about > > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > > i.e., > > > > where the cursed planet > > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > > the > > > > circumstances that > > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > > malefics having graha > > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > > 7th > > > > house in both rasi > > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > > under > > > > the influence of two > > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > > under > > > > the gaze of two > > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > > (Sani > > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > > malefic influences while > > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > > usually > > > > indicates a widow. > > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > > Mangal > > > > itself, it shows that > > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > > Sani, > > > > the latter is > > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > > mother-like person who will > > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > > and the engagement was > > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > > latent > > > > in this situation have > > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > > relatively unscathed > > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > > Chandi patha under a > > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > > Me > > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > > of the cursed planet also > > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > > to > > > > the bhava where the > > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > > this > > > > bhava shows the issue > > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > > issue > > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > > house). The whole problem > > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > > for her own son and for > > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > > the > > > > throne would still > > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > > have arisen. > > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > > cannot say that the results > > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ________ > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Hello Mike, The Curse of the Mother is the primary curse because the Moon is the most benefic planet out of any of the natural benefics afflicted by two or more natural malefics. It is afflicted by Rahu, Saturn and Sun. The Amavasya Dosha is not a curse but a flaw in the quality of time as it were. Therefore, the curse of the Mother is primary. It is frequently found that the upcoming Dasha begins to manifest before it actually begins. Of course, it hasn't actually begun but often one can feel the difference, say from when the ongoing Dasha was in its midst. Best wishes, Anurag http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com , "Michael Travass" <michael.travass wrote: > > Anurag, > > Can you clarify why the Mothers curse is the primary curse. > > And then further on you also said ' <'@Dashas> Dashas start giving > their results about a > year before they are to start. ' Is this true? > > Regards, > > Mike > > > > [] On > Behalf Of Anurag Sharma > Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:15 PM > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > Dear Pranav, > > As Visti said timing is always done from the Moola Dasha for curses. > But just to share a bit of personal understanding of this question > in the context of Vimshottari Dasha for example. > > In my own case (11th June, 1972;10:17:56AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India) > the Moola Dasha of Rahu has been running since 1990! Even the other > Moola Dashas prior to that were those of planets involved in curses > in the 10th House: Matri Shrapa and Pitri Rina as too Amavasya > Dosha. Out of these the curse of Mother is the primary curse. > > Basically Rahu Vimshottari Dasha ran from 1979-1997. Vimshottari > Dasha started from Chandra Nakshtra is mind-centric. It is focussed > on the mind of the native and how the native interprets life. This > Vimshottari Dasha coincided with adverse Moola Dashas. So the root > of the Karma being experienced, the underlying theme as it were, was > onerous and as Rahu participates in the Curse, the mental > experience, the societal experience was that of delusion, > recklessness, great mental pain, inexplicable suffering, vices (6th > House), ill-health (6th House)...So, the Vomshottari Dasha ruled the > way things were happening to the mind, which unless one is > schizophrenic, reflects accurately what is happening in life; even > otherwise the Moon indicates manifestation. > > Even so, as Rahu is in the 3rd House from the AL, it ensured, > despite such clouding, good academic performance and entry into the > best public school in India. Thereafter, it continued to take one to > arguably the best non-technical college in India. But the > frustration and the hurt to the mind continued unabated. The real > Karma or the underlying reality of events was sour due to the Moola > Dasha. So the efforts were compounded. > > Guru Vimshottari Dasha started while the Rahu Moola dasha continues. > The root of the Karma being experienced is still "mentally cursed" > due to the fact that Rahu Moola dasha particpates in the Matri > Shrapa, but the mental reality shown by the Vimshottari Dasha has > completely changed the manifest world, seen from the Rashi Chakra. > > Guru brought Jnana, Sattwa, Jyotish, myth, very good health, > perspective (totally lacking, literally, in the Rahu Vimshottari > Dasha), comfortable financial surroundings and utterly altered the > landscape. But has the Curse of the Moon gone? No. There is the same > underlying element to the root Karma but is is also altered due to > the Vimshottari. > > Guru MD ensures an 'understanding' of the suffering through Jyotish. > It also gives such surroundings that the curse is not severe in the > sense it was severe in Rahu. It is still identically severe 'in > itself' but as the landscape is totally changed, it feels different. > > The Curse will only go with the Rahu Moola Dasha and the upcoming > Budh Moola Dasha has started knocking on the door. Pt. Sanjay Rath > says that as Jyotishis we must look for Nimitta as the average > person cannot catch them. Dashas start giving their results about a > year before they are to start. > > In this sense some of the finer details of Karma might be attempted > to be understood. > > Best Wishes, > Anurag Sharma > http://www.planetar <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> > ytransformation.blogspot.com > > @ <%40> > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> > wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Pranav, Namaskar > > How long the curses will be affective depends on the nature of the > curse. > > Timing should always be done with Mula dasa. The other dasas are > really just > > indicators. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <%40> > > [@ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of sushmagupta51 > > 15 September 2006 17:04 > > @ <%40> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > > > > > > !Om Gurveh namah! > > Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! > > > > When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? > > > > I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava Shaap > most > > effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there > throughout > > life. > > > > Let me know when you get a moment. > > > > Warm regards, > > Pranav > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Twinkle, Namaskar > > The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa in > addition > > with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, > dual, movable > > navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to understand > the exact > > past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of the > > karmic-experience. > > Your second question is abit unclear to me. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <%40> > > [@ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya > > 13 September 2006 10:30 > > @ <%40> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > > om gurave namah! > > dear vistiji, > > > > i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two or > more > > malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long period....say > > conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in > 1979. > > similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting is > from > > aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such cases > > people born under a particular lagna will have same house > afflicted. > > does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri > > shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the > > intensity of the shrapa. > > > > also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect that > > partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal > > curse?? > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% 40srigaruda.com> > com> > > wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha dristi > > > from > > > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is > > > more > > > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > [@ <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > > > 12 September 2006 12:16 > > > @ <%40> > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM > > > Dear Guruji, > > > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > > > suffering that > > > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > > > Regards > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > - > > > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > 40srigaruda.com> > > com> > > > @ <@ > > <%40> > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Sir, Namaskar > > > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > > > though. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com> > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ <@ > > <%40> > > > > > > > [@ <%40> > > ] On Behalf Of Narender > > > mahendra > > > 12 September 2006 10:32 > > > @ <@ > > <%40> > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > > > > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > > > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > > > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% 40srigaruda.com> > > > com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > > > shaapa where a person is > > > > cursing you. > > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > > > from a graha shaapa. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> > <http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> com/> > > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com> > com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > [@ <%40> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > > > "bhava > > > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > > > of > > > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > > > either get married or causes > > > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > > > marriage. > > > > > Is that not what your > > > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > *** > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> > <http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> > > > com/> > > > com/> > > > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> > <http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com> com> com > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > [@ > > > > <%40> > > > > ] On > > > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > > > @ > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > > > you both are talking about > > > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > > > i.e., > > > > > where the cursed planet > > > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > > > the > > > > > circumstances that > > > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > > > malefics having graha > > > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > > > 7th > > > > > house in both rasi > > > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > > > under > > > > > the influence of two > > > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > > > under > > > > > the gaze of two > > > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > > > (Sani > > > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > > > malefic influences while > > > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > > > usually > > > > > indicates a widow. > > > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > > > Mangal > > > > > itself, it shows that > > > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > > > Sani, > > > > > the latter is > > > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > > > mother-like person who will > > > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > > > and the engagement was > > > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > > > latent > > > > > in this situation have > > > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > > > relatively unscathed > > > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > > > Chandi patha under a > > > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > > > Me > > > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > > > of the cursed planet also > > > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > > > to > > > > > the bhava where the > > > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > > > this > > > > > bhava shows the issue > > > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > > > issue > > > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > > > house). The whole problem > > > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > > > for her own son and for > > > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > > > the > > > > > throne would still > > > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > > > have arisen. > > > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > > > cannot say that the results > > > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > *** > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Mike, One or two other words about Curses. If the Moola Dasha planet aspects or conjoins another afflicted area or 'trouble spot' then that would be activated too.For example, going by the definition of the 'source' of the suffering, the stronger house owned by the malefic is to be seen. For example, In Bhagwan Shri Ram's chart, the 7th House is stronger, and the 'source' of the suffering is the 7th. However, the other areas, such as where the natural malefic is placed, another house or benefic planetaspected or conjoined the Moola Dasha graha (could be a benefic also, if it is qualified to deliver the results of the Shrapa due to conjunction!) and afflicted by more malefics will also bring suffering. Narasimha Rao in his lectures does not really recommend the prescription of gemstones to alleviate the suffering brought by a planet in the Moola Dasha scheme. Ratnas are a Rajasic measure and according to the said lectures make their own Karma. In a sense, the suffering if postponed by wearing the 'nice little ring' or some such phrase. PVR recommends, and quite rightly in my opinion, that the consultor should be made aware of the options, whether he would like to postpone the suffering or just be done with it. Suffering hurts, and bad suffering can be intolerable, so this question should be approached with sensitivity. Sattwic remedies like Mantra Sadhana, according to PVR, does not create new Karma or postpone. It addresses the Karma without more. Moola Dasha is truly one of the most amazing things I've seen in my brief Jyotish journey thus far in this incarnation. Like Pt. Rath says, there is no getting away from the Karma. Quite true. The example I have given from my own chart also supports this by vurtue of exhibiting the very interesting interplay of a benefic and potent Vimshottari Dasha Graha and a malefic Moola Dasha Graha. While I am attempting to address this issue in my chart through Mantra, I have received very positive feedback from people I have given this remedy to, about the recommended dip in the holy waters of Rameshvaram, India. I had learnt of this remedy for Matri Shrapa from Vedic Remedies in Astrology by Pt. Sanjay Rath. The acute mental suffering that can come from Matri Shrapa has been alleviated discernibly by this trip and ritual bathing at Rameshvaram. Best wishes, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com , "Anurag Sharma" <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > Hello Mike, > > The Curse of the Mother is the primary curse because the Moon is the > most benefic planet out of any of the natural benefics afflicted by > two or more natural malefics. It is afflicted by Rahu, Saturn and > Sun. The Amavasya Dosha is not a curse but a flaw in the quality of > time as it were. Therefore, the curse of the Mother is primary. > > It is frequently found that the upcoming Dasha begins to manifest > before it actually begins. Of course, it hasn't actually begun but > often one can feel the difference, say from when the ongoing Dasha > was in its midst. > > Best wishes, > Anurag > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > , "Michael Travass" > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > Anurag, > > > > Can you clarify why the Mothers curse is the primary curse. > > > > And then further on you also said ' <'@Dashas> Dashas start > giving > > their results about a > > year before they are to start. ' Is this true? > > > > Regards, > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Anurag Sharma > > Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:15 PM > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > > > > Dear Pranav, > > > > As Visti said timing is always done from the Moola Dasha for > curses. > > But just to share a bit of personal understanding of this question > > in the context of Vimshottari Dasha for example. > > > > In my own case (11th June, 1972;10:17:56AM; Cuttack, Orissa, > India) > > the Moola Dasha of Rahu has been running since 1990! Even the > other > > Moola Dashas prior to that were those of planets involved in > curses > > in the 10th House: Matri Shrapa and Pitri Rina as too Amavasya > > Dosha. Out of these the curse of Mother is the primary curse. > > > > Basically Rahu Vimshottari Dasha ran from 1979-1997. Vimshottari > > Dasha started from Chandra Nakshtra is mind-centric. It is > focussed > > on the mind of the native and how the native interprets life. This > > Vimshottari Dasha coincided with adverse Moola Dashas. So the root > > of the Karma being experienced, the underlying theme as it were, > was > > onerous and as Rahu participates in the Curse, the mental > > experience, the societal experience was that of delusion, > > recklessness, great mental pain, inexplicable suffering, vices > (6th > > House), ill-health (6th House)...So, the Vomshottari Dasha ruled > the > > way things were happening to the mind, which unless one is > > schizophrenic, reflects accurately what is happening in life; even > > otherwise the Moon indicates manifestation. > > > > Even so, as Rahu is in the 3rd House from the AL, it ensured, > > despite such clouding, good academic performance and entry into > the > > best public school in India. Thereafter, it continued to take one > to > > arguably the best non-technical college in India. But the > > frustration and the hurt to the mind continued unabated. The real > > Karma or the underlying reality of events was sour due to the > Moola > > Dasha. So the efforts were compounded. > > > > Guru Vimshottari Dasha started while the Rahu Moola dasha > continues. > > The root of the Karma being experienced is still "mentally cursed" > > due to the fact that Rahu Moola dasha particpates in the Matri > > Shrapa, but the mental reality shown by the Vimshottari Dasha has > > completely changed the manifest world, seen from the Rashi Chakra. > > > > Guru brought Jnana, Sattwa, Jyotish, myth, very good health, > > perspective (totally lacking, literally, in the Rahu Vimshottari > > Dasha), comfortable financial surroundings and utterly altered the > > landscape. But has the Curse of the Moon gone? No. There is the > same > > underlying element to the root Karma but is is also altered due to > > the Vimshottari. > > > > Guru MD ensures an 'understanding' of the suffering through > Jyotish. > > It also gives such surroundings that the curse is not severe in > the > > sense it was severe in Rahu. It is still identically severe 'in > > itself' but as the landscape is totally changed, it feels > different. > > > > The Curse will only go with the Rahu Moola Dasha and the upcoming > > Budh Moola Dasha has started knocking on the door. Pt. Sanjay Rath > > says that as Jyotishis we must look for Nimitta as the average > > person cannot catch them. Dashas start giving their results about > a > > year before they are to start. > > > > In this sense some of the finer details of Karma might be > attempted > > to be understood. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Anurag Sharma > > http://www.planetar > <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> > > ytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > @ <%40> > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> > > wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Pranav, Namaskar > > > How long the curses will be affective depends on the nature of > the > > curse. > > > Timing should always be done with Mula dasa. The other dasas are > > really just > > > indicators. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > [@ <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of sushmagupta51 > > > 15 September 2006 17:04 > > > @ <%40> > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !Om Gurveh namah! > > > Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! > > > > > > When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? > > > > > > I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava > Shaap > > most > > > effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there > > throughout > > > life. > > > > > > Let me know when you get a moment. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Pranav > > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Twinkle, Namaskar > > > The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa > in > > addition > > > with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, > > dual, movable > > > navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to understand > > the exact > > > past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of the > > > karmic-experience. > > > Your second question is abit unclear to me. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda.com> com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > [@ <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya > > > 13 September 2006 10:30 > > > @ <%40> > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah! > > > dear vistiji, > > > > > > i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two or > > more > > > malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long > period....say > > > conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in > > 1979. > > > similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting is > > from > > > aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such cases > > > people born under a particular lagna will have same house > > afflicted. > > > does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri > > > shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the > > > intensity of the shrapa. > > > > > > also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect > that > > > partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal > > > curse?? > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > 40srigaruda.com> > > com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > > > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha > dristi > > > > from > > > > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is > > > > more > > > > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> > com/> > > com/> > > http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > [@ <%40> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > > > > 12 September 2006 12:16 > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM > > > > Dear Guruji, > > > > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > > > > suffering that > > > > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > > > > Regards > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > > 40srigaruda.com> > > > com> > > > > @ <@ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Sir, Namaskar > > > > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > > > > though. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> > com/> com> > > http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ <@ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > [@ <%40> > > > ] On Behalf Of Narender > > > > mahendra > > > > 12 September 2006 10:32 > > > > @ <@ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > > > > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > > > > > > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > > > > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > > > > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > 40srigaruda.com> > > > > com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > > > > shaapa where a person is > > > > > cursing you. > > > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > > > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > > > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > > > > from a graha shaapa. > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > *** > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> > > <http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> com/> > > > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> > com/> com> > > com > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > [@ <% 40> > > > > ] On > > > > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > > > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > > > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > > > > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > > > > "bhava > > > > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > > > > of > > > > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > > > > either get married or causes > > > > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > Is that not what your > > > > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda./> /> > > <http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> <http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > > com/> > > > > com/> > > > > com/> > > > > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> > > <http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com> com> com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > [@ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > ] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > > > > @ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > > > > you both are talking about > > > > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > > > > i.e., > > > > > > where the cursed planet > > > > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > > > > the > > > > > > circumstances that > > > > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > > > > malefics having graha > > > > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > > > > 7th > > > > > > house in both rasi > > > > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > > > > under > > > > > > the influence of two > > > > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > > > > under > > > > > > the gaze of two > > > > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > > > > (Sani > > > > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > > > > malefic influences while > > > > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > > > > usually > > > > > > indicates a widow. > > > > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > > > > Mangal > > > > > > itself, it shows that > > > > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > > > > Sani, > > > > > > the latter is > > > > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > > > > mother-like person who will > > > > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > > > > and the engagement was > > > > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > > > > latent > > > > > > in this situation have > > > > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > > > > relatively unscathed > > > > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > > > > Chandi patha under a > > > > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > > > > Me > > > > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > > > > of the cursed planet also > > > > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > > > > to > > > > > > the bhava where the > > > > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > > > > this > > > > > > bhava shows the issue > > > > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > > > > issue > > > > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > > > > house). The whole problem > > > > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > > > > for her own son and for > > > > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > > > > the > > > > > > throne would still > > > > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > > > > have arisen. > > > > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > > > > cannot say that the results > > > > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Good work Anurag. 1. Yes the most benefic planet will be the primary focus of the curse. 2. The aspecting planets ruled houses will determine the areas that is affected. In case of rulership of two houses the stronger has to be taken. But you stated in you email you mind was affected. Can you tell which areas of the 6th and 7th house were affected. See for Saturn 6th is the stronger. 3. Yes by wearing a stone and not suffering to burn your karmas one is just postponing one's karmas and this leads to suffering in later life. 4. This I understand is not applicable for Mantras. It's not akin to stone, because your are putting effort to recite Mantras. 5. Yes one has to time the affect of the curses from the Moola dasa. Finally I wanted to know how these curses can be mitigated. Your jyotilingam is Vaidyanath and you seem to have gone to Rameshwaram which is a jyotilingam for Aries. Please clarify. And see my 6th house comment. With best wishes, Mike [] On Behalf Of Anurag Sharma Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:25 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji Mike, One or two other words about Curses. If the Moola Dasha planet aspects or conjoins another afflicted area or 'trouble spot' then that would be activated too.For example, going by the definition of the 'source' of the suffering, the stronger house owned by the malefic is to be seen. For example, In Bhagwan Shri Ram's chart, the 7th House is stronger, and the 'source' of the suffering is the 7th. However, the other areas, such as where the natural malefic is placed, another house or benefic planetaspected or conjoined the Moola Dasha graha (could be a benefic also, if it is qualified to deliver the results of the Shrapa due to conjunction!) and afflicted by more malefics will also bring suffering. Narasimha Rao in his lectures does not really recommend the prescription of gemstones to alleviate the suffering brought by a planet in the Moola Dasha scheme. Ratnas are a Rajasic measure and according to the said lectures make their own Karma. In a sense, the suffering if postponed by wearing the 'nice little ring' or some such phrase. PVR recommends, and quite rightly in my opinion, that the consultor should be made aware of the options, whether he would like to postpone the suffering or just be done with it. Suffering hurts, and bad suffering can be intolerable, so this question should be approached with sensitivity. Sattwic remedies like Mantra Sadhana, according to PVR, does not create new Karma or postpone. It addresses the Karma without more. Moola Dasha is truly one of the most amazing things I've seen in my brief Jyotish journey thus far in this incarnation. Like Pt. Rath says, there is no getting away from the Karma. Quite true. The example I have given from my own chart also supports this by vurtue of exhibiting the very interesting interplay of a benefic and potent Vimshottari Dasha Graha and a malefic Moola Dasha Graha. While I am attempting to address this issue in my chart through Mantra, I have received very positive feedback from people I have given this remedy to, about the recommended dip in the holy waters of Rameshvaram, India. I had learnt of this remedy for Matri Shrapa from Vedic Remedies in Astrology by Pt. Sanjay Rath. The acute mental suffering that can come from Matri Shrapa has been alleviated discernibly by this trip and ritual bathing at Rameshvaram. Best wishes, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetar <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> ytransformation.blogspot.com @ <%40> , "Anurag Sharma" <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > Hello Mike, > > The Curse of the Mother is the primary curse because the Moon is the > most benefic planet out of any of the natural benefics afflicted by > two or more natural malefics. It is afflicted by Rahu, Saturn and > Sun. The Amavasya Dosha is not a curse but a flaw in the quality of > time as it were. Therefore, the curse of the Mother is primary. > > It is frequently found that the upcoming Dasha begins to manifest > before it actually begins. Of course, it hasn't actually begun but > often one can feel the difference, say from when the ongoing Dasha > was in its midst. > > Best wishes, > Anurag > http://www.planetar <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> ytransformation.blogspot.com > @ <%40> , "Michael Travass" > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > Anurag, > > > > Can you clarify why the Mothers curse is the primary curse. > > > > And then further on you also said ' <'@Dashas> Dashas start > giving > > their results about a > > year before they are to start. ' Is this true? > > > > Regards, > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On > > Behalf Of Anurag Sharma > > Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:15 PM > > @ <%40> > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > > > > Dear Pranav, > > > > As Visti said timing is always done from the Moola Dasha for > curses. > > But just to share a bit of personal understanding of this question > > in the context of Vimshottari Dasha for example. > > > > In my own case (11th June, 1972;10:17:56AM; Cuttack, Orissa, > India) > > the Moola Dasha of Rahu has been running since 1990! Even the > other > > Moola Dashas prior to that were those of planets involved in > curses > > in the 10th House: Matri Shrapa and Pitri Rina as too Amavasya > > Dosha. Out of these the curse of Mother is the primary curse. > > > > Basically Rahu Vimshottari Dasha ran from 1979-1997. Vimshottari > > Dasha started from Chandra Nakshtra is mind-centric. It is > focussed > > on the mind of the native and how the native interprets life. This > > Vimshottari Dasha coincided with adverse Moola Dashas. So the root > > of the Karma being experienced, the underlying theme as it were, > was > > onerous and as Rahu participates in the Curse, the mental > > experience, the societal experience was that of delusion, > > recklessness, great mental pain, inexplicable suffering, vices > (6th > > House), ill-health (6th House)...So, the Vomshottari Dasha ruled > the > > way things were happening to the mind, which unless one is > > schizophrenic, reflects accurately what is happening in life; even > > otherwise the Moon indicates manifestation. > > > > Even so, as Rahu is in the 3rd House from the AL, it ensured, > > despite such clouding, good academic performance and entry into > the > > best public school in India. Thereafter, it continued to take one > to > > arguably the best non-technical college in India. But the > > frustration and the hurt to the mind continued unabated. The real > > Karma or the underlying reality of events was sour due to the > Moola > > Dasha. So the efforts were compounded. > > > > Guru Vimshottari Dasha started while the Rahu Moola dasha > continues. > > The root of the Karma being experienced is still "mentally cursed" > > due to the fact that Rahu Moola dasha particpates in the Matri > > Shrapa, but the mental reality shown by the Vimshottari Dasha has > > completely changed the manifest world, seen from the Rashi Chakra. > > > > Guru brought Jnana, Sattwa, Jyotish, myth, very good health, > > perspective (totally lacking, literally, in the Rahu Vimshottari > > Dasha), comfortable financial surroundings and utterly altered the > > landscape. But has the Curse of the Moon gone? No. There is the > same > > underlying element to the root Karma but is is also altered due to > > the Vimshottari. > > > > Guru MD ensures an 'understanding' of the suffering through > Jyotish. > > It also gives such surroundings that the curse is not severe in > the > > sense it was severe in Rahu. It is still identically severe 'in > > itself' but as the landscape is totally changed, it feels > different. > > > > The Curse will only go with the Rahu Moola Dasha and the upcoming > > Budh Moola Dasha has started knocking on the door. Pt. Sanjay Rath > > says that as Jyotishis we must look for Nimitta as the average > > person cannot catch them. Dashas start giving their results about > a > > year before they are to start. > > > > In this sense some of the finer details of Karma might be > attempted > > to be understood. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Anurag Sharma > > http://www.planetar > <http://www.planetar <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> ytransformation.blogspot.com> > > ytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > @ <%40> > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> > > wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Pranav, Namaskar > > > How long the curses will be affective depends on the nature of > the > > curse. > > > Timing should always be done with Mula dasa. The other dasas are > > really just > > > indicators. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > [@ <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of sushmagupta51 > > > 15 September 2006 17:04 > > > @ <%40> > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !Om Gurveh namah! > > > Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! > > > > > > When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? > > > > > > I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava > Shaap > > most > > > effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there > > throughout > > > life. > > > > > > Let me know when you get a moment. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Pranav > > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Twinkle, Namaskar > > > The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa > in > > addition > > > with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, > > dual, movable > > > navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to understand > > the exact > > > past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of the > > > karmic-experience. > > > Your second question is abit unclear to me. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> > http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > [@ <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya > > > 13 September 2006 10:30 > > > @ <%40> > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah! > > > dear vistiji, > > > > > > i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two or > > more > > > malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long > period....say > > > conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in > > 1979. > > > similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting is > > from > > > aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such cases > > > people born under a particular lagna will have same house > > afflicted. > > > does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri > > > shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the > > > intensity of the shrapa. > > > > > > also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect > that > > > partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal > > > curse?? > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > 40srigaruda.com> > > com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > > > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha > dristi > > > > from > > > > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is > > > > more > > > > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> > > com/> > > http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > [@ <%40> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > > > > 12 September 2006 12:16 > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM > > > > Dear Guruji, > > > > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > > > > suffering that > > > > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > > > > Regards > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > > 40srigaruda.com> > > > com> > > > > @ <@ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Sir, Namaskar > > > > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > > > > though. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> com> > > http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> com > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ <@ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > [@ <%40> > > > ] On Behalf Of Narender > > > > mahendra > > > > 12 September 2006 10:32 > > > > @ <@ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > > > > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > > > > > > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > > > > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > > > > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > 40srigaruda.com> > > > > com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > > > > shaapa where a person is > > > > > cursing you. > > > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > > > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > > > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > > > > from a graha shaapa. > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > *** > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> /> > > <http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> com/> com/> > > > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> /> > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> com> > > com > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > [@ <% 40> > > > > ] On > > > > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > > > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > > > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > > > > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > > > > "bhava > > > > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > > > > of > > > > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > > > > either get married or causes > > > > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > Is that not what your > > > > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> /> > > <http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> /> <http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> > > com/> > > > > com/> > > > > com/> > > > > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> /> > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> /> > > <http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> com> com> com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > [@ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > ] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > > > > @ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > > > > you both are talking about > > > > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > > > > i.e., > > > > > > where the cursed planet > > > > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > > > > the > > > > > > circumstances that > > > > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > > > > malefics having graha > > > > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > > > > 7th > > > > > > house in both rasi > > > > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > > > > under > > > > > > the influence of two > > > > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > > > > under > > > > > > the gaze of two > > > > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > > > > (Sani > > > > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > > > > malefic influences while > > > > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > > > > usually > > > > > > indicates a widow. > > > > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > > > > Mangal > > > > > > itself, it shows that > > > > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > > > > Sani, > > > > > > the latter is > > > > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > > > > mother-like person who will > > > > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > > > > and the engagement was > > > > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > > > > latent > > > > > > in this situation have > > > > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > > > > relatively unscathed > > > > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > > > > Chandi patha under a > > > > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > > > > Me > > > > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > > > > of the cursed planet also > > > > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > > > > to > > > > > > the bhava where the > > > > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > > > > this > > > > > > bhava shows the issue > > > > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > > > > issue > > > > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > > > > house). The whole problem > > > > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > > > > for her own son and for > > > > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > > > > the > > > > > > throne would still > > > > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > > > > have arisen. > > > > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > > > > cannot say that the results > > > > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Mike, I haven't gone to Rameshvaram myself but have recommended it to a few people who had a cursed Moon in the chart. The specific case I had in mind was that of a lady, who I also thought should help out elderly women (in her country) at an old age home, as elderly ladies are ruled by the Moon. She has reported a distinct improvement in her mental life. As for Jyotirlinga,depends for what purpose the Jyotirlinga is being worshipped or identified. For example, based on the Bhukta Tithi Sphuta (BTS), one may determine the basic reason behind the incarnation. This has to be seen together with the rest of the chart. In my case, the BTS (elapsed Tithi) corresponds to Dhanu, the exaltation sign of Ketu. See Freedom Cole's excellent article on the subject at www.shrifreedom.com. This sign should be seen from the Lagna, and the Grahas tenanting it, Yogas etc also should be studied. In my chart, you can see that retrograde Jupiter is placed in Dhanu in the 5th House from the Lagna.There is some deep desire pertaining to matters regarding the 5th House: Jyotish, spirituality, Mantra, creative intellect, Shishya (Guru is PK)etc. In my case, the "source" of the Curse is the 6th House.This manifested mostly as very serious trouble in daily work. Basically there was an absence of daily work for about 7 years following the completion of formal education. In Rahu Vimshottari Dasha, other factors of the 6th House came to the fore but they were not rooted in the Curse. I say this because they have disappeared in the Guru Dasha. These were things like very untimely meals etc. Curses can be mitigated through Mantra. I thought that as the Curse "happens" in the 10th House, I should worship the Devata/ Devi of the 10th House, so I am, having requested Visti for the Mantra and got it. I am also reciting Amavasya Mantras for the Sun and Moon for that Amavasya Dosha. In case of Curses, in my very limited experience, one can just start with the Ram Taraka Mantra: Sri Ram Jaya Ram Jaya Jaya Ram. Lord Rama immediately responds by bringing more specific remedies or some such succour. Best Wishes, Anurag http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com , "Michael Travass" <michael.travass wrote: > > Good work Anurag. > > 1. Yes the most benefic planet will be the primary focus of the curse. > 2. The aspecting planets ruled houses will determine the areas that is > affected. In case of rulership of two houses the stronger has to be taken. > But you stated in you email you mind was affected. Can you tell which areas > of the 6th and 7th house were affected. See for Saturn 6th is the stronger. > 3. Yes by wearing a stone and not suffering to burn your karmas one is just > postponing one's karmas and this leads to suffering in later life. > 4. This I understand is not applicable for Mantras. It's not akin to stone, > because your are putting effort to recite Mantras. > 5. Yes one has to time the affect of the curses from the Moola dasa. > > Finally I wanted to know how these curses can be mitigated. Your jyotilingam > is Vaidyanath and you seem to have gone to Rameshwaram which is a > jyotilingam for Aries. Please clarify. And see my 6th house comment. > > With best wishes, > Mike > > > [] On > Behalf Of Anurag Sharma > Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:25 PM > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > Mike, > > One or two other words about Curses. If the Moola Dasha planet > aspects or conjoins another afflicted area or 'trouble spot' then > that would be activated too.For example, going by the definition of > the 'source' of the suffering, the stronger house owned by the > malefic is to be seen. For example, In Bhagwan Shri Ram's chart, the > 7th House is stronger, and the 'source' of the suffering is the 7th. > > However, the other areas, such as where the natural malefic is > placed, another house or benefic planetaspected or conjoined the > Moola Dasha graha (could be a benefic also, if it is qualified to > deliver the results of the Shrapa due to conjunction!) and afflicted > by more malefics will also bring suffering. > > Narasimha Rao in his lectures does not really recommend the > prescription of gemstones to alleviate the suffering brought by a > planet in the Moola Dasha scheme. Ratnas are a Rajasic measure and > according to the said lectures make their own Karma. In a sense, the > suffering if postponed by wearing the 'nice little ring' or some > such phrase. PVR recommends, and quite rightly in my opinion, that > the consultor should be made aware of the options, whether he would > like to postpone the suffering or just be done with it. Suffering > hurts, and bad suffering can be intolerable, so this question should > be approached with sensitivity. > > Sattwic remedies like Mantra Sadhana, according to PVR, does not > create new Karma or postpone. It addresses the Karma without more. > > Moola Dasha is truly one of the most amazing things I've seen in my > brief Jyotish journey thus far in this incarnation. Like Pt. Rath > says, there is no getting away from the Karma. Quite true. The > example I have given from my own chart also supports this by vurtue > of exhibiting the very interesting interplay of a benefic and potent > Vimshottari Dasha Graha and a malefic Moola Dasha Graha. > > While I am attempting to address this issue in my chart through > Mantra, I have received very positive feedback from people I have > given this remedy to, about the recommended dip in the holy waters > of Rameshvaram, India. I had learnt of this remedy for Matri Shrapa > from Vedic Remedies in Astrology by Pt. Sanjay Rath. The acute > mental suffering that can come from Matri Shrapa has been alleviated > discernibly by this trip and ritual bathing at Rameshvaram. > > Best wishes, > Anurag Sharma > http://www.planetar <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> > ytransformation.blogspot.com > > @ <%40> > , "Anurag Sharma" > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > Hello Mike, > > > > The Curse of the Mother is the primary curse because the Moon is > the > > most benefic planet out of any of the natural benefics afflicted > by > > two or more natural malefics. It is afflicted by Rahu, Saturn and > > Sun. The Amavasya Dosha is not a curse but a flaw in the quality > of > > time as it were. Therefore, the curse of the Mother is primary. > > > > It is frequently found that the upcoming Dasha begins to manifest > > before it actually begins. Of course, it hasn't actually begun but > > often one can feel the difference, say from when the ongoing Dasha > > was in its midst. > > > > Best wishes, > > Anurag > > http://www.planetar <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> > ytransformation.blogspot.com > > @ <%40> > , "Michael Travass" > > <michael.travass@> wrote: > > > > > > Anurag, > > > > > > Can you clarify why the Mothers curse is the primary curse. > > > > > > And then further on you also said ' <'@Dashas> Dashas > start > > giving > > > their results about a > > > year before they are to start. ' Is this true? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > [@ <%40> > ] On > > > Behalf Of Anurag Sharma > > > Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:15 PM > > > @ <%40> > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pranav, > > > > > > As Visti said timing is always done from the Moola Dasha for > > curses. > > > But just to share a bit of personal understanding of this > question > > > in the context of Vimshottari Dasha for example. > > > > > > In my own case (11th June, 1972;10:17:56AM; Cuttack, Orissa, > > India) > > > the Moola Dasha of Rahu has been running since 1990! Even the > > other > > > Moola Dashas prior to that were those of planets involved in > > curses > > > in the 10th House: Matri Shrapa and Pitri Rina as too Amavasya > > > Dosha. Out of these the curse of Mother is the primary curse. > > > > > > Basically Rahu Vimshottari Dasha ran from 1979-1997. Vimshottari > > > Dasha started from Chandra Nakshtra is mind-centric. It is > > focussed > > > on the mind of the native and how the native interprets life. > This > > > Vimshottari Dasha coincided with adverse Moola Dashas. So the > root > > > of the Karma being experienced, the underlying theme as it were, > > was > > > onerous and as Rahu participates in the Curse, the mental > > > experience, the societal experience was that of delusion, > > > recklessness, great mental pain, inexplicable suffering, vices > > (6th > > > House), ill-health (6th House)...So, the Vomshottari Dasha ruled > > the > > > way things were happening to the mind, which unless one is > > > schizophrenic, reflects accurately what is happening in life; > even > > > otherwise the Moon indicates manifestation. > > > > > > Even so, as Rahu is in the 3rd House from the AL, it ensured, > > > despite such clouding, good academic performance and entry into > > the > > > best public school in India. Thereafter, it continued to take > one > > to > > > arguably the best non-technical college in India. But the > > > frustration and the hurt to the mind continued unabated. The > real > > > Karma or the underlying reality of events was sour due to the > > Moola > > > Dasha. So the efforts were compounded. > > > > > > Guru Vimshottari Dasha started while the Rahu Moola dasha > > continues. > > > The root of the Karma being experienced is still "mentally > cursed" > > > due to the fact that Rahu Moola dasha particpates in the Matri > > > Shrapa, but the mental reality shown by the Vimshottari Dasha > has > > > completely changed the manifest world, seen from the Rashi > Chakra. > > > > > > Guru brought Jnana, Sattwa, Jyotish, myth, very good health, > > > perspective (totally lacking, literally, in the Rahu Vimshottari > > > Dasha), comfortable financial surroundings and utterly altered > the > > > landscape. But has the Curse of the Moon gone? No. There is the > > same > > > underlying element to the root Karma but is is also altered due > to > > > the Vimshottari. > > > > > > Guru MD ensures an 'understanding' of the suffering through > > Jyotish. > > > It also gives such surroundings that the curse is not severe in > > the > > > sense it was severe in Rahu. It is still identically severe 'in > > > itself' but as the landscape is totally changed, it feels > > different. > > > > > > The Curse will only go with the Rahu Moola Dasha and the > upcoming > > > Budh Moola Dasha has started knocking on the door. Pt. Sanjay > Rath > > > says that as Jyotishis we must look for Nimitta as the average > > > person cannot catch them. Dashas start giving their results > about > > a > > > year before they are to start. > > > > > > In this sense some of the finer details of Karma might be > > attempted > > > to be understood. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Anurag Sharma > > > http://www.planetar > > <http://www.planetar <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> > ytransformation.blogspot.com> > > > ytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Pranav, Namaskar > > > > How long the curses will be affective depends on the nature of > > the > > > curse. > > > > Timing should always be done with Mula dasa. The other dasas > are > > > really just > > > > indicators. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> > > http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > [@ <%40> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of sushmagupta51 > > > > 15 September 2006 17:04 > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !Om Gurveh namah! > > > > Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! > > > > > > > > When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? > > > > > > > > I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava > > Shaap > > > most > > > > effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there > > > throughout > > > > life. > > > > > > > > Let me know when you get a moment. > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Pranav > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Twinkle, Namaskar > > > > The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the > navamsa > > in > > > addition > > > > with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, > > > dual, movable > > > > navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to > understand > > > the exact > > > > past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of > the > > > > karmic-experience. > > > > Your second question is abit unclear to me. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> > > http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> com > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > [@ <%40> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya > > > > 13 September 2006 10:30 > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah! > > > > dear vistiji, > > > > > > > > i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two > or > > > more > > > > malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long > > period....say > > > > conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in > > > 1979. > > > > similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting > is > > > from > > > > aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such > cases > > > > people born under a particular lagna will have same house > > > afflicted. > > > > does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri > > > > shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the > > > > intensity of the shrapa. > > > > > > > > also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect > > that > > > > partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal > > > > curse?? > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > > 40srigaruda.com> > > > com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > > > > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha > > dristi > > > > > from > > > > > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse > is > > > > > more > > > > > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > *** > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > > com/> > > > com/> > > > http://srigaruda. > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> com > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > [@ <% 40> > > > > ] On > > > > > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > > > > > 12 September 2006 12:16 > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM > > > > > Dear Guruji, > > > > > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > > > > > suffering that > > > > > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > > > > > Regards > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > > > 40srigaruda.com> > > > > com> > > > > > @ <@ > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > Dear Sir, Namaskar > > > > > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > > > > > though. > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > *** > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > > com/> com> > > > http://srigaruda. > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> com > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > @ <@ > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > [@ <% 40> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Narender > > > > > mahendra > > > > > 12 September 2006 10:32 > > > > > @ <@ > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > > > > > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > > > > > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% > > 40srigaruda.com> > > > > > com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > > > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > > > > > shaapa where a person is > > > > > > cursing you. > > > > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > > > > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > > > > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > > > > > from a graha shaapa. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> /> > > > <http://srigaruda. > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> com/> com/> > > > > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda./> /> /> > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > > com/> com> > > > com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > @ <% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > [@ <% > 40> > > > > > ] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > > > > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > > > > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > > > > > > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > > > > > "bhava > > > > > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > > > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > > > > > of > > > > > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > > > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > > > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > > > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > > > > > either get married or causes > > > > > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > Is that not what your > > > > > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> /> > > > <http://srigaruda. > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> /> > <http://srigaruda. > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> > > > com/> > > > > > com/> > > > > > com/> > > > > > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> /> > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> /> /> > > > <http://srigaruda. > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > com/> com> com> com > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > ] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > > > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > > > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > > > > > you both are talking about > > > > > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > > > > > i.e., > > > > > > > where the cursed planet > > > > > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > > > > > the > > > > > > > circumstances that > > > > > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > > > > > malefics having graha > > > > > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > house in both rasi > > > > > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > > > > > under > > > > > > > the influence of two > > > > > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > > > > > under > > > > > > > the gaze of two > > > > > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > > > > > (Sani > > > > > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > > > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > > > > > malefic influences while > > > > > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > > > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > > > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > > > > > usually > > > > > > > indicates a widow. > > > > > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > > > > > Mangal > > > > > > > itself, it shows that > > > > > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > > > > > Sani, > > > > > > > the latter is > > > > > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > > > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > > > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > > > > > mother-like person who will > > > > > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > > > > > and the engagement was > > > > > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > > > > > latent > > > > > > > in this situation have > > > > > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > > > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > > > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > > > > > relatively unscathed > > > > > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > > > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > > > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > > > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > > > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > > > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > > > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > > > > > Chandi patha under a > > > > > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > > > > > Me > > > > > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > > > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > > > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > > > > > of the cursed planet also > > > > > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the bhava where the > > > > > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > > > > > this > > > > > > > bhava shows the issue > > > > > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > > > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > > > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > > > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > > > > > house). The whole problem > > > > > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > > > > > for her own son and for > > > > > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > > > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > throne would still > > > > > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > > > > > have arisen. > > > > > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > > > > > cannot say that the results > > > > > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > > > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something > new > > > > > http://in.answers. <http://in.answers. > <http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> /> /> > > > <http://in.answers. > > > > <http://in.answers. <http://in.answers. <http://in.answers./> > /> /> > > /> > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > http://mail. <http://mail. <http://mail. </> > /> > /> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 !Om Gurveh Namah! Dear Anurag ji, Namaskar! Thank you for the detailed email with an example, it clarified my doubts. Warm regards, Pranav Anurag Sharma <anuraagsharma27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Pranav, As Visti said timing is always done from the Moola Dasha for curses. But just to share a bit of personal understanding of this question in the context of Vimshottari Dasha for example. In my own case (11th June, 1972;10:17:56AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India) the Moola Dasha of Rahu has been running since 1990! Even the other Moola Dashas prior to that were those of planets involved in curses in the 10th House: Matri Shrapa and Pitri Rina as too Amavasya Dosha. Out of these the curse of Mother is the primary curse. Basically Rahu Vimshottari Dasha ran from 1979-1997. Vimshottari Dasha started from Chandra Nakshtra is mind-centric. It is focussed on the mind of the native and how the native interprets life. This Vimshottari Dasha coincided with adverse Moola Dashas. So the root of the Karma being experienced, the underlying theme as it were, was onerous and as Rahu participates in the Curse, the mental experience, the societal experience was that of delusion, recklessness, great mental pain, inexplicable suffering, vices (6th House), ill-health (6th House)...So, the Vomshottari Dasha ruled the way things were happening to the mind, which unless one is schizophrenic, reflects accurately what is happening in life; even otherwise the Moon indicates manifestation. Even so, as Rahu is in the 3rd House from the AL, it ensured, despite such clouding, good academic performance and entry into the best public school in India. Thereafter, it continued to take one to arguably the best non-technical college in India. But the frustration and the hurt to the mind continued unabated. The real Karma or the underlying reality of events was sour due to the Moola Dasha. So the efforts were compounded. Guru Vimshottari Dasha started while the Rahu Moola dasha continues. The root of the Karma being experienced is still "mentally cursed" due to the fact that Rahu Moola dasha particpates in the Matri Shrapa, but the mental reality shown by the Vimshottari Dasha has completely changed the manifest world, seen from the Rashi Chakra. Guru brought Jnana, Sattwa, Jyotish, myth, very good health, perspective (totally lacking, literally, in the Rahu Vimshottari Dasha), comfortable financial surroundings and utterly altered the landscape. But has the Curse of the Moon gone? No. There is the same underlying element to the root Karma but is is also altered due to the Vimshottari. Guru MD ensures an 'understanding' of the suffering through Jyotish. It also gives such surroundings that the curse is not severe in the sense it was severe in Rahu. It is still identically severe 'in itself' but as the landscape is totally changed, it feels different. The Curse will only go with the Rahu Moola Dasha and the upcoming Budh Moola Dasha has started knocking on the door. Pt. Sanjay Rath says that as Jyotishis we must look for Nimitta as the average person cannot catch them. Dashas start giving their results about a year before they are to start. In this sense some of the finer details of Karma might be attempted to be understood. Best Wishes, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Pranav, Namaskar > How long the curses will be affective depends on the nature of the curse. > Timing should always be done with Mula dasa. The other dasas are really just > indicators. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of sushmagupta51 > 15 September 2006 17:04 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > > > !Om Gurveh namah! > Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! > > When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? > > I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava Shaap most > effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there throughout > life. > > Let me know when you get a moment. > > Warm regards, > Pranav > > Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Twinkle, Namaskar > The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa in addition > with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, dual, movable > navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to understand the exact > past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of the > karmic-experience. > Your second question is abit unclear to me. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya > 13 September 2006 10:30 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji > > > om gurave namah! > dear vistiji, > > i have a doubt regarding bhava shrapa. the conjuntion of two or more > malefics in a particular bhava can be for a very long period....say > conjuntion of rahu and sat in leo was there for people born in 1979. > similarly again sat will be in leo and rahu will be aspecting is from > aquarius. this will also be there for a long time. in such cases > people born under a particular lagna will have same house afflicted. > does this mean that they all will have this bhava shrapa (pitri > shrapa) ?? i'm sure there must be some basis for finding the > intensity of the shrapa. > > also whether the planets resulting in bhava shrapa will affect that > partciular bhava or the curse will manifest itslef as in normal > curse?? > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > Yes, conjunction can affect one physically. Also if graha dristi > > from > > malefics also happens to be rasi dristi, then also the curse is > > more > > intense. Even more so if the rasi is an abhimukha sign. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com/> com > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <%40> > > > [@ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > > 12 September 2006 12:16 > > @ <%40> > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > OM > > Dear Guruji, > > Can we say that malefic who is Yuti will give more intense > > suffering that > > malefic which gives drsti in Saapa ? > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti% 40srigaruda.com> > com> > > @ <@ > <%40> > > > > > Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sir, Namaskar > > Aspect and conjunction go hand in hand. Conjunction is worst > > though. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com> http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com/> com > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > @ <@ > <%40> > > > > > [@ <%40> > ] On Behalf Of Narender > > mahendra > > 12 September 2006 10:32 > > @ <@ > <%40> > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava Shrapa > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > > Dear Visti,Namaskar > > > > Thanks for giving the reply,one more query what if two > > malefics conjuct a planet of a bhava , you have > > mentioned only aspect. Thank you. > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> > > com> > > wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Narender, Namaskar > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a graha, it is Graha > > > shaapa where a person is > > > cursing you. > > > When 2 or more malefics aspect a bhava, Hari has > > > called it Bhava Shaapa, but > > > really it means some dosha is there which is arising > > > from a graha shaapa. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> com/> > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com> com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ <%40> > > > > > [@ <%40> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of Narender mahendra > > > 01 September 2006 11:41 > > > @ <%40> > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH > > > Dear Visti namaskar, > > > > > > I had met u in the Hyderabad ("Venakatesha Sharma > > > workshop on varga chakras). > > > > > > whenever u find time please reply as to what is > > > "bhava > > > shapa" and "gruha shapa". > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s rigaruda.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Hari, Namaskar > > > > You didn't catch the point. If Bhava is the issue > > > of > > > > a curse, then Bhava > > > > Shaapa causes problems due to that issue. For > > > > example: curse on the seventh > > > > house (without any planets) causes problems to > > > > either get married or causes > > > > disturbances from outside elements in the > > > marriage. > > > > Is that not what your > > > > issue is?.. no person has brought the issue just > > > > circumstances. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda./> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com/> com/> > > com/> > > com/> > > > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda./> <http://srigaruda. > <http://srigaruda.com/> com> com> com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > @ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > [@ > > > <%40> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya > > > > 29 August 2006 14:08 > > > > @ > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Bhava > > > > Shrapa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |om| > > > > Dear Visti and Anurag, namaste > > > > > > > > Thanks for your views on bhava shaapa. Of course, > > > > you both are talking about > > > > the bhava where all the 'action' is happening > > > i.e., > > > > where the cursed planet > > > > is. Your point that the bhava in focus will show > > > the > > > > circumstances that > > > > activate the curse is understood well. > > > > > > > > I refer to the other situation namely two or more > > > > malefics having graha > > > > dristi on a bhava. For example in my chart, the > > > 7th > > > > house in both rasi > > > > (Sani and Rahu) and navamsa (Mangal & Rahu) is > > > under > > > > the influence of two > > > > malefics while the 7th lord & kalatrakaraka is > > > under > > > > the gaze of two > > > > malefics in both rasi (Sun and Rahu) & navamsa > > > (Sani > > > > and Rahu) The rasi > > > > chart will show the circumstances triggering those > > > > malefic influences while > > > > the navamsa shows the person who will deliver the > > > > blows. It is very easy to > > > > make out that Rahu is the common factor and > > > usually > > > > indicates a widow. > > > > Mangal is the AK and with the current dasa of > > > Mangal > > > > itself, it shows that > > > > the destiny is sure to operate. Among Sun and > > > Sani, > > > > the latter is > > > > debilitated in navamsa despite being conjoined an > > > > exalted Sun...being in 7th > > > > house of rasi and the MK as well, it shows a > > > > mother-like person who will > > > > introduce me to a widow. Yes, that indeed happened > > > > and the engagement was > > > > broken off by the widow. Hopefully the karmas > > > latent > > > > in this situation have > > > > been fulfilled and I am now free to sail on the > > > > samsarasagaarasya. Sanjay > > > > was very proud that I came out of the situation > > > > relatively unscathed > > > > entirely due to Guru's grace, the most benevolent > > > > Lord Shiva that sits in > > > > lagna and guards the native. > > > > > > > > But Visti, you are right...the pachakadi sambandha > > > > between Ma and Me remains > > > > to be corrected. Perhaps not dasamahavidya worship > > > > for now but maybe Devi > > > > Mahatmyam helps? Have just learnt how to do the > > > > Chandi patha under a > > > > qualified person. I wonder though on seeing that > > > Me > > > > (DK) is in the MKS from > > > > AK Ma in navamsa...am I destined to have a smooth > > > > relationship at all? > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) > > > <visti%40srigaruda.com> com> com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Hari and Anurag, Namaskar > > > > When you study curses, you find that the placement > > > > of the cursed planet also > > > > has a profound effect, and thus we are referring > > > to > > > > the bhava where the > > > > curse is occuring. Invariably i have found that > > > this > > > > bhava shows the issue > > > > of the curse. Take Sri Ramas chart. Because an > > > > 'allied' curse is on the > > > > father (sun) in the tenth house, it shows the > > > issue > > > > for the fathers sorrow > > > > and problems is the issue of the throneship (tenth > > > > house). The whole problem > > > > was that the queen of Dasaratha wanted the thrown > > > > for her own son and for > > > > this reason wanted Sri Rama banished. > > > > Had the Sun not been placed there, the issue of > > > the > > > > throne would still > > > > arise, but the suffering to the father would not > > > > have arisen. > > > > So bhava shaapa definitely is important, but i > > > > cannot say that the results > > > > are as intense as a graha-shaapa. Infact bhava > > > > shaapa is more like a dosha. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ________ > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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