Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Shri Prafullaji, Sir yes bhoga,if a pre-condition for detachment is always better and superior to the other path where desires are supressed and detachement is clinged to forcefully.(Just like Gruhastashram) Abour God women - at least I have a soft corner for women since childhood days ,probably thats why I will not target them easily or like to view them in any bad light. Whenever I see a women preacher on TV Channels first of all I dont take them as Maa or some other role model and put them on pedestal. Just take a outsiders view and marvel at their smartness, oratory powers. Some those who overdo their acting I will pass a small remark to one of the family members if any is near me and switch to some other channel. About others I do not know.,why they do not talk of God women. regards, Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji / others, > > Let me put a different perspective. Ketu is termed as moksha karaka. Can moksha come without detatchment from "maya" - but is it necessary for native to go through "bhoga" first as precondition of detatchment? In my view - Yes. > > If someone has not used mercedes, can he be seen detatched from it. He got to use it and then get over the rajas / tamas tatva. > > So many of rajasik / tamasik emergence of any person (may be selectively called as "godmen") - can be part of his journey (not necessarily to be completing in this janma). > > That is why ketu - which is often curtailing planet for consumption of "rajas" - is seen often working as catalyst for "maya", before it induces detatchment. We are not debating the timing of events - but the patterns. > > Ranjan ji - you have raised an interesting question of - not many women becoming "god(wo)men". I am still searching for answer. On corelation - our scriptures do not mention many women saints either (compared to male ones) - who did tapasya for years. May be karmically - they are more inclined to karmic pursuance (fulfillemnt of dharma) through motherhood and many more obligations. So that itself complies with dharma definition in totality. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations. > ************************************************ > > > > > > nalini2818 > > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:02:59 -0000 > > > > Re: GOD MEN OR MONEY SPINNERS ? > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > The problem with us humans is that we reach out to and desire the > > unattainable. We also try to satisfy ourselves that the (wo)man next > > to us is not perfect and try to find any conceivable fault and we do > > succeed as you rightly said perfection in mortals is impossible. > > But in this present days of evangelist- Chief Ministers and > > unscrupulous politicians bending backwards to appease the > > *minorities* are they so any more? I think the terms economically > > backward, socially disadvantaged,minorities are due for redefining. > > We might be alarmed at the results. > > Anyways India might shortly be shorn off Hindutva at the present > > rate of goings on. > > Nalini > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Naliniji, > >> > >> Certainly. We have better call them as good men instead of God men. > >> And good men too in a relative way. Because perfection cannot > > exist > >> in humans. Its a rare existence. They too will have their own > >> weaknesses maybe in a lesser degree then others.It would be folly > > on > >> our part or asking too much if we put them on pedestal of Gods. > >> Or else as Shri Prashantji suggestd we may call them Holy men. > >> > >> What You said I liked very much. Its better to be content to > >> find good in men (Gender encompassing). Period. > >> > >> regards, > >> Bhaskar. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> , "auromirra19" > >> <nalini2818@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Sri Prashant ji, Bhaskarji and all, > >>> > >>> Namaskar. > >>> We are talking about God Men and not about God. They are but > > men, > >>> better defined as Good men. They are still not infallible as God > >>> alone is considered infallible.As long as the money so spun is > > used > >>> for the good of the humanity so be it. > >>> > >>> The good works of Sri satya Sai baba are well known nay can we > >>> compare them to those of the Sai Baba of Dwarkamayi. Each of > > these > >>> good men have their virtues and as long as these benefit the > > masses > >>> and outnumber the so called *vices*, so far so good. > >>> > >>> We can hardly find saints in the present era and the last of > > them > >>> was Kanchi Mahaperiyaval. So it is but in vain that we search > > for > >>> God among Men, instead be content to find Good in Men(gender > >>> encompassing). > >>> Regards > >>> Nalini > >>> > >>> , "Bhaskar" > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Shri Prashant sahab, > >>>> > >>>> Namaste, > >>>> > >>>> I do not know about this side of Him. normally we comment on > >>> people > >>>> only on the side we know of. These comments also change, they > > are > >>>> never permanent, they change when we see the better side of > > ones > >>>> persona, then though the negatives may still remain, yet we > > learn > >>> to > >>>> ignore the darker ones and concentrate on the good ones, and > > at > >>> that > >>>> times,the good comments come forth. Now you have given a new > >>>> perspective to this gentleman a side which at least i knew not, > >>>> anyway persons like me are commoners whose views as I said > > change > >>> as > >>>> per new revelations received, and better understanding, > > therefore > >>>> please treat my comments on such matters as relative and > > subject > >>> to > >>>> change. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Anyway it was not personal and not intended to malign anyone, > >>>> neither a God man nor supporter, just what was apparently > > noticed > >>> by > >>>> the viewer in this case, also acknowledging the good name > >>>> of God being spread by these men whatever may be the motives, > > is > >>> not > >>>> for us to look into. Thanking you for taking pains to show the > >>> bright > >>>> side. I was inside not feeling very happy to write what I > > wrote in > >>>> my previous post frankly speaking and being honest with You. > >>>> > >>>> regards, > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > >>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Bhaskar > >>>>> > >>>>> I have been to a few of this holy men INCLUDING THIS SRI > > SRI > >>>> RAVISHANKAR ji, he has done comendable work for pro Hindu > > work > >>>> unless u see him and his speeches u may never get to know him > >> on > >>> TV > >>>> he is no good but I have heard his lecture cassettes, CDs > > good > >>>> material > >>>>> > >>>>> HE IS THE ONLY HINDU who has protested and not got labeled > > as > >>>> communal for asking Govt of India in subsidising Huj > > pilgrimage > >>> and > >>>> not Nanakshaib or Manasgangotri trips for siekhs, and Hindus . > >>>>> he also has openly critised the double standards they show > > to > >>>> Hindu charities where the govt has a endowment ministry and > >>> swallows > >>>> its money no real temple protection, funding is done. > >>>>> where as Wakf board and church are free to amass wealth > >>> assets, > >>>> buy sell, no questions asked. and NO MINISTRY tons of money > > come > >>>> from gulf for wakf and from West for church to convert Hindus > > to > >>>> christanity at approx 30k per head, he has protested > >>>>> but pravin togadia and others make it so badly we feel > > that > >>> other > >>>> devils r better the church or wakf activities. > >>>>> > >>>>> RAVI SHANKAR NEVER CALLED himself god as I know he said he > >> isa > >>>> sadhu a sadhu can have a family life too, not a sanyasi. > >>>>> he has the world around him no other Hindu figure gets > > such a > >>>> following he pays all his voulenteers monthly exp at actuals. > >> for > >>>> any activity all musicians, vedic pandits are paid well and > >> their > >>>> services used from time to time. has no known scandel on him > > yet > >>> but > >>>> the missionaries willtarget him someway soon. > >>>>> > >>>>> all pouplar Hindu figures, spots inthe last 3 yrs have > > been > >>>> discredited debunked even sabrimala temple is the latest. > >>>>> > >>>>> the Lucknow school incident is a sad one where if at all > >>> Hindus > >>>> react it is so poorly why not protest for days and make a > > point, > >>>> why vandelsie the area and get a bad name...! > >>>>> > >>>>> I will ask the principal to urgently see Bush Jr and also > > go > >>> to > >>>> Iraq and save millions of life if he really so real, just > > make > >>>> belive hysteronics.if Hindus did it will be called > > obscurunist, > >>>> communal, the left, secular parties r silent till date. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>> wrote: > > Certainly > >>> one > >>>> among us in India who calls himself Bhagwan , and has a > >>>>> great fan following , may have done some Bhajans and > >>> histrionics > >>>> too > >>>>> on stage by trying to mimic Lord Shankar Bhagvan, but > >>>>> ultimately he is a money spinner. Any of his courses you > > go , > >>>>> not less than Rs.2000- That means in other words only the > >> rich > >>>> can come > >>>>> in his fold or become devotees of God ? > >>>>> What he speaks you cant understand half of the time, and > > many > >>>>> times better replies can be given by a small child too. > >>>>> just by having hair on body one does not become man, your > >> face > >>>> should > >>>>> depict the seriousness needed in spiritual undertakings. > >>>>> Once in a while humor is good, but not all times giggling > >> like > >>>>> a girl.A proper public image has to be mantained. > >>>>> anyway Not here to degress anyone. But all are not real men > >>>>> of God. these just use religion as a tool for earning > > money > >>> and > >>>> filling > >>>>> their own coffers. Some good is created in the process by > >>> these > >>>> men is > >>>>> a seperate matter. Anyday I would prefer a unsung pandit > >>> giving > >>>>> lectrures who is a real spiritual person by way of living > > and > >>>> behaviour. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just like I would prefer books of Gita press any day to > >>>> Taraporewala > >>>>> Sons and Co., who have got the best spiritual books, but > > at > >>> what > >>>> a > >>>>> price? they dont even mention the price printed on the > > books, > >>>> they have > >>>>> a seperate list which keeps on changing as per demand from > >>>> foreign > >>>>> buyers. Whereas Gita Press is having too the finest books > > in > >>> the > >>>> world > >>>>> but at the cheapest prices for even a poor man/labourer > >> earning > >>>>> Rs.20 a day. These are real men of God (Working in Gita > >> Press), > >>>>> spreading the name of God through cheap priced > > literatures, > >>>> books, > >>>>> mgazines etc. with no stage shows, no media publicity, no > >>> personal > >>>>> charishmatic behaviours . I bow to these and men like > > Swami > >>>> Sivananda of > >>>>> haridwar. > >>>>> > >>>>> regards, > >>>>> bhaskar. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to- > >>> Phone > >>>> call rates. > >>>>> > >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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