Humility & learning lessons of life/Rahu-Ego-Correction

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Dear Lakshmi ji

 

Sorry for the addition again:-).

I had found Madanascha for Shukra in dashadhyayi and took Madascha

in our case for mohas like madana and linked it to Shukra.I am not

sure if this can be done.

Mada is pride and hence Madashca Rahu can be ''pride for Rahu''.

As i am not very strong in grammar,i do not know how to link them

properly.

 

Hope learned members will correct.

Pradeep

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Lakshmi ji

>

> To add.I did not have proper fonts to read the shloka from Visti

> ji.But when i had downloaded the pdf of his article,shloka is

clear.

>

> Here Guru sito is Guru and Venus and Jnana sukkha and Madacha is

> referring to Jnana and Madana sukhas respectively.

>

> Rahu shani Kaalanarasya dukham -i cannot understand rahu being

> linked to ego over here.My sanskrit knowledge is poor and others

> better leanrned can help.I feel Rahu is Manda samah and also a

> papagraha and hence can be cause for Dukha for nara along with

Shani.

>

> Kindly correct if i am wrong.

> Pradeep

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi ji

> >

> > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not have a

> sanskrit

> > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand

Varahamihira

> and

> > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> >

> > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar

feeling

> > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -Madana

Sukha

> and

> > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include

Rahu/Ketu.

> >

> > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common one.How

did

> > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one translation

> > relating Rahu and Ego.

> >

> > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed.

However,

> i

> > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which sets

the

> > > correct context in which your quote should be interpreted.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend to

> rectify

> > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me, Visti

> (bless

> > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4 of

> saravali,

> > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on

> srigaruda.com)

> > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > >

> > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha väëé|

> > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya

> duùkham||1||

> > >

> > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates the

> strength,

> > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness respectively,

> ones

> > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of grief.

> > >

> > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already quoted

by

> you)

> > >

> > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if their

> placement

> > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets are

> weak,

> > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn it is

> > > different.

> > >

> > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is strong,

then

> mind

> > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if jupiter is

> strong

> > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then one's

> > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego is

> strong,

> > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so because

Saturn

> > > gives a different result.

> > >

> > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong

Saturn?

> If

> > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > >

> > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana Varma

> mentioned

> > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the previous

> shloka!!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the way

nature

> and

> > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is impeccable.

> Here is

> > > the

> > > > shloka:

> > > >

> > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > >

> > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > >

> > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > >

> > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman said.

> You

> > > may

> > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line and ULW

> > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I know. I

> have not

> > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also said

that

> all

> > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets,

whether

> > > benefic

> > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of view

and

> > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are strong.

> How do

> > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out of

> context?

> > > > >

> > > > > I also requested you to give the source and context of

your

> > > quote.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said, by

> principle

> > > and

> > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly accept

> > > whatever

> > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your knowledge

and

> > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help

wondering

> why

> > > you

> > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the

vision/experience

> of

> > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of the

> quote....if

> > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go through

> your

> > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert to you

> later

> > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am convinced

> what

> > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in correcting

> myself.

> > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a student:--

))

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do with

> what

> > > Dr.

> > > > > Raman

> > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not prove a

> point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's chart

> Surya

> > > is

> > > > > lord of

> > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful Raj

> yoga. At

> > > > > the same

> > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you may

have

> to

> > > think

> > > > > again

> > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura. Think

about

> > > what it

> > > > > did

> > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring that

> it

> > > became

> > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at what

> happened to

> > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th bhava.

In

> each

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the

planets

> > > occupy

> > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in previous

> mail),

> > > > > without

> > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people, and

> then

> > > make

> > > > > up

> > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I said.

Did

> you

> > > > > know

> > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma of

left

> hand

> > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > you

> > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In Paramhans

> > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a planet in

> > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

exaltation

> in

> > > rasi

> > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam has

> already

> > > been

> > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri Aurobindo,

I

> trust

> > > > > you are

> > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he was

> editor

> > > of a

> > > > > paper

> > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft language.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M. Yogas.

> Every

> > > > > graha is

> > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed to

it,

> at

> > > the

> > > > > very

> > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would all

> give

> > > > > identical

> > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with Pancha

> > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India (barring

> Saturn),

> > > > > just

> > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us principles

and

> > > > > expected us

> > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the reference

to

> > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

respected

> > > amongst

> > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept anything

> that

> > > does

> > > > > not fit

> > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it would

be

> an

> > > > > exercise

> > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I would of

> course

> > > be

> > > > > glad to

> > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman that

> strong

> > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results, while

> weak

> > > planets

> > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about

strong

> > > malefics

> > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to what

all

> the

> > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that

strong

> > > malefics

> > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that their

> > > significations

> > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars in 5th

> house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H) and

Rahu

> > > (4H).

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while debilitated

in

> > > navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for "vipareetam

shaneH

> > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's placement in

> the

> > > 8th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives good

> results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because i

would

> > > like to

> > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that with

> > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the shubha

> grahas

> > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

beneficial

> or

> > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years old, and

> > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the

second

> > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference between

> > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because according to

> > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad results

> > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets, even if

> > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and

inferior

> > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is more

> > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read the

Karna

> > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the nature

bowed

> > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would teach

> > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn dhanurvidya

> from

> > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be borne in

> mind

> > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana, his

> > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th house (I

> > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of death,

hence

> > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras

> (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in south and

> > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not as a

> > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of the

dasha

> > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had promotions

> and

> > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It is

> > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or so as

that

> > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not have any

> > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu would

> > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you guessed

but

> > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga after

all)

> > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha instead of

Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say so but

> > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa graha

> > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha trikona and

> > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed to be

> > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its home

> that

> > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more popularly

> called

> > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is really

> > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at its most

> > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent water

bodies

> > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My father

> > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i

received

> > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing, Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I guess

> > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were weak?

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also giving

the

> > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and heavily

> > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies, so why

> > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Pradeep,

 

As you have correctly assessed, the term in the shloka is

indeed "mada" meaning false pride, vanity, ego etc and "mada", as

you know, is one of the shadripus. Shukra rules all sukha and madana

sukha is one of the sukhas and not the only one. The meaning

of "cha" in the present context is "and".

 

I did study Sanskrit in my graduation, but I am certainly not an

expert. I am still a learner. Narasimha, as you must know, is an

expert in sanskrit. I hope he corrects our mistakes.

 

I can not comment on the version of Saravali etc, because i do not

have the book. But i do think that the shloka is correct, because

the other translation of saravali i have also gives the same

significations. I also trust Visti and feel that he would have

double checked every small thing before quoting it in his article.

 

I agree with you that usually Rahu's significtions are not

separately given...but Kalyana Varma perhaps wanted to specially

distinguish between Rahu and Saturn, and i think he is correct. The

results Rahu gives are similar to those given by Saturn, but the

significations of Rahu are different.

 

For example, Saturn+moon gives Parivraja yoga, but does Rahu+Moon

give the same result? Saturn+Jupiter is said to give Brahma yoga,

while I do not think Rahu+Jupiter means the same thing. Rahu

signifies research, while i do not think Saturn implies the same.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Lakshmi ji

>

> Sorry for the addition again:-).

> I had found Madanascha for Shukra in dashadhyayi and took Madascha

> in our case for mohas like madana and linked it to Shukra.I am not

> sure if this can be done.

> Mada is pride and hence Madashca Rahu can be ''pride for Rahu''.

> As i am not very strong in grammar,i do not know how to link them

> properly.

>

> Hope learned members will correct.

> Pradeep

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi ji

> >

> > To add.I did not have proper fonts to read the shloka from Visti

> > ji.But when i had downloaded the pdf of his article,shloka is

> clear.

> >

> > Here Guru sito is Guru and Venus and Jnana sukkha and Madacha is

> > referring to Jnana and Madana sukhas respectively.

> >

> > Rahu shani Kaalanarasya dukham -i cannot understand rahu being

> > linked to ego over here.My sanskrit knowledge is poor and others

> > better leanrned can help.I feel Rahu is Manda samah and also a

> > papagraha and hence can be cause for Dukha for nara along with

> Shani.

> >

> > Kindly correct if i am wrong.

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > >

> > > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not have a

> > sanskrit

> > > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand

> Varahamihira

> > and

> > > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> > >

> > > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar

> feeling

> > > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> > > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -Madana

> Sukha

> > and

> > > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include

> Rahu/Ketu.

> > >

> > > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common one.How

> did

> > > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one translation

> > > relating Rahu and Ego.

> > >

> > > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed.

> However,

> > i

> > > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which sets

> the

> > > > correct context in which your quote should be interpreted.

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend to

> > rectify

> > > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me,

Visti

> > (bless

> > > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4 of

> > saravali,

> > > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on

> > srigaruda.com)

> > > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > > >

> > > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha

väëé|

> > > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya

> > duùkham||1||

> > > >

> > > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates the

> > strength,

> > > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness respectively,

> > ones

> > > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of grief.

> > > >

> > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already

quoted

> by

> > you)

> > > >

> > > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if their

> > placement

> > > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets are

> > weak,

> > > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn it is

> > > > different.

> > > >

> > > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is strong,

> then

> > mind

> > > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if jupiter

is

> > strong

> > > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then one's

> > > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego is

> > strong,

> > > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so because

> Saturn

> > > > gives a different result.

> > > >

> > > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong

> Saturn?

> > If

> > > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > > >

> > > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana Varma

> > mentioned

> > > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the previous

> > shloka!!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the way

> nature

> > and

> > > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is impeccable.

> > Here is

> > > > the

> > > > > shloka:

> > > > >

> > > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > > >

> > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > > >

> > > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > > >

> > > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman

said.

> > You

> > > > may

> > > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line and

ULW

> > > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I know. I

> > have not

> > > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also said

> that

> > all

> > > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets,

> whether

> > > > benefic

> > > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of view

> and

> > > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are

strong.

> > How do

> > > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out of

> > context?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also requested you to give the source and context of

> your

> > > > quote.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said, by

> > principle

> > > > and

> > > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly

accept

> > > > whatever

> > > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your

knowledge

> and

> > > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help

> wondering

> > why

> > > > you

> > > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the

> vision/experience

> > of

> > > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of the

> > quote....if

> > > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go

through

> > your

> > > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert to

you

> > later

> > > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am

convinced

> > what

> > > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in correcting

> > myself.

> > > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a student:-

-

> ))

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do

with

> > what

> > > > Dr.

> > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not prove a

> > point.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's

chart

> > Surya

> > > > is

> > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful Raj

> > yoga. At

> > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you may

> have

> > to

> > > > think

> > > > > > again

> > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura. Think

> about

> > > > what it

> > > > > > did

> > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring

that

> > it

> > > > became

> > > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at what

> > happened to

> > > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th bhava.

> In

> > each

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the

> planets

> > > > occupy

> > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

previous

> > mail),

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people,

and

> > then

> > > > make

> > > > > > up

> > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I said.

> Did

> > you

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma of

> left

> > hand

> > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In Paramhans

> > > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a planet in

> > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

> exaltation

> > in

> > > > rasi

> > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam has

> > already

> > > > been

> > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri

Aurobindo,

> I

> > trust

> > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he was

> > editor

> > > > of a

> > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft language.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M.

Yogas.

> > Every

> > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed to

> it,

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would

all

> > give

> > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with Pancha

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India (barring

> > Saturn),

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us principles

> and

> > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

reference

> to

> > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

> respected

> > > > amongst

> > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept anything

> > that

> > > > does

> > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it

would

> be

> > an

> > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I would of

> > course

> > > > be

> > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman that

> > strong

> > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results, while

> > weak

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about

> strong

> > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to what

> all

> > the

> > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that

> strong

> > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that their

> > > > significations

> > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars in

5th

> > house

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H) and

> Rahu

> > > > (4H).

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

debilitated

> in

> > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for "vipareetam

> shaneH

> > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's placement

in

> > the

> > > > 8th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives good

> > results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because i

> would

> > > > like to

> > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that with

> > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the shubha

> > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> beneficial

> > or

> > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years old,

and

> > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the

> second

> > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference between

> > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving

Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because according

to

> > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad

results

> > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets, even if

> > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and

> inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is more

> > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read the

> Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the nature

> bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would

teach

> > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

dhanurvidya

> > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be borne

in

> > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana, his

> > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the 10

th

> > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of death,

> hence

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras

> > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in south

and

> > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has digbala

in

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to Surya

as

> > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not as a

> > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of the

> dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

promotions

> > and

> > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It is

> > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or so as

> that

> > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not have

any

> > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu

would

> > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

guessed

> but

> > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga after

> all)

> > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha instead of

> Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say so but

> > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa

graha

> > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha trikona and

> > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed to be

> > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its

home

> > that

> > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more popularly

> > called

> > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is really

> > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at its

most

> > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent water

> bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My father

> > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i

> received

> > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing,

Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I guess

> > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were

weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in

Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also giving

> the

> > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies, so

why

> > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

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Dear Lakshmi ji

 

NAMASTE

 

I was just mentioning the various possiilities.Sanskrit is really

difficult and unless properly decoded,everything can be in chaos.

I have not learned Sanskrit anywhere and thus anyone can correct me:-)

If ''cha'' is for ''and'' as you have said then things will be totally

different.

 

For example Varahamihira says

 

Jeevo JnaanaSukhey SitasCHa Madano Dukham Dineshatmaja

 

Jnana and Sukha from Guru is clear.

 

Now Dashadhyayikaraka says from ''Cha'' shabda in Sitascha one should

understand Jnana as well as Sukha THROUGH SHUKRA apart from Madana.

Meaning the ''cha'' is joining preceding JnanaSukha.

 

Difference is Guru gives VedaJnana while shukra gives Sangeethaathi

Kala jnana.Similarly Guru gives Sattwika Sukha while Shukra gives

Rajasa sukham.Also Madana shows,sugandha

dravyas,food,dress,wife,ornaments,Bhogasthana etc.

 

So madascha can also be part of Shukra -mada meaning madas (all

kama,krodha mohas)!!!!

 

Rahu not being allotted with any karakas is supportive.As you know

better ,Sanskrit can be easily misunderstood.Reagrding bhava

considerations in vargamshas,my reservations are already known and

hence not stressing on that aspect in Visti ji's article.

 

Sun is the LIGHT giving ''life'' to 12 rashis and hence dwadasha

adityas.Let me give my understanding based on leads from classics.Hora

is wealth?Why?It is expansion or multiplication of the SINGLE through

division.

One half of body is Hora(vertical).It is also feminine part and

corresponding to Moon relating to Ardhanareeshwara concept.

 

Drekkana is 1/3rd of Body (horizontal).i feel Brother in true sense is

1/3rd like Lakshmana.Thus 12 rashis represent sthoola shareera and is

parallel to our body.Rashi/Kshethra/bhava are synonymns.Amshas are

pointing to sookshma aspects.Sookshma cannot be studied in isolation.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

<b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Pradeep,

>

> As you have correctly assessed, the term in the shloka is

> indeed "mada" meaning false pride, vanity, ego etc and "mada", as

> you know, is one of the shadripus. Shukra rules all sukha and madana

> sukha is one of the sukhas and not the only one. The meaning

> of "cha" in the present context is "and".

>

> I did study Sanskrit in my graduation, but I am certainly not an

> expert. I am still a learner. Narasimha, as you must know, is an

> expert in sanskrit. I hope he corrects our mistakes.

>

> I can not comment on the version of Saravali etc, because i do not

> have the book. But i do think that the shloka is correct, because

> the other translation of saravali i have also gives the same

> significations. I also trust Visti and feel that he would have

> double checked every small thing before quoting it in his article.

>

> I agree with you that usually Rahu's significtions are not

> separately given...but Kalyana Varma perhaps wanted to specially

> distinguish between Rahu and Saturn, and i think he is correct. The

> results Rahu gives are similar to those given by Saturn, but the

> significations of Rahu are different.

>

> For example, Saturn+moon gives Parivraja yoga, but does Rahu+Moon

> give the same result? Saturn+Jupiter is said to give Brahma yoga,

> while I do not think Rahu+Jupiter means the same thing. Rahu

> signifies research, while i do not think Saturn implies the same.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi ji

> >

> > Sorry for the addition again:-).

> > I had found Madanascha for Shukra in dashadhyayi and took Madascha

> > in our case for mohas like madana and linked it to Shukra.I am not

> > sure if this can be done.

> > Mada is pride and hence Madashca Rahu can be ''pride for Rahu''.

> > As i am not very strong in grammar,i do not know how to link them

> > properly.

> >

> > Hope learned members will correct.

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > >

> > > To add.I did not have proper fonts to read the shloka from Visti

> > > ji.But when i had downloaded the pdf of his article,shloka is

> > clear.

> > >

> > > Here Guru sito is Guru and Venus and Jnana sukkha and Madacha is

> > > referring to Jnana and Madana sukhas respectively.

> > >

> > > Rahu shani Kaalanarasya dukham -i cannot understand rahu being

> > > linked to ego over here.My sanskrit knowledge is poor and others

> > > better leanrned can help.I feel Rahu is Manda samah and also a

> > > papagraha and hence can be cause for Dukha for nara along with

> > Shani.

> > >

> > > Kindly correct if i am wrong.

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > >

> > > > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not have a

> > > sanskrit

> > > > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand

> > Varahamihira

> > > and

> > > > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> > > >

> > > > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar

> > feeling

> > > > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> > > > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -Madana

> > Sukha

> > > and

> > > > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > > > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include

> > Rahu/Ketu.

> > > >

> > > > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common one.How

> > did

> > > > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one translation

> > > > relating Rahu and Ego.

> > > >

> > > > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed.

> > However,

> > > i

> > > > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which sets

> > the

> > > > > correct context in which your quote should be interpreted.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend to

> > > rectify

> > > > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me,

> Visti

> > > (bless

> > > > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4 of

> > > saravali,

> > > > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on

> > > srigaruda.com)

> > > > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > > > >

> > > > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha

> väëé|

> > > > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya

> > > duùkham||1||

> > > > >

> > > > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates the

> > > strength,

> > > > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness respectively,

> > > ones

> > > > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of grief.

> > > > >

> > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already

> quoted

> > by

> > > you)

> > > > >

> > > > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if their

> > > placement

> > > > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets are

> > > weak,

> > > > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn it is

> > > > > different.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > > > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is strong,

> > then

> > > mind

> > > > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if jupiter

> is

> > > strong

> > > > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then one's

> > > > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego is

> > > strong,

> > > > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so because

> > Saturn

> > > > > gives a different result.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong

> > Saturn?

> > > If

> > > > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > > > >

> > > > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana Varma

> > > mentioned

> > > > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the previous

> > > shloka!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the way

> > nature

> > > and

> > > > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is impeccable.

> > > Here is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > shloka:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman

> said.

> > > You

> > > > > may

> > > > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line and

> ULW

> > > > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I know. I

> > > have not

> > > > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also said

> > that

> > > all

> > > > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets,

> > whether

> > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of view

> > and

> > > > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are

> strong.

> > > How do

> > > > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out of

> > > context?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I also requested you to give the source and context of

> > your

> > > > > quote.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said, by

> > > principle

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly

> accept

> > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your

> knowledge

> > and

> > > > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help

> > wondering

> > > why

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the

> > vision/experience

> > > of

> > > > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of the

> > > quote....if

> > > > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go

> through

> > > your

> > > > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert to

> you

> > > later

> > > > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am

> convinced

> > > what

> > > > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in correcting

> > > myself.

> > > > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a student:-

> -

> > ))

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do

> with

> > > what

> > > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not prove a

> > > point.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's

> chart

> > > Surya

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful Raj

> > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you may

> > have

> > > to

> > > > > think

> > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura. Think

> > about

> > > > > what it

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring

> that

> > > it

> > > > > became

> > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at what

> > > happened to

> > > > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th bhava.

> > In

> > > each

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the

> > planets

> > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> previous

> > > mail),

> > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people,

> and

> > > then

> > > > > make

> > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I said.

> > Did

> > > you

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma of

> > left

> > > hand

> > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In Paramhans

> > > > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a planet in

> > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

> > exaltation

> > > in

> > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam has

> > > already

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri

> Aurobindo,

> > I

> > > trust

> > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he was

> > > editor

> > > > > of a

> > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft language.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M.

> Yogas.

> > > Every

> > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed to

> > it,

> > > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would

> all

> > > give

> > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with Pancha

> > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India (barring

> > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us principles

> > and

> > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> reference

> > to

> > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

> > respected

> > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept anything

> > > that

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it

> would

> > be

> > > an

> > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I would of

> > > course

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman that

> > > strong

> > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results, while

> > > weak

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about

> > strong

> > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to what

> > all

> > > the

> > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that

> > strong

> > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that their

> > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars in

> 5th

> > > house

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H) and

> > Rahu

> > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> debilitated

> > in

> > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for "vipareetam

> > shaneH

> > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's placement

> in

> > > the

> > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives good

> > > results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because i

> > would

> > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that with

> > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the shubha

> > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > beneficial

> > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years old,

> and

> > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the

> > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference between

> > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving

> Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because according

> to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad

> results

> > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets, even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and

> > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is more

> > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read the

> > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the nature

> > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would

> teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> dhanurvidya

> > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be borne

> in

> > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana, his

> > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the 10

> th

> > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of death,

> > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras

> > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in south

> and

> > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has digbala

> in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to Surya

> as

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of the

> > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> promotions

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or so as

> > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not have

> any

> > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu

> would

> > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

> guessed

> > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga after

> > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha instead of

> > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say so but

> > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa

> graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha trikona and

> > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its

> home

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more popularly

> > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is really

> > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at its

> most

> > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent water

> > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My father

> > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i

> > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing,

> Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were

> weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in

> Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also giving

> > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies, so

> why

> > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Pradeep,

 

There's a vast difference between "madana" or "kaama" and "mada".

Please refer to any article on shadripus and you will know this.

Please refer to any sanskrit dictionary.

 

However, despite all this, if you still feel that there's no

difference between "madana" and "mada", I am afraid I have nothing

more to contribute, because I see no point in discussing further and

wasting internet resources, when your mind is already made up.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Lakshmi ji

>

> NAMASTE

>

> I was just mentioning the various possiilities.Sanskrit is really

> difficult and unless properly decoded,everything can be in chaos.

> I have not learned Sanskrit anywhere and thus anyone can correct

me:-)

> If ''cha'' is for ''and'' as you have said then things will be

totally

> different.

>

> For example Varahamihira says

>

> Jeevo JnaanaSukhey SitasCHa Madano Dukham Dineshatmaja

>

> Jnana and Sukha from Guru is clear.

>

> Now Dashadhyayikaraka says from ''Cha'' shabda in Sitascha one

should

> understand Jnana as well as Sukha THROUGH SHUKRA apart from Madana.

> Meaning the ''cha'' is joining preceding JnanaSukha.

>

> Difference is Guru gives VedaJnana while shukra gives Sangeethaathi

> Kala jnana.Similarly Guru gives Sattwika Sukha while Shukra gives

> Rajasa sukham.Also Madana shows,sugandha

> dravyas,food,dress,wife,ornaments,Bhogasthana etc.

>

> So madascha can also be part of Shukra -mada meaning madas (all

> kama,krodha mohas)!!!!

>

> Rahu not being allotted with any karakas is supportive.As you know

> better ,Sanskrit can be easily misunderstood.Reagrding bhava

> considerations in vargamshas,my reservations are already known and

> hence not stressing on that aspect in Visti ji's article.

>

> Sun is the LIGHT giving ''life'' to 12 rashis and hence dwadasha

> adityas.Let me give my understanding based on leads from

classics.Hora

> is wealth?Why?It is expansion or multiplication of the SINGLE

through

> division.

> One half of body is Hora(vertical).It is also feminine part and

> corresponding to Moon relating to Ardhanareeshwara concept.

>

> Drekkana is 1/3rd of Body (horizontal).i feel Brother in true

sense is

> 1/3rd like Lakshmana.Thus 12 rashis represent sthoola shareera and

is

> parallel to our body.Rashi/Kshethra/bhava are synonymns.Amshas

are

> pointing to sookshma aspects.Sookshma cannot be studied in

isolation.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

> , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Pradeep,

> >

> > As you have correctly assessed, the term in the shloka is

> > indeed "mada" meaning false pride, vanity, ego etc and "mada",

as

> > you know, is one of the shadripus. Shukra rules all sukha and

madana

> > sukha is one of the sukhas and not the only one. The meaning

> > of "cha" in the present context is "and".

> >

> > I did study Sanskrit in my graduation, but I am certainly not an

> > expert. I am still a learner. Narasimha, as you must know, is an

> > expert in sanskrit. I hope he corrects our mistakes.

> >

> > I can not comment on the version of Saravali etc, because i do

not

> > have the book. But i do think that the shloka is correct,

because

> > the other translation of saravali i have also gives the same

> > significations. I also trust Visti and feel that he would have

> > double checked every small thing before quoting it in his

article.

> >

> > I agree with you that usually Rahu's significtions are not

> > separately given...but Kalyana Varma perhaps wanted to specially

> > distinguish between Rahu and Saturn, and i think he is correct.

The

> > results Rahu gives are similar to those given by Saturn, but the

> > significations of Rahu are different.

> >

> > For example, Saturn+moon gives Parivraja yoga, but does

Rahu+Moon

> > give the same result? Saturn+Jupiter is said to give Brahma

yoga,

> > while I do not think Rahu+Jupiter means the same thing. Rahu

> > signifies research, while i do not think Saturn implies the

same.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > >

> > > Sorry for the addition again:-).

> > > I had found Madanascha for Shukra in dashadhyayi and took

Madascha

> > > in our case for mohas like madana and linked it to Shukra.I am

not

> > > sure if this can be done.

> > > Mada is pride and hence Madashca Rahu can be ''pride for

Rahu''.

> > > As i am not very strong in grammar,i do not know how to link

them

> > > properly.

> > >

> > > Hope learned members will correct.

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > >

> > > > To add.I did not have proper fonts to read the shloka from

Visti

> > > > ji.But when i had downloaded the pdf of his article,shloka

is

> > > clear.

> > > >

> > > > Here Guru sito is Guru and Venus and Jnana sukkha and

Madacha is

> > > > referring to Jnana and Madana sukhas respectively.

> > > >

> > > > Rahu shani Kaalanarasya dukham -i cannot understand rahu

being

> > > > linked to ego over here.My sanskrit knowledge is poor and

others

> > > > better leanrned can help.I feel Rahu is Manda samah and also

a

> > > > papagraha and hence can be cause for Dukha for nara along

with

> > > Shani.

> > > >

> > > > Kindly correct if i am wrong.

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > >

> > > > > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not

have a

> > > > sanskrit

> > > > > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand

> > > Varahamihira

> > > > and

> > > > > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar

> > > feeling

> > > > > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> > > > > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -

Madana

> > > Sukha

> > > > and

> > > > > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > > > > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include

> > > Rahu/Ketu.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common

one.How

> > > did

> > > > > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one

translation

> > > > > relating Rahu and Ego.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed.

> > > However,

> > > > i

> > > > > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which

sets

> > > the

> > > > > > correct context in which your quote should be

interpreted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend

to

> > > > rectify

> > > > > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me,

> > Visti

> > > > (bless

> > > > > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4

of

> > > > saravali,

> > > > > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on

> > > > srigaruda.com)

> > > > > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha

> > väëé|

> > > > > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya

> > > > duùkham||1||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates

the

> > > > strength,

> > > > > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness

respectively,

> > > > ones

> > > > > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of

grief.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already

> > quoted

> > > by

> > > > you)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if

their

> > > > placement

> > > > > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets

are

> > > > weak,

> > > > > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn

it is

> > > > > > different.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > > > > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is

strong,

> > > then

> > > > mind

> > > > > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if

jupiter

> > is

> > > > strong

> > > > > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then

one's

> > > > > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego

is

> > > > strong,

> > > > > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so

because

> > > Saturn

> > > > > > gives a different result.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong

> > > Saturn?

> > > > If

> > > > > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana

Varma

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the

previous

> > > > shloka!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the

way

> > > nature

> > > > and

> > > > > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is

impeccable.

> > > > Here is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > shloka:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman

> > said.

> > > > You

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line

and

> > ULW

> > > > > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I

know. I

> > > > have not

> > > > > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also

said

> > > that

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets,

> > > whether

> > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of

view

> > > and

> > > > > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are

> > strong.

> > > > How do

> > > > > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out

of

> > > > context?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I also requested you to give the source and context

of

> > > your

> > > > > > quote.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said,

by

> > > > principle

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly

> > accept

> > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your

> > knowledge

> > > and

> > > > > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help

> > > wondering

> > > > why

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the

> > > vision/experience

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of

the

> > > > quote....if

> > > > > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go

> > through

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert

to

> > you

> > > > later

> > > > > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am

> > convinced

> > > > what

> > > > > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in

correcting

> > > > myself.

> > > > > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a

student:-

> > -

> > > ))

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do

> > with

> > > > what

> > > > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not

prove a

> > > > point.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's

> > chart

> > > > Surya

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful

Raj

> > > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you

may

> > > have

> > > > to

> > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura.

Think

> > > about

> > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

declaring

> > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at

what

> > > > happened to

> > > > > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th

bhava.

> > > In

> > > > each

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the

> > > planets

> > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> > previous

> > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

people,

> > and

> > > > then

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I

said.

> > > Did

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma

of

> > > left

> > > > hand

> > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart,

in

> > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In

Paramhans

> > > > > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a

planet in

> > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

> > > exaltation

> > > > in

> > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam

has

> > > > already

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri

> > Aurobindo,

> > > I

> > > > trust

> > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he

was

> > > > editor

> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

language.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M.

> > Yogas.

> > > > Every

> > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed

to

> > > it,

> > > > at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they

would

> > all

> > > > give

> > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with

Pancha

> > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

(barring

> > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

principles

> > > and

> > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> > reference

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

> > > respected

> > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

anything

> > > > that

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it

> > would

> > > be

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I

would of

> > > > course

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman

that

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results,

while

> > > > weak

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree

about

> > > strong

> > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to

what

> > > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that

> > > strong

> > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that

their

> > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars

in

> > 5th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H)

and

> > > Rahu

> > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > debilitated

> > > in

> > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

for "vipareetam

> > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

placement

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives

good

> > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because

i

> > > would

> > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that

with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

shubha

> > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > > beneficial

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years

old,

> > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice

the

> > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference

between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving

> > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

according

> > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad

> > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets,

even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and

> > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is

more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read

the

> > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

nature

> > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama

would

> > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > dhanurvidya

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be

borne

> > in

> > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana,

his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th

house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the

10

> > th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

death,

> > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

Rudras

> > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in

south

> > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

digbala

> > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to

Surya

> > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not

as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of

the

> > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> > promotions

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It

is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or

so as

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not

have

> > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu

> > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

> > guessed

> > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga

after

> > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

instead of

> > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say

so but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a

papa

> > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

trikona and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed

to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its

> > home

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

popularly

> > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is

really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at

its

> > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent

water

> > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My

father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i

> > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing,

> > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I

guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were

> > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in

> > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also

giving

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies,

so

> > why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Pradeep,

 

In the shloka you've quoted from Brihat Jataka, Varahamihira states

that Jupiter rules both jnana & sukha AND Venus rules love or

passion. It is incorrect to interpret it as Shukra ruling both sukha

and passion. Please refer to page 73 of translation of Brihat Jataka

by B.Suryanarain Rao. If you have some other translation, please let

me know if it says something to the contrary.

 

The shloka in Saravali talks of permanent "inherent/inner" qualities

of an individual, such as soul, mind, strength, speech, knowledge,

happiness and grief. Hence, in this context, i feel that the

word "mada" must refer to an internal quality (ego) and not to a

temporary "external" stimulus / intoxication / excitement.

 

I wonder why you insist on "mada" meaning only intoxication and

judge other meanings to be incorrect or ignore the other host of

meanings. Why not honestly examine other meanings/possibilities?

What do you stand to lose?

 

Pradeep, this debate certainly helped me in the sense that it made

me see that perhaps I am restricting myself only to Parashara/BV

Raman etc and that I need to be more open minded about other authors

(thanks Sunil, Prafulla ji and Chandrasekhar ji:--)). I accepted

that I needed that correction and looked at the Saravali only from

the perspective of that book, without cross quoting from Parashara

etc. I request you to do the same thing, with an open mind. We'll

talk about Dasadhyayee later.

 

Now, I am puzzled about why the focus is shifting from Saravali to

Brihat Jataka or to Dasaadhyaayi! Has the "impeccable" reference

become suddenly too hot to handle?

 

:--))

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

<b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Pradeep,

>

> There's a vast difference between "madana" or "kaama" and "mada".

> Please refer to any article on shadripus and you will know this.

> Please refer to any sanskrit dictionary.

>

> However, despite all this, if you still feel that there's no

> difference between "madana" and "mada", I am afraid I have nothing

> more to contribute, because I see no point in discussing further

and

> wasting internet resources, when your mind is already made up.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi ji

> >

> > NAMASTE

> >

> > I was just mentioning the various possiilities.Sanskrit is really

> > difficult and unless properly decoded,everything can be in chaos.

> > I have not learned Sanskrit anywhere and thus anyone can correct

> me:-)

> > If ''cha'' is for ''and'' as you have said then things will be

> totally

> > different.

> >

> > For example Varahamihira says

> >

> > Jeevo JnaanaSukhey SitasCHa Madano Dukham Dineshatmaja

> >

> > Jnana and Sukha from Guru is clear.

> >

> > Now Dashadhyayikaraka says from ''Cha'' shabda in Sitascha one

> should

> > understand Jnana as well as Sukha THROUGH SHUKRA apart from

Madana.

> > Meaning the ''cha'' is joining preceding JnanaSukha.

> >

> > Difference is Guru gives VedaJnana while shukra gives

Sangeethaathi

> > Kala jnana.Similarly Guru gives Sattwika Sukha while Shukra gives

> > Rajasa sukham.Also Madana shows,sugandha

> > dravyas,food,dress,wife,ornaments,Bhogasthana etc.

> >

> > So madascha can also be part of Shukra -mada meaning madas (all

> > kama,krodha mohas)!!!!

> >

> > Rahu not being allotted with any karakas is supportive.As you

know

> > better ,Sanskrit can be easily misunderstood.Reagrding bhava

> > considerations in vargamshas,my reservations are already known

and

> > hence not stressing on that aspect in Visti ji's article.

> >

> > Sun is the LIGHT giving ''life'' to 12 rashis and hence dwadasha

> > adityas.Let me give my understanding based on leads from

> classics.Hora

> > is wealth?Why?It is expansion or multiplication of the SINGLE

> through

> > division.

> > One half of body is Hora(vertical).It is also feminine part and

> > corresponding to Moon relating to Ardhanareeshwara concept.

> >

> > Drekkana is 1/3rd of Body (horizontal).i feel Brother in true

> sense is

> > 1/3rd like Lakshmana.Thus 12 rashis represent sthoola shareera

and

> is

> > parallel to our body.Rashi/Kshethra/bhava are synonymns.Amshas

> are

> > pointing to sookshma aspects.Sookshma cannot be studied in

> isolation.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> > , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > >

> > > As you have correctly assessed, the term in the shloka is

> > > indeed "mada" meaning false pride, vanity, ego etc and "mada",

> as

> > > you know, is one of the shadripus. Shukra rules all sukha and

> madana

> > > sukha is one of the sukhas and not the only one. The meaning

> > > of "cha" in the present context is "and".

> > >

> > > I did study Sanskrit in my graduation, but I am certainly not

an

> > > expert. I am still a learner. Narasimha, as you must know, is

an

> > > expert in sanskrit. I hope he corrects our mistakes.

> > >

> > > I can not comment on the version of Saravali etc, because i do

> not

> > > have the book. But i do think that the shloka is correct,

> because

> > > the other translation of saravali i have also gives the same

> > > significations. I also trust Visti and feel that he would have

> > > double checked every small thing before quoting it in his

> article.

> > >

> > > I agree with you that usually Rahu's significtions are not

> > > separately given...but Kalyana Varma perhaps wanted to

specially

> > > distinguish between Rahu and Saturn, and i think he is

correct.

> The

> > > results Rahu gives are similar to those given by Saturn, but

the

> > > significations of Rahu are different.

> > >

> > > For example, Saturn+moon gives Parivraja yoga, but does

> Rahu+Moon

> > > give the same result? Saturn+Jupiter is said to give Brahma

> yoga,

> > > while I do not think Rahu+Jupiter means the same thing. Rahu

> > > signifies research, while i do not think Saturn implies the

> same.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > >

> > > > Sorry for the addition again:-).

> > > > I had found Madanascha for Shukra in dashadhyayi and took

> Madascha

> > > > in our case for mohas like madana and linked it to Shukra.I

am

> not

> > > > sure if this can be done.

> > > > Mada is pride and hence Madashca Rahu can be ''pride for

> Rahu''.

> > > > As i am not very strong in grammar,i do not know how to link

> them

> > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > Hope learned members will correct.

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > >

> > > > > To add.I did not have proper fonts to read the shloka from

> Visti

> > > > > ji.But when i had downloaded the pdf of his article,shloka

> is

> > > > clear.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here Guru sito is Guru and Venus and Jnana sukkha and

> Madacha is

> > > > > referring to Jnana and Madana sukhas respectively.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu shani Kaalanarasya dukham -i cannot understand rahu

> being

> > > > > linked to ego over here.My sanskrit knowledge is poor and

> others

> > > > > better leanrned can help.I feel Rahu is Manda samah and

also

> a

> > > > > papagraha and hence can be cause for Dukha for nara along

> with

> > > > Shani.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly correct if i am wrong.

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not

> have a

> > > > > sanskrit

> > > > > > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand

> > > > Varahamihira

> > > > > and

> > > > > > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie

similar

> > > > feeling

> > > > > > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> > > > > > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -

> Madana

> > > > Sukha

> > > > > and

> > > > > > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > > > > > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include

> > > > Rahu/Ketu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common

> one.How

> > > > did

> > > > > > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one

> translation

> > > > > > relating Rahu and Ego.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed.

> > > > However,

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka,

which

> sets

> > > > the

> > > > > > > correct context in which your quote should be

> interpreted.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i

intend

> to

> > > > > rectify

> > > > > > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for

me,

> > > Visti

> > > > > (bless

> > > > > > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter

4

> of

> > > > > saravali,

> > > > > > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on

> > > > > srigaruda.com)

> > > > > > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù

çaçijo'tha

> > > väëé|

> > > > > > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya

> > > > > duùkham||1||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates

> the

> > > > > strength,

> > > > > > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness

> respectively,

> > > > > ones

> > > > > > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of

> grief.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already

> > > quoted

> > > > by

> > > > > you)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if

> their

> > > > > placement

> > > > > > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these

planets

> are

> > > > > weak,

> > > > > > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn

> it is

> > > > > > > different.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > > > > > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is

> strong,

> > > > then

> > > > > mind

> > > > > > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if

> jupiter

> > > is

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then

> one's

> > > > > > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's

ego

> is

> > > > > strong,

> > > > > > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so

> because

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > gives a different result.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a

strong

> > > > Saturn?

> > > > > If

> > > > > > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana

> Varma

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the

> previous

> > > > > shloka!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the

> way

> > > > nature

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is

> impeccable.

> > > > > Here is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > shloka:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan

Varman

> > > said.

> > > > > You

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line

> and

> > > ULW

> > > > > > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > > > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I

> know. I

> > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also

> said

> > > > that

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong

planets,

> > > > whether

> > > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point

of

> view

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are

> > > strong.

> > > > > How do

> > > > > > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are

out

> of

> > > > > context?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I also requested you to give the source and

context

> of

> > > > your

> > > > > > > quote.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said,

> by

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to

blindly

> > > accept

> > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your

> > > knowledge

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help

> > > > wondering

> > > > > why

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the

> > > > vision/experience

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of

> the

> > > > > quote....if

> > > > > > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go

> > > through

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and

revert

> to

> > > you

> > > > > later

> > > > > > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am

> > > convinced

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in

> correcting

> > > > > myself.

> > > > > > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a

> student:-

> > > -

> > > > ))

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to

do

> > > with

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not

> prove a

> > > > > point.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

Vivekananda's

> > > chart

> > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

powerful

> Raj

> > > > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you

> may

> > > > have

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura.

> Think

> > > > about

> > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

> declaring

> > > that

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at

> what

> > > > > happened to

> > > > > > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th

> bhava.

> > > > In

> > > > > each

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that

the

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> > > previous

> > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

> people,

> > > and

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I

> said.

> > > > Did

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

sarcoma

> of

> > > > left

> > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart,

> in

> > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In

> Paramhans

> > > > > > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a

> planet in

> > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

> > > > exaltation

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam

> has

> > > > > already

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri

> > > Aurobindo,

> > > > I

> > > > > trust

> > > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that

he

> was

> > > > > editor

> > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

> language.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving

P.M.

> > > Yogas.

> > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

attributed

> to

> > > > it,

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they

> would

> > > all

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with

> Pancha

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

> (barring

> > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> principles

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> > > reference

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

> > > > respected

> > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

> anything

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman,

it

> > > would

> > > > be

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I

> would of

> > > > > course

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V.

Raman

> that

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results,

> while

> > > > > weak

> > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree

> about

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to

> what

> > > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find

that

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that

> their

> > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and

mars

> in

> > > 5th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn

(9H)

> and

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > debilitated

> > > > in

> > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> for "vipareetam

> > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> placement

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives

> good

> > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

because

> i

> > > > would

> > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that

> with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

> shubha

> > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > > > beneficial

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years

> old,

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice

> the

> > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference

> between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is

giving

> > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> according

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give

bad

> > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets,

> even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust

and

> > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala

is

> more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read

> the

> > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

> nature

> > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama

> would

> > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit

is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be

> borne

> > > in

> > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

Duryodhana,

> his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th

> house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac,

the

> 10

> > > th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

> death,

> > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

> Rudras

> > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in

> south

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

> digbala

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to

> Surya

> > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and

not

> as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results

of

> the

> > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> > > promotions

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time.

It

> is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or

> so as

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not

> have

> > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and

Rahu

> > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

> > > guessed

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga

> after

> > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

> instead of

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say

> so but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a

> papa

> > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

> trikona and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

claimed

> to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and

its

> > > home

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> popularly

> > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is

> really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at

> its

> > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent

> water

> > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My

> father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and

i

> > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

writing,

> > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I

> guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun

were

> > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being

in

> > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also

> giving

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

> heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water

bodies,

> so

> > > why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Lakshmi ji

 

Sri Surya Narain Rao might not have been specific.I would like to

humbly say that,Dashadhyayi is ''uncorrupted'' Paramparic

Knowledge.It helps us in understanding the exact grammatical

intention hidden in brief shlokas.See the views of B.V.Raman.Kindly

approach it with reverence.

 

Please understand that Guru and Shukra are embodiments of Shastra

Jnana.

 

Guru is Janana Sukha Karaka.He gives Veda Shasthra Janana.He gives

Dehapushti, Bhagya & Children pointing to Sukha.

Shukra is Jnana Sukha Madana Karaka.

He is Sarvashastra Pravartaka,a brahmin having Sastra Jnana in art

forms.He gives Rajasika Sukha through luxuries.Luxurious items are

delighting/conspicous.

 

Context is important regarding meaning in Sanskrit.

 

Dashadhyayi is very clear on what the shloka is about.It is about

the evolutionary sequence(exact order),relating Body, Time and

Planets.First the Purusha or Atma enters,then Mind,then Sattawa

Ahambudhi,then Vak,then Vivechana,then Madana & finally

aging/disease/sorrow ie Saturn.They also represent, seven days of a

week in exact order starting from Sunday(Sun) and ending in Saturday

(Shani).They can explain horadhipa,yama

Adhipa,Varadhipa,thithi,nithyayoga,rithu,varsha and everything

pertaining to TIME including Pralaya.Rahu as we know is KalaSarpam

or Time serpent.It encompasses Time and Space.Kalyan Varma is

mentioning the illusion or Maya surrounding us.

 

KalyanVarma just used Mada and did not use EGO exclusively (say Garv

or Ahamkar).It is thus the view of translator.Intoxication is a

meaning for Mada as per dictionaries.Madam is llusion.Also ''Mad''ya

and ''Mad''ira are liquor/wine etc giving intoxication.Mada-Unmada

or Madonmatha is the state attained after drinking.Pride/arrogance

is used only in the context of shad ripus.Why should we tie Rahu to

just one among the shad ripus when he is Time serpent.It is out of

context.

 

Rahu gives Uthejana or Doping effect.I would prefer to go for a

contextual meaning suiting the classical nature of Smoky Rahu !!! -

Intoxication/Illusion - Smoke is clear enough to understand that

Rahu is ''not anything specific'' but a cataylst giving

Maya/Illusion.You are free to choose the meaning you like.Infact

the ''impeccable shloka'' is helping us to perfect our

knowledge :-))

 

Mada,Madana confusions from me can go away when the real contextual

meaning of Mada is understood and combining it with Chandrashekhar

jis explanations.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

<b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Pradeep,

>

> In the shloka you've quoted from Brihat Jataka, Varahamihira

states

> that Jupiter rules both jnana & sukha AND Venus rules love or

> passion. It is incorrect to interpret it as Shukra ruling both

sukha

> and passion. Please refer to page 73 of translation of Brihat

Jataka

> by B.Suryanarain Rao. If you have some other translation, please

let

> me know if it says something to the contrary.

>

> The shloka in Saravali talks of permanent "inherent/inner"

qualities

> of an individual, such as soul, mind, strength, speech, knowledge,

> happiness and grief. Hence, in this context, i feel that the

> word "mada" must refer to an internal quality (ego) and not to a

> temporary "external" stimulus / intoxication / excitement.

>

> I wonder why you insist on "mada" meaning only intoxication and

> judge other meanings to be incorrect or ignore the other host of

> meanings. Why not honestly examine other meanings/possibilities?

> What do you stand to lose?

>

> Pradeep, this debate certainly helped me in the sense that it made

> me see that perhaps I am restricting myself only to Parashara/BV

> Raman etc and that I need to be more open minded about other

authors

> (thanks Sunil, Prafulla ji and Chandrasekhar ji:--)). I accepted

> that I needed that correction and looked at the Saravali only from

> the perspective of that book, without cross quoting from Parashara

> etc. I request you to do the same thing, with an open mind. We'll

> talk about Dasadhyayee later.

>

> Now, I am puzzled about why the focus is shifting from Saravali to

> Brihat Jataka or to Dasaadhyaayi! Has the "impeccable" reference

> become suddenly too hot to handle?

>

> :--))

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

>

>

> , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Pradeep,

> >

> > There's a vast difference between "madana" or "kaama"

and "mada".

> > Please refer to any article on shadripus and you will know this.

> > Please refer to any sanskrit dictionary.

> >

> > However, despite all this, if you still feel that there's no

> > difference between "madana" and "mada", I am afraid I have

nothing

> > more to contribute, because I see no point in discussing further

> and

> > wasting internet resources, when your mind is already made up.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > >

> > > NAMASTE

> > >

> > > I was just mentioning the various possiilities.Sanskrit is

really

> > > difficult and unless properly decoded,everything can be in

chaos.

> > > I have not learned Sanskrit anywhere and thus anyone can

correct

> > me:-)

> > > If ''cha'' is for ''and'' as you have said then things will be

> > totally

> > > different.

> > >

> > > For example Varahamihira says

> > >

> > > Jeevo JnaanaSukhey SitasCHa Madano Dukham Dineshatmaja

> > >

> > > Jnana and Sukha from Guru is clear.

> > >

> > > Now Dashadhyayikaraka says from ''Cha'' shabda in Sitascha one

> > should

> > > understand Jnana as well as Sukha THROUGH SHUKRA apart from

> Madana.

> > > Meaning the ''cha'' is joining preceding JnanaSukha.

> > >

> > > Difference is Guru gives VedaJnana while shukra gives

> Sangeethaathi

> > > Kala jnana.Similarly Guru gives Sattwika Sukha while Shukra

gives

> > > Rajasa sukham.Also Madana shows,sugandha

> > > dravyas,food,dress,wife,ornaments,Bhogasthana etc.

> > >

> > > So madascha can also be part of Shukra -mada meaning madas (all

> > > kama,krodha mohas)!!!!

> > >

> > > Rahu not being allotted with any karakas is supportive.As you

> know

> > > better ,Sanskrit can be easily misunderstood.Reagrding bhava

> > > considerations in vargamshas,my reservations are already known

> and

> > > hence not stressing on that aspect in Visti ji's article.

> > >

> > > Sun is the LIGHT giving ''life'' to 12 rashis and hence

dwadasha

> > > adityas.Let me give my understanding based on leads from

> > classics.Hora

> > > is wealth?Why?It is expansion or multiplication of the SINGLE

> > through

> > > division.

> > > One half of body is Hora(vertical).It is also feminine part and

> > > corresponding to Moon relating to Ardhanareeshwara concept.

> > >

> > > Drekkana is 1/3rd of Body (horizontal).i feel Brother in true

> > sense is

> > > 1/3rd like Lakshmana.Thus 12 rashis represent sthoola shareera

> and

> > is

> > > parallel to our body.Rashi/Kshethra/bhava are

synonymns.Amshas

> > are

> > > pointing to sookshma aspects.Sookshma cannot be studied in

> > isolation.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > > , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > As you have correctly assessed, the term in the shloka is

> > > > indeed "mada" meaning false pride, vanity, ego etc

and "mada",

> > as

> > > > you know, is one of the shadripus. Shukra rules all sukha

and

> > madana

> > > > sukha is one of the sukhas and not the only one. The meaning

> > > > of "cha" in the present context is "and".

> > > >

> > > > I did study Sanskrit in my graduation, but I am certainly

not

> an

> > > > expert. I am still a learner. Narasimha, as you must know,

is

> an

> > > > expert in sanskrit. I hope he corrects our mistakes.

> > > >

> > > > I can not comment on the version of Saravali etc, because i

do

> > not

> > > > have the book. But i do think that the shloka is correct,

> > because

> > > > the other translation of saravali i have also gives the same

> > > > significations. I also trust Visti and feel that he would

have

> > > > double checked every small thing before quoting it in his

> > article.

> > > >

> > > > I agree with you that usually Rahu's significtions are not

> > > > separately given...but Kalyana Varma perhaps wanted to

> specially

> > > > distinguish between Rahu and Saturn, and i think he is

> correct.

> > The

> > > > results Rahu gives are similar to those given by Saturn, but

> the

> > > > significations of Rahu are different.

> > > >

> > > > For example, Saturn+moon gives Parivraja yoga, but does

> > Rahu+Moon

> > > > give the same result? Saturn+Jupiter is said to give Brahma

> > yoga,

> > > > while I do not think Rahu+Jupiter means the same thing. Rahu

> > > > signifies research, while i do not think Saturn implies the

> > same.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry for the addition again:-).

> > > > > I had found Madanascha for Shukra in dashadhyayi and took

> > Madascha

> > > > > in our case for mohas like madana and linked it to

Shukra.I

> am

> > not

> > > > > sure if this can be done.

> > > > > Mada is pride and hence Madashca Rahu can be ''pride for

> > Rahu''.

> > > > > As i am not very strong in grammar,i do not know how to

link

> > them

> > > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope learned members will correct.

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To add.I did not have proper fonts to read the shloka

from

> > Visti

> > > > > > ji.But when i had downloaded the pdf of his

article,shloka

> > is

> > > > > clear.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here Guru sito is Guru and Venus and Jnana sukkha and

> > Madacha is

> > > > > > referring to Jnana and Madana sukhas respectively.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu shani Kaalanarasya dukham -i cannot understand rahu

> > being

> > > > > > linked to ego over here.My sanskrit knowledge is poor

and

> > others

> > > > > > better leanrned can help.I feel Rahu is Manda samah and

> also

> > a

> > > > > > papagraha and hence can be cause for Dukha for nara

along

> > with

> > > > > Shani.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly correct if i am wrong.

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not

> > have a

> > > > > > sanskrit

> > > > > > > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand

> > > > > Varahamihira

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie

> similar

> > > > > feeling

> > > > > > > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected

from

> > > > > > > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -

> > Madana

> > > > > Sukha

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > > > > > > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not

include

> > > > > Rahu/Ketu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common

> > one.How

> > > > > did

> > > > > > > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one

> > translation

> > > > > > > relating Rahu and Ego.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable

indeed.

> > > > > However,

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka,

> which

> > sets

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > correct context in which your quote should be

> > interpreted.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i

> intend

> > to

> > > > > > rectify

> > > > > > > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for

> me,

> > > > Visti

> > > > > > (bless

> > > > > > > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from

chapter

> 4

> > of

> > > > > > saravali,

> > > > > > > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on

> > > > > > srigaruda.com)

> > > > > > > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù

> çaçijo'tha

> > > > väëé|

> > > > > > > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya

> > > > > > duùkham||1||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars

indicates

> > the

> > > > > > strength,

> > > > > > > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness

> > respectively,

> > > > > > ones

> > > > > > > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of

> > grief.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....

(already

> > > > quoted

> > > > > by

> > > > > > you)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if

> > their

> > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these

> planets

> > are

> > > > > > weak,

> > > > > > > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of

Saturn

> > it is

> > > > > > > > different.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the

above:

> > > > > > > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is

> > strong,

> > > > > then

> > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if

> > jupiter

> > > > is

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong,

then

> > one's

> > > > > > > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's

> ego

> > is

> > > > > > strong,

> > > > > > > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so

> > because

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > gives a different result.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a

> strong

> > > > > Saturn?

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana

> > Varma

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the

> > previous

> > > > > > shloka!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about

the

> > way

> > > > > nature

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is

> > impeccable.

> > > > > > Here is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > shloka:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan

> Varman

> > > > said.

> > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd

line

> > and

> > > > ULW

> > > > > > > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > > > > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I

> > know. I

> > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but

also

> > said

> > > > > that

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong

> planets,

> > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point

> of

> > view

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics

are

> > > > strong.

> > > > > > How do

> > > > > > > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are

> out

> > of

> > > > > > context?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I also requested you to give the source and

> context

> > of

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > quote.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have

said,

> > by

> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to

> blindly

> > > > accept

> > > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't

help

> > > > > wondering

> > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the

> > > > > vision/experience

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference

of

> > the

> > > > > > quote....if

> > > > > > > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also

go

> > > > through

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and

> revert

> > to

> > > > you

> > > > > > later

> > > > > > > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am

> > > > convinced

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in

> > correcting

> > > > > > myself.

> > > > > > > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a

> > student:-

> > > > -

> > > > > ))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing

to

> do

> > > > with

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not

> > prove a

> > > > > > point.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> Vivekananda's

> > > > chart

> > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

> powerful

> > Raj

> > > > > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived,

you

> > may

> > > > > have

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura.

> > Think

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

> > declaring

> > > > that

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at

> > what

> > > > > > happened to

> > > > > > > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the

7th

> > bhava.

> > > > > In

> > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that

> the

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> > > > previous

> > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

> > people,

> > > > and

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what

I

> > said.

> > > > > Did

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

> sarcoma

> > of

> > > > > left

> > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his

chart,

> > in

> > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In

> > Paramhans

> > > > > > > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a

> > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when

in

> > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

smritam

> > has

> > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri

> > > > Aurobindo,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > trust

> > > > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that

> he

> > was

> > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

> > language.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving

> P.M.

> > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> attributed

> > to

> > > > > it,

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they

> > would

> > > > all

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with

> > Pancha

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

> > (barring

> > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > principles

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

> Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> > > > reference

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old

classic

> > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

> > anything

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman,

> it

> > > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I

> > would of

> > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V.

> Raman

> > that

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

results,

> > while

> > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree

> > about

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary

to

> > what

> > > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find

> that

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that

> > their

> > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and

> mars

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn

> (9H)

> > and

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > > debilitated

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > for "vipareetam

> > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > placement

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn

gives

> > good

> > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

> because

> > i

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is,

that

> > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

> > shubha

> > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > > > > beneficial

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9

years

> > old,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

notice

> > the

> > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference

> > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is

> giving

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then

it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > according

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give

> bad

> > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong

planets,

> > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> > wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust

> and

> > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according

to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala

> is

> > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to

read

> > the

> > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

> > nature

> > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama

> > would

> > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana.

Deceit

> is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be

> > borne

> > > > in

> > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> Duryodhana,

> > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th

> > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac,

> the

> > 10

> > > > th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

> > death,

> > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

> > Rudras

> > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides

in

> > south

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

> > digbala

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred

to

> > Surya

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and

> not

> > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results

> of

> > the

> > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> > > > promotions

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time.

> It

> > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9

or

> > so as

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did

not

> > have

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and

> Rahu

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as

you

> > > > guessed

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati

yoga

> > after

> > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

> > instead of

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I

say

> > so but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a

> > papa

> > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

> > trikona and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

> claimed

> > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and

> its

> > > > home

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > popularly

> > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is

> > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be

at

> > its

> > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent

> > water

> > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too.

My

> > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great

and

> i

> > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

> writing,

> > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student,

I

> > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun

> were

> > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but

being

> in

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is

also

> > giving

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

> > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water

> bodies,

> > so

> > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> spam

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[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

you wrote about Rahu:

 

KalyanVarma just used Mada and did not use EGO exclusively (say Garv or

Ahamkar).It is thus the view of translator.Intoxication is a meaning for

Mada as per dictionaries.Madam is llusion.Also ''Mad''ya and ''Mad''ira are

liquor/wine etc giving intoxication.Mada-Unmada or Madonmatha is the state

attained after drinking.Pride/arrogance is used only in the context of shad

ripus.Why should we tie Rahu to just one among the shad ripus when he is

Time serpent.It is out of context.

 

Rahu gives Uthejana or Doping effect.I would prefer to go for a contextual

meaning suiting the classical nature of Smoky Rahu !!! -

Intoxication/Illusion - Smoke is clear enough to understand that Rahu is

''not anything specific'' but a cataylst giving Maya/Illusion.

 

Sari:

 

Thank you very much for these notes; I've noticed in actual charts that Rahu

has a connection to intoxication / drugs / alcohol, to "rock'n roll life

style" and also things like self-deception and illusions - all those things

that are given to Neptune in Western astrology. What you wrote confirms my

observations and ponderings. I haven't found Rahu to be that much about

material ambition or things like that.

 

So thanks again for sharing sanskrit knowledge.

 

Regards, Sari

[Guest guest]

Dear shri Sari

 

Thanks for your words.Also thanks for aharing your understanding.Rahu

is not for anything specific.It can influence anything not just

pride.For the same reason sage said they give results based on

association.

 

Pradeep

 

 

 

, "Sari Metsovuori" <gerdapp

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> you wrote about Rahu:

>

> KalyanVarma just used Mada and did not use EGO exclusively (say Garv or

> Ahamkar).It is thus the view of translator.Intoxication is a meaning

for

> Mada as per dictionaries.Madam is llusion.Also ''Mad''ya and

''Mad''ira are

> liquor/wine etc giving intoxication.Mada-Unmada or Madonmatha is the

state

> attained after drinking.Pride/arrogance is used only in the context

of shad

> ripus.Why should we tie Rahu to just one among the shad ripus when

he is

> Time serpent.It is out of context.

>

> Rahu gives Uthejana or Doping effect.I would prefer to go for a

contextual

> meaning suiting the classical nature of Smoky Rahu !!! -

> Intoxication/Illusion - Smoke is clear enough to understand that

Rahu is

> ''not anything specific'' but a cataylst giving Maya/Illusion.

>

> Sari:

>

> Thank you very much for these notes; I've noticed in actual charts

that Rahu

> has a connection to intoxication / drugs / alcohol, to "rock'n roll

life

> style" and also things like self-deception and illusions - all those

things

> that are given to Neptune in Western astrology. What you wrote

confirms my

> observations and ponderings. I haven't found Rahu to be that much about

> material ambition or things like that.

>

> So thanks again for sharing sanskrit knowledge.

>

> Regards, Sari

>