Humility & learning lessons of life/Rahu-Ego

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Dear Lakshmi ji

 

It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not have a sanskrit

Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand Varahamihira and

the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

 

Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar feeling

during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -Madana Sukha and

Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include Rahu/Ketu.

 

Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common one.How did

Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one translation

relating Rahu and Ego.

 

Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

<b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

>

> Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

>

> Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed. However, i

> only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which sets the

> correct context in which your quote should be interpreted.

>

> Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend to rectify

> it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me, Visti (bless

> him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4 of saravali,

> in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on srigaruda.com)

> and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

>

> ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha väëé|

> guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya duùkham||1||

>

> The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates the strength,

> Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness respectively, ones

> ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of grief.

>

> ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already quoted by you)

>

> The Atma, and other significations will be strong if their placement

> in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets are weak,

> the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn it is

> different.

>

> Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is strong, then mind

> is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if jupiter is strong

> then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then one's

> sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego is strong,

> and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so because Saturn

> gives a different result.

>

> Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong Saturn? If

> Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

>

> Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana Varma mentioned

> Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the previous shloka!!

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> >

> > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the way nature and

> > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is impeccable. Here is

> the

> > shloka:

> >

> > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> >

> > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> >

> > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> >

> > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> >

> >

> > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman said. You

> may

> > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line and ULW

> PALLADIO IT

> > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I know. I have not

> > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also said that all

> > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets, whether

> benefic

> > > or malefic, give good results.

> > >

> > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of view and

> > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are strong. How do

> > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out of context?

> > >

> > > I also requested you to give the source and context of your

> quote.

> > >

> > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said, by principle

> and

> > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly accept

> whatever

> > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your knowledge and

> > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help wondering why

> you

> > > have not accorded the same respect to the vision/experience of

> > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > >

> > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of the quote....if

> > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go through your

> > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert to you later

> > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am convinced what

> > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in correcting myself.

> > > After all that's the major advantage of being a student:--))

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > >

> > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do with what

> Dr.

> > > Raman

> > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not prove a point.

> > > >

> > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's chart Surya

> is

> > > lord of

> > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful Raj yoga. At

> > > the same

> > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you may have to

> think

> > > again

> > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura. Think about

> what it

> > > did

> > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring that it

> became

> > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at what happened to

> > > the 7th

> > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th bhava. In each

> of

> > > the

> > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the planets

> occupy

> > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in previous mail),

> > > without

> > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people, and then

> make

> > > up

> > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I said. Did you

> > > know

> > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma of left hand

> > > and Mars

> > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> exaltation. Do

> > > you

> > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In Paramhans

> Ramkrishna's

> > > chart,

> > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a planet in

> > > debilitation in

> > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in exaltation in

> rasi

> > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam has already

> been

> > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri Aurobindo, I trust

> > > you are

> > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he was editor

> of a

> > > paper

> > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft language.

> > > >

> > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M. Yogas. Every

> > > graha is

> > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed to it, at

> the

> > > very

> > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would all give

> > > identical

> > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with Pancha

> Mahapurusha

> > > Yoga

> > > > would only rule over different parts of India (barring Saturn),

> > > just

> > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us principles and

> > > expected us

> > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > >

> > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the reference to

> > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic respected

> amongst

> > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept anything that

> does

> > > not fit

> > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it would be an

> > > exercise

> > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I would of course

> be

> > > glad to

> > > > give it to you.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman that strong

> > > planets,

> > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results, while weak

> planets

> > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about strong

> malefics

> > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to what all the

> > > jyotish

> > > > > texts teach?

> > > > >

> > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that strong

> malefics

> > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that their

> significations

> > > > > suffered.

> > > > >

> > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars in 5th house

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H) and Rahu

> (4H).

> > > Mars

> > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while debilitated in

> navamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for "vipareetam shaneH

> > > sritam"?

> > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's placement in the

> 8th

> > > house

> > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives good results.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because i would

> like to

> > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that with

> > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the shubha grahas

> > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and beneficial or

> > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years old, and

> > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the second

> > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference between

> > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving Sun's

> > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because according to

> > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad results

> > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets, even if

> > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and inferior

> > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is more

> > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read the Karna

> > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the nature bowed

> > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would teach

> > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn dhanurvidya from

> > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be borne in mind

> > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana, his

> > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th house (I

> > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the 10 th

> > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of death, hence

> > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in south and

> > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has digbala in

> > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to Surya as

> > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not as a

> > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of the dasha

> > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had promotions and

> > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It is

> > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or so as that

> > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not have any

> > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu would

> > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you guessed but

> > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga after all)

> > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha instead of Rahu

> > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say so but

> > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa graha

> > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha trikona and

> > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed to be

> > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its home that

> > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more popularly called

> > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is really

> > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at its most

> > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent water bodies

> > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My father

> > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i received

> > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing, Veena,

> > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I guess

> > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were weak?

> > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in Sun's

> > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also giving the

> > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and heavily

> > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies, so why

> > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

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[Guest guest]

Dear Lakshmi ji

 

To add.I did not have proper fonts to read the shloka from Visti

ji.But when i had downloaded the pdf of his article,shloka is clear.

 

Here Guru sito is Guru and Venus and Jnana sukkha and Madacha is

referring to Jnana and Madana sukhas respectively.

 

Rahu shani Kaalanarasya dukham -i cannot understand rahu being

linked to ego over here.My sanskrit knowledge is poor and others

better leanrned can help.I feel Rahu is Manda samah and also a

papagraha and hence can be cause for Dukha for nara along with Shani.

 

Kindly correct if i am wrong.

Pradeep

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Lakshmi ji

>

> It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not have a

sanskrit

> Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand Varahamihira

and

> the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

>

> Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar feeling

> during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -Madana Sukha

and

> Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include Rahu/Ketu.

>

> Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common one.How did

> Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one translation

> relating Rahu and Ego.

>

> Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> >

> > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed. However,

i

> > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which sets the

> > correct context in which your quote should be interpreted.

> >

> > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend to

rectify

> > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me, Visti

(bless

> > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4 of

saravali,

> > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on

srigaruda.com)

> > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> >

> > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha väëé|

> > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya

duùkham||1||

> >

> > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates the

strength,

> > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness respectively,

ones

> > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of grief.

> >

> > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already quoted by

you)

> >

> > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if their

placement

> > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets are

weak,

> > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn it is

> > different.

> >

> > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is strong, then

mind

> > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if jupiter is

strong

> > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then one's

> > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego is

strong,

> > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so because Saturn

> > gives a different result.

> >

> > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong Saturn?

If

> > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> >

> > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana Varma

mentioned

> > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the previous

shloka!!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the way nature

and

> > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is impeccable.

Here is

> > the

> > > shloka:

> > >

> > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > >

> > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > >

> > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > >

> > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > >

> > >

> > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman said.

You

> > may

> > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line and ULW

> > PALLADIO IT

> > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I know. I

have not

> > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also said that

all

> > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets, whether

> > benefic

> > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > >

> > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of view and

> > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are strong.

How do

> > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out of

context?

> > > >

> > > > I also requested you to give the source and context of your

> > quote.

> > > >

> > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said, by

principle

> > and

> > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly accept

> > whatever

> > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your knowledge and

> > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help wondering

why

> > you

> > > > have not accorded the same respect to the vision/experience

of

> > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > >

> > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of the

quote....if

> > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go through

your

> > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert to you

later

> > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am convinced

what

> > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in correcting

myself.

> > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a student:--))

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > >

> > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do with

what

> > Dr.

> > > > Raman

> > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not prove a

point.

> > > > >

> > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's chart

Surya

> > is

> > > > lord of

> > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful Raj

yoga. At

> > > > the same

> > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you may have

to

> > think

> > > > again

> > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura. Think about

> > what it

> > > > did

> > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring that

it

> > became

> > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at what

happened to

> > > > the 7th

> > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th bhava. In

each

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the planets

> > occupy

> > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in previous

mail),

> > > > without

> > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people, and

then

> > make

> > > > up

> > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I said. Did

you

> > > > know

> > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma of left

hand

> > > > and Mars

> > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> > exaltation. Do

> > > > you

> > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In Paramhans

> > Ramkrishna's

> > > > chart,

> > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a planet in

> > > > debilitation in

> > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in exaltation

in

> > rasi

> > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam has

already

> > been

> > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri Aurobindo, I

trust

> > > > you are

> > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he was

editor

> > of a

> > > > paper

> > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft language.

> > > > >

> > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M. Yogas.

Every

> > > > graha is

> > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed to it,

at

> > the

> > > > very

> > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would all

give

> > > > identical

> > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with Pancha

> > Mahapurusha

> > > > Yoga

> > > > > would only rule over different parts of India (barring

Saturn),

> > > > just

> > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us principles and

> > > > expected us

> > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the reference to

> > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic respected

> > amongst

> > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept anything

that

> > does

> > > > not fit

> > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it would be

an

> > > > exercise

> > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I would of

course

> > be

> > > > glad to

> > > > > give it to you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman that

strong

> > > > planets,

> > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results, while

weak

> > planets

> > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about strong

> > malefics

> > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to what all

the

> > > > jyotish

> > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that strong

> > malefics

> > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that their

> > significations

> > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars in 5th

house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H) and Rahu

> > (4H).

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while debilitated in

> > navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for "vipareetam shaneH

> > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's placement in

the

> > 8th

> > > > house

> > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives good

results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because i would

> > like to

> > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that with

> > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the shubha

grahas

> > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and beneficial

or

> > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years old, and

> > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the second

> > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference between

> > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving Sun's

> > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because according to

> > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad results

> > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets, even if

> > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and inferior

> > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is more

> > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read the Karna

> > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the nature bowed

> > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would teach

> > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn dhanurvidya

from

> > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be borne in

mind

> > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana, his

> > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th house (I

> > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the 10 th

> > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of death, hence

> > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras

(Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in south and

> > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has digbala in

> > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to Surya as

> > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not as a

> > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of the dasha

> > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had promotions

and

> > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It is

> > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or so as that

> > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not have any

> > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu would

> > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you guessed but

> > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga after all)

> > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha instead of Rahu

> > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say so but

> > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa graha

> > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha trikona and

> > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed to be

> > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its home

that

> > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more popularly

called

> > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is really

> > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at its most

> > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent water bodies

> > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My father

> > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i received

> > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing, Veena,

> > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I guess

> > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were weak?

> > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in Sun's

> > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also giving the

> > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and heavily

> > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies, so why

> > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

Mada means to be intoxicated and also refers to secretion falling from

the temporal glands of a bull elephant in Mast (arousal). Another

meaning is the feeling of delusion. Wrong translation of words from

Sanskrit has played more havoc with vedic astrology than anything else.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Lakshmi ji

>

> It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not have a sanskrit

> Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand Varahamihira and

> the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

>

> Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar feeling

> during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -Madana Sukha and

> Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include Rahu/Ketu.

>

> Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common one.How did

> Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one translation

> relating Rahu and Ego.

>

> Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

> <%40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> >

> > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed. However, i

> > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which sets the

> > correct context in which your quote should be interpreted.

> >

> > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend to rectify

> > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me, Visti (bless

> > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4 of saravali,

> > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on srigaruda.com)

> > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> >

> > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha väëé|

> > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya duùkham||1||

> >

> > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates the strength,

> > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness respectively, ones

> > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of grief.

> >

> > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already quoted by you)

> >

> > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if their placement

> > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets are weak,

> > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn it is

> > different.

> >

> > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is strong, then mind

> > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if jupiter is strong

> > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then one's

> > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego is strong,

> > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so because Saturn

> > gives a different result.

> >

> > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong Saturn? If

> > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> >

> > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana Varma mentioned

> > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the previous shloka!!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the way nature and

> > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is impeccable. Here is

> > the

> > > shloka:

> > >

> > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > >

> > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > >

> > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > >

> > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > >

> > >

> > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman said. You

> > may

> > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line and ULW

> > PALLADIO IT

> > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I know. I have not

> > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also said that all

> > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets, whether

> > benefic

> > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > >

> > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of view and

> > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are strong. How do

> > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out of context?

> > > >

> > > > I also requested you to give the source and context of your

> > quote.

> > > >

> > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said, by principle

> > and

> > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly accept

> > whatever

> > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your knowledge and

> > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help wondering why

> > you

> > > > have not accorded the same respect to the vision/experience of

> > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > >

> > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of the quote....if

> > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go through your

> > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert to you later

> > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am convinced what

> > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in correcting myself.

> > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a student:--))

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > >

> <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > >

> > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do with what

> > Dr.

> > > > Raman

> > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not prove a point.

> > > > >

> > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's chart Surya

> > is

> > > > lord of

> > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful Raj yoga. At

> > > > the same

> > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you may have to

> > think

> > > > again

> > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura. Think about

> > what it

> > > > did

> > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring that it

> > became

> > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at what happened to

> > > > the 7th

> > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th bhava. In each

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the planets

> > occupy

> > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in previous mail),

> > > > without

> > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people, and then

> > make

> > > > up

> > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I said. Did you

> > > > know

> > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma of left hand

> > > > and Mars

> > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> > exaltation. Do

> > > > you

> > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In Paramhans

> > Ramkrishna's

> > > > chart,

> > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a planet in

> > > > debilitation in

> > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in exaltation in

> > rasi

> > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam has already

> > been

> > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri Aurobindo, I trust

> > > > you are

> > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he was editor

> > of a

> > > > paper

> > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft language.

> > > > >

> > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M. Yogas. Every

> > > > graha is

> > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed to it, at

> > the

> > > > very

> > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would all give

> > > > identical

> > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with Pancha

> > Mahapurusha

> > > > Yoga

> > > > > would only rule over different parts of India (barring Saturn),

> > > > just

> > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us principles and

> > > > expected us

> > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the reference to

> > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic respected

> > amongst

> > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept anything that

> > does

> > > > not fit

> > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it would be an

> > > > exercise

> > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I would of course

> > be

> > > > glad to

> > > > > give it to you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman that strong

> > > > planets,

> > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results, while weak

> > planets

> > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about strong

> > malefics

> > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to what all the

> > > > jyotish

> > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that strong

> > malefics

> > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that their

> > significations

> > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars in 5th house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H) and Rahu

> > (4H).

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while debilitated in

> > navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for "vipareetam shaneH

> > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's placement in the

> > 8th

> > > > house

> > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives good results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because i would

> > like to

> > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that with

> > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the shubha grahas

> > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years old, and

> > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the second

> > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference between

> > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving Sun's

> > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because according to

> > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad results

> > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets, even if

> > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and inferior

> > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is more

> > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read the Karna

> > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the nature bowed

> > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would teach

> > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn dhanurvidya from

> > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be borne in mind

> > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana, his

> > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th house (I

> > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the 10 th

> > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of death, hence

> > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in south and

> > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has digbala in

> > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to Surya as

> > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not as a

> > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of the dasha

> > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had promotions and

> > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It is

> > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or so as that

> > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not have any

> > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu would

> > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you guessed but

> > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga after all)

> > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha instead of Rahu

> > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say so but

> > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa graha

> > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha trikona and

> > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed to be

> > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its home that

> > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more popularly called

> > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is really

> > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at its most

> > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent water bodies

> > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My father

> > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i received

> > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing, Veena,

> > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I guess

> > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were weak?

> > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in Sun's

> > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also giving the

> > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and heavily

> > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies, so why

> > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

I totally agree with your view.Kindly see my latest post to Lakshmi

ji.Dashadhyayikara is making a brilliant point on the importance of

''cha'' interpretation.I am aware of the Mada relating to elephant

bull as it is used in our mother tongue as Mada itself.In that case we

can easliy conjoin madashcha with shukra taking clue from Dashadhyayi.

Rahu and Saturn can be equated due to known reasons.

Wrong translation as you have said is corrupting this Divine Shastra.

 

Respect

Pradeep

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> Mada means to be intoxicated and also refers to secretion falling from

> the temporal glands of a bull elephant in Mast (arousal). Another

> meaning is the feeling of delusion. Wrong translation of words from

> Sanskrit has played more havoc with vedic astrology than anything else.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi ji

> >

> > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not have a sanskrit

> > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand Varahamihira and

> > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> >

> > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar feeling

> > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -Madana Sukha and

> > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include Rahu/Ketu.

> >

> > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common one.How did

> > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one translation

> > relating Rahu and Ego.

> >

> > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > <%40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed. However, i

> > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which sets the

> > > correct context in which your quote should be interpreted.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend to rectify

> > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me, Visti (bless

> > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4 of saravali,

> > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on srigaruda.com)

> > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > >

> > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha väëé|

> > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya duùkham||1||

> > >

> > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates the strength,

> > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness respectively, ones

> > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of grief.

> > >

> > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already quoted by you)

> > >

> > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if their placement

> > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets are weak,

> > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn it is

> > > different.

> > >

> > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is strong, then mind

> > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if jupiter is strong

> > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then one's

> > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego is strong,

> > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so because Saturn

> > > gives a different result.

> > >

> > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong Saturn? If

> > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > >

> > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana Varma mentioned

> > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the previous shloka!!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the way nature and

> > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is impeccable. Here is

> > > the

> > > > shloka:

> > > >

> > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > >

> > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > >

> > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > >

> > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman said. You

> > > may

> > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line and ULW

> > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I know. I

have not

> > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also said that all

> > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets, whether

> > > benefic

> > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of view and

> > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are strong.

How do

> > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out of context?

> > > > >

> > > > > I also requested you to give the source and context of your

> > > quote.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said, by principle

> > > and

> > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly accept

> > > whatever

> > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your knowledge and

> > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help wondering why

> > > you

> > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the vision/experience of

> > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of the

quote....if

> > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go through your

> > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert to you later

> > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am convinced what

> > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in correcting myself.

> > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a student:--))

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do with what

> > > Dr.

> > > > > Raman

> > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not prove a point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's chart Surya

> > > is

> > > > > lord of

> > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful Raj

yoga. At

> > > > > the same

> > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you may have to

> > > think

> > > > > again

> > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura. Think about

> > > what it

> > > > > did

> > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring that it

> > > became

> > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at what

happened to

> > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th bhava. In each

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the planets

> > > occupy

> > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in previous mail),

> > > > > without

> > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people, and then

> > > make

> > > > > up

> > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I said. Did you

> > > > > know

> > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma of left

hand

> > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > you

> > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In Paramhans

> > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a planet in

> > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in exaltation in

> > > rasi

> > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam has already

> > > been

> > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri Aurobindo, I

trust

> > > > > you are

> > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he was editor

> > > of a

> > > > > paper

> > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft language.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M. Yogas. Every

> > > > > graha is

> > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed to it, at

> > > the

> > > > > very

> > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would all give

> > > > > identical

> > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with Pancha

> > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India (barring

Saturn),

> > > > > just

> > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us principles and

> > > > > expected us

> > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the reference to

> > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic respected

> > > amongst

> > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept anything that

> > > does

> > > > > not fit

> > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it would be an

> > > > > exercise

> > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I would of course

> > > be

> > > > > glad to

> > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman that strong

> > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results, while weak

> > > planets

> > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about strong

> > > malefics

> > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to what all the

> > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that strong

> > > malefics

> > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that their

> > > significations

> > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars in 5th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H) and Rahu

> > > (4H).

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while debilitated in

> > > navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for "vipareetam shaneH

> > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's placement in the

> > > 8th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives good results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because i would

> > > like to

> > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that with

> > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the shubha grahas

> > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years old, and

> > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the second

> > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference between

> > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because according to

> > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad results

> > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets, even if

> > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and inferior

> > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is more

> > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read the Karna

> > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the nature bowed

> > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would teach

> > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn dhanurvidya from

> > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be borne in mind

> > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana, his

> > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th house (I

> > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of death, hence

> > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in south and

> > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not as a

> > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of the dasha

> > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had promotions and

> > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It is

> > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or so as that

> > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not have any

> > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu would

> > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga after all)

> > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha instead of Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say so but

> > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa graha

> > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha trikona and

> > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed to be

> > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its home that

> > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more popularly called

> > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is really

> > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at its most

> > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent water bodies

> > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My father

> > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i received

> > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing, Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I guess

> > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were weak?

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also giving the

> > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and heavily

> > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies, so why

> > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

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[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

I wish some day you translate Dashaadhyaayi as it is not currently

available in print. At least not in English language. Prashna Marga

speaks very high about it.

 

Mada does mean the masth of elephant and relates to lust and Rahu being

indicator of desires this fits in with his general characteristics. The

other meaning intoxicated also suits for similar reasons. Then there is

delusion which is also one of the meanings of Mada. That suits Rahu to a

"T". rahu being described as Dhumrakara and what can be clearly seen

through a smoke screen but illusions?

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> I totally agree with your view.Kindly see my latest post to Lakshmi

> ji.Dashadhyayikara is making a brilliant point on the importance of

> ''cha'' interpretation.I am aware of the Mada relating to elephant

> bull as it is used in our mother tongue as Mada itself.In that case we

> can easliy conjoin madashcha with shukra taking clue from Dashadhyayi.

> Rahu and Saturn can be equated due to known reasons.

> Wrong translation as you have said is corrupting this Divine Shastra.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > Mada means to be intoxicated and also refers to secretion falling from

> > the temporal glands of a bull elephant in Mast (arousal). Another

> > meaning is the feeling of delusion. Wrong translation of words from

> > Sanskrit has played more havoc with vedic astrology than anything else.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > >

> > > It is regarding the reference of Rahu and ego.I do not have a sanskrit

> > > Saravali with me as well.I was trying to understand Varahamihira and

> > > the shloka ''Kalatma Dinakr''.

> > >

> > > Here Sun-Atma,Moon-Mana,Mars Sattwa Ahambudhi - ie similar feeling

> > > during difficulties and happiness,a quality expected from

> > > senapathi,Guru - discriminative intelligence - Venus -Madana Sukha and

> > > Saturn -Sorrow.Rahu and Ketu are not included.Also

> > > King,YuvaRaja,Senapati assignments etc does not include Rahu/Ketu.

> > >

> > > Is this a shloka from some special edition or a common one.How did

> > > Varahamihira miss this.Also kindly do a one to one translation

> > > relating Rahu and Ego.

> > >

> > > Let us wait for comments from Chandrashekhar ji.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Back from Tiruvannamail. Had a lovely time.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the reference, and it is impeccable indeed. However, i

> > > > only wish you had also given the previous shloka, which sets the

> > > > correct context in which your quote should be interpreted.

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately I do not have sanskrit Saravali (i intend to rectify

> > > > it soon), but I do have the tranlation. Luckily for me, Visti (bless

> > > > him!) had quoted the 1st and 2nd shlokas from chapter 4 of saravali,

> > > > in his excellent article on Vimsamsa (available on srigaruda.com)

> > > > and i reproduce them below for everyone's benefit.

> > > >

> > > > ätmä raviù çétakarastu vetaù sattvaà dharäjaù çaçijo'tha väëé|

> > > > guruùsito jïänaçukhe madaçca rähuù çäniù kälanarasya duùkham||1||

> > > >

> > > > The Sun is the Atma, Moon is the Mana, Mars indicates the strength,

> > > > Jupiter and Venus show knowledge and happiness respectively, ones

> > > > ego is indicated by Rahu and Saturn is the cause of grief.

> > > >

> > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbaàlibhirbalavattaräù|....(already quoted by you)

> > > >

> > > > The Atma, and other significations will be strong if their placement

> > > > in the heavens (bhavas) is auspicious. If these planets are weak,

> > > > the effects are only meager. But in the case of Saturn it is

> > > > different.

> > > >

> > > > Let me clearly state what i understand from the above:

> > > > If Sun is strong, Soul force is strong, if Moon is strong, then mind

> > > > is strong, if Mars is strong, strength is more, if jupiter is strong

> > > > then one's knowledge is good, if Venus is strong, then one's

> > > > sukha/comforts is more, if Rahu is strong then one's ego is strong,

> > > > and if Saturn is strong, grief is less!! It is so because Saturn

> > > > gives a different result.

> > > >

> > > > Now, isn't "less grief" a good result given by a strong Saturn? If

> > > > Saturn is weak, he will give greater grief.

> > > >

> > > > Btw, Sir, how come you have not noticed that Kalyana Varma mentioned

> > > > Rahu as the karaka for ego? That too just in the previous shloka!!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > You will find it in Saravali when talking about the way nature and

> > > > > strengths of grahas manifest. So the source is impeccable. Here is

> > > > the

> > > > > shloka:

> > > > >

> > > > > AaTmadyae ggngEbRiliÉbRlvÄra>,

> > > > >

> > > > > ätmädayo gaganagairbalibhirbalavattaräù|

> > > > >

> > > > > ÊbRlEÊRbRla }eya ivpirt< zne> Sm&tm!.

> > > > >

> > > > > durbalairdurbalä jïeyä viparitaà çaneù småtam||

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure there is no confusion inn what Kalyan Varman said. You

> > > > may

> > > > > have to use Sanskrit99 fonts for first and 3rd line and ULW

> > > > PALLADIO IT

> > > > > fonts for 2nd and 4th line of the shloka.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I quoted the references(highly respected ones) I know. I

> have not

> > > > > > confined myself only to Shri B.V. Raman, but also said that all

> > > > > > major jyotish texts say that exalted/strong planets, whether

> > > > benefic

> > > > > > or malefic, give good results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was trying to understand and verify your point of view and

> > > > > > accordingly took up some charts where malefics are strong.

> How do

> > > > > > you say that whatever examples I have given are out of context?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also requested you to give the source and context of your

> > > > quote.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is trying to understand/verify what you have said, by principle

> > > > and

> > > > > > example, wrong? Would you rather want me to blindly accept

> > > > whatever

> > > > > > you've stated? I have a lot of respect for your knowledge and

> > > > > > experience and can certainly do so, but can't help wondering why

> > > > you

> > > > > > have not accorded the same respect to the vision/experience of

> > > > > > acknowledged masters of astrology?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am certainly interested in knowing reference of the

> quote....if

> > > > > > possible the entire shloka please. I will also go through your

> > > > > > analysis of the charts with an open mind and revert to you later

> > > > > > (after 2 days-going to tiruvannamalai). If I am convinced what

> > > > > > you've said is correct, I have no problems in correcting myself.

> > > > > > After all that's the major advantage of being a student:--))

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I stated the principle given. It has nothing to do with what

> > > > Dr.

> > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > said. Giving examples out of contexts does not prove a point.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's chart Surya

> > > > is

> > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful Raj

> yoga. At

> > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you may have to

> > > > think

> > > > > > again

> > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura. Think about

> > > > what it

> > > > > > did

> > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring that it

> > > > became

> > > > > > > shubha or less malefic. Or if you like look at what

> happened to

> > > > > > the 7th

> > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th bhava. In each

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the planets

> > > > occupy

> > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in previous mail),

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people, and then

> > > > make

> > > > > > up

> > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I said. Did you

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma of left

> hand

> > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results? In Paramhans

> > > > Ramkrishna's

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a planet in

> > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in exaltation in

> > > > rasi

> > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam has already

> > > > been

> > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail. About Shri Aurobindo, I

> trust

> > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he was editor

> > > > of a

> > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft language.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M. Yogas. Every

> > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed to it, at

> > > > the

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would all give

> > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with Pancha

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India (barring

> Saturn),

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us principles and

> > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the reference to

> > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic respected

> > > > amongst

> > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept anything that

> > > > does

> > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it would be an

> > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I would of course

> > > > be

> > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman that strong

> > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results, while weak

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about strong

> > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to what all the

> > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that strong

> > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that their

> > > > significations

> > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars in 5th house

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H) and Rahu

> > > > (4H).

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while debilitated in

> > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference for "vipareetam shaneH

> > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's placement in the

> > > > 8th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives good results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because i would

> > > > like to

> > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that with

> > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the shubha grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the second

> > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference between

> > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because according to

> > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad results

> > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets, even if

> > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is more

> > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read the Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the nature bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would teach

> > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn dhanurvidya from

> > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be borne in mind

> > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana, his

> > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of death, hence

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in south and

> > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not as a

> > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of the dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had promotions and

> > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It is

> > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or so as that

> > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not have any

> > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu would

> > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga after all)

> > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha instead of Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say so but

> > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa graha

> > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha trikona and

> > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed to be

> > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its home that

> > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more popularly called

> > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is really

> > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at its most

> > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent water bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My father

> > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i received

> > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing, Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I guess

> > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

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> > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/435 -

> Release

> > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > 8/31/2006

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