Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Kumarji, Maharishi Parasara had, however, added that in Kaliyuga the easiest to understand would be the clinical method of computing Ashtakvarga and we would do well to recall that the focus of ashtakvarga is on these upachaya houses. Further, a chart with a fortified ninth house and good strong kendras would not normally need many remedies. A strong fifth house would drive the person to the right direction. For kaliyugi jyotishis like me, the rationale of upachaya becomes significantly relevant.And then again, my emphasis would be to suggest remedies which might be slow but would involve attempting to change the more malleable parts of the chart. Your solid contribution to classical principles is well understood. regards rishi , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Rishi ji, > > good u got the right end of what I said I hope u have gone thru what i said in the malefics redifined post in feb, april it is very much on these. > > Here i added on Prafulla quoting urs on Upchayas these happen naturally so I am sure there is no need to puch it an excess can be falling in the arishad vargas so we need to strikea balance between the Upchaya and Kendra, Trikona, if we see the factt hat the latter are affected aflictred not Upchaya this surely adds to what i said it is naturally and strong enough where we need no remedies and it can WORK its way on its own. > > say good > 3- sports men, craftsmen, writers, makrsmen, workers; > 6-nurses, personal aids, workers, spies, laison commission/agents; > 10-work place, team, livelihood; > 11 gains from all the others be it kendra, trikona or Upachaya. > > so i felt Maharishi Parashara did not feel the need to add more to the ones that are stong like adding fresh water to Ganga always strong and pure wil make no difference if we add pure water. > > > > rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in wrote: Prashant Kumarji, > That exactly the point which is being made. Ideally speaking all > Human beings should reailse their mission, pray to the lord and seek > salvation. If we were all to do this, then the world woud be a > better place to live in. The maya is such that often we do karmas > and seek selfish gains for ourselves, our families and so on. That > is the material part of the world. Most seekers from the Jyotishis > seek information regarding job, better chances, business, marriage, > better education...the emphasis is on the "better". Most remedies > therefore should be such which would assist the seeker in achieving > the betterment of their lives. > It is not a coincidence that in Jyotish 3,6, 10 and 11 houses have > been also considered as growth or upachaya houses besides what you > succintly put as "houses represent the arishad vargas or the ones > to be controlled". > The remedies should revolve around or involve such karma so that the > consumer gets what he/she seeks rather than what the jyotishi > desires him to get! > regards > > rishi > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Prafulla, > > > > well traditionally speaking the 3,6,10,11 how can u add > remedies for it? > > > > currently as i said in my thread on redifining malefic > houses, planets on 25/2 and 13/4 06 have said it works differently > in a materialist world now. > > > > but what happens here is more of gut feeling to arrogance so all > we can say is strengthen gut feeling than arrogence. by meditaion, > excercises too. > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: Dear Shri > Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > > > Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of Bhaskar ji). > It was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could change? - > So I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic (will > happen for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. > > > > Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he wondered, > why not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for dharma > and moksha kona? > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, > a result but not the purpose. > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar@ > > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > > > > > Prafulla, > > > predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western > astrology uses > > > fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and its > effect a > > > collection of them are needed just like how we have a leader, > king, don, > > > CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too our > evil time > > > we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, > tragedy etc. > > > the Samohika karmaphala > > > > > > I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya here > sotme back > > > > > > in short again here > > > when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala hills > a bus > > > skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail end of > the > > > ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus more > on the > > > edge could have taken all down but some how it got help and > was pulled > > > out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all the > piligrims > > > in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, karma > that he > > > will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man > alike and his > > > good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 yrs > later > > > became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so far, > noow > > > called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the one > more > > > accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged even > Jayednra > > > saraswathi in to its web. > > > > > > so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung us > can destroy > > > us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future > lives if > > > anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor good > and bad > > > that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to 80- > 85% max rest > > > is god's will.. > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature > (whether for > > > mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial > measure? > > > > > > Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about it), > in my view > > > - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet the > > > uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it > uncertain > > > !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic > patterns, so that > > > native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or say > > > awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. > mukti from the > > > life/death cycle). > > > > > > On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of > remedial issues > > > for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic purpose > of jyotish. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way > he may > > > try. > > > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared > from > > > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get > foreknowledge of > > > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from > God, I mean > > > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. > Just like > > > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and > lakhs of > > > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and > nothing is > > > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible > from Him. > > > > > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to > mouth our > > > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about > that. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and > earthquake before > > > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by > acting before > > > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to > kill many > > > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose > their faith > > > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided- sword. > > > > > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's > lunar > > > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami (as > after the > > > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the > measurement in r- > > > > > scale is only 4.... > > > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of > my friends, > > > > > who trust me.... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning > newspapers. > > > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one > line. > > > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation > to Earth), > > > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate > him with > > > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the > housewives > > > hand > > > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in > another way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as > Ganeshji > > > > taking > > > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems > have been > > > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or > by > > > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > > > countries, > > > > > or > > > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this > manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > > > Venketramani > > > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical > factors has 70% > > > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and > another the > > > > > last 2 > > > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > predictions > > > > > lack > > > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams > predicitons on > > > > > may > > > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited > collection. > > > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > > > inprediciting > > > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in > 71 when > > > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a > bumper > > > majority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani > about the > > > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak > on 7th he > > > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major > terrorist > > > > > attack > > > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in > assak > > > > > location > > > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 > day error > > > > > was > > > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend > millions > > > > > inshifting > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they > happen to the > > > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as > precautonary too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to > happen > > > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth > quake r there > > > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > > > astologers > > > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. > esp the > > > > > left > > > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > > > > > group but > > > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > mail or > > > > > phone. > > > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal > ID also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 This makes me remember a native with Pisces lagna, who has jupiter in Lagna, and has been many times suddenly saved at the last moment by cruel hands of fate, at present been appointed (His Jupiter Dasha) just started, a Consultant (Energy saver) for all present and upcoming malls of the biggest fashion House in India, Pantaloons. he sits with the Directors now and is a close relative too of me., so I know about him. jupiter apecting 5th and 9th giving him the perfect shield needed for anyone. i would give 2 years of my life to have that combination. regards, Bhaskar. regards, bhaskar. , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Kumarji, > > Maharishi Parasara had, however, added that in Kaliyuga the easiest > to understand would be the clinical method of computing Ashtakvarga > and we would do well to recall that the focus of ashtakvarga is on > these upachaya houses. > Further, a chart with a fortified ninth house and good strong > kendras would not normally need many remedies. A strong fifth house > would drive the person to the right direction. > For kaliyugi jyotishis like me, the rationale of upachaya becomes > significantly relevant.And then again, my emphasis would be to > suggest remedies which might be slow but would involve attempting to > change the more malleable parts of the chart. > Your solid contribution to classical principles is well understood. > regards > rishi > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Rishi ji, > > > > good u got the right end of what I said I hope u have gone thru > what i said in the malefics redifined post in feb, april it is very > much on these. > > > > Here i added on Prafulla quoting urs on Upchayas these happen > naturally so I am sure there is no need to puch it an excess can be > falling in the arishad vargas so we need to strikea balance between > the Upchaya and Kendra, Trikona, if we see the factt hat the latter > are affected aflictred not Upchaya this surely adds to what i said > it is naturally and strong enough where we need no remedies and it > can WORK its way on its own. > > > > say good > > 3- sports men, craftsmen, writers, makrsmen, workers; > > 6-nurses, personal aids, workers, spies, laison > commission/agents; > > 10-work place, team, livelihood; > > 11 gains from all the others be it kendra, trikona or Upachaya. > > > > so i felt Maharishi Parashara did not feel the need to add more > to the ones that are stong like adding fresh water to Ganga always > strong and pure wil make no difference if we add pure water. > > > > > > > > rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in@> > wrote: Prashant > Kumarji, > > That exactly the point which is being made. Ideally speaking all > > Human beings should reailse their mission, pray to the lord and > seek > > salvation. If we were all to do this, then the world woud be a > > better place to live in. The maya is such that often we do > karmas > > and seek selfish gains for ourselves, our families and so on. > That > > is the material part of the world. Most seekers from the > Jyotishis > > seek information regarding job, better chances, business, > marriage, > > better education...the emphasis is on the "better". Most > remedies > > therefore should be such which would assist the seeker in > achieving > > the betterment of their lives. > > It is not a coincidence that in Jyotish 3,6, 10 and 11 houses > have > > been also considered as growth or upachaya houses besides what > you > > succintly put as "houses represent the arishad vargas or the > ones > > to be controlled". > > The remedies should revolve around or involve such karma so that > the > > consumer gets what he/she seeks rather than what the jyotishi > > desires him to get! > > regards > > > > rishi > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Prafulla, > > > > > > well traditionally speaking the 3,6,10,11 how can u add > > remedies for it? > > > > > > currently as i said in my thread on redifining malefic > > houses, planets on 25/2 and 13/4 06 have said it works > differently > > in a materialist world now. > > > > > > but what happens here is more of gut feeling to arrogance so > all > > we can say is strengthen gut feeling than arrogence. by > meditaion, > > excercises too. > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: Dear > Shri > > Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of Bhaskar > ji). > > It was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could > change? - > > So I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic > (will > > happen for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. > > > > > > Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he > wondered, > > why not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for > dharma > > and moksha kona? > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if > we do > > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- > > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a > boat, > > a result but not the purpose. > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar@ > > > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > > > > > > > Prafulla, > > > > predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western > > astrology uses > > > > fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and > its > > effect a > > > > collection of them are needed just like how we have a > leader, > > king, don, > > > > CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too > our > > evil time > > > > we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, > > tragedy etc. > > > > the Samohika karmaphala > > > > > > > > I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya > here > > sotme back > > > > > > > > in short again here > > > > when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala > hills > > a bus > > > > skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail > end of > > the > > > > ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus > more > > on the > > > > edge could have taken all down but some how it got help > and > > was pulled > > > > out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all > the > > piligrims > > > > in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, > karma > > that he > > > > will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man > > alike and his > > > > good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 > yrs > > later > > > > became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so > far, > > noow > > > > called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the > one > > more > > > > accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged > even > > Jayednra > > > > saraswathi in to its web. > > > > > > > > so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung > us > > can destroy > > > > us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future > > lives if > > > > anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor > good > > and bad > > > > that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to > 80- > > 85% max rest > > > > is god's will.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature > > (whether for > > > > mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial > > measure? > > > > > > > > Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about > it), > > in my view > > > > - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to > meet the > > > > uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call > it > > uncertain > > > > !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic > > patterns, so that > > > > native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness > (or say > > > > awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. > > mukti from the > > > > life/death cycle). > > > > > > > > On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of > > remedial issues > > > > for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic > purpose > > of jyotish. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > > > > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > > > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever > way > > he may > > > > try. > > > > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be > cleared > > from > > > > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get > > foreknowledge of > > > > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate > from > > God, I mean > > > > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and > doing. > > Just like > > > > > a big server has control over thousands of computers > and > > lakhs of > > > > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server > and > > nothing is > > > > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is > unaccessible > > from Him. > > > > > > > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing > to > > mouth our > > > > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about > > that. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn > Chawan > > > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and > > earthquake before > > > > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by > > acting before > > > > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish > to > > kill many > > > > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have > lose > > their faith > > > > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided- > sword. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was > reading > > > > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after > september's > > lunar > > > > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami > (as > > after the > > > > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the > > measurement in r- > > > > > > scale is only 4.... > > > > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few > of > > my friends, > > > > > > who trust me.... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning > > newspapers. > > > > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention > how he > > > > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in > one > > line. > > > > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is > allowed > > > > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in > relation > > to Earth), > > > > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot > equate > > him with > > > > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same > instruments for > > > > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is > different > > > > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the > > housewives > > > > hand > > > > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in > > another way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as > > Ganeshji > > > > > taking > > > > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it > seems > > have been > > > > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour > country, or > > by > > > > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from > foreign > > > > > countries, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in > this > > manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > Kumar G B > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN > Rao, > > > > > > Venketramani > > > > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical > > factors has 70% > > > > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and > > another the > > > > > > last 2 > > > > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and > bedunk > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > > predictions > > > > > > lack > > > > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams > > predicitons on > > > > > > may > > > > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited > > collection. > > > > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > > > > inprediciting > > > > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of > Raman's in > > 71 when > > > > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a > > bumper > > > > majority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani > > about the > > > > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj > tak > > on 7th he > > > > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major > > terrorist > > > > > > attack > > > > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in > > assak > > > > > > location > > > > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and > 3 > > day error > > > > > > was > > > > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend > > millions > > > > > > inshifting > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they > > happen to the > > > > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as > > precautonary too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his > forecast to > > happen > > > > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth > > quake r there > > > > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time > for > > > > > > astologers > > > > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there > anyway. > > esp the > > > > > > left > > > > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > > > > > > > group but > > > > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by > chat, > > mail or > > > > > > phone. > > > > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay > Pal > > ID also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Sir, Sorry but would like to add that proper mantras/tantras may help in providing the right karmic link, so to blend the whole significance of the house of course along with the derived link, through karmas- or hard work in the now chosen field which would be the right one. regards, bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Rishi ji > > Yes - you are very right. These houses are primarily the karmic houses and if so - can be improvised only around karmic pursuits - not through remedies like - mantras / tantras etc. They represent sort of "free will" for the native. In my opinion, blending the proper karma - can be best way forward (e.g. you suggested of enhancement of skill). > > If we want karmic houses to be left to non karmic remedies, then we are defeating their entire premise. > > Blending the elements is always the best way forward. I recall, once for sade sati - one yogi suggesting my friend to serve his father. Unfortunately, people seek quick fix, and with the growing fear amongst jyotishis - for getting their clients quick relief, many of the proper remedies are seldom suggested. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not the purpose. > > ************************************************** > > > > > > rishi_2000in > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:01:09 -0000 > > > > Re: 3, 6 ,10, 11 remedies... 11/9 2 > > > > Kumarji, > > > > Maharishi Parasara had, however, added that in Kaliyuga the easiest > > to understand would be the clinical method of computing Ashtakvarga > > and we would do well to recall that the focus of ashtakvarga is on > > these upachaya houses. > > Further, a chart with a fortified ninth house and good strong > > kendras would not normally need many remedies. A strong fifth house > > would drive the person to the right direction. > > For kaliyugi jyotishis like me, the rationale of upachaya becomes > > significantly relevant.And then again, my emphasis would be to > > suggest remedies which might be slow but would involve attempting to > > change the more malleable parts of the chart. > > Your solid contribution to classical principles is well understood. > > regards > > rishi > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >> > >> Rishi ji, > >> > >> good u got the right end of what I said I hope u have gone thru > > what i said in the malefics redifined post in feb, april it is very > > much on these. > >> > >> Here i added on Prafulla quoting urs on Upchayas these happen > > naturally so I am sure there is no need to puch it an excess can be > > falling in the arishad vargas so we need to strikea balance between > > the Upchaya and Kendra, Trikona, if we see the factt hat the latter > > are affected aflictred not Upchaya this surely adds to what i said > > it is naturally and strong enough where we need no remedies and it > > can WORK its way on its own. > >> > >> say good > >> 3- sports men, craftsmen, writers, makrsmen, workers; > >> 6-nurses, personal aids, workers, spies, laison > > commission/agents; > >> 10-work place, team, livelihood; > >> 11 gains from all the others be it kendra, trikona or Upachaya. > >> > >> so i felt Maharishi Parashara did not feel the need to add more > > to the ones that are stong like adding fresh water to Ganga always > > strong and pure wil make no difference if we add pure water. > >> > >> > >> > >> rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in@> > > wrote: Prashant > > Kumarji, > >> That exactly the point which is being made. Ideally speaking all > >> Human beings should reailse their mission, pray to the lord and > > seek > >> salvation. If we were all to do this, then the world woud be a > >> better place to live in. The maya is such that often we do > > karmas > >> and seek selfish gains for ourselves, our families and so on. > > That > >> is the material part of the world. Most seekers from the > > Jyotishis > >> seek information regarding job, better chances, business, > > marriage, > >> better education...the emphasis is on the "better". Most > > remedies > >> therefore should be such which would assist the seeker in > > achieving > >> the betterment of their lives. > >> It is not a coincidence that in Jyotish 3,6, 10 and 11 houses > > have > >> been also considered as growth or upachaya houses besides what > > you > >> succintly put as "houses represent the arishad vargas or the > > ones > >> to be controlled". > >> The remedies should revolve around or involve such karma so that > > the > >> consumer gets what he/she seeks rather than what the jyotishi > >> desires him to get! > >> regards > >> > >> rishi > >> > >> , Prashant Kumar G B > >> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Prafulla, > >> > > >> > well traditionally speaking the 3,6,10,11 how can u add > >> remedies for it? > >> > > >> > currently as i said in my thread on redifining malefic > >> houses, planets on 25/2 and 13/4 06 have said it works > > differently > >> in a materialist world now. > >> > > >> > but what happens here is more of gut feeling to arrogance so > > all > >> we can say is strengthen gut feeling than arrogence. by > > meditaion, > >> excercises too. > >> > > >> > > >> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >> wrote: Dear > > Shri > >> Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > >> > > >> > Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of Bhaskar > > ji). > >> It was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could > > change? - > >> So I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic > > (will > >> happen for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. > >> > > >> > Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he > > wondered, > >> why not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for > > dharma > >> and moksha kona? > >> > > >> > regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > > >> > Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if > > we do > >> these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- > >> interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a > > boat, > >> a result but not the purpose. > >> > > >> > ************************************************ > >> > > >> > > > >> > > gbp_kumar@ > >> > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > >> > > > >> > > Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > >> > > > >> > > Prafulla, > >> > > predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western > >> astrology uses > >> > > fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and > > its > >> effect a > >> > > collection of them are needed just like how we have a > > leader, > >> king, don, > >> > > CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too > > our > >> evil time > >> > > we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, > >> tragedy etc. > >> > > the Samohika karmaphala > >> > > > >> > > I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya > > here > >> sotme back > >> > > > >> > > in short again here > >> > > when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala > > hills > >> a bus > >> > > skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail > > end of > >> the > >> > > ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus > > more > >> on the > >> > > edge could have taken all down but some how it got help > > and > >> was pulled > >> > > out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all > > the > >> piligrims > >> > > in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, > > karma > >> that he > >> > > will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man > >> alike and his > >> > > good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 > > yrs > >> later > >> > > became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so > > far, > >> noow > >> > > called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the > > one > >> more > >> > > accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged > > even > >> Jayednra > >> > > saraswathi in to its web. > >> > > > >> > > so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung > > us > >> can destroy > >> > > us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future > >> lives if > >> > > anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor > > good > >> and bad > >> > > that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to > > 80- > >> 85% max rest > >> > > is god's will.. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > >> > > > >> > > Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature > >> (whether for > >> > > mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial > >> measure? > >> > > > >> > > Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about > > it), > >> in my view > >> > > - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to > > meet the > >> > > uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call > > it > >> uncertain > >> > > !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic > >> patterns, so that > >> > > native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness > > (or say > >> > > awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. > >> mukti from the > >> > > life/death cycle). > >> > > > >> > > On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of > >> remedial issues > >> > > for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic > > purpose > >> of jyotish. > >> > > > >> > > regards / Prafulla > >> > > > >> > > , "Bhaskar" > >> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Shri Jagdishji, > >> > > > > >> > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > >> > > > like to answer it., in short. > >> > > > > >> > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever > > way > >> he may > >> > > try. > >> > > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be > > cleared > >> from > >> > > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get > >> foreknowledge of > >> > > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate > > from > >> God, I mean > >> > > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and > > doing. > >> Just like > >> > > > a big server has control over thousands of computers > > and > >> lakhs of > >> > > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server > > and > >> nothing is > >> > > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is > > unaccessible > >> from Him. > >> > > > > >> > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing > > to > >> mouth our > >> > > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about > >> that. > >> > > > > >> > > > regards, > >> > > > Bhaskar. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > , Prathamesn > > Chawan > >> > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Dear Ji > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Greetings > >> > > > > > >> > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and > >> earthquake before > >> > > > hand through astrologers. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 1) Prediction went right > >> > > > > > >> > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by > >> acting before > >> > > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish > > to > >> kill many > >> > > > people by these natural disasters ? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have > > lose > >> their faith > >> > > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for > > them. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided- > > sword. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Any comments ? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Jagdish > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > >> > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > >> > > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was > > reading > >> > > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after > > september's > >> lunar > >> > > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami > > (as > >> after the > >> > > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > >> > > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the > >> measurement in r- > >> > > > > scale is only 4.... > >> > > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few > > of > >> my friends, > >> > > > > who trust me.... > >> > > > > Regards, > >> > > > > Gaurav > >> > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > >> > > > > > >> > > > > , "Bhaskar" > >> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning > >> newspapers. > >> > > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention > > how he > >> > > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in > > one > >> line. > >> > > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > >> > > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is > > allowed > >> > > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in > > relation > >> to Earth), > >> > > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot > > equate > >> him with > >> > > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same > > instruments for > >> > > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is > > different > >> > > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the > >> housewives > >> > > hand > >> > > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in > >> another way. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as > >> Ganeshji > >> > > > taking > >> > > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it > > seems > >> have been > >> > > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour > > country, or > >> by > >> > > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from > > foreign > >> > > > countries, > >> > > > > or > >> > > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in > > this > >> manner. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > regards, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > regards, > >> > > > > > Bhaskar. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > , Prashant > >> Kumar G B > >> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Readers, > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN > > Rao, > >> > > > > Venketramani > >> > > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical > >> factors has 70% > >> > > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and > >> another the > >> > > > > last 2 > >> > > > > > strong leftists. > >> > > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and > > bedunk > >> astrology > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > >> predictions > >> > > > > lack > >> > > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams > >> predicitons on > >> > > > > may > >> > > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited > >> collection. > >> > > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > >> > > > > inprediciting > >> > > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of > > Raman's in > >> 71 when > >> > > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a > >> bumper > >> > > majority. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani > >> about the > >> > > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj > > tak > >> on 7th he > >> > > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major > >> terrorist > >> > > > > attack > >> > > > > > will happen near a religious place > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in > >> assak > >> > > > > location > >> > > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and > > 3 > >> day error > >> > > > > was > >> > > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend > >> millions > >> > > > > inshifting > >> > > > > > people > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they > >> happen to the > >> > > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as > >> precautonary too. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his > > forecast to > >> happen > >> > > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth > >> quake r there > >> > > > > > astrologically. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time > > for > >> > > > > astologers > >> > > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there > > anyway. > >> esp the > >> > > > > left > >> > > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > group but > >> > > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by > > chat, > >> mail or > >> > > > > phone. > >> > > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay > > Pal > >> ID also > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > >> > > > > > > 09840051861 > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Dear Rishi, These are no all my ruminations and understandings, so please do take these or leave it as you may wish or be inclined to, but here goes: Each lifetime, and thus each horoscope depicting that lifetime (one and only, the current point of awareness and power) holds many promises, many possible trends. There may not be just one rigid or only path for an individual to take. Which path to take or focus more on is a function of some degree of freedom of choice and also the intrinsic guna of the nativity. The guna or natural inclination is formed over lifetimes of karmic patterns. Most people when facing a choice tend to go the path which accommodates or is driven by their inherent inclinations, inherent nature, inherent guna. >From that arises the reproducibility and predictability of astrology and astrologers. In that sense we are all/most of all are slaves of prarabdha. However, no planet or combination is purely capable of expressing only one guna and so freedom of choice, free-will is not about fighting some destiny, some rigid, unshakeable, unalterable outcome of our past karmas but how we choose to, work towards and manage to express it! The same song can be played in different scales, but unlike music, the music of spheres can be played on the divine flute named human being can play the tune is different scales, depending on how strongly God is blowing into it, or said another way, how open the flute is to receiving the Divine breath! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Kumarji, > > Maharishi Parasara had, however, added that in Kaliyuga the easiest > to understand would be the clinical method of computing Ashtakvarga > and we would do well to recall that the focus of ashtakvarga is on > these upachaya houses. > Further, a chart with a fortified ninth house and good strong > kendras would not normally need many remedies. A strong fifth house > would drive the person to the right direction. > For kaliyugi jyotishis like me, the rationale of upachaya becomes > significantly relevant.And then again, my emphasis would be to > suggest remedies which might be slow but would involve attempting to > change the more malleable parts of the chart. > Your solid contribution to classical principles is well understood. > regards > rishi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Respected Sir Rohini Ranjan Ji What a beautiful explaination !! Your emails are always so clear and so beautiful. .....I always hate the fact that we are slave. But i have few question unanswered. 1) If we are slave then why we have a brain to think ? 2) Assuming that cycle of karma is correct, why GOD put us in this cycle ? 3) What does GOD want from us ? 4) Why does GOD give "Cancer" to a 20 years old boy ? 5) Why Tsunami, Katrina, Terrorism ? 6) Is "GOD" really "GOOD" ? 7) If "GOD" is really there why he does not show up his face ? Why he is hiding himself ? 8) Why only earth was chosen for "Cycle of Karma" ? I always pray GOD. I am scared of him and of his powers. I dont pray GOD because i love him or he takes care of me. But I pray GOD because if he will get angry on me then he will use his powers to make my life hell. I want to have a smooth life.... Hope you have some answers. Jagdish pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Rishi, These are no all my ruminations and understandings, so please do take these or leave it as you may wish or be inclined to, but here goes: Each lifetime, and thus each horoscope depicting that lifetime (one and only, the current point of awareness and power) holds many promises, many possible trends. There may not be just one rigid or only path for an individual to take. Which path to take or focus more on is a function of some degree of freedom of choice and also the intrinsic guna of the nativity. The guna or natural inclination is formed over lifetimes of karmic patterns. Most people when facing a choice tend to go the path which accommodates or is driven by their inherent inclinations, inherent nature, inherent guna. >From that arises the reproducibility and predictability of astrology and astrologers. In that sense we are all/most of all are slaves of prarabdha. However, no planet or combination is purely capable of expressing only one guna and so freedom of choice, free-will is not about fighting some destiny, some rigid, unshakeable, unalterable outcome of our past karmas but how we choose to, work towards and manage to express it! The same song can be played in different scales, but unlike music, the music of spheres can be played on the divine flute named human being can play the tune is different scales, depending on how strongly God is blowing into it, or said another way, how open the flute is to receiving the Divine breath! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Kumarji, > > Maharishi Parasara had, however, added that in Kaliyuga the easiest > to understand would be the clinical method of computing Ashtakvarga > and we would do well to recall that the focus of ashtakvarga is on > these upachaya houses. > Further, a chart with a fortified ninth house and good strong > kendras would not normally need many remedies. A strong fifth house > would drive the person to the right direction. > For kaliyugi jyotishis like me, the rationale of upachaya becomes > significantly relevant.And then again, my emphasis would be to > suggest remedies which might be slow but would involve attempting to > change the more malleable parts of the chart. > Your solid contribution to classical principles is well understood. > regards > rishi > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Prathameshji/Jagdishji/upaoakcrest ji/...: Thanks for your kind words! But just in case that you get into the other phase of the inevitable cycle of things (or being!), I must gently alert you -- that I may not be able/willing to promise any interesting charts or birthdata, should you demand the same in the next several hours! As far as answers, I consider all questions as already lit lamps, like the thousand rayed SUN! The question alone can hold the answer, once vision returns following the blinding effect passes! :-) Realistically as ever! RR , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Respected Sir Rohini Ranjan Ji > > What a beautiful explaination !! > > Your emails are always so clear and so beautiful. > > .....I always hate the fact that we are slave. But i have few question unanswered. > > 1) If we are slave then why we have a brain to think ? > > 2) Assuming that cycle of karma is correct, why GOD put us in this cycle ? > > 3) What does GOD want from us ? > > 4) Why does GOD give "Cancer" to a 20 years old boy ? > > 5) Why Tsunami, Katrina, Terrorism ? > > 6) Is "GOD" really "GOOD" ? > > 7) If "GOD" is really there why he does not show up his face ? Why he is hiding himself ? > > 8) Why only earth was chosen for "Cycle of Karma" ? > > > I always pray GOD. I am scared of him and of his powers. I dont pray GOD because i love him or he takes care of me. But I pray GOD because if he will get angry on me then he will use his powers to make my life hell. I want to have a smooth life.... > > > Hope you have some answers. > > Jagdish > > pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Dear Rishi, > > These are no all my ruminations and understandings, so please do take > these or leave it as you may wish or be inclined to, but here goes: > > Each lifetime, and thus each horoscope depicting that lifetime (one > and only, the current point of awareness and power) holds many > promises, many possible trends. There may not be just one rigid or > only path for an individual to take. > > Which path to take or focus more on is a function of some degree of > freedom of choice and also the intrinsic guna of the nativity. The > guna or natural inclination is formed over lifetimes of karmic > patterns. > > Most people when facing a choice tend to go the path which > accommodates or is driven by their inherent inclinations, inherent > nature, inherent guna. > > From that arises the reproducibility and predictability of astrology > and astrologers. In that sense we are all/most of all are slaves of > prarabdha. > > However, no planet or combination is purely capable of expressing > only one guna and so freedom of choice, free-will is not about > fighting some destiny, some rigid, unshakeable, unalterable outcome > of our past karmas but how we choose to, work towards and manage to > express it! The same song can be played in different scales, but > unlike music, the music of spheres can be played on the divine flute > named human being can play the tune is different scales, depending on > how strongly God is blowing into it, or said another way, how open > the flute is to receiving the Divine breath! > > RR > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Kumarji, > > > > Maharishi Parasara had, however, added that in Kaliyuga the easiest > > to understand would be the clinical method of computing Ashtakvarga > > and we would do well to recall that the focus of ashtakvarga is on > > these upachaya houses. > > Further, a chart with a fortified ninth house and good strong > > kendras would not normally need many remedies. A strong fifth house > > would drive the person to the right direction. > > For kaliyugi jyotishis like me, the rationale of upachaya becomes > > significantly relevant.And then again, my emphasis would be to > > suggest remedies which might be slow but would involve attempting > to > > change the more malleable parts of the chart. > > Your solid contribution to classical principles is well understood. > > regards > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Absolutely, Sir. The paths are many, the choice plenty. One gets pushed in this direction and that following the sound of the flute. The flute may play Shakira or Mira. My point was simpler rather elementary. That the beginning and the end of the path are fixed for each lifetime for the very definition of a 'lifetime' and the conscious awareness of the lifetime comes from these fixed points. That the path in between has a mix of freewill and a concatenation of circumstances which the vicissitudes of life push us through. That, we, the students of jyotish should be able to understand the innate potential of any chart and the constraints a chart reveals and accordingly advise "karmik" remedies. If my message suggested anything else or was confusing maybe it was intentional? regards rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Rishi, > > These are no all my ruminations and understandings, so please do take > these or leave it as you may wish or be inclined to, but here goes: > > Each lifetime, and thus each horoscope depicting that lifetime (one > and only, the current point of awareness and power) holds many > promises, many possible trends. There may not be just one rigid or > only path for an individual to take. > > Which path to take or focus more on is a function of some degree of > freedom of choice and also the intrinsic guna of the nativity. The > guna or natural inclination is formed over lifetimes of karmic > patterns. > > Most people when facing a choice tend to go the path which > accommodates or is driven by their inherent inclinations, inherent > nature, inherent guna. > > From that arises the reproducibility and predictability of astrology > and astrologers. In that sense we are all/most of all are slaves of > prarabdha. > > However, no planet or combination is purely capable of expressing > only one guna and so freedom of choice, free-will is not about > fighting some destiny, some rigid, unshakeable, unalterable outcome > of our past karmas but how we choose to, work towards and manage to > express it! The same song can be played in different scales, but > unlike music, the music of spheres can be played on the divine flute > named human being can play the tune is different scales, depending on > how strongly God is blowing into it, or said another way, how open > the flute is to receiving the Divine breath! > > RR > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Kumarji, > > > > Maharishi Parasara had, however, added that in Kaliyuga the easiest > > to understand would be the clinical method of computing Ashtakvarga > > and we would do well to recall that the focus of ashtakvarga is on > > these upachaya houses. > > Further, a chart with a fortified ninth house and good strong > > kendras would not normally need many remedies. A strong fifth house > > would drive the person to the right direction. > > For kaliyugi jyotishis like me, the rationale of upachaya becomes > > significantly relevant.And then again, my emphasis would be to > > suggest remedies which might be slow but would involve attempting > to > > change the more malleable parts of the chart. > > Your solid contribution to classical principles is well understood. > > regards > > rishi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 dear sri jagadish, we have to presume that god has given total freedom to all the living creatures in this planet earth. In this planet it is only the human beings who commit sins and not other creatures. As u observe today the moral values have degraded throught the world. Scientific advancements seem to have after effects like hole in the ozone layer, global warming due to pollution, god isnt responsible for all these human acts, so we pay for it by having abnormal changes in the weather etc.we have a very wrong notion that jus praying to god will take care of us against such calamities. But after our prayers we go back start doing our acts of ommision or sins(knowingly or unknownigly). It is like a christian who goes to the church and does a confession of his misdeeds and comes back and does the same thing. he has strong faith that his confession to the messenger of god will absolve him of his sins. I thought i can share my observations. I have no intention of hurting any religious feelings, with good wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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