Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Prafulla, I was around then I wud have asked Socrates more questions.... as u point/filter 1 HOW DO U define truth point 2 HOD do u define good/bad depends on where one stands. point 3 is without even attempting on the 1st 2 u cant judge usefulness TRUTH IS WHAT is sat-chit-ananda or Satchinanda swurapa where what is said is true and not bitter [truth is btter but all bitter things is not truth] quoting a incident, event to embarasss some one as truth say like i may saiy in anger I want to kill x, y z and if I was anywhere near the that person dying and still if I am not connected but there can be many to saty I said so, WHICH IS TRUE ISNT IT? but how good is the merrit of such a link .? or use too some real killer may go away scot free. Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Shri Kumar ji, We all human beings live on perceptions and perception may not be reality. Any opinion for/against anyone does not matter in broader terms. How is anyone affected by criticism ..do you think Saibaba / SS Ravi / Shrankacharya are bothered by our praise or criticism. Or for that matter - by any one ? No..just like socrates was not interested . A small story - with multiple tangents (from the perception one is reading it) - a little humur (please do not corelate this with shrankacharya / Saibaba or any person in the thread) **quote** In ancient Greece, Socrates was reputed to hold knowledge in high esteem.. One day an acquaintance came upon the great philosopher and said, "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about your friend?" "Hold on a minute," Socrates replied. "Before telling me anything I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test." "Triple filter test?" "That's right," Socrates continued. "Before you talk to me about my friend, let's take a moment and filter what you're going to say. The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?" "No," the man said, "actually I just heard about it and..." "All right," said Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my friend something good?" "No, on the contrary..." "So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him, and you're not certain it's true. You may still pass the test though, because there's one filter left: the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my friend going to be useful to me?" "No, not really." "Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither true nor good nor even useful, why tell it to me at all?" This meyhod of thought is why Socrates is considered one of the greatest philosophers ever documented. and held in such high esteem. It also explains why he never found out his best friend was screwing his wife. ** end quote ** regards / Prafulla Gang Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not the purpose. ************************************************** > > gbp_kumar > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:19:54 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 > > Rev Father Arjjun, > > Which church do u belong to. > > I am sorry for so saying as some god men r there who exploited the > gullible. > the 3 who we can discount from them are Satya sai Baba and Mata > Amrutanandamayi, Ravi shankar all truly secular too have done > philanthropic work than anyone of the missionaries who are plush with > money. > > AND WHY MUST GOD MEN save, save lives? in calamities how can they over > rule nature or gods will. > if they failed to provide relief, comfort we can surely complain, > > satya sai Baba free for all state-of-the-art super specialty hospital > a with best care in the world all free just enter the registration area > at 7 am and rest u r taken care off til then end FREE, no fear or favor > works, all serve there a s god itself, the only problem is that they > care for the living not the dying. that is bread winners of the family > 15-65 if there is time do care for others too, diagnosis for all is > done treatment only 1st for above group. > > not a word is ever said By anyone and worse even cherish one alive who > came here and set up a missionary by splitting for the main one did they > don't do good work then and what did mission do to gives its founder a > Nobel prize just catered for 40,000 people dying on the foot path, > 29000/40000 died in days rest within a week.ha must not forget baptized > before that mostly poor Muslims for Bangladesh. > > My point is more that there are good men bad men all over so lets not > bruish them in one stroke, one color either. > > we must see if the ones ulisted are doign any good work, whatever if > they get 1 crore let them spend at least 75 laks and enjoy 25 laks of > comfort, which politicinas will use 99laks in such cases.. > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: > dear friends > > this subject of predicting natural calamities with success keep > coming off and on and a thread follows for few days. > > here is what i observed based on facts: > > in the last five years, all astrologers and panchangakartas, in > thier zeal to find their place in the list of most successful > predictions, have started listing the following incidents for the > CHART OF THE COUNTRY I.E. INDIA: > > 1. heavy rains and floods cause damage to fields and property. > 2. some parts witness drought and famine. > 3. a national leader of repute passes away. > 4. the country progresses further in the technology (IT) field. > 5. more terrorist attacks happen in various parts of the country. > 6. new viral (air borne) diseases are expected to come from foreign > lands. > 7. india gets greater achiements in the sports arena. > 8. a leading film personality passes away. > 9. financial scams of large magnitude will be detected. > 10. a top politician will be indicted for corruption. > > as is simple common sense without any role of astrology, all the > above ten MACRO predictions keep happening in every country every > year. > > some astrolgoers intelligent enough to go to micro level by > suggesting direction based predictions but whenever an incident > happens, they boast themselves by stating that since the origin of > the particular calamity is from this side, my prediction of a > calamity happening on the particular side predicted is true. > > forget about astrologers, there are so many godmen in this country > at whose feet the top most ministers fall including the president > and prime minister e.g. kalki bhagwan, amma, saibaba, > shankaracharya, sriravishankar and many more. ALL THESE GODMEN WHO > ARE TREATED AS GODS OR KALKI AVATARS BY THEIR RESPECTIVE FOLLOWERS > HAVE NEVER PREDICTED AND AVERTED ANY NATURAL CALAMITY. ALL THESE > GODMEN WERE SUCCESSFUL ONLY IN COLLECTING DONATIONS AFTER THE > CALAMITY AND VISIT THE DESTRUCTION PLACES AND DISTRIBUTE FOOD AND > CLOTHES AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEOS AND FURTHER USE THEM FOR > SELF PUBLICITY ACROSS THE GLOBE ONLY TO ATTRACT FURTHER DONATIONS. > > so my submission is that if godmen who are treatd as the kalki > avatar of the god have failed in predicting a natural calamity, how > can an ordinary astrologer predict. > > please correct me if any of you have found any godmen of these years > predicting an incident beforehand. > > in andhra pradesh, there used to live a saint called potuluri > veerabrahmam who was from a low caste and illiterate but he got > brahma jnan and predicted 1001 incidents that will happen in andhra > and all of them are happening. of course, like nostradamus he too > did not give any dates. > > we are yet to see any godman, clairvoyant or an astrolgoer > predicting future incidents in advance for the country, specifically > natural calamities. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may > try. > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I > mean > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing > is > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from > Him. > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth our > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake > before > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting before > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their > faith > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after > the > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in > r- > > > scale is only 4.... > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my > friends, > > > who trust me.... > > > Regards, > > > Gaurav > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to > Earth), > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives > hand > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > > taking > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have > been > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > countries, > > > or > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > Venketramani > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has > 70% > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > > last 2 > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > > > lack > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons > on > > > may > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > inprediciting > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > majority. > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > > attack > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > > location > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > > > was > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > > inshifting > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to > the > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r > there > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > astologers > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > > > left > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > group but > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > > phone. > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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