Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Prafullaji, Another interesting point to be considered is that while the 3,6,10,11 are the houses which are perhaps the most malleable with current karmas. If a job seeker comes up and says, I do not have a job, the question is what efforts (3rd house)has he/she made to equip himself with the requisite skills , the resources the querist has added to seek the karma and the gain from Karma. Therefore, a simple way to prescribe a remedy is to suggest upgrading the skillsets. Incidentally, we Jyotishis also need to upgrade our skillsets continuously.... and what better a forum than this group! regards rishi --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Great note. I referred a very interesteing note by > Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial > measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why > Sage Parashar did not include them for his remedial > prescription. > > Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our > greater insight into jyotish - but are our remedial > patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per > jyotish objective). We all (including me) do > prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves > too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Although we gain much through our kindness and > charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither > kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. > Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > result but not the purpose. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > > > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word > 10/9 > > > > Sir, > > > > I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the > prediction given to a > > new/little old born childs parents, would be > fatilistic, and all would > > have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but in > case > > when you see a native with impending heart > problems, or Shani sade > > sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach would > turn into a saviour > > for these natives and help and prepare them by way > of > > starting remedial measures, much before the > incident would happen, > > and thus reduce the impact.This is with reference > to astrology. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , Prafulla > Gang <jyotish > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > >> > >> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message > of Bhaskar ji). It > > was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing > could change? - So > > I pondered to that note, if predictions are > fatalistic (will happen > > for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial > measures. > >> > >> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where > he wondered, why > > not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why > only for dharma and > > moksha kona? > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and > charity, if we do > > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor > charity but self- > > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the > wake of a boat, a > > result but not the purpose. > >> > >> ************************************************ > >> > >> > >>> > >>> gbp_kumar > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > >>> > >>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last > word 10/9 > >>> > >>> Prafulla, > >>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is > realistic, western > > astrology uses > >>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective > karma and its > > effect a > >>> collection of them are needed just like how we > have a leader, > > king, don, > >>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., > life so too our > > evil time > >>> we need one who will lead us to collective death > , strife, > > tragedy etc. > >>> the Samohika karmaphala > >>> > >>> I had givne the instance of they young > Shankaracharya here > > sotme back > >>> > >>> in short again here > >>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to > Tirumala hills a > > bus > >>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at > the tail end of the > >>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of > th ebus more on > > the > >>> edge could have taken all down but some how it > got help and was > > pulled > >>> out then there was a astrolgoer who took the > data of all the > > piligrims > >>> in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a > great aura, karma > > that he > >>> will be respectd by the high and the mighty the > coman man alike > > and his > >>> good soul amoungst them did save them all. this > bouy in 4 yrs > > later > >>> became the youngest sankaracharya of the > shankara mutt so far, > > noow > >>> called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger > brothers in the one more > >>> accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has > draged even > > Jayednra > >>> saraswathi in to its web. > >>> > >>> so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil > soul amoung us can > > destroy > >>> us and our karma balances willget adjusted in > some future lives if > >>> anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a > windofor good and > > bad > >>> that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get > closr to 80-85% > > max rest > >>> is god's will.. > >>> > >>> > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji, > >>> > >>> Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic > in nature > > (whether for > >>> mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of > remedial measure? > >>> > >>> Without getting into the might of GOD (No > doubts about it), in > > my view > >>> - astrology can be used in preparing human > being, to meet the > >>> uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong > to call it > > uncertain > >>> !!) future and more importantly, to draw the > karmic patterns, > > so that > >>> native (mind and physical body) can use the > awareness (or say > >>> awakening) towards the ultimate objective of > soul (i.e. mukti > > from the > >>> life/death cycle). > >>> > >>> On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the > relevance of remedial > > issues > >>> for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the > basic purpose of > > jyotish. > >>> > >>> regards / Prafulla > >>> > >>> , > "Bhaskar" > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Prafullaji, A lot in the classics was very explicitly meant for a different period of time. I think, it is for us to cull out that what is shashwat and beyond time in the classics. D9 though ,in my opinion, is perhaps as relevant as D1. For if D1 is rashi oriented then D9 is nakshatra oriented. And secondly, I would not translate Dharma as poojas, bhakti, ritual or prayer only.Dharma for me...is vital, it is my duty, it is my mission. My dharma may be to oppose what is decaying in religion, it is still my dharma and cannot be called adharma. The translation, perhaps, needs to be not so literal. I agree with you that the meanings need to be reappraised. regards rishi --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Rishi ji, > > On a seperate note, D9 (dharma perspective) has > always been given most importance than other D > charts say D 10. and even Deva Keralam connects > native through D9 (in addition to nadiamsa). But in > modern perspective (with different challenges for > rat race), should "assessment parameters" be > redefined ? > > Apart from remedies, jyotish has bigger role in > guiding native for current life (understanably > around - dharma, artha, moksha and karma). The role > becomes more crucial in karmic segment, where native > seldom wants to know the ways to channelise his/her > energies for meeting karmic challenges (including > for karmic controlling planets - i.e. dispositors of > rahu / ketu). Jyotishis, I am sure, will be able > match the pace of modern life. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Although we gain much through our kindness and > charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither > kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. > Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > result but not the purpose. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > rishi_2000in > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT) > > > > RE: Re: Upachaya houses > > > > Prafullaji, > > Another interesting point to be considered is that > > while the 3,6,10,11 are the houses which are > perhaps > > the most malleable with current karmas. > > If a job seeker comes up and says, I do not have a > > job, the question is what efforts (3rd house)has > > he/she made to equip himself with the requisite > skills > > , the resources the querist has added to seek the > > karma and the gain from Karma. > > Therefore, a simple way to prescribe a remedy is > to > > suggest upgrading the skillsets. > > Incidentally, we Jyotishis also need to upgrade > our > > skillsets continuously.... > > and what better a forum than this group! > > regards > > > > rishi > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > > > >> Great note. I referred a very interesteing note > by > >> Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial > >> measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why > >> Sage Parashar did not include them for his > remedial > >> prescription. > >> > >> Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our > >> greater insight into jyotish - but are our > remedial > >> patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per > >> jyotish objective). We all (including me) do > >> prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves > >> too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and > >> charity, if we do these for gain, they are > neither > >> kindness nor charity but self-interest in > disguise. > >> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > >> result but not the purpose. > >> > >> ************************************************ > >> > >> > >>> > >>> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word > >> 10/9 > >>> > >>> Sir, > >>> > >>> I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the > >> prediction given to a > >>> new/little old born childs parents, would be > >> fatilistic, and all would > >>> have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but > in > >> case > >>> when you see a native with impending heart > >> problems, or Shani sade > >>> sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach > would > >> turn into a saviour > >>> for these natives and help and prepare them by > way > >> of > >>> starting remedial measures, much before the > >> incident would happen, > >>> and thus reduce the impact.This is with > reference > >> to astrology. > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> , > Prafulla > >> Gang <jyotish > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > >>>> > >>>> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message > >> of Bhaskar ji). It > >>> was stated that, it was god's desire - so > nothing > >> could change? - So > >>> I pondered to that note, if predictions are > >> fatalistic (will happen > >>> for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial > >> measures. > >>>> > >>>> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, > where > >> he wondered, why > >>> not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why > >> only for dharma and > >>> moksha kona? > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and > >> charity, if we do > >>> these for gain, they are neither kindness nor > >> charity but self- > >>> interest in disguise. Our gains should come as > the > >> wake of a boat, a > >>> result but not the purpose. > >>>> > >>>> > ************************************************ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> gbp_kumar > >>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last > >> word 10/9 > >>>>> > >>>>> Prafulla, > >>>>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is > >> realistic, western > >>> astrology uses > >>>>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective > >> karma and its > >>> effect a > >>>>> collection of them are needed just like how we > >> have a leader, > >>> king, don, > >>>>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., > >> life so too our > >>> evil time > >>>>> we need one who will lead us to collective > death > >> , strife, > >>> tragedy etc. > >>>>> the Samohika karmaphala > >>>>> > >>>>> I had givne the instance of they young > >> Shankaracharya here > >>> sotme back > >>>>> > >>>>> in short again here > >>>>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s > to > >> Tirumala hills a > >>> bus > >>>>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at > >> the tail end of the > >>>>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance > of > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji, Across the religions, people (though idols or otherwise) pray to "elements".. Each religion has its framework and priorities assigned / explained to different elements. Yes, this makes - jyotish application as bit different for various religions / faiths. For example - in Christianity and Islam - marriage is referred as contract between men and women (in Islam - even terminal benefits well defined); whereas in Hindu culture - it is referred as dharma. Even question of rebirth is explained differently in different belief systems - setting the jyotish perspective upside down. On another note - Once an astrologer explained me that - Prohphet Mohammed made people follow Ramadan month, (fasting balancing the shani/ketu), which in turn over the years, helped middle east to become big oil zone. Likewise, in Jainism too - the houses where female members pursue Jain fastings, have became more prosperous compared to others. Some sort of pacifying shani/ketu has resulted into some of the effects (of course read with other factors too). My statements look absurd, but my discussions with few Jain saints also revealed the effect of such difficult fasting on shani / ketu - where ketu starts working as catalyst (enroute to detatchment) and griefs are subsided. So blanket prescription of remedial measures becomes little short sighted approach. regards / Prafulla Gang It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations. ************************************************ > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:39:13 -0000 > > Re: Upachaya houses <2 cents> > > Dear Prafulla and Rishi, > > You both raise very important points and ask difficult questions. > It is not just about different times, but also different cultures and > religions to which we are applying ancient jyotish principles and > interpretations, which were created within a 'homogenous' religio- > cultural framework! > > Messages have been posted here and elsewhere by those who have > experienced contact with different cultures etc that the same > intrinsic principle underlying a 'prescribed' deity may be something > to be considered. We often talk of faith and belief in the framework > of remedies and worship. Perhaps not everyone is at the level where > they worship a concept or essence but a concrete image, a concrete > mental object, even though they think they are worshipping an icon- > less, an idol-free religion! > > If one accepts the reality of there being an icon, an idol in another > person's religious framework, one has only two choices: > > Stop considering that person as a fellow human or even a human being! > > Accept him or her and as soon as you do that, your primary belief > becomes a turbulent lake, or at least perturbed waters. Absolutely > tranquil, calm and homogeneous waters do not have waves, movements, > and questions that show up as bubbles! > > Just musing ... > > , rishi shukla > <rishi_2000in wrote: >> >> Prafullaji, >> A lot in the classics was very explicitly meant for a >> different period of time. I think, it is for us to >> cull out that what is shashwat and beyond time in the >> classics. >> D9 though ,in my opinion, is perhaps as relevant as >> D1. For if D1 is rashi oriented then D9 is nakshatra >> oriented. And secondly, I would not translate Dharma >> as poojas, bhakti, ritual or prayer only.Dharma for >> me...is vital, it is my duty, it is my mission. My >> dharma may be to oppose what is decaying in religion, >> it is still my dharma and cannot be called adharma. >> The translation, perhaps, needs to be not so literal. >> >> I agree with you that the meanings need to be >> reappraised. >> >> regards >> >> rishi >> --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: >> >>> Dear Rishi ji, >>> >>> On a seperate note, D9 (dharma perspective) has >>> always been given most importance than other D >>> charts say D 10. and even Deva Keralam connects >>> native through D9 (in addition to nadiamsa). But in >>> modern perspective (with different challenges for >>> rat race), should "assessment parameters" be >>> redefined ? >>> >>> Apart from remedies, jyotish has bigger role in >>> guiding native for current life (understanably >>> around - dharma, artha, moksha and karma). The role >>> becomes more crucial in karmic segment, where native >>> seldom wants to know the ways to channelise his/her >>> energies for meeting karmic challenges (including >>> for karmic controlling planets - i.e. dispositors of >>> rahu / ketu). Jyotishis, I am sure, will be able >>> match the pace of modern life. >>> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>> >>> Although we gain much through our kindness and >>> charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither >>> kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. >>> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a >>> result but not the purpose. >>> >>> ************************************************ >>> >>> >>>> >>>> rishi_2000in >>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT) >>>> >>>> RE: Re: Upachaya houses >>>> >>>> Prafullaji, >>>> Another interesting point to be considered is that >>>> while the 3,6,10,11 are the houses which are >>> perhaps >>>> the most malleable with current karmas. >>>> If a job seeker comes up and says, I do not have a >>>> job, the question is what efforts (3rd house)has >>>> he/she made to equip himself with the requisite >>> skills >>>> , the resources the querist has added to seek the >>>> karma and the gain from Karma. >>>> Therefore, a simple way to prescribe a remedy is >>> to >>>> suggest upgrading the skillsets. >>>> Incidentally, we Jyotishis also need to upgrade >>> our >>>> skillsets continuously.... >>>> and what better a forum than this group! >>>> regards >>>> >>>> rishi >>>> >>>> >>>> --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: >>>> >>>>> Great note. I referred a very interesteing note >>> by >>>>> Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial >>>>> measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why >>>>> Sage Parashar did not include them for his >>> remedial >>>>> prescription. >>>>> >>>>> Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our >>>>> greater insight into jyotish - but are our >>> remedial >>>>> patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per >>>>> jyotish objective). We all (including me) do >>>>> prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves >>>>> too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. >>>>> >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>> >>>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and >>>>> charity, if we do these for gain, they are >>> neither >>>>> kindness nor charity but self-interest in >>> disguise. >>>>> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a >>>>> result but not the purpose. >>>>> >>>>> ************************************************ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish >>>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 >>>>>> >>>>>> Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word >>>>> 10/9 >>>>>> >>>>>> Sir, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the >>>>> prediction given to a >>>>>> new/little old born childs parents, would be >>>>> fatilistic, and all would >>>>>> have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but >>> in >>>>> case >>>>>> when you see a native with impending heart >>>>> problems, or Shani sade >>>>>> sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach >>> would >>>>> turn into a saviour >>>>>> for these natives and help and prepare them by >>> way >>>>> of >>>>>> starting remedial measures, much before the >>>>> incident would happen, >>>>>> and thus reduce the impact.This is with >>> reference >>>>> to astrology. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>> >>>>>> , >>> Prafulla >>>>> Gang <jyotish@> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message >>>>> of Bhaskar ji). It >>>>>> was stated that, it was god's desire - so >>> nothing >>>>> could change? - So >>>>>> I pondered to that note, if predictions are >>>>> fatalistic (will happen >>>>>> for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial >>>>> measures. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, >>> where >>>>> he wondered, why >>>>>> not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why >>>>> only for dharma and >>>>>> moksha kona? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and >>>>> charity, if we do >>>>>> these for gain, they are neither kindness nor >>>>> charity but self- >>>>>> interest in disguise. Our gains should come as >>> the >>>>> wake of a boat, a >>>>>> result but not the purpose. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> ************************************************ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last >>>>> word 10/9 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prafulla, >>>>>>>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is >>>>> realistic, western >>>>>> astrology uses >>>>>>>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective >>>>> karma and its >>>>>> effect a >>>>>>>> collection of them are needed just like how we >>>>> have a leader, >>>>>> king, don, >>>>>>>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., >>>>> life so too our >>>>>> evil time >>>>>>>> we need one who will lead us to collective >>> death >>>>> , strife, >>>>>> tragedy etc. >>>>>>>> the Samohika karmaphala >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had givne the instance of they young >>>>> Shankaracharya here >>>>>> sotme back >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in short again here >>>>>>>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s >>> to >>>>> Tirumala hills a >>>>>> bus >>>>>>>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at >>>>> the tail end of the >>>>>>>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance >>> of >>> >> === message truncated === >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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