Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Sir, I am still not sure. If it is meant that why are remedies specifically not mentioned for growth of these houses ,then- my comments- I or anyone would not go for growth of 6th house, because that would also increase my ill health and enemies. If we give growth to the third house then one tends to loose his wealth too in the process ,if not loose then reduces it. 10th again I may not try to increase voluntarily as my Bhagya would be affected.,along with hindrances in promotions or achievements. as for 11th I personally would not mind it making it grow more strong ,whether the Lord of 11th be a enemy too to the ascendant Lord, I would not bother depending on the conditions and times one is placed in. Because in the world you are first answerable to the family where one is born i, next come neighbours, relatives, amd society and nation. My family would not be very happy in me being very good if my goodness is not able to produce the income desired per month. Therefroe the 11th house I believe should be targetted for growth if one is not wealthy in terms of money. Those were personal views. I am not sure whether what You meant was related to this or not., but something comes out of any effort, does not matter. regards, Bhaskar. , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > Actually the issue is not remedies for 3,6,10, 11 houses but > remedies revolving around these upachaya houses. > For, these are the houses which are more malleable compared to the > other houses. But rarely are remedies suggested involving the growth > houses. > regards > > rishi > > > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > about 3,6,10 and 11 I did not understand actually what remedial > > measures need to be mentioned. 11th itself is a remedy for bad > health. > > So is the 5th house considering the 6th for disease. 11th is a > very > > good house for the Lagna Lord to be placed in (Health and wealth > both > > plus succes plus daughters marriage), 6th is a good house to > receive > > payments from business customers, also for Bank Loans. > > Three is not bad except for studies, domestic happiness or > > vehicles. 10th is good for new professions, to become famous > > personality etc. > > actually all are good.I dont see any of them as bad houses, > neither > > 6,8 or 12 too I see as bad if taken as a birds eyeview. > > (Except when I see my own horoscope my views would be different > > naturally). Goo cannot co-exist without bad. > > How will a person know the meaning of good if he has not seen bad, > or > > meaning of light if he has not seen darkness . > > Remedial measures by Parashar maharaj are meant in entirety if we > > read the passages for every Mahadsha and antar dasha, we will find > > him giving results for placement of the Mahadash and antar lord > vis a > > visa to each other in various houses and also their effects good > or > > bad are definitely mentioned. > > At the end of these passages he has given the remedies (In 4 > > shlokas, the last shloka containing the remedial measure), > > so when he mentiones - to reduce the ill effects of this antar do > > this or that, he has already taken the effects of placement of > > planets in 3,6,10 and 11. > > The Rishis of yore will never leave anything for us to search for > > in air, at the same time neither truths would be blatantly > revealed, > > to fall in any persons hands where it would not be intended to. > > > > regards, > > bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Great note. I referred a very interesteing note by Dear Rishi on > > another thread, around the remedial measures for 3/6/10/11. I am > > still pondering, why Sage Parashar did not include them for his > > remedial prescription. > > > > > > Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our greater > insight > > into jyotish - but are our remedial patterns in line with sage > > parashar (or say per jyotish objective). We all (including me) do > > prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves too) - but > Rishi's > > question is still unanswered. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do > > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- > > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, > a > > result but not the purpose. > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the prediction > given > > to a > > > > new/little old born childs parents, would be fatilistic, and > all > > would > > > > have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but in case > > > > when you see a native with impending heart problems, or Shani > sade > > > > sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach would turn into a > > saviour > > > > for these natives and help and prepare them by way of > > > > starting remedial measures, much before the incident would > happen, > > > > and thus reduce the impact.This is with reference to astrology. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > > >> > > > >> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of Bhaskar > ji). > > It > > > > was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could > change? - > > So > > > > I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic (will > > happen > > > > for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. > > > >> > > > >> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he wondered, > why > > > > not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for dharma > and > > > > moksha kona? > > > >> > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >> > > > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we > do > > > > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- > > > > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a > > boat, a > > > > result but not the purpose. > > > >> > > > >> ************************************************ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> gbp_kumar@ > > > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > >>> > > > >>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > > >>> > > > >>> Prafulla, > > > >>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western > > > > astrology uses > > > >>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and its > > > > effect a > > > >>> collection of them are needed just like how we have a leader, > > > > king, don, > > > >>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too our > > > > evil time > > > >>> we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, > > > > tragedy etc. > > > >>> the Samohika karmaphala > > > >>> > > > >>> I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya here > > > > sotme back > > > >>> > > > >>> in short again here > > > >>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala > hills a > > > > bus > > > >>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail end > of > > the > > > >>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus > more on > > > > the > > > >>> edge could have taken all down but some how it got help and > was > > > > pulled > > > >>> out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all the > > > > piligrims > > > >>> in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, karma > > > > that he > > > >>> will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man > alike > > > > and his > > > >>> good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 yrs > > > > later > > > >>> became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so > far, > > > > noow > > > >>> called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the one > > more > > > >>> accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged even > > > > Jayednra > > > >>> saraswathi in to its web. > > > >>> > > > >>> so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung us > can > > > > destroy > > > >>> us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future > lives > > if > > > >>> anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor > good > > and > > > > bad > > > >>> that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to 80- > 85% > > > > max rest > > > >>> is god's will.. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > >>> > > > >>> Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature > > > > (whether for > > > >>> mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial > > measure? > > > >>> > > > >>> Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about > it), in > > > > my view > > > >>> - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet > the > > > >>> uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it > > > > uncertain > > > >>> !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic > patterns, > > > > so that > > > >>> native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or > say > > > >>> awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. > mukti > > > > from the > > > >>> life/death cycle). > > > >>> > > > >>> On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of > remedial > > > > issues > > > >>> for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic > purpose of > > > > jyotish. > > > >>> > > > >>> regards / Prafulla > > > >>> > > > >>> , "Bhaskar" > > > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Shri Jagdishji, > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > > >>> > like to answer it., in short. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever > way > > he > > > > may > > > >>> try. > > > >>> > If God decides that so much of weight has to be > cleared > > > > from > > > >>> > earth, he would not allow any human being to get > > > > foreknowledge of > > > >>> > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from > > God, > > > > I mean > > > >>> > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. > Just > > > > like > > > >>> > a big server has control over thousands of computers and > > > > lakhs of > > > >>> > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and > > > > nothing is > > > >>> > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is > unaccessible > > > > from Him. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to > > > > mouth our > > > >>> > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about > that. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > regards, > > > >>> > Bhaskar. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > , Prathamesn > Chawan > > > >>> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Dear Ji > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Greetings > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and > > earthquake > > > > before > > > >>> > hand through astrologers. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > 1) Prediction went right > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > In this case many people can save their lives by > acting > > > > before > > > >>> > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to > > kill > > > > many > > > >>> > people by these natural disasters ? > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose > > their > > > > faith > > > >>> > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided- > sword. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Any comments ? > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Jagdish > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > >>> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > >>> > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > >>> > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's > > lunar > > > >>> > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami (as > > > > after the > > > >>> > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > >>> > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the > > > > measurement in r- > > > >>> > > scale is only 4.... > > > >>> > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of > my > > > > friends, > > > >>> > > who trust me.... > > > >>> > > Regards, > > > >>> > > Gaurav > > > >>> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > , "Bhaskar" > > > >>> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > Namaste. > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning > > > > newspapers. > > > >>> > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how > he > > > >>> > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one > > > > line. > > > >>> > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > >>> > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is > allowed > > > >>> > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in > relation to > > > > Earth), > > > >>> > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot > equate > > > > him with > > > >>> > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments > for > > > >>> > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is > different > > > >>> > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the > > > > housewives > > > >>> hand > > > >>> > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in > another > > > > way. > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as > > > > Ganeshji > > > >>> > taking > > > >>> > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems > > > > have been > > > >>> > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, > or > > by > > > >>> > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from > foreign > > > >>> > countries, > > > >>> > > or > > > >>> > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in > this > > > > manner. > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > regards, > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > Bhaskar. > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > regards, > > > >>> > > > Bhaskar. > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > , Prashant > Kumar > > G > > > > B > > > >>> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Readers, > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > >>> > > Venketramani > > > >>> > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical > factors > > > > has 70% > > > >>> > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and > another > > > > the > > > >>> > > last 2 > > > >>> > > > strong leftists. > > > >>> > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk > > > > astrology > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > > > > predictions > > > >>> > > lack > > > >>> > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams > > > > predicitons on > > > >>> > > may > > > >>> > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited > > > > collection. > > > >>> > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > >>> > > inprediciting > > > >>> > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's > in > > 71 > > > > when > > > >>> > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a > bumper > > > >>> majority. > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani > about > > > > the > > > >>> > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak > on > > > > 7th he > > > >>> > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major > > > > terrorist > > > >>> > > attack > > > >>> > > > will happen near a religious place > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in > assak > > > >>> > > location > > > >>> > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 > day > > > > error > > > >>> > > was > > > >>> > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend > > millions > > > >>> > > inshifting > > > >>> > > > people > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they > > happen > > > > to the > > > >>> > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as > > precautonary > > > > too. > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast > to > > > > happen > > > >>> > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth > quake > > r > > > > there > > > >>> > > > astrologically. > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time > for > > > >>> > > astologers > > > >>> > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there > anyway. > > esp > > > > the > > > >>> > > left > > > >>> > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > group but > > > >>> > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > > > > mail or > > > >>> > > phone. > > > >>> > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay > Pal > > ID > > > > also > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > >>> > > > > 09840051861 > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Bhaskarji, Let us go the other way around, can we change our bhagya or the results of our past karmas which are reflected by 9 th house. Excepting the rarest soul, ordinary mortals find it difficult to change their past. One has to pay the price for Karma done, good or bad. On the other hand, can we change our current karmas, partly reflected by 10 th house? I think, we can change our current karma to some extent, therefore, 10 th house is more malleable than 9th house. It is said, that these upachaya houses , loosely translated as "growth" houses are the houses which can be changed more easily than the other 8 houses. It is not a question of strengthening these houses only. It is the effective use of these houses in remedial actions. Do we pay attention to it or not. These houses in themselves you have described in your successive mails. They can be treated as useful houses or houses which can be detrimental too! The 11 th can be gains as well as the 6th from 6th too. According to some, the most difficult house being the 6th from 6th. Perhaps, when someone asks of when the career prospects will improve, he/she can be suggested to upgrade his/her skill sets in fields appropriate in the concerned chart in addition to the prescription of a mantra , a gem and a puja. Illustratively,We had sometime back on this forum , a remedies list of what to do when the Moon is afflicted. I would suggest in addition to all the upayas, if the person serves (6th house) his/her own mother in terms of love, affection, respect and time, then the efficacy of the remedy for moon affliction can increase. He/she can also spend time/ serve other old ladies who are equivalent to mother... the list, Bhaskarji, can go on. In this forum, one rarely sees remedies which are karmik in nature. regards rishi , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > > I am still not sure. If it is meant that why are remedies > specifically not mentioned for growth of these houses ,then- > my comments- > > I or anyone would not go for growth of 6th house, because that would > also increase my ill health and enemies. > If we give growth to the third house then one tends to loose his > wealth too in the process ,if not loose then reduces it. > 10th again I may not try to increase voluntarily as my Bhagya would > be affected.,along with hindrances in promotions or achievements. > as for 11th I personally would not mind it making it grow more > strong ,whether the Lord of 11th be a enemy too to the ascendant Lord, > I would not bother depending on the conditions and times one is > placed in. Because in the world you are first answerable to the > family where one is born i, next come neighbours, relatives, amd > society and nation. My family would not be very happy in me being > very good if my goodness is not able to produce the income desired > per month. Therefroe the 11th house I believe should > be targetted for growth if one is not wealthy in terms of money. > > Those were personal views. I am not sure whether what You meant was > related to this or not., but something comes out of any effort, does > not matter. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji, > > Actually the issue is not remedies for 3,6,10, 11 houses but > > remedies revolving around these upachaya houses. > > For, these are the houses which are more malleable compared to the > > other houses. But rarely are remedies suggested involving the > growth > > houses. > > regards > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > about 3,6,10 and 11 I did not understand actually what remedial > > > measures need to be mentioned. 11th itself is a remedy for bad > > health. > > > So is the 5th house considering the 6th for disease. 11th is a > > very > > > good house for the Lagna Lord to be placed in (Health and wealth > > both > > > plus succes plus daughters marriage), 6th is a good house to > > receive > > > payments from business customers, also for Bank Loans. > > > Three is not bad except for studies, domestic happiness or > > > vehicles. 10th is good for new professions, to become famous > > > personality etc. > > > actually all are good.I dont see any of them as bad houses, > > neither > > > 6,8 or 12 too I see as bad if taken as a birds eyeview. > > > (Except when I see my own horoscope my views would be different > > > naturally). Goo cannot co-exist without bad. > > > How will a person know the meaning of good if he has not seen > bad, > > or > > > meaning of light if he has not seen darkness . > > > Remedial measures by Parashar maharaj are meant in entirety if we > > > read the passages for every Mahadsha and antar dasha, we will > find > > > him giving results for placement of the Mahadash and antar lord > > vis a > > > visa to each other in various houses and also their effects good > > or > > > bad are definitely mentioned. > > > At the end of these passages he has given the remedies (In 4 > > > shlokas, the last shloka containing the remedial measure), > > > so when he mentiones - to reduce the ill effects of this antar do > > > this or that, he has already taken the effects of placement of > > > planets in 3,6,10 and 11. > > > The Rishis of yore will never leave anything for us to search for > > > in air, at the same time neither truths would be blatantly > > revealed, > > > to fall in any persons hands where it would not be intended to. > > > > > > regards, > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Great note. I referred a very interesteing note by Dear Rishi > on > > > another thread, around the remedial measures for 3/6/10/11. I am > > > still pondering, why Sage Parashar did not include them for his > > > remedial prescription. > > > > > > > > Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our greater > > insight > > > into jyotish - but are our remedial patterns in line with sage > > > parashar (or say per jyotish objective). We all (including me) do > > > prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves too) - but > > Rishi's > > > question is still unanswered. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we > do > > > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- > > > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a > boat, > > a > > > result but not the purpose. > > > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the prediction > > given > > > to a > > > > > new/little old born childs parents, would be fatilistic, and > > all > > > would > > > > > have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but in case > > > > > when you see a native with impending heart problems, or Shani > > sade > > > > > sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach would turn into a > > > saviour > > > > > for these natives and help and prepare them by way of > > > > > starting remedial measures, much before the incident would > > happen, > > > > > and thus reduce the impact.This is with reference to > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > > > >> > > > > >> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of Bhaskar > > ji). > > > It > > > > > was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could > > change? - > > > So > > > > > I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic (will > > > happen > > > > > for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. > > > > >> > > > > >> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he > wondered, > > why > > > > > not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for > dharma > > and > > > > > moksha kona? > > > > >> > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > >> > > > > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if > we > > do > > > > > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but > self- > > > > > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a > > > boat, a > > > > > result but not the purpose. > > > > >> > > > > >> ************************************************ > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> gbp_kumar@ > > > > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Prafulla, > > > > >>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western > > > > > astrology uses > > > > >>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and its > > > > > effect a > > > > >>> collection of them are needed just like how we have a > leader, > > > > > king, don, > > > > >>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too our > > > > > evil time > > > > >>> we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, > > > > > tragedy etc. > > > > >>> the Samohika karmaphala > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya here > > > > > sotme back > > > > >>> > > > > >>> in short again here > > > > >>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala > > hills a > > > > > bus > > > > >>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail end > > of > > > the > > > > >>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus > > more on > > > > > the > > > > >>> edge could have taken all down but some how it got help and > > was > > > > > pulled > > > > >>> out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all the > > > > > piligrims > > > > >>> in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, > karma > > > > > that he > > > > >>> will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man > > alike > > > > > and his > > > > >>> good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 > yrs > > > > > later > > > > >>> became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so > > far, > > > > > noow > > > > >>> called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the > one > > > more > > > > >>> accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged even > > > > > Jayednra > > > > >>> saraswathi in to its web. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung > us > > can > > > > > destroy > > > > >>> us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future > > lives > > > if > > > > >>> anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor > > good > > > and > > > > > bad > > > > >>> that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to 80- > > 85% > > > > > max rest > > > > >>> is god's will.. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature > > > > > (whether for > > > > >>> mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial > > > measure? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about > > it), in > > > > > my view > > > > >>> - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet > > the > > > > >>> uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it > > > > > uncertain > > > > >>> !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic > > patterns, > > > > > so that > > > > >>> native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or > > say > > > > >>> awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. > > mukti > > > > > from the > > > > >>> life/death cycle). > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of > > remedial > > > > > issues > > > > >>> for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic > > purpose of > > > > > jyotish. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla > > > > >>> > > > > >>> , "Bhaskar" > > > > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > > > >>> > like to answer it., in short. > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever > > way > > > he > > > > > may > > > > >>> try. > > > > >>> > If God decides that so much of weight has to be > > cleared > > > > > from > > > > >>> > earth, he would not allow any human being to get > > > > > foreknowledge of > > > > >>> > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate > from > > > God, > > > > > I mean > > > > >>> > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. > > Just > > > > > like > > > > >>> > a big server has control over thousands of computers and > > > > > lakhs of > > > > >>> > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and > > > > > nothing is > > > > >>> > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is > > unaccessible > > > > > from Him. > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to > > > > > mouth our > > > > >>> > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about > > that. > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > regards, > > > > >>> > Bhaskar. > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > , Prathamesn > > Chawan > > > > >>> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Ji > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > Greetings > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and > > > earthquake > > > > > before > > > > >>> > hand through astrologers. > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > In this case many people can save their lives by > > acting > > > > > before > > > > >>> > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish > to > > > kill > > > > > many > > > > >>> > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose > > > their > > > > > faith > > > > >>> > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for > them. > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided- > > sword. > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > Any comments ? > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > Jagdish > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > > >>> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > >>> > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was > reading > > > > >>> > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after > september's > > > lunar > > > > >>> > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami > (as > > > > > after the > > > > >>> > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > > >>> > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the > > > > > measurement in r- > > > > >>> > > scale is only 4.... > > > > >>> > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few > of > > my > > > > > friends, > > > > >>> > > who trust me.... > > > > >>> > > Regards, > > > > >>> > > Gaurav > > > > >>> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > >>> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Namaste. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning > > > > > newspapers. > > > > >>> > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention > how > > he > > > > >>> > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in > one > > > > > line. > > > > >>> > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > >>> > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is > > allowed > > > > >>> > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in > > relation to > > > > > Earth), > > > > >>> > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot > > equate > > > > > him with > > > > >>> > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments > > for > > > > >>> > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is > > different > > > > >>> > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the > > > > > housewives > > > > >>> hand > > > > >>> > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in > > another > > > > > way. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as > > > > > Ganeshji > > > > >>> > taking > > > > >>> > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it > seems > > > > > have been > > > > >>> > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, > > or > > > by > > > > >>> > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from > > foreign > > > > >>> > countries, > > > > >>> > > or > > > > >>> > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in > > this > > > > > manner. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > regards, > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Bhaskar. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > regards, > > > > >>> > > > Bhaskar. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > , Prashant > > Kumar > > > G > > > > > B > > > > >>> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > > >>> > > Venketramani > > > > >>> > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical > > factors > > > > > has 70% > > > > >>> > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and > > another > > > > > the > > > > >>> > > last 2 > > > > >>> > > > strong leftists. > > > > >>> > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk > > > > > astrology > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > > > > > predictions > > > > >>> > > lack > > > > >>> > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams > > > > > predicitons on > > > > >>> > > may > > > > >>> > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited > > > > > collection. > > > > >>> > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > > >>> > > inprediciting > > > > >>> > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's > > in > > > 71 > > > > > when > > > > >>> > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a > > bumper > > > > >>> majority. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani > > about > > > > > the > > > > >>> > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj > tak > > on > > > > > 7th he > > > > >>> > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major > > > > > terrorist > > > > >>> > > attack > > > > >>> > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in > > assak > > > > >>> > > location > > > > >>> > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and > 3 > > day > > > > > error > > > > >>> > > was > > > > >>> > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend > > > millions > > > > >>> > > inshifting > > > > >>> > > > people > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they > > > happen > > > > > to the > > > > >>> > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as > > > precautonary > > > > > too. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast > > to > > > > > happen > > > > >>> > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth > > quake > > > r > > > > > there > > > > >>> > > > astrologically. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time > > for > > > > >>> > > astologers > > > > >>> > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there > > anyway. > > > esp > > > > > the > > > > >>> > > left > > > > >>> > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > group but > > > > >>> > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by > chat, > > > > > mail or > > > > >>> > > phone. > > > > >>> > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay > > Pal > > > ID > > > > > also > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > >>> > > > > 09840051861 > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Ha ha!! Perhaps people of that age were evolved for all three tier test and its "meaning". But clue is that - Socrats could never know, that his friend was sleeping with his wife. Jokes apart in ligher vein, Socrats had higher vision and objective of his life compared to others; and so is of great saints referred in the thread. They are not bothered by ordinary events / facet - i.e. "maya". It is the job of historians and other idle people to write jokes / criticising notes. We need to filter relevant elements or inspiring notes from such big torches, not the mechanics of torch. regards / Prafulla Gang Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not the purpose. ************************************************** > > gbp_kumar > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:01:08 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Last word- Socrates 11/9 > > Prafulla, > I was around then I wud have asked Socrates more questions.... > as u > > point/filter 1 HOW DO U define truth > point 2 HOD do u define good/bad depends on where one stands. > point 3 is without even attempting on the 1st 2 u cant judge usefulness > > TRUTH IS WHAT is sat-chit-ananda or Satchinanda swurapa where what is > said is true and not bitter [truth is btter but all bitter things is not > truth] > > quoting a incident, event to embarasss some one as truth say like i may > saiy in anger I want to kill x, y z and if I was anywhere near the that > person dying and still if I am not connected but there can be many to > saty I said so, WHICH IS TRUE ISNT IT? but how good is the merrit of > such a link .? > or use too some real killer may go away scot free. > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Shri Kumar ji, > > We all human beings live on perceptions and perception may not be > reality. Any opinion for/against anyone does not matter in broader > terms. How is anyone affected by criticism ..do you think Saibaba / SS > Ravi / Shrankacharya are bothered by our praise or criticism. Or for > that matter - by any one ? No..just like socrates was not interested . A > small story - with multiple tangents (from the perception one is reading > it) - a little humur (please do not corelate this with shrankacharya / > Saibaba or any person in the thread) > > **quote** > In ancient Greece, Socrates was reputed to hold knowledge in high > esteem. One day an acquaintance came upon the great philosopher and > said, "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about your friend?" > > "Hold on a minute," Socrates replied. "Before telling me anything > I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter > Test." > > "Triple filter test?" > > "That's right," Socrates continued. "Before you talk to me about my > friend, let's take a moment and filter what you're going to say. The > first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are > about to tell me is true?" > > "No," the man said, "actually I just heard about it and..." > > "All right," said Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or > not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what > you are about to tell me about my friend something good?" > > "No, on the contrary..." > > "So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him, > and you're not certain it's true. You may still pass the test though, > because there's one filter left: the filter of Usefulness. > Is what you want to tell me about my friend going to be useful to > me?" > > "No, not really." > > "Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither > true nor good nor even useful, why tell it to me at all?" > > This meyhod of thought is why Socrates is considered one of the > greatest philosophers ever documented. and held in such high esteem. > > It also explains why he never found out his best friend was screwing > his wife. > > ** end quote ** > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these > for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self-interest in > disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not > the purpose. > > ************************************************** > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:19:54 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 > > > > Rev Father Arjjun, > > > > Which church do u belong to. > > > > I am sorry for so saying as some god men r there who exploited the > > gullible. > > the 3 who we can discount from them are Satya sai Baba and Mata > > Amrutanandamayi, Ravi shankar all truly secular too have done > > philanthropic work than anyone of the missionaries who are plush with > > money. > > > > AND WHY MUST GOD MEN save, save lives? in calamities how can they > over > > rule nature or gods will. > > if they failed to provide relief, comfort we can surely complain, > > > > satya sai Baba free for all state-of-the-art super specialty > hospital > > a with best care in the world all free just enter the registration > area > > at 7 am and rest u r taken care off til then end FREE, no fear or > favor > > works, all serve there a s god itself, the only problem is that they > > care for the living not the dying. that is bread winners of the > family > > 15-65 if there is time do care for others too, diagnosis for all is > > done treatment only 1st for above group. > > > > not a word is ever said By anyone and worse even cherish one alive > who > > came here and set up a missionary by splitting for the main one did > they > > don't do good work then and what did mission do to gives its founder > a > > Nobel prize just catered for 40,000 people dying on the foot path, > > 29000/40000 died in days rest within a week.ha must not forget > baptized > > before that mostly poor Muslims for Bangladesh. > > > > My point is more that there are good men bad men all over so lets > not > > bruish them in one stroke, one color either. > > > > we must see if the ones ulisted are doign any good work, whatever > if > > they get 1 crore let them spend at least 75 laks and enjoy 25 laks of > > comfort, which politicinas will use 99laks in such cases.. > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: > > dear friends > > > > this subject of predicting natural calamities with success keep > > coming off and on and a thread follows for few days. > > > > here is what i observed based on facts: > > > > in the last five years, all astrologers and panchangakartas, in > > thier zeal to find their place in the list of most successful > > predictions, have started listing the following incidents for the > > CHART OF THE COUNTRY I.E. INDIA: > > > > 1. heavy rains and floods cause damage to fields and property. > > 2. some parts witness drought and famine. > > 3. a national leader of repute passes away. > > 4. the country progresses further in the technology (IT) field. > > 5. more terrorist attacks happen in various parts of the country. > > 6. new viral (air borne) diseases are expected to come from foreign > > lands. > > 7. india gets greater achiements in the sports arena. > > 8. a leading film personality passes away. > > 9. financial scams of large magnitude will be detected. > > 10. a top politician will be indicted for corruption. > > > > as is simple common sense without any role of astrology, all the > > above ten MACRO predictions keep happening in every country every > > year. > > > > some astrolgoers intelligent enough to go to micro level by > > suggesting direction based predictions but whenever an incident > > happens, they boast themselves by stating that since the origin of > > the particular calamity is from this side, my prediction of a > > calamity happening on the particular side predicted is true. > > > > forget about astrologers, there are so many godmen in this country > > at whose feet the top most ministers fall including the president > > and prime minister e.g. kalki bhagwan, amma, saibaba, > > shankaracharya, sriravishankar and many more. ALL THESE GODMEN > WHO > > ARE TREATED AS GODS OR KALKI AVATARS BY THEIR RESPECTIVE FOLLOWERS > > HAVE NEVER PREDICTED AND AVERTED ANY NATURAL CALAMITY. ALL THESE > > GODMEN WERE SUCCESSFUL ONLY IN COLLECTING DONATIONS AFTER THE > > CALAMITY AND VISIT THE DESTRUCTION PLACES AND DISTRIBUTE FOOD AND > > CLOTHES AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEOS AND FURTHER USE THEM FOR > > SELF PUBLICITY ACROSS THE GLOBE ONLY TO ATTRACT FURTHER DONATIONS. > > > > so my submission is that if godmen who are treatd as the kalki > > avatar of the god have failed in predicting a natural calamity, how > > can an ordinary astrologer predict. > > > > please correct me if any of you have found any godmen of these > years > > predicting an incident beforehand. > > > > in andhra pradesh, there used to live a saint called potuluri > > veerabrahmam who was from a low caste and illiterate but he got > > brahma jnan and predicted 1001 incidents that will happen in andhra > > and all of them are happening. of course, like nostradamus he too > > did not give any dates. > > > > we are yet to see any godman, clairvoyant or an astrolgoer > > predicting future incidents in advance for the country, > specifically > > natural calamities. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may > > try. > > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of > > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I > > mean > > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing > > is > > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from > > Him. > > > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth > our > > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake > > before > > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting > before > > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill > many > > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their > > faith > > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after > > the > > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in > > r- > > > > scale is only 4.... > > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my > > friends, > > > > who trust me.... > > > > Regards, > > > > Gaurav > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to > > Earth), > > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him > with > > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives > > hand > > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > > > taking > > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have > > been > > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > > countries, > > > > or > > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this > manner. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > > Venketramani > > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has > > 70% > > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > > > last 2 > > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > > > > lack > > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons > > on > > > > may > > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > > inprediciting > > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 > when > > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > > majority. > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th > he > > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > > > attack > > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > > > location > > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day > error > > > > was > > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > > > inshifting > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to > > the > > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r > > there > > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > > astologers > > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > > > > left > > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > > > group but > > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > > > phone. > > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID > also > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Shri Rishiji, That was one of the best constructive posts today on the Forum. Absolutely right- Its not easy for normal mortals to change their Bhagya. But they can interfere for ex.if they get a good wife, by unnecessary being mean with her for no fault of hers which would again be a new karma. Career prospects can be improved - very right Sir, by suggesting a suitable line of activity confirmiing with what the chart demands in the individual case and dasha supporting, for ex.since last two days I had been trying to contact my Uncle in Vijaywada who was anxious for his finances, what to do. I wanted to suggest him as per his 4th Dasha Lord running as Mahadasha and antar venus in 4th too, that please go for purchasing of vehicles connected to construction activity and transportation, and last night I received a call at midnight at 12.30 and he said after hearing me that he is already getting a tender cleared for 3 Crores rupees for trasportation of cement etc. and land crushers too required for a project near Hyderabad. Now all natives are not so lucky to know what line they should be persuing when. Then the 10th house matters do help us in deciding., as you rightly said. Also like Moon you suggested serving mother, so as for Mars serving own brothers too would help and so for The Sun, being dutiful and respectful towards the elders in the family alongwith other remedies will certainly help a lot in clearing the rinabundhans in those sectors. Yes I agree too, perfectly that remedies suggested should fall in karmic line of pattern, to the native. That was once again a very beautiful and knowledgable post from you. regards, Bhaskar. , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > Let us go the other way around, can we change our bhagya or the > results of our past karmas which are reflected by 9 th house. > Excepting the rarest soul, ordinary mortals find it difficult to > change their past. One has to pay the price for Karma done, good or > bad. > On the other hand, can we change our current karmas, partly > reflected by 10 th house? > I think, we can change our current karma to some extent, therefore, > 10 th house is more malleable than 9th house. > It is said, that these upachaya houses , loosely translated > as "growth" houses are the houses which can be changed more easily > than the other 8 houses. > It is not a question of strengthening these houses only. It is the > effective use of these houses in remedial actions. Do we pay > attention to it or not. > These houses in themselves you have described in your successive > mails. They can be treated as useful houses or houses which can be > detrimental too! > The 11 th can be gains as well as the 6th from 6th too. According to > some, the most difficult house being the 6th from 6th. > Perhaps, when someone asks of when the career prospects will > improve, he/she can be suggested to upgrade his/her skill sets in > fields appropriate in the concerned chart in addition to the > prescription of a mantra , a gem and a puja. > Illustratively,We had sometime back on this forum , a remedies list > of what to do when the Moon is afflicted. I would suggest in > addition to all the upayas, if the person serves (6th house) his/her > own mother in terms of love, affection, respect and time, then the > efficacy of the remedy for moon affliction can increase. He/she can > also spend time/ serve other old ladies who are equivalent to > mother... > the list, Bhaskarji, can go on. > In this forum, one rarely sees remedies which are karmik in nature. > regards > > rishi > > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > I am still not sure. If it is meant that why are remedies > > specifically not mentioned for growth of these houses ,then- > > my comments- > > > > I or anyone would not go for growth of 6th house, because that > would > > also increase my ill health and enemies. > > If we give growth to the third house then one tends to loose his > > wealth too in the process ,if not loose then reduces it. > > 10th again I may not try to increase voluntarily as my Bhagya > would > > be affected.,along with hindrances in promotions or achievements. > > as for 11th I personally would not mind it making it grow more > > strong ,whether the Lord of 11th be a enemy too to the ascendant > Lord, > > I would not bother depending on the conditions and times one is > > placed in. Because in the world you are first answerable to the > > family where one is born i, next come neighbours, relatives, amd > > society and nation. My family would not be very happy in me being > > very good if my goodness is not able to produce the income desired > > per month. Therefroe the 11th house I believe should > > be targetted for growth if one is not wealthy in terms of money. > > > > Those were personal views. I am not sure whether what You meant > was > > related to this or not., but something comes out of any effort, > does > > not matter. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > Actually the issue is not remedies for 3,6,10, 11 houses but > > > remedies revolving around these upachaya houses. > > > For, these are the houses which are more malleable compared to > the > > > other houses. But rarely are remedies suggested involving the > > growth > > > houses. > > > regards > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > about 3,6,10 and 11 I did not understand actually what > remedial > > > > measures need to be mentioned. 11th itself is a remedy for bad > > > health. > > > > So is the 5th house considering the 6th for disease. 11th is > a > > > very > > > > good house for the Lagna Lord to be placed in (Health and > wealth > > > both > > > > plus succes plus daughters marriage), 6th is a good house to > > > receive > > > > payments from business customers, also for Bank Loans. > > > > Three is not bad except for studies, domestic happiness or > > > > vehicles. 10th is good for new professions, to become famous > > > > personality etc. > > > > actually all are good.I dont see any of them as bad houses, > > > neither > > > > 6,8 or 12 too I see as bad if taken as a birds eyeview. > > > > (Except when I see my own horoscope my views would be > different > > > > naturally). Goo cannot co-exist without bad. > > > > How will a person know the meaning of good if he has not seen > > bad, > > > or > > > > meaning of light if he has not seen darkness . > > > > Remedial measures by Parashar maharaj are meant in entirety if > we > > > > read the passages for every Mahadsha and antar dasha, we will > > find > > > > him giving results for placement of the Mahadash and antar > lord > > > vis a > > > > visa to each other in various houses and also their effects > good > > > or > > > > bad are definitely mentioned. > > > > At the end of these passages he has given the remedies (In 4 > > > > shlokas, the last shloka containing the remedial measure), > > > > so when he mentiones - to reduce the ill effects of this antar > do > > > > this or that, he has already taken the effects of placement of > > > > planets in 3,6,10 and 11. > > > > The Rishis of yore will never leave anything for us to search > for > > > > in air, at the same time neither truths would be blatantly > > > revealed, > > > > to fall in any persons hands where it would not be intended to. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Great note. I referred a very interesteing note by Dear > Rishi > > on > > > > another thread, around the remedial measures for 3/6/10/11. I > am > > > > still pondering, why Sage Parashar did not include them for > his > > > > remedial prescription. > > > > > > > > > > Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our greater > > > insight > > > > into jyotish - but are our remedial patterns in line with sage > > > > parashar (or say per jyotish objective). We all (including me) > do > > > > prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves too) - but > > > Rishi's > > > > question is still unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if > we > > do > > > > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- > > > > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a > > boat, > > > a > > > > result but not the purpose. > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the prediction > > > given > > > > to a > > > > > > new/little old born childs parents, would be fatilistic, > and > > > all > > > > would > > > > > > have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but in case > > > > > > when you see a native with impending heart problems, or > Shani > > > sade > > > > > > sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach would turn > into a > > > > saviour > > > > > > for these natives and help and prepare them by way of > > > > > > starting remedial measures, much before the incident would > > > happen, > > > > > > and thus reduce the impact.This is with reference to > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > > > <jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of > Bhaskar > > > ji). > > > > It > > > > > > was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could > > > change? - > > > > So > > > > > > I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic > (will > > > > happen > > > > > > for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he > > wondered, > > > why > > > > > > not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for > > dharma > > > and > > > > > > moksha kona? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, > if > > we > > > do > > > > > > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but > > self- > > > > > > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of > a > > > > boat, a > > > > > > result but not the purpose. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ************************************************ > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> gbp_kumar@ > > > > > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Prafulla, > > > > > >>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, > western > > > > > > astrology uses > > > > > >>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and > its > > > > > > effect a > > > > > >>> collection of them are needed just like how we have a > > leader, > > > > > > king, don, > > > > > >>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too > our > > > > > > evil time > > > > > >>> we need one who will lead us to collective death , > strife, > > > > > > tragedy etc. > > > > > >>> the Samohika karmaphala > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya > here > > > > > > sotme back > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> in short again here > > > > > >>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala > > > hills a > > > > > > bus > > > > > >>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail > end > > > of > > > > the > > > > > >>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus > > > more on > > > > > > the > > > > > >>> edge could have taken all down but some how it got help > and > > > was > > > > > > pulled > > > > > >>> out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all > the > > > > > > piligrims > > > > > >>> in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, > > karma > > > > > > that he > > > > > >>> will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman > man > > > alike > > > > > > and his > > > > > >>> good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in > 4 > > yrs > > > > > > later > > > > > >>> became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt > so > > > far, > > > > > > noow > > > > > >>> called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the > > one > > > > more > > > > > >>> accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged > even > > > > > > Jayednra > > > > > >>> saraswathi in to its web. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul > amoung > > us > > > can > > > > > > destroy > > > > > >>> us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some > future > > > lives > > > > if > > > > > >>> anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor > > > good > > > > and > > > > > > bad > > > > > >>> that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to > 80- > > > 85% > > > > > > max rest > > > > > >>> is god's will.. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature > > > > > > (whether for > > > > > >>> mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of > remedial > > > > measure? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about > > > it), in > > > > > > my view > > > > > >>> - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to > meet > > > the > > > > > >>> uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call > it > > > > > > uncertain > > > > > >>> !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic > > > patterns, > > > > > > so that > > > > > >>> native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness > (or > > > say > > > > > >>> awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul > (i.e. > > > mukti > > > > > > from the > > > > > >>> life/death cycle). > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of > > > remedial > > > > > > issues > > > > > >>> for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic > > > purpose of > > > > > > jyotish. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> , "Bhaskar" > > > > > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > Though this question was not for me, I would > certainly > > > > > >>> > like to answer it., in short. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in > whatever > > > way > > > > he > > > > > > may > > > > > >>> try. > > > > > >>> > If God decides that so much of weight has to be > > > cleared > > > > > > from > > > > > >>> > earth, he would not allow any human being to get > > > > > > foreknowledge of > > > > > >>> > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate > > from > > > > God, > > > > > > I mean > > > > > >>> > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and > doing. > > > Just > > > > > > like > > > > > >>> > a big server has control over thousands of computers > and > > > > > > lakhs of > > > > > >>> > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server > and > > > > > > nothing is > > > > > >>> > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is > > > unaccessible > > > > > > from Him. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before > venturing to > > > > > > mouth our > > > > > >>> > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure > about > > > that. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > regards, > > > > > >>> > Bhaskar. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > , Prathamesn > > > Chawan > > > > > >>> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Ji > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > Greetings > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and > > > > earthquake > > > > > > before > > > > > >>> > hand through astrologers. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > In this case many people can save their lives by > > > acting > > > > > > before > > > > > >>> > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's > wish > > to > > > > kill > > > > > > many > > > > > >>> > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > Many people who believe in astrology must have > lose > > > > their > > > > > > faith > > > > > >>> > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for > > them. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > So astrologers and other people are in two- sided- > > > sword. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > Any comments ? > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > Jagdish > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > >>> > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was > > reading > > > > > >>> > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after > > september's > > > > lunar > > > > > >>> > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a > tsunami > > (as > > > > > > after the > > > > > >>> > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > > > >>> > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the > > > > > > measurement in r- > > > > > >>> > > scale is only 4.... > > > > > >>> > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to > few > > of > > > my > > > > > > friends, > > > > > >>> > > who trust me.... > > > > > >>> > > Regards, > > > > > >>> > > Gaurav > > > > > >>> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > >>> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Namaste. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning > > > > > > newspapers. > > > > > >>> > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention > > how > > > he > > > > > >>> > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury > in > > one > > > > > > line. > > > > > >>> > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > > >>> > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is > > > allowed > > > > > >>> > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in > > > relation to > > > > > > Earth), > > > > > >>> > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot > > > equate > > > > > > him with > > > > > >>> > > > a astrologer though he may use the same > instruments > > > for > > > > > >>> > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is > > > different > > > > > >>> > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in > the > > > > > > housewives > > > > > >>> hand > > > > > >>> > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in > > > another > > > > > > way. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel > as > > > > > > Ganeshji > > > > > >>> > taking > > > > > >>> > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it > > seems > > > > > > have been > > > > > >>> > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour > country, > > > or > > > > by > > > > > >>> > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from > > > foreign > > > > > >>> > countries, > > > > > >>> > > or > > > > > >>> > > > they just want to look very secular by talking > in > > > this > > > > > > manner. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > regards, > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > regards, > > > > > >>> > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > , > Prashant > > > Kumar > > > > G > > > > > > B > > > > > >>> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN > Rao, > > > > > >>> > > Venketramani > > > > > >>> > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical > > > factors > > > > > > has 70% > > > > > >>> > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and > > > another > > > > > > the > > > > > >>> > > last 2 > > > > > >>> > > > strong leftists. > > > > > >>> > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and > bedunk > > > > > > astrology > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > > > > > > predictions > > > > > >>> > > lack > > > > > >>> > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams > > > > > > predicitons on > > > > > >>> > > may > > > > > >>> > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited > > > > > > collection. > > > > > >>> > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers > failed > > > > > >>> > > inprediciting > > > > > >>> > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of > Raman's > > > in > > > > 71 > > > > > > when > > > > > >>> > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by > a > > > bumper > > > > > >>> majority. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and > Venketramani > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > >>> > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj > > tak > > > on > > > > > > 7th he > > > > > >>> > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major > > > > > > terrorist > > > > > >>> > > attack > > > > > >>> > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake > in > > > assak > > > > > >>> > > location > > > > > >>> > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms > and > > 3 > > > day > > > > > > error > > > > > >>> > > was > > > > > >>> > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend > > > > millions > > > > > >>> > > inshifting > > > > > >>> > > > people > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do > they > > > > happen > > > > > > to the > > > > > >>> > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as > > > > precautonary > > > > > > too. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > well there is one more day to go for his > forecast > > > to > > > > > > happen > > > > > >>> > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora > earth > > > quake > > > > r > > > > > > there > > > > > >>> > > > astrologically. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more > time > > > for > > > > > >>> > > astologers > > > > > >>> > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there > > > anyway. > > > > esp > > > > > > the > > > > > >>> > > left > > > > > >>> > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > group but > > > > > >>> > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by > > chat, > > > > > > mail or > > > > > >>> > > phone. > > > > > >>> > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and > Pay > > > Pal > > > > ID > > > > > > also > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > >>> > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Dear Rishi ji, On a seperate note, D9 (dharma perspective) has always been given most importance than other D charts say D 10. and even Deva Keralam connects native through D9 (in addition to nadiamsa). But in modern perspective (with different challenges for rat race), should "assessment parameters" be redefined ? Apart from remedies, jyotish has bigger role in guiding native for current life (understanably around - dharma, artha, moksha and karma). The role becomes more crucial in karmic segment, where native seldom wants to know the ways to channelise his/her energies for meeting karmic challenges (including for karmic controlling planets - i.e. dispositors of rahu / ketu). Jyotishis, I am sure, will be able match the pace of modern life. regards / Prafulla Gang Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not the purpose. ************************************************ > > rishi_2000in > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT) > > RE: Re: Upachaya houses > > Prafullaji, > Another interesting point to be considered is that > while the 3,6,10,11 are the houses which are perhaps > the most malleable with current karmas. > If a job seeker comes up and says, I do not have a > job, the question is what efforts (3rd house)has > he/she made to equip himself with the requisite skills > , the resources the querist has added to seek the > karma and the gain from Karma. > Therefore, a simple way to prescribe a remedy is to > suggest upgrading the skillsets. > Incidentally, we Jyotishis also need to upgrade our > skillsets continuously.... > and what better a forum than this group! > regards > > rishi > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > >> Great note. I referred a very interesteing note by >> Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial >> measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why >> Sage Parashar did not include them for his remedial >> prescription. >> >> Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our >> greater insight into jyotish - but are our remedial >> patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per >> jyotish objective). We all (including me) do >> prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves >> too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Although we gain much through our kindness and >> charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither >> kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. >> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a >> result but not the purpose. >> >> ************************************************ >> >> >>> >>> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 >>> >>> Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word >> 10/9 >>> >>> Sir, >>> >>> I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the >> prediction given to a >>> new/little old born childs parents, would be >> fatilistic, and all would >>> have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but in >> case >>> when you see a native with impending heart >> problems, or Shani sade >>> sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach would >> turn into a saviour >>> for these natives and help and prepare them by way >> of >>> starting remedial measures, much before the >> incident would happen, >>> and thus reduce the impact.This is with reference >> to astrology. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> , Prafulla >> Gang <jyotish >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, >>>> >>>> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message >> of Bhaskar ji). It >>> was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing >> could change? - So >>> I pondered to that note, if predictions are >> fatalistic (will happen >>> for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial >> measures. >>>> >>>> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where >> he wondered, why >>> not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why >> only for dharma and >>> moksha kona? >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and >> charity, if we do >>> these for gain, they are neither kindness nor >> charity but self- >>> interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the >> wake of a boat, a >>> result but not the purpose. >>>> >>>> ************************************************ >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> gbp_kumar >>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> >>>>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last >> word 10/9 >>>>> >>>>> Prafulla, >>>>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is >> realistic, western >>> astrology uses >>>>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective >> karma and its >>> effect a >>>>> collection of them are needed just like how we >> have a leader, >>> king, don, >>>>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., >> life so too our >>> evil time >>>>> we need one who will lead us to collective death >> , strife, >>> tragedy etc. >>>>> the Samohika karmaphala >>>>> >>>>> I had givne the instance of they young >> Shankaracharya here >>> sotme back >>>>> >>>>> in short again here >>>>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to >> Tirumala hills a >>> bus >>>>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at >> the tail end of the >>>>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of >> th ebus more on >>> the >>>>> edge could have taken all down but some how it >> got help and was >>> pulled >>>>> out then there was a astrolgoer who took the >> data of all the >>> piligrims >>>>> in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a >> great aura, karma >>> that he >>>>> will be respectd by the high and the mighty the >> coman man alike >>> and his >>>>> good soul amoungst them did save them all. this >> bouy in 4 yrs >>> later >>>>> became the youngest sankaracharya of the >> shankara mutt so far, >>> noow >>>>> called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger >> brothers in the one more >>>>> accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has >> draged even >>> Jayednra >>>>> saraswathi in to its web. >>>>> >>>>> so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil >> soul amoung us can >>> destroy >>>>> us and our karma balances willget adjusted in >> some future lives if >>>>> anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a >> windofor good and >>> bad >>>>> that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get >> closr to 80-85% >>> max rest >>>>> is god's will.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: >>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji, >>>>> >>>>> Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic >> in nature >>> (whether for >>>>> mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of >> remedial measure? >>>>> >>>>> Without getting into the might of GOD (No >> doubts about it), in >>> my view >>>>> - astrology can be used in preparing human >> being, to meet the >>>>> uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong >> to call it >>> uncertain >>>>> !!) future and more importantly, to draw the >> karmic patterns, >>> so that >>>>> native (mind and physical body) can use the >> awareness (or say >>>>> awakening) towards the ultimate objective of >> soul (i.e. mukti >>> from the >>>>> life/death cycle). >>>>> >>>>> On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the >> relevance of remedial >>> issues >>>>> for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the >> basic purpose of >>> jyotish. >>>>> >>>>> regards / Prafulla >>>>> >>>>> , >> "Bhaskar" >> > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________ GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! 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Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Dear Rishi ji Certainly, dharma is around our obligations for this life - as you have elaborated. regards / Prafulla Gang Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not the purpose. ************************************************ > > rishi_2000in > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:23:44 -0700 (PDT) > > RE: Re: Upachaya houses > > Prafullaji, > A lot in the classics was very explicitly meant for a > different period of time. I think, it is for us to > cull out that what is shashwat and beyond time in the > classics. > D9 though ,in my opinion, is perhaps as relevant as > D1. For if D1 is rashi oriented then D9 is nakshatra > oriented. And secondly, I would not translate Dharma > as poojas, bhakti, ritual or prayer only.Dharma for > me...is vital, it is my duty, it is my mission. My > dharma may be to oppose what is decaying in religion, > it is still my dharma and cannot be called adharma. > The translation, perhaps, needs to be not so literal. > > I agree with you that the meanings need to be > reappraised. > > regards > > rishi > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > >> Dear Rishi ji, >> >> On a seperate note, D9 (dharma perspective) has >> always been given most importance than other D >> charts say D 10. and even Deva Keralam connects >> native through D9 (in addition to nadiamsa). But in >> modern perspective (with different challenges for >> rat race), should "assessment parameters" be >> redefined ? >> >> Apart from remedies, jyotish has bigger role in >> guiding native for current life (understanably >> around - dharma, artha, moksha and karma). The role >> becomes more crucial in karmic segment, where native >> seldom wants to know the ways to channelise his/her >> energies for meeting karmic challenges (including >> for karmic controlling planets - i.e. dispositors of >> rahu / ketu). Jyotishis, I am sure, will be able >> match the pace of modern life. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Although we gain much through our kindness and >> charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither >> kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. >> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a >> result but not the purpose. >> >> ************************************************ >> >> >>> >>> rishi_2000in >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> RE: Re: Upachaya houses >>> >>> Prafullaji, >>> Another interesting point to be considered is that >>> while the 3,6,10,11 are the houses which are >> perhaps >>> the most malleable with current karmas. >>> If a job seeker comes up and says, I do not have a >>> job, the question is what efforts (3rd house)has >>> he/she made to equip himself with the requisite >> skills >>> , the resources the querist has added to seek the >>> karma and the gain from Karma. >>> Therefore, a simple way to prescribe a remedy is >> to >>> suggest upgrading the skillsets. >>> Incidentally, we Jyotishis also need to upgrade >> our >>> skillsets continuously.... >>> and what better a forum than this group! >>> regards >>> >>> rishi >>> >>> >>> --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: >>> >>>> Great note. I referred a very interesteing note >> by >>>> Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial >>>> measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why >>>> Sage Parashar did not include them for his >> remedial >>>> prescription. >>>> >>>> Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our >>>> greater insight into jyotish - but are our >> remedial >>>> patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per >>>> jyotish objective). We all (including me) do >>>> prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves >>>> too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and >>>> charity, if we do these for gain, they are >> neither >>>> kindness nor charity but self-interest in >> disguise. >>>> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a >>>> result but not the purpose. >>>> >>>> ************************************************ >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in >>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word >>>> 10/9 >>>>> >>>>> Sir, >>>>> >>>>> I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the >>>> prediction given to a >>>>> new/little old born childs parents, would be >>>> fatilistic, and all would >>>>> have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but >> in >>>> case >>>>> when you see a native with impending heart >>>> problems, or Shani sade >>>>> sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach >> would >>>> turn into a saviour >>>>> for these natives and help and prepare them by >> way >>>> of >>>>> starting remedial measures, much before the >>>> incident would happen, >>>>> and thus reduce the impact.This is with >> reference >>>> to astrology. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> , >> Prafulla >>>> Gang <jyotish >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message >>>> of Bhaskar ji). It >>>>> was stated that, it was god's desire - so >> nothing >>>> could change? - So >>>>> I pondered to that note, if predictions are >>>> fatalistic (will happen >>>>> for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial >>>> measures. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, >> where >>>> he wondered, why >>>>> not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why >>>> only for dharma and >>>>> moksha kona? >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and >>>> charity, if we do >>>>> these for gain, they are neither kindness nor >>>> charity but self- >>>>> interest in disguise. Our gains should come as >> the >>>> wake of a boat, a >>>>> result but not the purpose. >>>>>> >>>>>> >> ************************************************ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gbp_kumar >>>>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last >>>> word 10/9 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Prafulla, >>>>>>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is >>>> realistic, western >>>>> astrology uses >>>>>>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective >>>> karma and its >>>>> effect a >>>>>>> collection of them are needed just like how we >>>> have a leader, >>>>> king, don, >>>>>>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., >>>> life so too our >>>>> evil time >>>>>>> we need one who will lead us to collective >> death >>>> , strife, >>>>> tragedy etc. >>>>>>> the Samohika karmaphala >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had givne the instance of they young >>>> Shankaracharya here >>>>> sotme back >>>>>>> >>>>>>> in short again here >>>>>>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s >> to >>>> Tirumala hills a >>>>> bus >>>>>>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at >>>> the tail end of the >>>>>>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance >> of >> > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________ GET FREE 5GB ONLINE STORAGE - Safely store your documents, photos and music online! 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