Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Readers, There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, Venketramani who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the last 2 strong leftists. who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions lack any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on may events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed inprediciting the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper majority. BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist attack will happen near a religious place Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak location also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error was given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions inshifting people Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there astrologically. TIME WILL TELL But please write to press, tv to allow more time for astologers than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the left brigade in the print and TV media.. Prashantkumar G B -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also Personal ID astro.prashantkumar 09840051861 Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Shri Prashant Sahab, Namaste. I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. etc.........etc. explanations he gave. He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives hand is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji taking milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign countries, or they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. regards, Bhaskar. regards, Bhaskar. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Readers, > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, Venketramani who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the last 2 strong leftists. > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions lack any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on may events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed inprediciting the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper majority. > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist attack will happen near a religious place > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak location also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error was given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions inshifting people > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there astrologically. > > TIME WILL TELL > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for astologers than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the left brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar > 09840051861 > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after the eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in r- scale is only 4.... I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my friends, who trust me.... Regards, Gaurav http://gauravastro.150m.com , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > Namaste. > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives hand > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji taking > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign countries, or > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, Venketramani > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the last 2 > strong leftists. > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions lack > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on may > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed inprediciting > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper majority. > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist attack > will happen near a religious place > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak location > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error was > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions inshifting > people > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there > astrologically. > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for astologers > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the left > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > group but > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Gaurav, Good going. I believe you. But if it is happening in Bombay in future, let me know in advance, I will shift from Bombay to Calcutta.near You in safe custody. Try to also predict for places in the international boundaries too, alongwith timings, if You are able to. If you come out true in at least 2 out of three predictions, you can become famous in the world, and we can also say with pride that we know this young guy, he is our good friend. regards, Bhaskar. , "" <gg_0202 wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after the > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in r- > scale is only 4.... > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my friends, > who trust me.... > Regards, > Gaurav > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > Namaste. > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives hand > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji taking > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign countries, > or > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > Venketramani > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > last 2 > > strong leftists. > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > lack > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on > may > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > inprediciting > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper majority. > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > attack > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > location > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > was > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > inshifting > > people > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there > > astrologically. > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > astologers > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > left > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > group but > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > phone. > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Ji Greetings People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake before hand through astrologers. Now there are two possabilities. 1) Prediction went right In this case many people can save their lives by acting before natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many people by these natural disasters ? Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? 2) Prediction went wrong Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their faith and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. Any comments ? Jagdish wrote: ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after the eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in r- scale is only 4.... I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my friends, who trust me.... Regards, Gaurav http://gauravastro.150m.com , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > Namaste. > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives hand > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji taking > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign countries, or > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, Venketramani > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the last 2 > strong leftists. > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions lack > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on may > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed inprediciting > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper majority. > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist attack > will happen near a religious place > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak location > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error was > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions inshifting > people > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there > astrologically. > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for astologers > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the left > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > group but > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Shri Jagdishji, Though this question was not for me, I would certainly like to answer it., in short. 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may try. If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I mean He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing is unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from Him. 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth our predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. regards, Bhaskar. , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Dear Ji > > Greetings > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake before hand through astrologers. > > Now there are two possabilities. > > 1) Prediction went right > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting before natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many people by these natural disasters ? > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their faith and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > Any comments ? > > Jagdish > > > > <gg_0202 wrote: > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after the > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in r- > scale is only 4.... > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my friends, > who trust me.... > Regards, > Gaurav > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > Namaste. > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives hand > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji taking > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign countries, > or > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > Venketramani > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > last 2 > > strong leftists. > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > lack > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on > may > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > inprediciting > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper majority. > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > attack > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > location > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > was > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > inshifting > > people > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there > > astrologically. > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > astologers > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > left > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > group but > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > phone. > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Jagdish, not sure where u want to lead this. if people r destined to die en mass it will bring suchpeople there at that time in way or the other it will happen, u have natural calamities, and man made calamities and mad men made calamities [terror] so all possiblities open we can interpret it and those destined to live after the incident may be witness a btio away from the spot or may be put of town/location that time. when weather dept makes mistakes and fail in the results it is still called science the cyclone may hot the area not destined or planned and evacuated bu the ones not prepared more. the Kathrina hurricane is case in point. for all ur questions Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest > wrote: Dear Ji Greetings People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake before hand through astrologers. Now there are two possabilities. 1) Prediction went right In this case many people can save their lives by acting before natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many people by these natural disasters ? Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? 2) Prediction went wrong Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their faith and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. Any comments ? Jagdish wrote: ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after the eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in r- scale is only 4.... I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my friends, who trust me.... Regards, Gaurav http://gauravastro.150m.com , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > Namaste. > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives hand > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji taking > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign countries, or > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, Venketramani > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the last 2 > strong leftists. > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions lack > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on may > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed inprediciting > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper majority. > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist attack > will happen near a religious place > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak location > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error was > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions inshifting > people > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there > astrologically. > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for astologers > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the left > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > group but > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji, Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature (whether for mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial measure? Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about it), in my view - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet the uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it uncertain !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic patterns, so that native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or say awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. mukti from the life/death cycle). On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of remedial issues for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic purpose of jyotish. regards / Prafulla , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Shri Jagdishji, > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > like to answer it., in short. > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may try. > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I mean > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing is > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from Him. > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth our > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ji > > > > Greetings > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake before > hand through astrologers. > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting before > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their faith > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > Any comments ? > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after the > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in r- > > scale is only 4.... > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my friends, > > who trust me.... > > Regards, > > Gaurav > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives hand > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > taking > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > countries, > > or > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > Venketramani > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > last 2 > > > strong leftists. > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > > lack > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on > > may > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > inprediciting > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper majority. > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > attack > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > location > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > > was > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > inshifting > > > people > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > astologers > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > > left > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > group but > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > phone. > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 dear friends this subject of predicting natural calamities with success keep coming off and on and a thread follows for few days. here is what i observed based on facts: in the last five years, all astrologers and panchangakartas, in thier zeal to find their place in the list of most successful predictions, have started listing the following incidents for the CHART OF THE COUNTRY I.E. INDIA: 1. heavy rains and floods cause damage to fields and property. 2. some parts witness drought and famine. 3. a national leader of repute passes away. 4. the country progresses further in the technology (IT) field. 5. more terrorist attacks happen in various parts of the country. 6. new viral (air borne) diseases are expected to come from foreign lands. 7. india gets greater achiements in the sports arena. 8. a leading film personality passes away. 9. financial scams of large magnitude will be detected. 10. a top politician will be indicted for corruption. as is simple common sense without any role of astrology, all the above ten MACRO predictions keep happening in every country every year. some astrolgoers intelligent enough to go to micro level by suggesting direction based predictions but whenever an incident happens, they boast themselves by stating that since the origin of the particular calamity is from this side, my prediction of a calamity happening on the particular side predicted is true. forget about astrologers, there are so many godmen in this country at whose feet the top most ministers fall including the president and prime minister e.g. kalki bhagwan, amma, saibaba, shankaracharya, sriravishankar and many more. ALL THESE GODMEN WHO ARE TREATED AS GODS OR KALKI AVATARS BY THEIR RESPECTIVE FOLLOWERS HAVE NEVER PREDICTED AND AVERTED ANY NATURAL CALAMITY. ALL THESE GODMEN WERE SUCCESSFUL ONLY IN COLLECTING DONATIONS AFTER THE CALAMITY AND VISIT THE DESTRUCTION PLACES AND DISTRIBUTE FOOD AND CLOTHES AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEOS AND FURTHER USE THEM FOR SELF PUBLICITY ACROSS THE GLOBE ONLY TO ATTRACT FURTHER DONATIONS. so my submission is that if godmen who are treatd as the kalki avatar of the god have failed in predicting a natural calamity, how can an ordinary astrologer predict. please correct me if any of you have found any godmen of these years predicting an incident beforehand. in andhra pradesh, there used to live a saint called potuluri veerabrahmam who was from a low caste and illiterate but he got brahma jnan and predicted 1001 incidents that will happen in andhra and all of them are happening. of course, like nostradamus he too did not give any dates. we are yet to see any godman, clairvoyant or an astrolgoer predicting future incidents in advance for the country, specifically natural calamities. with best wishes pandit arjun , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Shri Jagdishji, > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > like to answer it., in short. > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may try. > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I mean > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing is > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from Him. > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth our > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ji > > > > Greetings > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake before > hand through astrologers. > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting before > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their faith > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > Any comments ? > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after the > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in r- > > scale is only 4.... > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my friends, > > who trust me.... > > Regards, > > Gaurav > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives hand > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > taking > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > countries, > > or > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > Venketramani > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > last 2 > > > strong leftists. > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > > lack > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on > > may > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > inprediciting > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper majority. > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > attack > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > location > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > > was > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > inshifting > > > people > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > astologers > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > > left > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > group but > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > phone. > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Prafullaji, Predictions based on misjudged intuitions or wrong derivations arrived at by ESp, may certainly fall in fatilistic category. Astrology predictions can never be fatilistic I presume. Neither can astrology itself be viewed as a fatalistic science which will hamper growth., or support stagnation or allow the fate to remain defunct. In fact it is just the opposite.It allows breathing space by indicating the future and where possible, to accelerate the progress, or reduce the negative impacts in ones life. In other words as you said prepare for the uncertain, and to draw the karmic patterns (Retrograde Planets for ex.in 6th should decide the karmic rinabundhans in which area are needed to be repaid-), so that this knowledge can be used for achieveing ultimate objective ...... Remedial measures is certainly a relevant issue, because if a negative uncertainity is noticed by the astrologer, he also has to suggest alongwith,the measures for reducing the same negativity, which is the core issue and meaning of astrology, thus these measure namely known as remedial. regards, Bhaskar. , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature (whether for > mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial measure? > > Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about it), in my view > - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet the > uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it uncertain > !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic patterns, so that > native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or say > awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. mukti from the > life/death cycle). > > On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of remedial issues > for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic purpose of jyotish. > > regards / Prafulla > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may try. > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I mean > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing is > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from Him. > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth our > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake before > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting before > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their faith > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after the > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in r- > > > scale is only 4.... > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my friends, > > > who trust me.... > > > Regards, > > > Gaurav > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives hand > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > > taking > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > countries, > > > or > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > Venketramani > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > > last 2 > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > > > lack > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on > > > may > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > inprediciting > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper majority. > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > > attack > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > > location > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > > > was > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > > inshifting > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > astologers > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > > > left > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > group but > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > > phone. > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Arjun ji, Thoroughly enjoyed your post! Thanks!! Here is a public prediction! The subject matter of your posting shall show up on this list, and be discussed again, before 2006 is over ;-) RR , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > this subject of predicting natural calamities with success keep > coming off and on and a thread follows for few days. > > here is what i observed based on facts: > > in the last five years, all astrologers and panchangakartas, in > thier zeal to find their place in the list of most successful > predictions, have started listing the following incidents for the > CHART OF THE COUNTRY I.E. INDIA: > > 1. heavy rains and floods cause damage to fields and property. > 2. some parts witness drought and famine. > 3. a national leader of repute passes away. > 4. the country progresses further in the technology (IT) field. > 5. more terrorist attacks happen in various parts of the country. > 6. new viral (air borne) diseases are expected to come from foreign > lands. > 7. india gets greater achiements in the sports arena. > 8. a leading film personality passes away. > 9. financial scams of large magnitude will be detected. > 10. a top politician will be indicted for corruption. > > as is simple common sense without any role of astrology, all the > above ten MACRO predictions keep happening in every country every > year. > > some astrolgoers intelligent enough to go to micro level by > suggesting direction based predictions but whenever an incident > happens, they boast themselves by stating that since the origin of > the particular calamity is from this side, my prediction of a > calamity happening on the particular side predicted is true. > > forget about astrologers, there are so many godmen in this country > at whose feet the top most ministers fall including the president > and prime minister e.g. kalki bhagwan, amma, saibaba, > shankaracharya, sriravishankar and many more. ALL THESE GODMEN WHO > ARE TREATED AS GODS OR KALKI AVATARS BY THEIR RESPECTIVE FOLLOWERS > HAVE NEVER PREDICTED AND AVERTED ANY NATURAL CALAMITY. ALL THESE > GODMEN WERE SUCCESSFUL ONLY IN COLLECTING DONATIONS AFTER THE > CALAMITY AND VISIT THE DESTRUCTION PLACES AND DISTRIBUTE FOOD AND > CLOTHES AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEOS AND FURTHER USE THEM FOR > SELF PUBLICITY ACROSS THE GLOBE ONLY TO ATTRACT FURTHER DONATIONS. > > so my submission is that if godmen who are treatd as the kalki > avatar of the god have failed in predicting a natural calamity, how > can an ordinary astrologer predict. > > please correct me if any of you have found any godmen of these years > predicting an incident beforehand. > > in andhra pradesh, there used to live a saint called potuluri > veerabrahmam who was from a low caste and illiterate but he got > brahma jnan and predicted 1001 incidents that will happen in andhra > and all of them are happening. of course, like nostradamus he too > did not give any dates. > > we are yet to see any godman, clairvoyant or an astrolgoer > predicting future incidents in advance for the country, specifically > natural calamities. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Shri Panditji, Pranams, A very good post as expected from you,specially the para written in capitals brought a smile. How can human beings,I have not understood allowed their names to be prefixed with Sri Sri Bhagwan....... when they cant even speak or sound like proper men, though hats off to them for their purya punyas (??) karmas which have given them in this janma the charisma to get masses together on a common platform and show the world about our religious way of living and love extended to all, exhuberating from our Hindu culture. Yet some how this prefixing does not make sense in any way to these personalities however great they may be. affectionately, Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > this subject of predicting natural calamities with success keep > coming off and on and a thread follows for few days. > > here is what i observed based on facts: > > in the last five years, all astrologers and panchangakartas, in > thier zeal to find their place in the list of most successful > predictions, have started listing the following incidents for the > CHART OF THE COUNTRY I.E. INDIA: > > 1. heavy rains and floods cause damage to fields and property. > 2. some parts witness drought and famine. > 3. a national leader of repute passes away. > 4. the country progresses further in the technology (IT) field. > 5. more terrorist attacks happen in various parts of the country. > 6. new viral (air borne) diseases are expected to come from foreign > lands. > 7. india gets greater achiements in the sports arena. > 8. a leading film personality passes away. > 9. financial scams of large magnitude will be detected. > 10. a top politician will be indicted for corruption. > > as is simple common sense without any role of astrology, all the > above ten MACRO predictions keep happening in every country every > year. > > some astrolgoers intelligent enough to go to micro level by > suggesting direction based predictions but whenever an incident > happens, they boast themselves by stating that since the origin of > the particular calamity is from this side, my prediction of a > calamity happening on the particular side predicted is true. > > forget about astrologers, there are so many godmen in this country > at whose feet the top most ministers fall including the president > and prime minister e.g. kalki bhagwan, amma, saibaba, > shankaracharya, sriravishankar and many more. ALL THESE GODMEN WHO > ARE TREATED AS GODS OR KALKI AVATARS BY THEIR RESPECTIVE FOLLOWERS > HAVE NEVER PREDICTED AND AVERTED ANY NATURAL CALAMITY. ALL THESE > GODMEN WERE SUCCESSFUL ONLY IN COLLECTING DONATIONS AFTER THE > CALAMITY AND VISIT THE DESTRUCTION PLACES AND DISTRIBUTE FOOD AND > CLOTHES AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEOS AND FURTHER USE THEM FOR > SELF PUBLICITY ACROSS THE GLOBE ONLY TO ATTRACT FURTHER DONATIONS. > > so my submission is that if godmen who are treatd as the kalki > avatar of the god have failed in predicting a natural calamity, how > can an ordinary astrologer predict. > > please correct me if any of you have found any godmen of these years > predicting an incident beforehand. > > in andhra pradesh, there used to live a saint called potuluri > veerabrahmam who was from a low caste and illiterate but he got > brahma jnan and predicted 1001 incidents that will happen in andhra > and all of them are happening. of course, like nostradamus he too > did not give any dates. > > we are yet to see any godman, clairvoyant or an astrolgoer > predicting future incidents in advance for the country, specifically > natural calamities. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may > try. > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I > mean > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing > is > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from > Him. > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth our > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake > before > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting before > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their > faith > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after > the > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in > r- > > > scale is only 4.... > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my > friends, > > > who trust me.... > > > Regards, > > > Gaurav > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to > Earth), > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives > hand > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > > taking > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have > been > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > countries, > > > or > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > Venketramani > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has > 70% > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > > last 2 > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > > > lack > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons > on > > > may > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > inprediciting > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > majority. > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > > attack > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > > location > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > > > was > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > > inshifting > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to > the > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r > there > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > astologers > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > > > left > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > group but > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > > phone. > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Pandit Arjunji,, while i really appreciate ur facts based mail post, it is very sad that u took shankaracharya name in that....may be the recent events made you to believe and it may at best be yours personal view.... But you must be aware that kanchi chandrasekara saraswathi swamigal, the earlier peetadhipathy of kanchi mutt is great astrologer himself and he performed many many miracles in the lives of many many...he is almost considered as reavatar of adi shankaracharya... he predicted all the events including the one which is going to rock the peetam itself but still sometimes there are valid reasons to stop intervening in the cosmic activity. I am not aware of the situation prevailed in 1966 when all the planets seems to be in one house or one rekha as they call it..but to ward off the ill effects, his rendition of "kolaru pathigam" is still a master piece to ward of all navagraha afflictions... Sri.Sankaracharya is definitely above all this people u quoted ... regards sriganeshh , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > this subject of predicting natural calamities with success keep > coming off and on and a thread follows for few days. > > here is what i observed based on facts: > > in the last five years, all astrologers and panchangakartas, in > thier zeal to find their place in the list of most successful > predictions, have started listing the following incidents for the > CHART OF THE COUNTRY I.E. INDIA: > > 1. heavy rains and floods cause damage to fields and property. > 2. some parts witness drought and famine. > 3. a national leader of repute passes away. > 4. the country progresses further in the technology (IT) field. > 5. more terrorist attacks happen in various parts of the country. > 6. new viral (air borne) diseases are expected to come from foreign > lands. > 7. india gets greater achiements in the sports arena. > 8. a leading film personality passes away. > 9. financial scams of large magnitude will be detected. > 10. a top politician will be indicted for corruption. > > as is simple common sense without any role of astrology, all the > above ten MACRO predictions keep happening in every country every > year. > > some astrolgoers intelligent enough to go to micro level by > suggesting direction based predictions but whenever an incident > happens, they boast themselves by stating that since the origin of > the particular calamity is from this side, my prediction of a > calamity happening on the particular side predicted is true. > > forget about astrologers, there are so many godmen in this country > at whose feet the top most ministers fall including the president > and prime minister e.g. kalki bhagwan, amma, saibaba, > shankaracharya, sriravishankar and many more. ALL THESE GODMEN WHO > ARE TREATED AS GODS OR KALKI AVATARS BY THEIR RESPECTIVE FOLLOWERS > HAVE NEVER PREDICTED AND AVERTED ANY NATURAL CALAMITY. ALL THESE > GODMEN WERE SUCCESSFUL ONLY IN COLLECTING DONATIONS AFTER THE > CALAMITY AND VISIT THE DESTRUCTION PLACES AND DISTRIBUTE FOOD AND > CLOTHES AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEOS AND FURTHER USE THEM FOR > SELF PUBLICITY ACROSS THE GLOBE ONLY TO ATTRACT FURTHER DONATIONS. > > so my submission is that if godmen who are treatd as the kalki > avatar of the god have failed in predicting a natural calamity, how > can an ordinary astrologer predict. > > please correct me if any of you have found any godmen of these years > predicting an incident beforehand. > > in andhra pradesh, there used to live a saint called potuluri > veerabrahmam who was from a low caste and illiterate but he got > brahma jnan and predicted 1001 incidents that will happen in andhra > and all of them are happening. of course, like nostradamus he too > did not give any dates. > > we are yet to see any godman, clairvoyant or an astrolgoer > predicting future incidents in advance for the country, specifically > natural calamities. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may > try. > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I > mean > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing > is > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from > Him. > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth our > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake > before > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting before > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their > faith > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after > the > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in > r- > > > scale is only 4.... > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my > friends, > > > who trust me.... > > > Regards, > > > Gaurav > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to > Earth), > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives > hand > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > > taking > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have > been > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > countries, > > > or > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > Venketramani > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has > 70% > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > > last 2 > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > > > lack > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons > on > > > may > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > inprediciting > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > majority. > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > > attack > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > > location > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > > > was > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > > inshifting > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to > the > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r > there > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > astologers > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > > > left > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > group but > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > > phone. > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Dear SriGaneshji, I am sure he did not mean the previous ones,but only the recent one because of involvement. Astrologically, all 7 planets in any one Bhava, is one of the Sankhya Yogas and known as Gol Yoga. Results for above yoga- malicious, stupid,undesirable activities, scourge to society, indolent and nomadic. In fact there is a inside truth that already one Anti-Christ person has been born in the world on 05-02-1962, but who is he, I think only the Satan would know,or his followers would know ? I just remembered the above Yoga after reading your post, so thought let me share this with you. regards, Bhaskar. , "sriganeshh" <sriganeshh wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjunji,, > > > while i really appreciate ur facts based mail post, it is very sad > that u took shankaracharya name in that....may be the recent events > made you to believe and it may at best be yours personal view.... > > But you must be aware that kanchi chandrasekara saraswathi swamigal, > the earlier peetadhipathy of kanchi mutt is great astrologer himself > and he performed many many miracles in the lives of many many...he > is almost considered as reavatar of adi shankaracharya... > he predicted all the events including the one which is going to rock > the peetam itself but still sometimes there are valid reasons to > stop intervening in the cosmic activity. > > I am not aware of the situation prevailed in 1966 when all the > planets seems to be in one house or one rekha as they call it..but > to ward off the ill effects, his rendition of "kolaru pathigam" is > still a master piece to ward of all navagraha afflictions... > > Sri.Sankaracharya is definitely above all this people u quoted ... > > regards > sriganeshh > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > this subject of predicting natural calamities with success keep > > coming off and on and a thread follows for few days. > > > > here is what i observed based on facts: > > > > in the last five years, all astrologers and panchangakartas, in > > thier zeal to find their place in the list of most successful > > predictions, have started listing the following incidents for the > > CHART OF THE COUNTRY I.E. INDIA: > > > > 1. heavy rains and floods cause damage to fields and property. > > 2. some parts witness drought and famine. > > 3. a national leader of repute passes away. > > 4. the country progresses further in the technology (IT) field. > > 5. more terrorist attacks happen in various parts of the country. > > 6. new viral (air borne) diseases are expected to come from > foreign > > lands. > > 7. india gets greater achiements in the sports arena. > > 8. a leading film personality passes away. > > 9. financial scams of large magnitude will be detected. > > 10. a top politician will be indicted for corruption. > > > > as is simple common sense without any role of astrology, all the > > above ten MACRO predictions keep happening in every country every > > year. > > > > some astrolgoers intelligent enough to go to micro level by > > suggesting direction based predictions but whenever an incident > > happens, they boast themselves by stating that since the origin of > > the particular calamity is from this side, my prediction of a > > calamity happening on the particular side predicted is true. > > > > forget about astrologers, there are so many godmen in this country > > at whose feet the top most ministers fall including the president > > and prime minister e.g. kalki bhagwan, amma, saibaba, > > shankaracharya, sriravishankar and many more. ALL THESE GODMEN > WHO > > ARE TREATED AS GODS OR KALKI AVATARS BY THEIR RESPECTIVE FOLLOWERS > > HAVE NEVER PREDICTED AND AVERTED ANY NATURAL CALAMITY. ALL THESE > > GODMEN WERE SUCCESSFUL ONLY IN COLLECTING DONATIONS AFTER THE > > CALAMITY AND VISIT THE DESTRUCTION PLACES AND DISTRIBUTE FOOD AND > > CLOTHES AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEOS AND FURTHER USE THEM FOR > > SELF PUBLICITY ACROSS THE GLOBE ONLY TO ATTRACT FURTHER DONATIONS. > > > > so my submission is that if godmen who are treatd as the kalki > > avatar of the god have failed in predicting a natural calamity, > how > > can an ordinary astrologer predict. > > > > please correct me if any of you have found any godmen of these > years > > predicting an incident beforehand. > > > > in andhra pradesh, there used to live a saint called potuluri > > veerabrahmam who was from a low caste and illiterate but he got > > brahma jnan and predicted 1001 incidents that will happen in > andhra > > and all of them are happening. of course, like nostradamus he too > > did not give any dates. > > > > we are yet to see any godman, clairvoyant or an astrolgoer > > predicting future incidents in advance for the country, > specifically > > natural calamities. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he > may > > try. > > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge > of > > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I > > mean > > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing > > is > > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from > > Him. > > > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth > our > > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake > > before > > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting > before > > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill > many > > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their > > faith > > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after > > the > > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement > in > > r- > > > > scale is only 4.... > > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my > > friends, > > > > who trust me.... > > > > Regards, > > > > Gaurav > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to > > Earth), > > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him > with > > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the > housewives > > hand > > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > > > taking > > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have > > been > > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > > countries, > > > > or > > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this > manner. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > > Venketramani > > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has > > 70% > > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > > > last 2 > > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > predictions > > > > lack > > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons > > on > > > > may > > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > > inprediciting > > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 > when > > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > > majority. > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th > he > > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > > > attack > > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > > > location > > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day > error > > > > was > > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > > > inshifting > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to > > the > > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r > > there > > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > > astologers > > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp > the > > > > left > > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > > > group but > > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail > or > > > > phone. > > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID > also > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Dear Bhaskarji, When we write the name shankaracharya, it refers to peetam and one has to be very careful as he is most respected and widely followed spiritual leader in india. Even the present one has done many good deeds that because of him, the spiritual movement in tamilnadu survived otherwise in the hands of dravidian movement, it would have died long back...again if you see the year of raising, it is 1966. It is easy to write critisizing mails about gods and god men,but before doing that, achieve something good as all these have done (positive actions)and then critisize...otherwise i am sure it will be negative action and all the accrued punyas will vanish in thin air.... regards sriganeshh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear SriGaneshji, > > I am sure he did not mean the previous ones,but only the recent one > because of involvement. > > Astrologically, all 7 planets in any one Bhava, is one of the Sankhya > Yogas and known as Gol Yoga. > Results for above yoga- malicious, stupid,undesirable activities, > scourge to society, indolent and nomadic. > > In fact there is a inside truth that already one Anti-Christ person > has been born in the world on 05-02-1962, but who is he, I > think only the Satan would know,or his followers would know ? > > I just remembered the above Yoga after reading your post, so > thought let me share this with you. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , "sriganeshh" > <sriganeshh@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit Arjunji,, > > > > > > while i really appreciate ur facts based mail post, it is very sad > > that u took shankaracharya name in that....may be the recent events > > made you to believe and it may at best be yours personal view.... > > > > But you must be aware that kanchi chandrasekara saraswathi > swamigal, > > the earlier peetadhipathy of kanchi mutt is great astrologer > himself > > and he performed many many miracles in the lives of many many...he > > is almost considered as reavatar of adi shankaracharya... > > he predicted all the events including the one which is going to > rock > > the peetam itself but still sometimes there are valid reasons to > > stop intervening in the cosmic activity. > > > > I am not aware of the situation prevailed in 1966 when all the > > planets seems to be in one house or one rekha as they call it..but > > to ward off the ill effects, his rendition of "kolaru pathigam" is > > still a master piece to ward of all navagraha afflictions... > > > > Sri.Sankaracharya is definitely above all this people u quoted ... > > > > regards > > sriganeshh > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > this subject of predicting natural calamities with success keep > > > coming off and on and a thread follows for few days. > > > > > > here is what i observed based on facts: > > > > > > in the last five years, all astrologers and panchangakartas, in > > > thier zeal to find their place in the list of most successful > > > predictions, have started listing the following incidents for the > > > CHART OF THE COUNTRY I.E. INDIA: > > > > > > 1. heavy rains and floods cause damage to fields and property. > > > 2. some parts witness drought and famine. > > > 3. a national leader of repute passes away. > > > 4. the country progresses further in the technology (IT) field. > > > 5. more terrorist attacks happen in various parts of the country. > > > 6. new viral (air borne) diseases are expected to come from > > foreign > > > lands. > > > 7. india gets greater achiements in the sports arena. > > > 8. a leading film personality passes away. > > > 9. financial scams of large magnitude will be detected. > > > 10. a top politician will be indicted for corruption. > > > > > > as is simple common sense without any role of astrology, all the > > > above ten MACRO predictions keep happening in every country every > > > year. > > > > > > some astrolgoers intelligent enough to go to micro level by > > > suggesting direction based predictions but whenever an incident > > > happens, they boast themselves by stating that since the origin > of > > > the particular calamity is from this side, my prediction of a > > > calamity happening on the particular side predicted is true. > > > > > > forget about astrologers, there are so many godmen in this > country > > > at whose feet the top most ministers fall including the president > > > and prime minister e.g. kalki bhagwan, amma, saibaba, > > > shankaracharya, sriravishankar and many more. ALL THESE GODMEN > > WHO > > > ARE TREATED AS GODS OR KALKI AVATARS BY THEIR RESPECTIVE > FOLLOWERS > > > HAVE NEVER PREDICTED AND AVERTED ANY NATURAL CALAMITY. ALL THESE > > > GODMEN WERE SUCCESSFUL ONLY IN COLLECTING DONATIONS AFTER THE > > > CALAMITY AND VISIT THE DESTRUCTION PLACES AND DISTRIBUTE FOOD AND > > > CLOTHES AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEOS AND FURTHER USE THEM FOR > > > SELF PUBLICITY ACROSS THE GLOBE ONLY TO ATTRACT FURTHER DONATIONS. > > > > > > so my submission is that if godmen who are treatd as the kalki > > > avatar of the god have failed in predicting a natural calamity, > > how > > > can an ordinary astrologer predict. > > > > > > please correct me if any of you have found any godmen of these > > years > > > predicting an incident beforehand. > > > > > > in andhra pradesh, there used to live a saint called potuluri > > > veerabrahmam who was from a low caste and illiterate but he got > > > brahma jnan and predicted 1001 incidents that will happen in > > andhra > > > and all of them are happening. of course, like nostradamus he > too > > > did not give any dates. > > > > > > we are yet to see any godman, clairvoyant or an astrolgoer > > > predicting future incidents in advance for the country, > > specifically > > > natural calamities. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he > > may > > > try. > > > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > > > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge > > of > > > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I > > > mean > > > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just > like > > > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs > of > > > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and > nothing > > > is > > > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from > > > Him. > > > > > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth > > our > > > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake > > > before > > > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting > > before > > > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill > > many > > > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their > > > faith > > > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after > > > the > > > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement > > in > > > r- > > > > > scale is only 4.... > > > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my > > > friends, > > > > > who trust me.... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning > newspapers. > > > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to > > > Earth), > > > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him > > with > > > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the > > housewives > > > hand > > > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > > > > taking > > > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have > > > been > > > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > > > countries, > > > > > or > > > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this > > manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > > > Venketramani > > > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has > > > 70% > > > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another > the > > > > > last 2 > > > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > > predictions > > > > > lack > > > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams > predicitons > > > on > > > > > may > > > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > > > inprediciting > > > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 > > when > > > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > > > majority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about > the > > > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th > > he > > > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > > > > attack > > > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > > > > location > > > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day > > error > > > > > was > > > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > > > > inshifting > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen > to > > > the > > > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to > happen > > > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r > > > there > > > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > > > astologers > > > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp > > the > > > > > left > > > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > > > > > group but > > > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail > > or > > > > > phone. > > > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 dear ganeshji my inclusing of his holiness jagat guru adi shankaracharyaji name along with other kalki avataars is only to the extent of predicting natural calamities in advance (like the tsunami) and averting the loss of life instead of distributing blankets and food packets to the widows and children who lost their breadearning men, family, house, property and every thing. also this observatin of mine is not critical and is meant ONLY TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT THE ACTS OF GOD HAVE NOT BE STOPPED BY ANY GODMEN OF PRESENT DAYS. as regards the respect and reverence of the kanchi math, it is the most respected math in the country and has its own colleges, schools, hospitals and free vedic teaching institutions and various temples. no brahmin from south india can ever forget the great contribution this great math has done to the country. please take my observation only to the extent of not predicting the natural disasters and calamities in advance and averting loss of life. with best wishes pandit arjun , "sriganeshh" <sriganeshh wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > When we write the name shankaracharya, it refers to peetam and one > has to be very careful as he is most respected and widely followed > spiritual leader in india. Even the present one has done many good > deeds that because of him, the spiritual movement in tamilnadu > survived otherwise in the hands of dravidian movement, it would have > died long back...again if you see the year of raising, it is 1966. > > It is easy to write critisizing mails about gods and god men,but > before doing that, achieve something good as all these have done > (positive actions)and then critisize...otherwise i am sure it will > be negative action and all the accrued punyas will vanish in thin > air.... > > regards > sriganeshh > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear SriGaneshji, > > > > I am sure he did not mean the previous ones,but only the recent > one > > because of involvement. > > > > Astrologically, all 7 planets in any one Bhava, is one of the > Sankhya > > Yogas and known as Gol Yoga. > > Results for above yoga- malicious, stupid,undesirable activities, > > scourge to society, indolent and nomadic. > > > > In fact there is a inside truth that already one Anti-Christ person > > has been born in the world on 05-02-1962, but who is he, I > > think only the Satan would know,or his followers would know ? > > > > I just remembered the above Yoga after reading your post, so > > thought let me share this with you. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , "sriganeshh" > > <sriganeshh@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjunji,, > > > > > > > > > while i really appreciate ur facts based mail post, it is very > sad > > > that u took shankaracharya name in that....may be the recent > events > > > made you to believe and it may at best be yours personal view.... > > > > > > But you must be aware that kanchi chandrasekara saraswathi > > swamigal, > > > the earlier peetadhipathy of kanchi mutt is great astrologer > > himself > > > and he performed many many miracles in the lives of many > many...he > > > is almost considered as reavatar of adi shankaracharya... > > > he predicted all the events including the one which is going to > > rock > > > the peetam itself but still sometimes there are valid reasons to > > > stop intervening in the cosmic activity. > > > > > > I am not aware of the situation prevailed in 1966 when all the > > > planets seems to be in one house or one rekha as they call > it..but > > > to ward off the ill effects, his rendition of "kolaru pathigam" > is > > > still a master piece to ward of all navagraha afflictions... > > > > > > Sri.Sankaracharya is definitely above all this people u > quoted ... > > > > > > regards > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > this subject of predicting natural calamities with success > keep > > > > coming off and on and a thread follows for few days. > > > > > > > > here is what i observed based on facts: > > > > > > > > in the last five years, all astrologers and panchangakartas, > in > > > > thier zeal to find their place in the list of most successful > > > > predictions, have started listing the following incidents for > the > > > > CHART OF THE COUNTRY I.E. INDIA: > > > > > > > > 1. heavy rains and floods cause damage to fields and property. > > > > 2. some parts witness drought and famine. > > > > 3. a national leader of repute passes away. > > > > 4. the country progresses further in the technology (IT) field. > > > > 5. more terrorist attacks happen in various parts of the > country. > > > > 6. new viral (air borne) diseases are expected to come from > > > foreign > > > > lands. > > > > 7. india gets greater achiements in the sports arena. > > > > 8. a leading film personality passes away. > > > > 9. financial scams of large magnitude will be detected. > > > > 10. a top politician will be indicted for corruption. > > > > > > > > as is simple common sense without any role of astrology, all > the > > > > above ten MACRO predictions keep happening in every country > every > > > > year. > > > > > > > > some astrolgoers intelligent enough to go to micro level by > > > > suggesting direction based predictions but whenever an > incident > > > > happens, they boast themselves by stating that since the > origin > > of > > > > the particular calamity is from this side, my prediction of a > > > > calamity happening on the particular side predicted is true. > > > > > > > > forget about astrologers, there are so many godmen in this > > country > > > > at whose feet the top most ministers fall including the > president > > > > and prime minister e.g. kalki bhagwan, amma, saibaba, > > > > shankaracharya, sriravishankar and many more. ALL THESE > GODMEN > > > WHO > > > > ARE TREATED AS GODS OR KALKI AVATARS BY THEIR RESPECTIVE > > FOLLOWERS > > > > HAVE NEVER PREDICTED AND AVERTED ANY NATURAL CALAMITY. ALL > THESE > > > > GODMEN WERE SUCCESSFUL ONLY IN COLLECTING DONATIONS AFTER THE > > > > CALAMITY AND VISIT THE DESTRUCTION PLACES AND DISTRIBUTE FOOD > AND > > > > CLOTHES AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEOS AND FURTHER USE THEM > FOR > > > > SELF PUBLICITY ACROSS THE GLOBE ONLY TO ATTRACT FURTHER > DONATIONS. > > > > > > > > so my submission is that if godmen who are treatd as the kalki > > > > avatar of the god have failed in predicting a natural > calamity, > > > how > > > > can an ordinary astrologer predict. > > > > > > > > please correct me if any of you have found any godmen of these > > > years > > > > predicting an incident beforehand. > > > > > > > > in andhra pradesh, there used to live a saint called potuluri > > > > veerabrahmam who was from a low caste and illiterate but he > got > > > > brahma jnan and predicted 1001 incidents that will happen in > > > andhra > > > > and all of them are happening. of course, like nostradamus he > > too > > > > did not give any dates. > > > > > > > > we are yet to see any godman, clairvoyant or an astrolgoer > > > > predicting future incidents in advance for the country, > > > specifically > > > > natural calamities. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > > > > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > > > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way > he > > > may > > > > try. > > > > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared > from > > > > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get > foreknowledge > > > of > > > > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from > God, I > > > > mean > > > > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just > > like > > > > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and > lakhs > > of > > > > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and > > nothing > > > > is > > > > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible > from > > > > Him. > > > > > > > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to > mouth > > > our > > > > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and > earthquake > > > > before > > > > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting > > > before > > > > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to > kill > > > many > > > > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose > their > > > > faith > > > > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided- sword. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's > lunar > > > > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as > after > > > > the > > > > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the > measurement > > > in > > > > r- > > > > > > scale is only 4.... > > > > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my > > > > friends, > > > > > > who trust me.... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning > > newspapers. > > > > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one > line. > > > > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to > > > > Earth), > > > > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate > him > > > with > > > > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the > > > housewives > > > > hand > > > > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as > Ganeshji > > > > > taking > > > > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems > have > > > > been > > > > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > > > > countries, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this > > > manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar > G B > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > > > > Venketramani > > > > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors > has > > > > 70% > > > > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another > > the > > > > > > last 2 > > > > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > > > predictions > > > > > > lack > > > > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams > > predicitons > > > > on > > > > > > may > > > > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited > collection. > > > > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > > > > inprediciting > > > > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in > 71 > > > when > > > > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > > > > majority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about > > the > > > > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on > 7th > > > he > > > > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major > terrorist > > > > > > attack > > > > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > > > > > location > > > > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day > > > error > > > > > > was > > > > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend > millions > > > > > > inshifting > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they > happen > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as > precautonary > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to > > happen > > > > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake > r > > > > there > > > > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > > > > astologers > > > > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. > esp > > > the > > > > > > left > > > > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > > > > > > > group but > > > > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > mail > > > or > > > > > > phone. > > > > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal > ID > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Prafulla, predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western astrology uses fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and its effect a collection of them are needed just like how we have a leader, king, don, CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too our evil time we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, tragedy etc. the Samohika karmaphala I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya here sotme back in short again here when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala hills a bus skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail end of the ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus more on the edge could have taken all down but some how it got help and was pulled out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all the piligrims in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, karma that he will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man alike and his good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 yrs later became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so far, noow called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the one more accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged even Jayednra saraswathi in to its web. so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung us can destroy us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future lives if anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor good and bad that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to 80-85% max rest is god's will... Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Bhaskar ji, Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature (whether for mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial measure? Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about it), in my view - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet the uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it uncertain !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic patterns, so that native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or say awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. mukti from the life/death cycle). On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of remedial issues for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic purpose of jyotish. regards / Prafulla , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Shri Jagdishji, > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > like to answer it., in short. > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may try. > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I mean > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing is > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from Him. > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth our > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ji > > > > Greetings > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake before > hand through astrologers. > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting before > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their faith > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > Any comments ? > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after the > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in r- > > scale is only 4.... > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my friends, > > who trust me.... > > Regards, > > Gaurav > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives hand > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > taking > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > countries, > > or > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > Venketramani > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > last 2 > > > strong leftists. > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > > lack > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on > > may > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > inprediciting > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper majority. > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > attack > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > location > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > > was > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > inshifting > > > people > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > astologers > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > > left > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > group but > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > phone. > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of Bhaskar ji). It was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could change? - So I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic (will happen for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he wondered, why not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for dharma and moksha kona? regards / Prafulla Gang Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not the purpose. ************************************************ > > gbp_kumar > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > Prafulla, > predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western astrology uses > fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and its effect a > collection of them are needed just like how we have a leader, king, don, > CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too our evil time > we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, tragedy etc. > the Samohika karmaphala > > I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya here sotme back > > in short again here > when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala hills a bus > skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail end of the > ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus more on the > edge could have taken all down but some how it got help and was pulled > out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all the piligrims > in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, karma that he > will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man alike and his > good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 yrs later > became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so far, noow > called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the one more > accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged even Jayednra > saraswathi in to its web. > > so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung us can destroy > us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future lives if > anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor good and bad > that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to 80-85% max rest > is god's will.. > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature (whether for > mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial measure? > > Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about it), in my view > - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet the > uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it uncertain > !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic patterns, so that > native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or say > awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. mukti from the > life/death cycle). > > On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of remedial issues > for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic purpose of jyotish. > > regards / Prafulla > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may > try. > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I mean > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing is > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from Him. > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth our > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake before > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting before > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their faith > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after the > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in r- > > > scale is only 4.... > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my friends, > > > who trust me.... > > > Regards, > > > Gaurav > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives > hand > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > > taking > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > countries, > > > or > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > Venketramani > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > > last 2 > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > > > lack > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on > > > may > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > inprediciting > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > majority. > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > > attack > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > > location > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > > > was > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > > inshifting > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > astologers > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > > > left > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > group but > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > > phone. > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Shri Prafullaji, Gods desire, as I learnt from exalted souls, keeps on fluctuating as per mass new karmas of people all around in the world. He is too merciful to allow extermination of a large number of humans at a single time or shot. In case of mass killings individual charts cease to work or have their effects,except if a exalted soul is in midst as Prashantji mentioned. Whenever too much of evil is being done by people on earth, then the desire to remove the weight on Earth, comes in Gods mind, this is what I understood. This happens in a cycle of ... years , when the axis of the Earth shifts,in major gigantic forms also when Pralaya, or when total creation is submerged in water (Noahs Ark) and recreated again. In these solitary cases such as terrorism, tsunami, (Solitary means periodcially at different regions ), do also ,part a plan of removing the weight , to mantain the balance on Earth. Unfortunately when retribution in these forms comes even the innocents at times come under the siege, just like a insect who comes by mistake in the grinding wheel, along with the grain or husk. God does not have any problem with any human being as such, just like the Sun does not have any qualms with anyone. It shines equally on a saint and on a sinner. But the nature has been given this work., and we all fall under the category where Nature deals with our positives and negatives and rewards or punishes accordingly. As regards to astrology,we just have to worry that we dont fall in the crowd which comes in the extermination category, and continue with the belief in astrology and its remedial measures. For Not to fall in the category mentioned, apart from remedial measures which will make our individual life better in the departments which we want,...................... we also have to.............. go few steps forward and become better human beings, more saintly or less sinners, this time the remedial measures would not be aimed at ones own self but selfless, so that when the time comes for extermination, due to being extremely good, we are automatically transferred by fate to some other area, and thus be saved. I am sorry this may sound like preaching or pravachan, but I have no other way of explaining, regards, Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of Bhaskar ji). It was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could change? - So I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic (will happen for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. > > Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he wondered, why not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for dharma and moksha kona? > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not the purpose. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > > > Prafulla, > > predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western astrology uses > > fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and its effect a > > collection of them are needed just like how we have a leader, king, don, > > CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too our evil time > > we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, tragedy etc. > > the Samohika karmaphala > > > > I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya here sotme back > > > > in short again here > > when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala hills a bus > > skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail end of the > > ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus more on the > > edge could have taken all down but some how it got help and was pulled > > out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all the piligrims > > in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, karma that he > > will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man alike and his > > good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 yrs later > > became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so far, noow > > called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the one more > > accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged even Jayednra > > saraswathi in to its web. > > > > so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung us can destroy > > us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future lives if > > anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor good and bad > > that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to 80-85% max rest > > is god's will.. > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature (whether for > > mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial measure? > > > > Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about it), in my view > > - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet the > > uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it uncertain > > !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic patterns, so that > > native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or say > > awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. mukti from the > > life/death cycle). > > > > On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of remedial issues > > for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic purpose of jyotish. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may > > try. > > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of > > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I mean > > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing is > > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from Him. > > > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth our > > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake before > > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting before > > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many > > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their faith > > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after the > > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in r- > > > > scale is only 4.... > > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my friends, > > > > who trust me.... > > > > Regards, > > > > Gaurav > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), > > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives > > hand > > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > > > taking > > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been > > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > > countries, > > > > or > > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > > Venketramani > > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% > > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > > > last 2 > > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > > > > lack > > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on > > > > may > > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > > inprediciting > > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > > majority. > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > > > attack > > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > > > location > > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > > > > was > > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > > > inshifting > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the > > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there > > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > > astologers > > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > > > > left > > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > > > group but > > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > > > phone. > > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 I thoroughly enjoyed it !! I was not questioning god's might - but the helplessness of human beings and jyotish. >From our religious backgrounds - we have always correlated future to God - in some form or other !! regards / Prafulla Gang Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not the purpose. ************************************************** > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:31:10 -0000 > > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > Shri Prafullaji, > > Gods desire, as I learnt from exalted souls, keeps on fluctuating > as per mass new karmas of people all around in the world. He > is too merciful to allow extermination of a large number of humans at > a single time or shot. In case of mass killings individual > charts cease to work or have their effects,except if a exalted soul > is in midst as Prashantji mentioned. Whenever too much of > evil is being done by people on earth, then the desire to > remove the weight on Earth, comes in Gods mind, this is what > I understood. This happens in a cycle of ... years , when the > axis of the Earth shifts,in major gigantic forms also when Pralaya, > or when total creation is submerged in water (Noahs Ark) and > recreated again. > > In these solitary cases such as terrorism, tsunami, (Solitary means > periodcially at different regions ), do also ,part a plan of > removing the weight , to mantain the balance on Earth. > > Unfortunately when retribution in these forms comes even the > innocents at times come under the siege, just like a insect who comes > by mistake in the grinding wheel, along with the grain or husk. > > God does not have any problem with any human being as such, just > like the Sun does not have any qualms with anyone. It shines equally > on a saint and on a sinner. But the nature has been given this work., > and we all fall under the category where Nature deals with our > positives and negatives and rewards or punishes accordingly. > > As regards to astrology,we just have to worry that we dont fall in > the crowd which comes in the extermination category, and > continue with the belief in astrology and its remedial measures. > For Not to fall in the category mentioned, apart from remedial > measures which will make our individual life better in the departments > which we want,...................... we also have to.............. > go few steps forward and become better human beings, more saintly or > less sinners, this time the remedial measures would not be > aimed at ones own self but selfless, so that when the time comes > for extermination, due to being extremely good, we are automatically > transferred by fate to some other area, and thus be saved. > > I am sorry this may sound like preaching or pravachan, but I have no > other way of explaining, > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, >> >> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of Bhaskar ji). It > was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could change? - So > I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic (will happen > for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. >> >> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he wondered, why > not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for dharma and > moksha kona? >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > result but not the purpose. >> >> ************************************************ >> >> >>> >>> gbp_kumar >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 >>> >>> Prafulla, >>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western > astrology uses >>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and its > effect a >>> collection of them are needed just like how we have a leader, > king, don, >>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too our > evil time >>> we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, > tragedy etc. >>> the Samohika karmaphala >>> >>> I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya here > sotme back >>> >>> in short again here >>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala hills a > bus >>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail end of the >>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus more on > the >>> edge could have taken all down but some how it got help and was > pulled >>> out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all the > piligrims >>> in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, karma > that he >>> will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man alike > and his >>> good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 yrs > later >>> became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so far, > noow >>> called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the one more >>> accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged even > Jayednra >>> saraswathi in to its web. >>> >>> so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung us can > destroy >>> us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future lives if >>> anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor good and > bad >>> that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to 80-85% > max rest >>> is god's will.. >>> >>> >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: >>> Dear Bhaskar ji, >>> >>> Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature > (whether for >>> mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial measure? >>> >>> Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about it), in > my view >>> - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet the >>> uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it > uncertain >>> !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic patterns, > so that >>> native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or say >>> awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. mukti > from the >>> life/death cycle). >>> >>> On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of remedial > issues >>> for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic purpose of > jyotish. >>> >>> regards / Prafulla >>> >>> , "Bhaskar" >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>> > >>> > Shri Jagdishji, >>> > >>> > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly >>> > like to answer it., in short. >>> > >>> > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he > may >>> try. >>> > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared > from >>> > earth, he would not allow any human being to get > foreknowledge of >>> > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, > I mean >>> > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just > like >>> > a big server has control over thousands of computers and > lakhs of >>> > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and > nothing is >>> > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible > from Him. >>> > >>> > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to > mouth our >>> > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. >>> > >>> > regards, >>> > Bhaskar. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > , Prathamesn Chawan >>> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Dear Ji >>> > > >>> > > Greetings >>> > > >>> > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake > before >>> > hand through astrologers. >>> > > >>> > > Now there are two possabilities. >>> > > >>> > > 1) Prediction went right >>> > > >>> > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting > before >>> > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill > many >>> > people by these natural disasters ? >>> > > >>> > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > 2) Prediction went wrong >>> > > >>> > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their > faith >>> > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. >>> > > >>> > > Any comments ? >>> > > >>> > > Jagdish >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > <gg_0202@> wrote: >>> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| >>> > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, >>> > > >>> > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading >>> > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar >>> > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as > after the >>> > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... >>> > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the > measurement in r- >>> > > scale is only 4.... >>> > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my > friends, >>> > > who trust me.... >>> > > Regards, >>> > > Gaurav >>> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com >>> > > >>> > > , "Bhaskar" >>> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, >>> > > > >>> > > > Namaste. >>> > > > >>> > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning > newspapers. >>> > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he >>> > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one > line. >>> > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. >>> > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed >>> > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to > Earth), >>> > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate > him with >>> > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for >>> > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different >>> > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the > housewives >>> hand >>> > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another > way. >>> > > > >>> > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as > Ganeshji >>> > taking >>> > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems > have been >>> > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by >>> > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign >>> > countries, >>> > > or >>> > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this > manner. >>> > > > >>> > > > regards, >>> > > > >>> > > > Bhaskar. >>> > > > >>> > > > regards, >>> > > > Bhaskar. >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > , Prashant Kumar G > B >>> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Readers, >>> > > > > >>> > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, >>> > > Venketramani >>> > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors > has 70% >>> > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another > the >>> > > last 2 >>> > > > strong leftists. >>> > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk > astrology >>> > > > > >>> > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > predictions >>> > > lack >>> > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams > predicitons on >>> > > may >>> > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited > collection. >>> > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed >>> > > inprediciting >>> > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 > when >>> > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper >>> majority. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about > the >>> > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on > 7th he >>> > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major > terrorist >>> > > attack >>> > > > will happen near a religious place >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak >>> > > location >>> > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day > error >>> > > was >>> > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions >>> > > inshifting >>> > > > people >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen > to the >>> > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary > too. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to > happen >>> > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r > there >>> > > > astrologically. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > TIME WILL TELL >>> > > > > >>> > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for >>> > > astologers >>> > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp > the >>> > > left >>> > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Prashantkumar G B >>> > > > > >>> > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>> > > >>> > > > group but >>> > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > mail or >>> > > phone. >>> > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID > also >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>> > > > > 09840051861 >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Sir, I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the prediction given to a new/little old born childs parents, would be fatilistic, and all would have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but in case when you see a native with impending heart problems, or Shani sade sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach would turn into a saviour for these natives and help and prepare them by way of starting remedial measures, much before the incident would happen, and thus reduce the impact.This is with reference to astrology. regards, Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of Bhaskar ji). It was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could change? - So I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic (will happen for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. > > Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he wondered, why not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for dharma and moksha kona? > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not the purpose. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > > > Prafulla, > > predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western astrology uses > > fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and its effect a > > collection of them are needed just like how we have a leader, king, don, > > CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too our evil time > > we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, tragedy etc. > > the Samohika karmaphala > > > > I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya here sotme back > > > > in short again here > > when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala hills a bus > > skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail end of the > > ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus more on the > > edge could have taken all down but some how it got help and was pulled > > out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all the piligrims > > in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, karma that he > > will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man alike and his > > good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 yrs later > > became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so far, noow > > called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the one more > > accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged even Jayednra > > saraswathi in to its web. > > > > so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung us can destroy > > us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future lives if > > anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor good and bad > > that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to 80-85% max rest > > is god's will.. > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature (whether for > > mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial measure? > > > > Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about it), in my view > > - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet the > > uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it uncertain > > !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic patterns, so that > > native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or say > > awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. mukti from the > > life/death cycle). > > > > On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of remedial issues > > for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic purpose of jyotish. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may > > try. > > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of > > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I mean > > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing is > > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from Him. > > > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth our > > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake before > > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting before > > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many > > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their faith > > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after the > > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in r- > > > > scale is only 4.... > > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my friends, > > > > who trust me.... > > > > Regards, > > > > Gaurav > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to Earth), > > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives > > hand > > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > > > taking > > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have been > > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > > countries, > > > > or > > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > > Venketramani > > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has 70% > > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > > > last 2 > > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > > > > lack > > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons on > > > > may > > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > > inprediciting > > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > > majority. > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > > > attack > > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > > > location > > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > > > > was > > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > > > inshifting > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to the > > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r there > > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > > astologers > > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > > > > left > > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > > > group but > > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > > > phone. > > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Dear Shri Kumar ji, We all human beings live on perceptions and perception may not be reality. Any opinion for/against anyone does not matter in broader terms. How is anyone affected by criticism ..do you think Saibaba / SS Ravi / Shrankacharya are bothered by our praise or criticism. Or for that matter - by any one ? No..just like socrates was not interested . A small story - with multiple tangents (from the perception one is reading it) - a little humur (please do not corelate this with shrankacharya / Saibaba or any person in the thread) **quote** In ancient Greece, Socrates was reputed to hold knowledge in high esteem. One day an acquaintance came upon the great philosopher and said, "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about your friend?" "Hold on a minute," Socrates replied. "Before telling me anything I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test." "Triple filter test?" "That's right," Socrates continued. "Before you talk to me about my friend, let's take a moment and filter what you're going to say. The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?" "No," the man said, "actually I just heard about it and..." "All right," said Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my friend something good?" "No, on the contrary..." "So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him, and you're not certain it's true. You may still pass the test though, because there's one filter left: the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my friend going to be useful to me?" "No, not really." "Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither true nor good nor even useful, why tell it to me at all?" This meyhod of thought is why Socrates is considered one of the greatest philosophers ever documented. and held in such high esteem. It also explains why he never found out his best friend was screwing his wife. ** end quote ** regards / Prafulla Gang Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not the purpose. ************************************************** > > gbp_kumar > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:19:54 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 > > Rev Father Arjjun, > > Which church do u belong to. > > I am sorry for so saying as some god men r there who exploited the > gullible. > the 3 who we can discount from them are Satya sai Baba and Mata > Amrutanandamayi, Ravi shankar all truly secular too have done > philanthropic work than anyone of the missionaries who are plush with > money. > > AND WHY MUST GOD MEN save, save lives? in calamities how can they over > rule nature or gods will. > if they failed to provide relief, comfort we can surely complain, > > satya sai Baba free for all state-of-the-art super specialty hospital > a with best care in the world all free just enter the registration area > at 7 am and rest u r taken care off til then end FREE, no fear or favor > works, all serve there a s god itself, the only problem is that they > care for the living not the dying. that is bread winners of the family > 15-65 if there is time do care for others too, diagnosis for all is > done treatment only 1st for above group. > > not a word is ever said By anyone and worse even cherish one alive who > came here and set up a missionary by splitting for the main one did they > don't do good work then and what did mission do to gives its founder a > Nobel prize just catered for 40,000 people dying on the foot path, > 29000/40000 died in days rest within a week.ha must not forget baptized > before that mostly poor Muslims for Bangladesh. > > My point is more that there are good men bad men all over so lets not > bruish them in one stroke, one color either. > > we must see if the ones ulisted are doign any good work, whatever if > they get 1 crore let them spend at least 75 laks and enjoy 25 laks of > comfort, which politicinas will use 99laks in such cases.. > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: > dear friends > > this subject of predicting natural calamities with success keep > coming off and on and a thread follows for few days. > > here is what i observed based on facts: > > in the last five years, all astrologers and panchangakartas, in > thier zeal to find their place in the list of most successful > predictions, have started listing the following incidents for the > CHART OF THE COUNTRY I.E. INDIA: > > 1. heavy rains and floods cause damage to fields and property. > 2. some parts witness drought and famine. > 3. a national leader of repute passes away. > 4. the country progresses further in the technology (IT) field. > 5. more terrorist attacks happen in various parts of the country. > 6. new viral (air borne) diseases are expected to come from foreign > lands. > 7. india gets greater achiements in the sports arena. > 8. a leading film personality passes away. > 9. financial scams of large magnitude will be detected. > 10. a top politician will be indicted for corruption. > > as is simple common sense without any role of astrology, all the > above ten MACRO predictions keep happening in every country every > year. > > some astrolgoers intelligent enough to go to micro level by > suggesting direction based predictions but whenever an incident > happens, they boast themselves by stating that since the origin of > the particular calamity is from this side, my prediction of a > calamity happening on the particular side predicted is true. > > forget about astrologers, there are so many godmen in this country > at whose feet the top most ministers fall including the president > and prime minister e.g. kalki bhagwan, amma, saibaba, > shankaracharya, sriravishankar and many more. ALL THESE GODMEN WHO > ARE TREATED AS GODS OR KALKI AVATARS BY THEIR RESPECTIVE FOLLOWERS > HAVE NEVER PREDICTED AND AVERTED ANY NATURAL CALAMITY. ALL THESE > GODMEN WERE SUCCESSFUL ONLY IN COLLECTING DONATIONS AFTER THE > CALAMITY AND VISIT THE DESTRUCTION PLACES AND DISTRIBUTE FOOD AND > CLOTHES AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEOS AND FURTHER USE THEM FOR > SELF PUBLICITY ACROSS THE GLOBE ONLY TO ATTRACT FURTHER DONATIONS. > > so my submission is that if godmen who are treatd as the kalki > avatar of the god have failed in predicting a natural calamity, how > can an ordinary astrologer predict. > > please correct me if any of you have found any godmen of these years > predicting an incident beforehand. > > in andhra pradesh, there used to live a saint called potuluri > veerabrahmam who was from a low caste and illiterate but he got > brahma jnan and predicted 1001 incidents that will happen in andhra > and all of them are happening. of course, like nostradamus he too > did not give any dates. > > we are yet to see any godman, clairvoyant or an astrolgoer > predicting future incidents in advance for the country, specifically > natural calamities. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Shri Jagdishji, > > > > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > like to answer it., in short. > > > > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he may > try. > > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared from > > earth, he would not allow any human being to get foreknowledge of > > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, I > mean > > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just like > > a big server has control over thousands of computers and lakhs of > > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and nothing > is > > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible from > Him. > > > > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to mouth our > > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ji > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake > before > > hand through astrologers. > > > > > > Now there are two possabilities. > > > > > > 1) Prediction went right > > > > > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting before > > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill many > > people by these natural disasters ? > > > > > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > > > > > > > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > > > > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their > faith > > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > > > > > > > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > > > > > > Any comments ? > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > > > > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as after > the > > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the measurement in > r- > > > scale is only 4.... > > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my > friends, > > > who trust me.... > > > Regards, > > > Gaurav > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning newspapers. > > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one line. > > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to > Earth), > > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate him with > > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the housewives > hand > > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another way. > > > > > > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as Ganeshji > > taking > > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems have > been > > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > countries, > > > or > > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this manner. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Readers, > > > > > > > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > > Venketramani > > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors has > 70% > > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another the > > > last 2 > > > > strong leftists. > > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk astrology > > > > > > > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed predictions > > > lack > > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams predicitons > on > > > may > > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited collection. > > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > > inprediciting > > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 when > > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > majority. > > > > > > > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about the > > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on 7th he > > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major terrorist > > > attack > > > > will happen near a religious place > > > > > > > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > > location > > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day error > > > was > > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > > > inshifting > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen to > the > > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary too. > > > > > > > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to happen > > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r > there > > > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > > > > > > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > > astologers > > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp the > > > left > > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > > > > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > > > > > group but > > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > > phone. > > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > > > > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > > > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Great note. I referred a very interesteing note by Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why Sage Parashar did not include them for his remedial prescription. Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our greater insight into jyotish - but are our remedial patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per jyotish objective). We all (including me) do prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. regards / Prafulla Gang Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not the purpose. ************************************************ > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > Sir, > > I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the prediction given to a > new/little old born childs parents, would be fatilistic, and all would > have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but in case > when you see a native with impending heart problems, or Shani sade > sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach would turn into a saviour > for these natives and help and prepare them by way of > starting remedial measures, much before the incident would happen, > and thus reduce the impact.This is with reference to astrology. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, >> >> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of Bhaskar ji). It > was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could change? - So > I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic (will happen > for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. >> >> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he wondered, why > not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for dharma and > moksha kona? >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > result but not the purpose. >> >> ************************************************ >> >> >>> >>> gbp_kumar >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 >>> >>> Prafulla, >>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western > astrology uses >>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and its > effect a >>> collection of them are needed just like how we have a leader, > king, don, >>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too our > evil time >>> we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, > tragedy etc. >>> the Samohika karmaphala >>> >>> I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya here > sotme back >>> >>> in short again here >>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala hills a > bus >>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail end of the >>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus more on > the >>> edge could have taken all down but some how it got help and was > pulled >>> out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all the > piligrims >>> in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, karma > that he >>> will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man alike > and his >>> good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 yrs > later >>> became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so far, > noow >>> called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the one more >>> accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged even > Jayednra >>> saraswathi in to its web. >>> >>> so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung us can > destroy >>> us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future lives if >>> anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor good and > bad >>> that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to 80-85% > max rest >>> is god's will.. >>> >>> >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: >>> Dear Bhaskar ji, >>> >>> Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature > (whether for >>> mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial measure? >>> >>> Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about it), in > my view >>> - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet the >>> uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it > uncertain >>> !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic patterns, > so that >>> native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or say >>> awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. mukti > from the >>> life/death cycle). >>> >>> On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of remedial > issues >>> for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic purpose of > jyotish. >>> >>> regards / Prafulla >>> >>> , "Bhaskar" >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>> > >>> > Shri Jagdishji, >>> > >>> > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly >>> > like to answer it., in short. >>> > >>> > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he > may >>> try. >>> > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared > from >>> > earth, he would not allow any human being to get > foreknowledge of >>> > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, > I mean >>> > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just > like >>> > a big server has control over thousands of computers and > lakhs of >>> > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and > nothing is >>> > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible > from Him. >>> > >>> > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to > mouth our >>> > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. >>> > >>> > regards, >>> > Bhaskar. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > , Prathamesn Chawan >>> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Dear Ji >>> > > >>> > > Greetings >>> > > >>> > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake > before >>> > hand through astrologers. >>> > > >>> > > Now there are two possabilities. >>> > > >>> > > 1) Prediction went right >>> > > >>> > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting > before >>> > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill > many >>> > people by these natural disasters ? >>> > > >>> > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > 2) Prediction went wrong >>> > > >>> > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their > faith >>> > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. >>> > > >>> > > Any comments ? >>> > > >>> > > Jagdish >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > <gg_0202@> wrote: >>> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| >>> > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, >>> > > >>> > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading >>> > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar >>> > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as > after the >>> > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... >>> > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the > measurement in r- >>> > > scale is only 4.... >>> > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my > friends, >>> > > who trust me.... >>> > > Regards, >>> > > Gaurav >>> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com >>> > > >>> > > , "Bhaskar" >>> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, >>> > > > >>> > > > Namaste. >>> > > > >>> > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning > newspapers. >>> > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he >>> > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one > line. >>> > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. >>> > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed >>> > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to > Earth), >>> > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate > him with >>> > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for >>> > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different >>> > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the > housewives >>> hand >>> > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another > way. >>> > > > >>> > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as > Ganeshji >>> > taking >>> > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems > have been >>> > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by >>> > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign >>> > countries, >>> > > or >>> > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this > manner. >>> > > > >>> > > > regards, >>> > > > >>> > > > Bhaskar. >>> > > > >>> > > > regards, >>> > > > Bhaskar. >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > , Prashant Kumar G > B >>> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Readers, >>> > > > > >>> > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, >>> > > Venketramani >>> > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors > has 70% >>> > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another > the >>> > > last 2 >>> > > > strong leftists. >>> > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk > astrology >>> > > > > >>> > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > predictions >>> > > lack >>> > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams > predicitons on >>> > > may >>> > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited > collection. >>> > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed >>> > > inprediciting >>> > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 > when >>> > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper >>> majority. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about > the >>> > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on > 7th he >>> > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major > terrorist >>> > > attack >>> > > > will happen near a religious place >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak >>> > > location >>> > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day > error >>> > > was >>> > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions >>> > > inshifting >>> > > > people >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen > to the >>> > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary > too. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to > happen >>> > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r > there >>> > > > astrologically. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > TIME WILL TELL >>> > > > > >>> > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for >>> > > astologers >>> > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp > the >>> > > left >>> > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Prashantkumar G B >>> > > > > >>> > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>> > > >>> > > > group but >>> > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > mail or >>> > > phone. >>> > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID > also >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>> > > > > 09840051861 >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Sir, about 3,6,10 and 11 I did not understand actually what remedial measures need to be mentioned. 11th itself is a remedy for bad health. So is the 5th house considering the 6th for disease. 11th is a very good house for the Lagna Lord to be placed in (Health and wealth both plus succes plus daughters marriage), 6th is a good house to receive payments from business customers, also for Bank Loans. Three is not bad except for studies, domestic happiness or vehicles. 10th is good for new professions, to become famous personality etc. actually all are good.I dont see any of them as bad houses, neither 6,8 or 12 too I see as bad if taken as a birds eyeview. (Except when I see my own horoscope my views would be different naturally). Goo cannot co-exist without bad. How will a person know the meaning of good if he has not seen bad, or meaning of light if he has not seen darkness . Remedial measures by Parashar maharaj are meant in entirety if we read the passages for every Mahadsha and antar dasha, we will find him giving results for placement of the Mahadash and antar lord vis a visa to each other in various houses and also their effects good or bad are definitely mentioned. At the end of these passages he has given the remedies (In 4 shlokas, the last shloka containing the remedial measure), so when he mentiones - to reduce the ill effects of this antar do this or that, he has already taken the effects of placement of planets in 3,6,10 and 11. The Rishis of yore will never leave anything for us to search for in air, at the same time neither truths would be blatantly revealed, to fall in any persons hands where it would not be intended to. regards, bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Great note. I referred a very interesteing note by Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why Sage Parashar did not include them for his remedial prescription. > > Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our greater insight into jyotish - but are our remedial patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per jyotish objective). We all (including me) do prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a result but not the purpose. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > > > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > > > Sir, > > > > I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the prediction given to a > > new/little old born childs parents, would be fatilistic, and all would > > have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but in case > > when you see a native with impending heart problems, or Shani sade > > sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach would turn into a saviour > > for these natives and help and prepare them by way of > > starting remedial measures, much before the incident would happen, > > and thus reduce the impact.This is with reference to astrology. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > >> > >> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of Bhaskar ji). It > > was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could change? - So > > I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic (will happen > > for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. > >> > >> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he wondered, why > > not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for dharma and > > moksha kona? > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do > > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- > > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > result but not the purpose. > >> > >> ************************************************ > >> > >> > >>> > >>> gbp_kumar@ > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > >>> > >>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > >>> > >>> Prafulla, > >>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western > > astrology uses > >>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and its > > effect a > >>> collection of them are needed just like how we have a leader, > > king, don, > >>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too our > > evil time > >>> we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, > > tragedy etc. > >>> the Samohika karmaphala > >>> > >>> I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya here > > sotme back > >>> > >>> in short again here > >>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala hills a > > bus > >>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail end of the > >>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus more on > > the > >>> edge could have taken all down but some how it got help and was > > pulled > >>> out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all the > > piligrims > >>> in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, karma > > that he > >>> will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man alike > > and his > >>> good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 yrs > > later > >>> became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so far, > > noow > >>> called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the one more > >>> accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged even > > Jayednra > >>> saraswathi in to its web. > >>> > >>> so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung us can > > destroy > >>> us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future lives if > >>> anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor good and > > bad > >>> that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to 80-85% > > max rest > >>> is god's will.. > >>> > >>> > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji, > >>> > >>> Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature > > (whether for > >>> mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial measure? > >>> > >>> Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about it), in > > my view > >>> - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet the > >>> uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it > > uncertain > >>> !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic patterns, > > so that > >>> native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or say > >>> awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. mukti > > from the > >>> life/death cycle). > >>> > >>> On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of remedial > > issues > >>> for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic purpose of > > jyotish. > >>> > >>> regards / Prafulla > >>> > >>> , "Bhaskar" > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Shri Jagdishji, > >>> > > >>> > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > >>> > like to answer it., in short. > >>> > > >>> > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way he > > may > >>> try. > >>> > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared > > from > >>> > earth, he would not allow any human being to get > > foreknowledge of > >>> > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from God, > > I mean > >>> > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just > > like > >>> > a big server has control over thousands of computers and > > lakhs of > >>> > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and > > nothing is > >>> > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible > > from Him. > >>> > > >>> > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to > > mouth our > >>> > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > >>> > > >>> > regards, > >>> > Bhaskar. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > , Prathamesn Chawan > >>> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Ji > >>> > > > >>> > > Greetings > >>> > > > >>> > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and earthquake > > before > >>> > hand through astrologers. > >>> > > > >>> > > Now there are two possabilities. > >>> > > > >>> > > 1) Prediction went right > >>> > > > >>> > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting > > before > >>> > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to kill > > many > >>> > people by these natural disasters ? > >>> > > > >>> > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > 2) Prediction went wrong > >>> > > > >>> > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose their > > faith > >>> > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided-sword. > >>> > > > >>> > > Any comments ? > >>> > > > >>> > > Jagdish > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > >>> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > >>> > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > >>> > > > >>> > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > >>> > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's lunar > >>> > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as > > after the > >>> > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > >>> > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the > > measurement in r- > >>> > > scale is only 4.... > >>> > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my > > friends, > >>> > > who trust me.... > >>> > > Regards, > >>> > > Gaurav > >>> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > >>> > > > >>> > > , "Bhaskar" > >>> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Namaste. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning > > newspapers. > >>> > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > >>> > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one > > line. > >>> > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > >>> > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > >>> > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to > > Earth), > >>> > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate > > him with > >>> > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > >>> > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > >>> > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the > > housewives > >>> hand > >>> > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another > > way. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as > > Ganeshji > >>> > taking > >>> > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems > > have been > >>> > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or by > >>> > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > >>> > countries, > >>> > > or > >>> > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this > > manner. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > regards, > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > regards, > >>> > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > , Prashant Kumar G > > B > >>> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Readers, > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > >>> > > Venketramani > >>> > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors > > has 70% > >>> > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another > > the > >>> > > last 2 > >>> > > > strong leftists. > >>> > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk > > astrology > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > > predictions > >>> > > lack > >>> > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams > > predicitons on > >>> > > may > >>> > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited > > collection. > >>> > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > >>> > > inprediciting > >>> > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in 71 > > when > >>> > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > >>> majority. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about > > the > >>> > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on > > 7th he > >>> > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major > > terrorist > >>> > > attack > >>> > > > will happen near a religious place > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > >>> > > location > >>> > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day > > error > >>> > > was > >>> > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend millions > >>> > > inshifting > >>> > > > people > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they happen > > to the > >>> > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as precautonary > > too. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to > > happen > >>> > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake r > > there > >>> > > > astrologically. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > TIME WILL TELL > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > >>> > > astologers > >>> > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. esp > > the > >>> > > left > >>> > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Prashantkumar G B > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > >>> > > > >>> > > > group but > >>> > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > > mail or > >>> > > phone. > >>> > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID > > also > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > >>> > > > > 09840051861 > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Stay in the know. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Bhaskarji, Actually the issue is not remedies for 3,6,10, 11 houses but remedies revolving around these upachaya houses. For, these are the houses which are more malleable compared to the other houses. But rarely are remedies suggested involving the growth houses. regards rishi , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > about 3,6,10 and 11 I did not understand actually what remedial > measures need to be mentioned. 11th itself is a remedy for bad health. > So is the 5th house considering the 6th for disease. 11th is a very > good house for the Lagna Lord to be placed in (Health and wealth both > plus succes plus daughters marriage), 6th is a good house to receive > payments from business customers, also for Bank Loans. > Three is not bad except for studies, domestic happiness or > vehicles. 10th is good for new professions, to become famous > personality etc. > actually all are good.I dont see any of them as bad houses, neither > 6,8 or 12 too I see as bad if taken as a birds eyeview. > (Except when I see my own horoscope my views would be different > naturally). Goo cannot co-exist without bad. > How will a person know the meaning of good if he has not seen bad, or > meaning of light if he has not seen darkness . > Remedial measures by Parashar maharaj are meant in entirety if we > read the passages for every Mahadsha and antar dasha, we will find > him giving results for placement of the Mahadash and antar lord vis a > visa to each other in various houses and also their effects good or > bad are definitely mentioned. > At the end of these passages he has given the remedies (In 4 > shlokas, the last shloka containing the remedial measure), > so when he mentiones - to reduce the ill effects of this antar do > this or that, he has already taken the effects of placement of > planets in 3,6,10 and 11. > The Rishis of yore will never leave anything for us to search for > in air, at the same time neither truths would be blatantly revealed, > to fall in any persons hands where it would not be intended to. > > regards, > bhaskar. > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Great note. I referred a very interesteing note by Dear Rishi on > another thread, around the remedial measures for 3/6/10/11. I am > still pondering, why Sage Parashar did not include them for his > remedial prescription. > > > > Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our greater insight > into jyotish - but are our remedial patterns in line with sage > parashar (or say per jyotish objective). We all (including me) do > prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves too) - but Rishi's > question is still unanswered. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > result but not the purpose. > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > > > > > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the prediction given > to a > > > new/little old born childs parents, would be fatilistic, and all > would > > > have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but in case > > > when you see a native with impending heart problems, or Shani sade > > > sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach would turn into a > saviour > > > for these natives and help and prepare them by way of > > > starting remedial measures, much before the incident would happen, > > > and thus reduce the impact.This is with reference to astrology. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > >> > > >> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message of Bhaskar ji). > It > > > was stated that, it was god's desire - so nothing could change? - > So > > > I pondered to that note, if predictions are fatalistic (will > happen > > > for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial measures. > > >> > > >> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, where he wondered, why > > > not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why only for dharma and > > > moksha kona? > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> > > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do > > > these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self- > > > interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a > boat, a > > > result but not the purpose. > > >> > > >> ************************************************ > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> gbp_kumar@ > > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > >>> > > >>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 10/9 > > >>> > > >>> Prafulla, > > >>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is realistic, western > > > astrology uses > > >>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective karma and its > > > effect a > > >>> collection of them are needed just like how we have a leader, > > > king, don, > > >>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., life so too our > > > evil time > > >>> we need one who will lead us to collective death , strife, > > > tragedy etc. > > >>> the Samohika karmaphala > > >>> > > >>> I had givne the instance of they young Shankaracharya here > > > sotme back > > >>> > > >>> in short again here > > >>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s to Tirumala hills a > > > bus > > >>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at the tail end of > the > > >>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance of th ebus more on > > > the > > >>> edge could have taken all down but some how it got help and was > > > pulled > > >>> out then there was a astrolgoer who took the data of all the > > > piligrims > > >>> in the bus and found that a 4 yr kid had a great aura, karma > > > that he > > >>> will be respectd by the high and the mighty the coman man alike > > > and his > > >>> good soul amoungst them did save them all. this bouy in 4 yrs > > > later > > >>> became the youngest sankaracharya of the shankara mutt so far, > > > noow > > >>> called Vijayedra saraswathi [his younger brothers in the one > more > > >>> accused in the Kanchi mut murder case whicb has draged even > > > Jayednra > > >>> saraswathi in to its web. > > >>> > > >>> so a good soul amoung us can help us a evil soul amoung us can > > > destroy > > >>> us and our karma balances willget adjusted in some future lives > if > > >>> anyone of us die prematurely [there is always a windofor good > and > > > bad > > >>> that is whywe cant predict for sure, we can get closr to 80- 85% > > > max rest > > >>> is god's will.. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji, > > >>> > > >>> Does it imply that predictions are fatalistic in nature > > > (whether for > > >>> mundane or an individual)? and if yes, role of remedial > measure? > > >>> > > >>> Without getting into the might of GOD (No doubts about it), in > > > my view > > >>> - astrology can be used in preparing human being, to meet the > > >>> uncertain (? - if can be predicted, then wrong to call it > > > uncertain > > >>> !!) future and more importantly, to draw the karmic patterns, > > > so that > > >>> native (mind and physical body) can use the awareness (or say > > >>> awakening) towards the ultimate objective of soul (i.e. mukti > > > from the > > >>> life/death cycle). > > >>> > > >>> On a seperate thread Rishi ji raised the relevance of remedial > > > issues > > >>> for Dharma and moksha Kona - perhaps, for the basic purpose of > > > jyotish. > > >>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla > > >>> > > >>> , "Bhaskar" > > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > Shri Jagdishji, > > >>> > > > >>> > Though this question was not for me, I would certainly > > >>> > like to answer it., in short. > > >>> > > > >>> > 1) Man cannot defeat God or his intentions in whatever way > he > > > may > > >>> try. > > >>> > If God decides that so much of weight has to be cleared > > > from > > >>> > earth, he would not allow any human being to get > > > foreknowledge of > > >>> > this happening in advance. No thoughts are seperate from > God, > > > I mean > > >>> > He knows what man is capable of and thinking and doing. Just > > > like > > >>> > a big server has control over thousands of computers and > > > lakhs of > > >>> > ids, in the same way God is the biggest server and > > > nothing is > > >>> > unopened for him., orno thought of any man is unaccessible > > > from Him. > > >>> > > > >>> > 2) Second possibility does exist. So before venturing to > > > mouth our > > >>> > predictionc in public, we have to be pretty sure about that. > > >>> > > > >>> > regards, > > >>> > Bhaskar. > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > , Prathamesn Chawan > > >>> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Dear Ji > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Greetings > > >>> > > > > >>> > > People come to know about flood, hurricane and > earthquake > > > before > > >>> > hand through astrologers. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Now there are two possabilities. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > 1) Prediction went right > > >>> > > > > >>> > > In this case many people can save their lives by acting > > > before > > >>> > natural disaster comes. But what if it was God's wish to > kill > > > many > > >>> > people by these natural disasters ? > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Isnt it astrologers are trying to defeat God ? > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > 2) Prediction went wrong > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Many people who believe in astrology must have lose > their > > > faith > > >>> > and Astrologers and astrology will be a mockery for them. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > So astrologers and other people are in two-sided- sword. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Any comments ? > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Jagdish > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > >>> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > >>> > > Dear Prasanthji, Bhaskarji & other members, > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Believe it or not, few months before when i was reading > > >>> > > brihatsamhita, i told my mother that after september's > lunar > > >>> > > eclipse, there are strong possibilities of a tsunami(as > > > after the > > >>> > > eclipse, moon shifted to a watery sign)...... > > >>> > > Tremours were felt today in Manipur, however the > > > measurement in r- > > >>> > > scale is only 4.... > > >>> > > I told my reading to my mother only...n also to few of my > > > friends, > > >>> > > who trust me.... > > >>> > > Regards, > > >>> > > Gaurav > > >>> > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > >>> > > > > >>> > > , "Bhaskar" > > >>> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > Shri Prashant Sahab, > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > Namaste. > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > I read about this fellow two days back on morning > > > newspapers. > > >>> > > > He is not at all a astrolger. But he did mention how he > > >>> > > > predicts , he said that when Sun Moon ,mercury in one > > > line. > > >>> > > > etc.........etc. explanations he gave. > > >>> > > > He is actually a geologist, but then geology is allowed > > >>> > > > to take these factors (Outer space bodies in relation to > > > Earth), > > >>> > > > So we cant blame him as a geologist. but cannot equate > > > him with > > >>> > > > a astrologer though he may use the same instruments for > > >>> > > > his forecasting, but astrology as a study is different > > >>> > > > and geology is different.,just like a knife in the > > > housewives > > >>> hand > > >>> > > > is used differently and in the surgeons hand in another > > > way. > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > Today also they were calling on Aaj tak Channel as > > > Ganeshji > > >>> > taking > > >>> > > > milk as and vishwas. These media people also it seems > > > have been > > >>> > > > purchased by the Dons sitting in neighbour country, or > by > > >>> > > > seculars of own country or by missionaries from foreign > > >>> > countries, > > >>> > > or > > >>> > > > they just want to look very secular by talking in this > > > manner. > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > regards, > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > Bhaskar. > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > regards, > > >>> > > > Bhaskar. > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > , Prashant Kumar > G > > > B > > >>> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Readers, > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > There was a short animated discussion with KN Rao, > > >>> > > Venketramani > > >>> > > > who predicts earth quakes with astro-goloogical factors > > > has 70% > > >>> > > > success rated did predict Tsunami too. Mahdu and another > > > the > > >>> > > last 2 > > >>> > > > strong leftists. > > >>> > > > > who used/hijacked the program to rubbsh and bedunk > > > astrology > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > the moderators successful prediction and failed > > > predictions > > >>> > > lack > > >>> > > > any study whatsoever worse is putting Naothedams > > > predicitons on > > >>> > > may > > >>> > > > events no in India which itself is a discredited > > > collection. > > >>> > > > > thenthe failed ones when 12/13 astrologers failed > > >>> > > inprediciting > > >>> > > > the defeat of NDA, the failed prediciton of Raman's in > 71 > > > when > > >>> > > > Indira Gandhi was supposed to loose but woen by a bumper > > >>> majority. > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > BUT no time was given to KNR ao and Venketramani about > > > the > > >>> > > > successful ones of RAMAN, OR KN RAos said in Aaj tak on > > > 7th he > > >>> > > > had predicted the Maalgon incident saying a major > > > terrorist > > >>> > > attack > > >>> > > > will happen near a religious place > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Venketramanis forecast of a major earth quake in assak > > >>> > > location > > >>> > > > also given with 3 deg variation that is 300kms and 3 day > > > error > > >>> > > was > > >>> > > > given a rude dismisal for making the state spend > millions > > >>> > > inshifting > > >>> > > > people > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Venket as what about cyclone predicitons do they > happen > > > to the > > >>> > > > spot, date and evacuations occur then too as > precautonary > > > too. > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > well there is one more day to go for his forecast to > > > happen > > >>> > > > > KN RAO said wait till 13 all factors fora earth quake > r > > > there > > >>> > > > astrologically. > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > TIME WILL TELL > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > But please write to press, tv to allow more time for > > >>> > > astologers > > >>> > > > than cynics to say anying as cynics are there anyway. > esp > > > the > > >>> > > left > > >>> > > > brigade in the print and TV media.. > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > group but > > >>> > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > > > mail or > > >>> > > phone. > > >>> > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal > ID > > > also > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > >>> > > > > 09840051861 > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Stay in the know. 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