Message to Prafulla! JYOTISH Vedic week --?

September 8, 2006

Dear Prafulla,

At the end of the day -- it shall not be what you or I post here, or

how you come across, or what you ,earn from here that will matter or

count in your personal experience, OR in mine!

But then again, the day has just begun so let me not spoil your

weekend!

Come Moonday, though, the chunk of rock nearest to our home, will

grab and claim your mind, as it will start a new week, a new cycle!

So is this seven planet week a vedic thing or what?

RR

, "Prafulla Gang"

<jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan ji,

>

> It is heart breaking to know from you - "IT" will not change the

> perspective. Yes, for me - It has been great learning (though not

> compelled one !!) from you.

>

> Perhaps - I must also learn to write appeasing notes, so that

> generalized opinions are not perceived personal ones. But another

> thought, why should not larger interest be written about? Difficult

to

> blend two for my slower mind !!

>

> It has been indeed, huge learning for me - after a long time.

Perhaps,

> my weekend is utlised properly.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Prafulla,

> >

> > 'IT' will change nothing!

> > YOU CAN, though!

> > Never give up that point of power!

> > Even if compelled to, from time to time!

> >

> > Do you think, personally, that eclipses really affect individuals

at

> > all or more than states or groups of individuals?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > >

> > > Very interesting note!! Hope it changes the focus back to

> > Jyotish !!

> > >

> > > If it does, I will be happier - even for the messages and

subject

> > lines.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Beautiful!

> > > > Now we all must live it for the rest of our existence!

> > > >

> > > > And while we do that, we must spend a few moments just bowing

our

> > > > heads to those who tried but couldn't!

> > > >

> > > > Just reality!

> > > >

> > > > Let us wake up to the reality of jyotish where water is

likened

> > to

> > > > Brahmins, and other rashis to other varnas!

> > > >

> > > > Only through returning back to Jyotish shall we join the

> > fountainhead

> > > > of spirituality!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear kumar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > all humans are shudras when they are born. only by KARAM,

one

> > can

> > > > > grow to be a brahmin.

> > > > >

> > > > > the scriptures prescribed the qualities of a true brahmin

which

> > > > most

> > > > > brahmins of today, say 99.99% lack because of the changed

world

> > > > > scenario. when invading armies kept a goal of collecting

kilos

> > of

> > > > > sacred threads daily by converting brahmins to their

religion,

> > even

> > > > > true brahmins have lost thier true values. i have no

> > hesitation in

> > > > > admitting that i too lack many qualities of an ideal

brahmin as

> > > > > described in these scriptures.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > >

> > > > > , "C.P.Kumar"

> > > > > <pacificsiam@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Arjun Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which Brahmins are you talking about ,the one who are

> > brahmins by

> > > > > > birth or the one who are brahmins by karm, WHO IS A REAL

> > BRAHMIN

> > > > > > PLS ENLIGHTEN US .

> > > > > > with Rgds

> > > > > > kumar

> > > > > > - In , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear prafullaji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you have observed in one of your mails that brahmins

have

> > > > > grabbed

> > > > > > > cows, lands etc. and exploited all. this can best be

> > described

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > your personal observation as it is not a fact.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in public groups, many members strive to put forth

their

> > > > > personal

> > > > > > > views as they observe in their experience and

understanding

> > and

> > > > > > > expect general acceptance. in reality many such

> > observations

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > aberrations seen in isolation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > let me put some facts which none can deny:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > centuries ago brahmins never worked for a salary or

offered

> > any

> > > > > > > service for a living. they used to fix muhurtams for

ALL

> > > > people

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > their areas, do karmakanda for ALL people and impart

holy

> > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > and discourses to ALL besides maintaining the holiness

of

> > the

> > > > > > > sanctum sanctorum of the temples and other places of

> > > > > consecration.

> > > > > > > kings, panchayat presidents or local landlords used to

> > offer

> > > > > land

> > > > > > > freely to these brahmins and also food grains and a

cow.

> > in

> > > > all

> > > > > > > karmakandas or for any auspicious happy occasions, they

are

> > > > > gifted

> > > > > > > few items, clothes, money etc. and all such brahmins

used

> > to

> > > > > live

> > > > > > > 100% on donations given by the people VOLUNTARILY.

these

> > > > > > brahmins

> > > > > > > also used to write books, teach the children of ALL

people

> > and

> > > > > > > entertain with their lyrical, music and dance skills

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > however, with the pogrom and forced conversion to islam

by

> > the

> > > > > > > invading moghuls, brahmins have taken up jobs like

teaching.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > later on in the last few decades with the rise of

communism

> > and

> > > > > > > patronage by the left parties (it is a different matter

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > best communist country russia is now full of churches

and

> > > > > leningrad

> > > > > > > becomes st. petersberg and many schools turn back to

> > churches

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > the indian counterparts still engage in anti religious

> > > > > propaganda)

> > > > > > > brahmins have been removed even from the posts of

poojaris

> > as

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > state governemnts have started recruiting low caste non

> > > > brahmins

> > > > > > > unaware of any religious rituals for these holy jobs.

most

> > > > > civil

> > > > > > > servants decades ago used to be brahmins and now due to

> > > > > > reservation,

> > > > > > > around 90% of government employees are non brahmins.

still

> > a

> > > > > > large

> > > > > > > hue and cry is made every day for the success of these

> > > > > brahmins.

> > > > > > > seeing the poor plight of these brahmins in minority,

> > sometime

> > > > > ago

> > > > > > > mulayamsingh offered to consider a 5% reservation for

> > > > brahmins.

> > > > > > > within my family clan, we have great freedom fighters,

> > > > > headmaster

> > > > > > > and principals, poets, astrologers, doctors of most

repute

> > in

> > > > US

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > 100% younger generation are in most successful in IT,

> > > > > engineering or

> > > > > > > medicine profession and it is no exaggeration if i say

that

> > 99%

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > these younger intelligent generation are in US.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in many cities you would find poor brahmins who have

not

> > > > > switched

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > other intelligent professions are still languishing in

> > > > poverty.

> > > > > > > every morning i find dozens of karmakandi brahmins

standing

> > or

> > > > > > > sitting on the footpath of the road in front of the

railway

> > > > > station

> > > > > > > waiting for some customers to pick them for their daily

> > wages.

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > is only because they have not adapted to the

professions

> > which

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > in belief as on date and are sticking to a century old

holy

> > > > > noble

> > > > > > > profession which is not only ridiculed by the so called

> > > > educated

> > > > > > > scientists but also painted bad by the communists.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > having seen all this, i took it as a challenge for

myself

> > to

> > > > > leave

> > > > > > > my lucrative best mnc jobs and serve all the suffering

> > people

> > > > > > > through our religious holy ways and most of my

customers

> > are

> > > > non

> > > > > > > brahmins and many are from other religions as i treat

all

> > human

> > > > > > > beings equally as god.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prafullaji, your observation may be restricted to few

> > > > > individuals at

> > > > > > > best, but to say that KARMAKANDI BRAHMINS exploited all

is

> > far

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > truth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin migrant

> > illiterate

> > > > > > > workers posing as poojaris and cheating the customers.

in

> > some

> > > > > > > temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears are

now

> > > > > > poojaris

> > > > > > > in the same temples which were built only for

landgrabbing

> > and

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > construct shops on all three sides and sell them for

huge

> > > > > monies.

> > > > > > > most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal

> > > > construction

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > done by non-brahmins.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "crystal

pages"

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Personally ...?

> > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am born with just so few neurons, so few abilities,

so

> > few

> > > > > > > options,

> > > > > > > > such a little time and scope to live this lifetime!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of living

the

> > > > > reality

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > others who would impose on us their (?) reality and

waste

> > the

> > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > time we have in this lifetime?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are they even worth the consideration, after what we

have

> > > > seen

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > far?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "Prafulla

Gang"

> > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Very well said.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction

(between

> > > > > relgion

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief

systems)

> > > > > itself,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable"

for

> > each

> > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > system / religion. I am not talking about

> > rationalization

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black

or

> > > > white

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for

> > common

> > > > > person

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief

> > system) -

> > > > > who,

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's

> > > > very "faith".

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of

> > masses.

> > > > > For

> > > > > > > > Example

> > > > > > > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows

etc)

> > in

> > > > > India

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural

India -

> > where

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs

(including

> > on

> > > > > deaths

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation

as

> > well

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion.

> > Religion

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its

practioners do

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced

in

> > > > India -

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > perhaps,

> > > > > > > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like

> > Jainism,

> > > > > Budhism,

> > > > > > > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not

> > corrupted, its

> > > > > > > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited,

its

> > > > > > > compliance

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality

brahmans

> > also

> > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > exist in numbers and those people who can

understand

> > the

> > > > > > rituals

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > true sense also have their own limitations in

current

> > yuga.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > > often

> > > > > > > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals,

in

> > most

> > > > > cases

> > > > > > > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and

> > observe

> > > > > > > > the "short

> > > > > > > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences.

Charities

> > are

> > > > > > > > collected,

> > > > > > > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge

lands,

> > > > people

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for

the

> > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > of "few"

> > > > > > > > > and so on.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but

> > somehow "fear"

> > > > > > > created

> > > > > > > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for

exploitation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , "crystal

pages"

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between

different

> > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > systems,

> > > > > > > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals

> > (karmakanda

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further

extend

> > into

> > > > > grey

> > > > > > > > magic

> > > > > > > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different

> > background

> > > > > > > > (religious,

> > > > > > > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different

> > tolerances

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of

> > > > > acceptance'

> > > > > > > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would

> > really

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's

standards

> > > > (this

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > general statement, so no reader should take it

> > > > personally).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or

> > perimeter of

> > > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily

> > > > > demonstrable

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > rather black and white. As we move into

> > more 'accepting'

> > > > > ways

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and

the

> > > > > horizon

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash,

individuals

> > begin

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > fight,

> > > > > > > > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs

in

> > what

> > > > we

> > > > > > > > consider

> > > > > > > > > > reality which is generally very personal though

there

> > are

> > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense

of

> > self

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > touch

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but

they

> > > > > always

> > > > > > > do.

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where

reason

> > and

> > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and

logical

> > > > > > > > considerations

> > > > > > > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who

like

> > to

> > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious

> > flavour

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > appeal

> > > > > > > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more

> > forgiving.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not

necessarily

> > > > > knowers or

> > > > > > > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it

is

> > not a

> > > > > > > > question of

> > > > > > > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps

knows

> > what

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that

> > purely

> > > > > based

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > personal belief ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > >

, "Prafulla

> > Gang"

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do

> > > > > with "Jyotish".

> > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between

> > correct

> > > > > (very

> > > > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large

population).

> > The

> > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > is -

> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its

> > adherence..which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > missing?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans

(even

> > on

> > > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question

on "purity"

> > of

> > > > > > > pursuits?

> > > > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities

in

> > India

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole

> > > > > > > time "business".

> > > > > > > > > > Almost

> > > > > > > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers

(???)

> > have

> > > > > made

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > big

> > > > > > > > > > mess

> > > > > > > > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not

> > bother

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that

I

> > know

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > Ones

> > > > > > > > > > > !!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or

some

> > > > > temples

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > doing this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period

that

> > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > believed

> > > > > > > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan

shadow

> > fall

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the

grahan

> > > > period,

> > > > > > > nay,

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella

for

> > the

> > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > idol

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however,

> > kalahasti

> > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > andhra

> > > > > > > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open

> > during

> > > > the

> > > > > > > grahan

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT

> > (somewhat

> > > > > > > strage)

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas

> > during

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > grahan

> > > > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we

> > shall

> > > > > keep

> > > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how

> > others

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > doing.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > , "Prafulla

> > > > > > Gang"

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they

will

> > > > > explicitly

> > > > > > > > tell

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any

given

> > > > day;

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers /

charities

> > on

> > > > > > > Eclipses

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are

> > > > > very "few"

> > > > > > > > people -

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct

and "puristic"

> > > > methods

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > performing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their

time

> > in

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > > pursuits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own

karma").

> > Most

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari")

from

> > event

> > > > > > > driven

> > > > > > > > > > > > rituals, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of

these

> > > > > occasions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

angel

> > > > > > > <angelgoel@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for

daan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday

> > morning),

> > > > do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > angel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night

> > ends

> > > > > itself,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be

only 1

> > hour

> > > > > 33

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since

it

> > ends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts,

so

> > will

> > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

,

> > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the

lunar

> > > > > eclipse is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of

> > September

> > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN

EPHEMERIS

> > > > > > FOR 2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.d.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday

September

> > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same

night

> > on

> > > > > > 25.08

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33

minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of

> > course

> > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has

advised

> > all

> > > > > devout

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by

me)

> > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requested

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name

of

> > their

> > > > > Isht

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take

water or

> > > > food

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch

> > anything,

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go

to

> > sleep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean

(Sea),

> > near

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in

temple, in

> > > > > places

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and

> > gained

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightment,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana

> > (Eclipse),

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would

> > accrue to

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other

places.The

> > exact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counts ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has

been

> > > > given

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now

cannot

> > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take

advantage

> > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE

> > > > > > ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE

> > > > > > BLISS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

September 8, 2006

Dear Ranjan ji,

Yes, our personal experiences may not matter; so is the forum and many

more objects. Then why so many reactions to the simple issues. May be

the eclipse or something which people perceive per their projected image!!

No worries. My weekend will not be spoiled by you. It will always be

learning mode for me. You are an exception for my cyber learning. I

know, I can not match your experience; but can not leave the

opportunity to learn from you (always sweet for me) - I am selfish here!!

Vedic Week (7 planet)- !!

I really do not know, how eclpises work on individual charts. Yes for

mundane chart analysis by many jyotishis have used eclipses for their

assessments.

regards / Prafulla Gang

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> At the end of the day -- it shall not be what you or I post here, or

> how you come across, or what you ,earn from here that will matter or

> count in your personal experience, OR in mine!

>

> But then again, the day has just begun so let me not spoil your

> weekend!

>

> Come Moonday, though, the chunk of rock nearest to our home, will

> grab and claim your mind, as it will start a new week, a new cycle!

>

> So is this seven planet week a vedic thing or what?

>

> RR

>

> , "Prafulla Gang"

> <jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ranjan ji,

> >

> > It is heart breaking to know from you - "IT" will not change the

> > perspective. Yes, for me - It has been great learning (though not

> > compelled one !!) from you.

> >

> > Perhaps - I must also learn to write appeasing notes, so that

> > generalized opinions are not perceived personal ones. But another

> > thought, why should not larger interest be written about? Difficult

> to

> > blend two for my slower mind !!

> >

> > It has been indeed, huge learning for me - after a long time.

> Perhaps,

> > my weekend is utlised properly.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Prafulla,

> > >

> > > 'IT' will change nothing!

> > > YOU CAN, though!

> > > Never give up that point of power!

> > > Even if compelled to, from time to time!

> > >

> > > Do you think, personally, that eclipses really affect individuals

> at

> > > all or more than states or groups of individuals?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting note!! Hope it changes the focus back to

> > > Jyotish !!

> > > >

> > > > If it does, I will be happier - even for the messages and

> subject

> > > lines.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Beautiful!

> > > > > Now we all must live it for the rest of our existence!

> > > > >

> > > > > And while we do that, we must spend a few moments just bowing

> our

> > > > > heads to those who tried but couldn't!

> > > > >

> > > > > Just reality!

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us wake up to the reality of jyotish where water is

> likened

> > > to

> > > > > Brahmins, and other rashis to other varnas!

> > > > >

> > > > > Only through returning back to Jyotish shall we join the

> > > fountainhead

> > > > > of spirituality!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear kumar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all humans are shudras when they are born. only by KARAM,

> one

> > > can

> > > > > > grow to be a brahmin.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the scriptures prescribed the qualities of a true brahmin

> which

> > > > > most

> > > > > > brahmins of today, say 99.99% lack because of the changed

> world

> > > > > > scenario. when invading armies kept a goal of collecting

> kilos

> > > of

> > > > > > sacred threads daily by converting brahmins to their

> religion,

> > > even

> > > > > > true brahmins have lost thier true values. i have no

> > > hesitation in

> > > > > > admitting that i too lack many qualities of an ideal

> brahmin as

> > > > > > described in these scriptures.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "C.P.Kumar"

> > > > > > <pacificsiam@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Arjun Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Which Brahmins are you talking about ,the one who are

> > > brahmins by

> > > > > > > birth or the one who are brahmins by karm, WHO IS A REAL

> > > BRAHMIN

> > > > > > > PLS ENLIGHTEN US .

> > > > > > > with Rgds

> > > > > > > kumar

> > > > > > > - In , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear prafullaji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you have observed in one of your mails that brahmins

> have

> > > > > > grabbed

> > > > > > > > cows, lands etc. and exploited all. this can best be

> > > described

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > your personal observation as it is not a fact.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in public groups, many members strive to put forth

> their

> > > > > > personal

> > > > > > > > views as they observe in their experience and

> understanding

> > > and

> > > > > > > > expect general acceptance. in reality many such

> > > observations

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > aberrations seen in isolation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > let me put some facts which none can deny:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > centuries ago brahmins never worked for a salary or

> offered

> > > any

> > > > > > > > service for a living. they used to fix muhurtams for

> ALL

> > > > > people

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > their areas, do karmakanda for ALL people and impart

> holy

> > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > and discourses to ALL besides maintaining the holiness

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > sanctum sanctorum of the temples and other places of

> > > > > > consecration.

> > > > > > > > kings, panchayat presidents or local landlords used to

> > > offer

> > > > > > land

> > > > > > > > freely to these brahmins and also food grains and a

> cow.

> > > in

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > karmakandas or for any auspicious happy occasions, they

> are

> > > > > > gifted

> > > > > > > > few items, clothes, money etc. and all such brahmins

> used

> > > to

> > > > > > live

> > > > > > > > 100% on donations given by the people VOLUNTARILY.

> these

> > > > > > > brahmins

> > > > > > > > also used to write books, teach the children of ALL

> people

> > > and

> > > > > > > > entertain with their lyrical, music and dance skills

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > however, with the pogrom and forced conversion to islam

> by

> > > the

> > > > > > > > invading moghuls, brahmins have taken up jobs like

> teaching.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > later on in the last few decades with the rise of

> communism

> > > and

> > > > > > > > patronage by the left parties (it is a different matter

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > best communist country russia is now full of churches

> and

> > > > > > leningrad

> > > > > > > > becomes st. petersberg and many schools turn back to

> > > churches

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > the indian counterparts still engage in anti religious

> > > > > > propaganda)

> > > > > > > > brahmins have been removed even from the posts of

> poojaris

> > > as

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > state governemnts have started recruiting low caste non

> > > > > brahmins

> > > > > > > > unaware of any religious rituals for these holy jobs.

> most

> > > > > > civil

> > > > > > > > servants decades ago used to be brahmins and now due to

> > > > > > > reservation,

> > > > > > > > around 90% of government employees are non brahmins.

> still

> > > a

> > > > > > > large

> > > > > > > > hue and cry is made every day for the success of these

> > > > > > brahmins.

> > > > > > > > seeing the poor plight of these brahmins in minority,

> > > sometime

> > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > mulayamsingh offered to consider a 5% reservation for

> > > > > brahmins.

> > > > > > > > within my family clan, we have great freedom fighters,

> > > > > > headmaster

> > > > > > > > and principals, poets, astrologers, doctors of most

> repute

> > > in

> > > > > US

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > 100% younger generation are in most successful in IT,

> > > > > > engineering or

> > > > > > > > medicine profession and it is no exaggeration if i say

> that

> > > 99%

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > these younger intelligent generation are in US.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in many cities you would find poor brahmins who have

> not

> > > > > > switched

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > other intelligent professions are still languishing in

> > > > > poverty.

> > > > > > > > every morning i find dozens of karmakandi brahmins

> standing

> > > or

> > > > > > > > sitting on the footpath of the road in front of the

> railway

> > > > > > station

> > > > > > > > waiting for some customers to pick them for their daily

> > > wages.

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > is only because they have not adapted to the

> professions

> > > which

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > in belief as on date and are sticking to a century old

> holy

> > > > > > noble

> > > > > > > > profession which is not only ridiculed by the so called

> > > > > educated

> > > > > > > > scientists but also painted bad by the communists.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > having seen all this, i took it as a challenge for

> myself

> > > to

> > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > my lucrative best mnc jobs and serve all the suffering

> > > people

> > > > > > > > through our religious holy ways and most of my

> customers

> > > are

> > > > > non

> > > > > > > > brahmins and many are from other religions as i treat

> all

> > > human

> > > > > > > > beings equally as god.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prafullaji, your observation may be restricted to few

> > > > > > individuals at

> > > > > > > > best, but to say that KARMAKANDI BRAHMINS exploited all

> is

> > > far

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > truth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin migrant

> > > illiterate

> > > > > > > > workers posing as poojaris and cheating the customers.

> in

> > > some

> > > > > > > > temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears are

> now

> > > > > > > poojaris

> > > > > > > > in the same temples which were built only for

> landgrabbing

> > > and

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > construct shops on all three sides and sell them for

> huge

> > > > > > monies.

> > > > > > > > most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal

> > > > > construction

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > done by non-brahmins.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "crystal

> pages"

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Personally ...?

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am born with just so few neurons, so few abilities,

> so

> > > few

> > > > > > > > options,

> > > > > > > > > such a little time and scope to live this lifetime!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of living

> the

> > > > > > reality

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > others who would impose on us their (?) reality and

> waste

> > > the

> > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > time we have in this lifetime?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are they even worth the consideration, after what we

> have

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > far?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla

> Gang"

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Very well said.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction

> (between

> > > > > > relgion

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief

> systems)

> > > > > > itself,

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable"

> for

> > > each

> > > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > > system / religion. I am not talking about

> > > rationalization

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black

> or

> > > > > white

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for

> > > common

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief

> > > system) -

> > > > > > who,

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's

> > > > > very "faith".

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of

> > > masses.

> > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > Example

> > > > > > > > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows

> etc)

> > > in

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural

> India -

> > > where

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs

> (including

> > > on

> > > > > > deaths

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation

> as

> > > well

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion.

> > > Religion

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its

> practioners do

> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced

> in

> > > > > India -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > perhaps,

> > > > > > > > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like

> > > Jainism,

> > > > > > Budhism,

> > > > > > > > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not

> > > corrupted, its

> > > > > > > > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited,

> its

> > > > > > > > compliance

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality

> brahmans

> > > also

> > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > exist in numbers and those people who can

> understand

> > > the

> > > > > > > rituals

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > true sense also have their own limitations in

> current

> > > yuga.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > often

> > > > > > > > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals,

> in

> > > most

> > > > > > cases

> > > > > > > > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and

> > > observe

> > > > > > > > > the "short

> > > > > > > > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences.

> Charities

> > > are

> > > > > > > > > collected,

> > > > > > > > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge

> lands,

> > > > > people

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for

> the

> > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > of "few"

> > > > > > > > > > and so on.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but

> > > somehow "fear"

> > > > > > > > created

> > > > > > > > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for

> exploitation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , "crystal

> pages"

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between

> different

> > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > systems,

> > > > > > > > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals

> > > (karmakanda

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further

> extend

> > > into

> > > > > > grey

> > > > > > > > > magic

> > > > > > > > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different

> > > background

> > > > > > > > > (religious,

> > > > > > > > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different

> > > tolerances

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of

> > > > > > acceptance'

> > > > > > > > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would

> > > really

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's

> standards

> > > > > (this

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > general statement, so no reader should take it

> > > > > personally).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or

> > > perimeter of

> > > > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily

> > > > > > demonstrable

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > rather black and white. As we move into

> > > more 'accepting'

> > > > > > ways

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and

> the

> > > > > > horizon

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash,

> individuals

> > > begin

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > fight,

> > > > > > > > > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs

> in

> > > what

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > consider

> > > > > > > > > > > reality which is generally very personal though

> there

> > > are

> > > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense

> of

> > > self

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > touch

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but

> they

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > do.

> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where

> reason

> > > and

> > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and

> logical

> > > > > > > > > considerations

> > > > > > > > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who

> like

> > > to

> > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious

> > > flavour

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > appeal

> > > > > > > > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more

> > > forgiving.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not

> necessarily

> > > > > > knowers or

> > > > > > > > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it

> is

> > > not a

> > > > > > > > > question of

> > > > > > > > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps

> knows

> > > what

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that

> > > purely

> > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > personal belief ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > >

> , "Prafulla

> > > Gang"

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do

> > > > > > with "Jyotish".

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between

> > > correct

> > > > > > (very

> > > > > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large

> population).

> > > The

> > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > is -

> > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its

> > > adherence..which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > missing?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans

> (even

> > > on

> > > > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question

> on "purity"

> > > of

> > > > > > > > pursuits?

> > > > > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities

> in

> > > India

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole

> > > > > > > > time "business".

> > > > > > > > > > > Almost

> > > > > > > > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers

> (???)

> > > have

> > > > > > made

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > big

> > > > > > > > > > > mess

> > > > > > > > > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not

> > > bother

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that

> I

> > > know

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > Ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or

> some

> > > > > > temples

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > doing this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period

> that

> > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > believed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan

> shadow

> > > fall

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the

> grahan

> > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > nay,

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > idol

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however,

> > > kalahasti

> > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > andhra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open

> > > during

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > grahan

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT

> > > (somewhat

> > > > > > > > strage)

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas

> > > during

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > grahan

> > > > > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we

> > > shall

> > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how

> > > others

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > doing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > , "Prafulla

> > > > > > > Gang"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they

> will

> > > > > > explicitly

> > > > > > > > > tell

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any

> given

> > > > > day;

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers /

> charities

> > > on

> > > > > > > > Eclipses

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are

> > > > > > very "few"

> > > > > > > > > people -

> > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct

> and "puristic"

> > > > > methods

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > performing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their

> time

> > > in

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pursuits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own

> karma").

> > > Most

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari")

> from

> > > event

> > > > > > > > driven

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rituals, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of

> these

> > > > > > occasions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> angel

> > > > > > > > <angelgoel@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for

> daan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday

> > > morning),

> > > > > do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > angel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night

> > > ends

> > > > > > itself,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be

> only 1

> > > hour

> > > > > > 33

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since

> it

> > > ends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts,

> so

> > > will

> > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> ,

> > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the

> lunar

> > > > > > eclipse is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of

> > > September

> > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN

> EPHEMERIS

> > > > > > > FOR 2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.d.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday

> September

> > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same

> night

> > > on

> > > > > > > 25.08

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33

> minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of

> > > course

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has

> advised

> > > all

> > > > > > devout

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by

> me)

> > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requested

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name

> of

> > > their

> > > > > > Isht

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take

> water or

> > > > > food

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch

> > > anything,

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go

> to

> > > sleep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean

> (Sea),

> > > near

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in

> temple, in

> > > > > > places

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and

> > > gained

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightment,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana

> > > (Eclipse),

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would

> > > accrue to

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other

> places.The

> > > exact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counts ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has

> been

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now

> cannot

> > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take

> advantage

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE

> > > > > > > ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

> ABSOLUTE

> > > > > > > BLISS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

September 8, 2006

Dear RRji

in july, 2006 we had a thread on weekdays when i gave reference from

shivapuran which narrates how days were allocated and also posted

the scanned pages containing sanskrit slokas and hindi translation

in the group files section.

with best wishes

pandit arjun

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> At the end of the day -- it shall not be what you or I post here,

or

> how you come across, or what you ,earn from here that will matter

or

> count in your personal experience, OR in mine!

>

> But then again, the day has just begun so let me not spoil your

> weekend!

>

> Come Moonday, though, the chunk of rock nearest to our home, will

> grab and claim your mind, as it will start a new week, a new cycle!

>

> So is this seven planet week a vedic thing or what?

>

> RR

>

> , "Prafulla Gang"

> <jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ranjan ji,

> >

> > It is heart breaking to know from you - "IT" will not change the

> > perspective. Yes, for me - It has been great learning (though not

> > compelled one !!) from you.

> >

> > Perhaps - I must also learn to write appeasing notes, so that

> > generalized opinions are not perceived personal ones. But another

> > thought, why should not larger interest be written about?

Difficult

> to

> > blend two for my slower mind !!

> >

> > It has been indeed, huge learning for me - after a long time.

> Perhaps,

> > my weekend is utlised properly.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Prafulla,

> > >

> > > 'IT' will change nothing!

> > > YOU CAN, though!

> > > Never give up that point of power!

> > > Even if compelled to, from time to time!

> > >

> > > Do you think, personally, that eclipses really affect

individuals

> at

> > > all or more than states or groups of individuals?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting note!! Hope it changes the focus back to

> > > Jyotish !!

> > > >

> > > > If it does, I will be happier - even for the messages and

> subject

> > > lines.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Beautiful!

> > > > > Now we all must live it for the rest of our existence!

> > > > >

> > > > > And while we do that, we must spend a few moments just

bowing

> our

> > > > > heads to those who tried but couldn't!

> > > > >

> > > > > Just reality!

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us wake up to the reality of jyotish where water is

> likened

> > > to

> > > > > Brahmins, and other rashis to other varnas!

> > > > >

> > > > > Only through returning back to Jyotish shall we join the

> > > fountainhead

> > > > > of spirituality!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear kumar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all humans are shudras when they are born. only by

KARAM,

> one

> > > can

> > > > > > grow to be a brahmin.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the scriptures prescribed the qualities of a true

brahmin

> which

> > > > > most

> > > > > > brahmins of today, say 99.99% lack because of the

changed

> world

> > > > > > scenario. when invading armies kept a goal of

collecting

> kilos

> > > of

> > > > > > sacred threads daily by converting brahmins to their

> religion,

> > > even

> > > > > > true brahmins have lost thier true values. i have no

> > > hesitation in

> > > > > > admitting that i too lack many qualities of an ideal

> brahmin as

> > > > > > described in these scriptures.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "C.P.Kumar"

> > > > > > <pacificsiam@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Arjun Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Which Brahmins are you talking about ,the one who are

> > > brahmins by

> > > > > > > birth or the one who are brahmins by karm, WHO IS A

REAL

> > > BRAHMIN

> > > > > > > PLS ENLIGHTEN US .

> > > > > > > with Rgds

> > > > > > > kumar

> > > > > > > - In

, "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear prafullaji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you have observed in one of your mails that brahmins

> have

> > > > > > grabbed

> > > > > > > > cows, lands etc. and exploited all. this can best

be

> > > described

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > your personal observation as it is not a fact.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in public groups, many members strive to put forth

> their

> > > > > > personal

> > > > > > > > views as they observe in their experience and

> understanding

> > > and

> > > > > > > > expect general acceptance. in reality many such

> > > observations

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > aberrations seen in isolation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > let me put some facts which none can deny:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > centuries ago brahmins never worked for a salary or

> offered

> > > any

> > > > > > > > service for a living. they used to fix muhurtams

for

> ALL

> > > > > people

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > their areas, do karmakanda for ALL people and impart

> holy

> > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > and discourses to ALL besides maintaining the

holiness

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > sanctum sanctorum of the temples and other places of

> > > > > > consecration.

> > > > > > > > kings, panchayat presidents or local landlords used

to

> > > offer

> > > > > > land

> > > > > > > > freely to these brahmins and also food grains and a

> cow.

> > > in

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > karmakandas or for any auspicious happy occasions,

they

> are

> > > > > > gifted

> > > > > > > > few items, clothes, money etc. and all such brahmins

> used

> > > to

> > > > > > live

> > > > > > > > 100% on donations given by the people VOLUNTARILY.

> these

> > > > > > > brahmins

> > > > > > > > also used to write books, teach the children of ALL

> people

> > > and

> > > > > > > > entertain with their lyrical, music and dance skills

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > however, with the pogrom and forced conversion to

islam

> by

> > > the

> > > > > > > > invading moghuls, brahmins have taken up jobs like

> teaching.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > later on in the last few decades with the rise of

> communism

> > > and

> > > > > > > > patronage by the left parties (it is a different

matter

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > best communist country russia is now full of

churches

> and

> > > > > > leningrad

> > > > > > > > becomes st. petersberg and many schools turn back to

> > > churches

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > the indian counterparts still engage in anti

religious

> > > > > > propaganda)

> > > > > > > > brahmins have been removed even from the posts of

> poojaris

> > > as

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > state governemnts have started recruiting low caste

non

> > > > > brahmins

> > > > > > > > unaware of any religious rituals for these holy

jobs.

> most

> > > > > > civil

> > > > > > > > servants decades ago used to be brahmins and now due

to

> > > > > > > reservation,

> > > > > > > > around 90% of government employees are non

brahmins.

> still

> > > a

> > > > > > > large

> > > > > > > > hue and cry is made every day for the success of

these

> > > > > > brahmins.

> > > > > > > > seeing the poor plight of these brahmins in

minority,

> > > sometime

> > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > mulayamsingh offered to consider a 5% reservation

for

> > > > > brahmins.

> > > > > > > > within my family clan, we have great freedom

fighters,

> > > > > > headmaster

> > > > > > > > and principals, poets, astrologers, doctors of most

> repute

> > > in

> > > > > US

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > 100% younger generation are in most successful in

IT,

> > > > > > engineering or

> > > > > > > > medicine profession and it is no exaggeration if i

say

> that

> > > 99%

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > these younger intelligent generation are in US.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in many cities you would find poor brahmins who have

> not

> > > > > > switched

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > other intelligent professions are still languishing

in

> > > > > poverty.

> > > > > > > > every morning i find dozens of karmakandi brahmins

> standing

> > > or

> > > > > > > > sitting on the footpath of the road in front of the

> railway

> > > > > > station

> > > > > > > > waiting for some customers to pick them for their

daily

> > > wages.

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > is only because they have not adapted to the

> professions

> > > which

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > in belief as on date and are sticking to a century

old

> holy

> > > > > > noble

> > > > > > > > profession which is not only ridiculed by the so

called

> > > > > educated

> > > > > > > > scientists but also painted bad by the communists.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > having seen all this, i took it as a challenge for

> myself

> > > to

> > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > my lucrative best mnc jobs and serve all the

suffering

> > > people

> > > > > > > > through our religious holy ways and most of my

> customers

> > > are

> > > > > non

> > > > > > > > brahmins and many are from other religions as i

treat

> all

> > > human

> > > > > > > > beings equally as god.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prafullaji, your observation may be restricted to

few

> > > > > > individuals at

> > > > > > > > best, but to say that KARMAKANDI BRAHMINS exploited

all

> is

> > > far

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > truth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin migrant

> > > illiterate

> > > > > > > > workers posing as poojaris and cheating the

customers.

> in

> > > some

> > > > > > > > temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears

are

> now

> > > > > > > poojaris

> > > > > > > > in the same temples which were built only for

> landgrabbing

> > > and

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > construct shops on all three sides and sell them for

> huge

> > > > > > monies.

> > > > > > > > most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal

> > > > > construction

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > done by non-brahmins.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "crystal

> pages"

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Personally ...?

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am born with just so few neurons, so few

abilities,

> so

> > > few

> > > > > > > > options,

> > > > > > > > > such a little time and scope to live this lifetime!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of

living

> the

> > > > > > reality

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > others who would impose on us their (?) reality

and

> waste

> > > the

> > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > time we have in this lifetime?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are they even worth the consideration, after what

we

> have

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > far?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla

> Gang"

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Very well said.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction

> (between

> > > > > > relgion

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief

> systems)

> > > > > > itself,

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable"

> for

> > > each

> > > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > > system / religion. I am not talking about

> > > rationalization

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be

black

> or

> > > > > white

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization

(for

> > > common

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each

belief

> > > system) -

> > > > > > who,

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's

> > > > > very "faith".

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life

of

> > > masses.

> > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > Example

> > > > > > > > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins

(cows

> etc)

> > > in

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural

> India -

> > > where

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs

> (including

> > > on

> > > > > > deaths

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the family). These have led to massive

exploitation

> as

> > > well

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion.

> > > Religion

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its

> practioners do

> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not

surfaced

> in

> > > > > India -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > perhaps,

> > > > > > > > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like

> > > Jainism,

> > > > > > Budhism,

> > > > > > > > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not

> > > corrupted, its

> > > > > > > > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is

exploited,

> its

> > > > > > > > compliance

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality

> brahmans

> > > also

> > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > exist in numbers and those people who can

> understand

> > > the

> > > > > > > rituals

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > true sense also have their own limitations in

> current

> > > yuga.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > often

> > > > > > > > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the

rituals,

> in

> > > most

> > > > > > cases

> > > > > > > > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya,

and

> > > observe

> > > > > > > > > the "short

> > > > > > > > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences.

> Charities

> > > are

> > > > > > > > > collected,

> > > > > > > > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge

> lands,

> > > > > people

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for

> the

> > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > of "few"

> > > > > > > > > > and so on.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but

> > > somehow "fear"

> > > > > > > > created

> > > > > > > > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for

> exploitation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >

, "crystal

> pages"

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between

> different

> > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > systems,

> > > > > > > > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals

> > > (karmakanda

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further

> extend

> > > into

> > > > > > grey

> > > > > > > > > magic

> > > > > > > > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different

> > > background

> > > > > > > > > (religious,

> > > > > > > > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different

> > > tolerances

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree

of

> > > > > > acceptance'

> > > > > > > > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one

would

> > > really

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's

> standards

> > > > > (this

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > general statement, so no reader should take it

> > > > > personally).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or

> > > perimeter of

> > > > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > > > which may be rather restricted but more

readily

> > > > > > demonstrable

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > rather black and white. As we move into

> > > more 'accepting'

> > > > > > ways

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow

and

> the

> > > > > > horizon

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash,

> individuals

> > > begin

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > fight,

> > > > > > > > > > > because we all must hold on to our core

beliefs

> in

> > > what

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > consider

> > > > > > > > > > > reality which is generally very personal

though

> there

> > > are

> > > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of

groups.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our

sense

> of

> > > self

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > touch

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others,

but

> they

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > do.

> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where

> reason

> > > and

> > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and

> logical

> > > > > > > > > considerations

> > > > > > > > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those

who

> like

> > > to

> > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > > > > out, and also has enough of a

mystical/mysterious

> > > flavour

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > appeal

> > > > > > > > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more

> > > forgiving.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not

> necessarily

> > > > > > knowers or

> > > > > > > > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and

it

> is

> > > not a

> > > > > > > > > question of

> > > > > > > > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps

> knows

> > > what

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say

that

> > > purely

> > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > personal belief ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > >

> , "Prafulla

> > > Gang"

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do

> > > > > > with "Jyotish".

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line

between

> > > correct

> > > > > > (very

> > > > > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large

> population).

> > > The

> > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > is -

> > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its

> > > adherence..which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > missing?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi"

bhramans

> (even

> > > on

> > > > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question

> on "purity"

> > > of

> > > > > > > > pursuits?

> > > > > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > > > > the people who are "known" in different

cities

> in

> > > India

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > authorities, are just making this their

whole

> > > > > > > > time "business".

> > > > > > > > > > > Almost

> > > > > > > > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers

> (???)

> > > have

> > > > > > made

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > big

> > > > > > > > > > > mess

> > > > > > > > > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall

not

> > > bother

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most),

that

> I

> > > know

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > Ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or

> some

> > > > > > temples

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > doing this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy

period

> that

> > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > believed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan

> shadow

> > > fall

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the

> grahan

> > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > nay,

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an

umbrella

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > idol

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however,

> > > kalahasti

> > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > andhra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only

open

> > > during

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > grahan

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT

> > > (somewhat

> > > > > > > > strage)

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > collecting donations for these special

poojas

> > > during

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > grahan

> > > > > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga,

we

> > > shall

> > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about

how

> > > others

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > doing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > , "Prafulla

> > > > > > > Gang"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they

> will

> > > > > > explicitly

> > > > > > > > > tell

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done

any

> given

> > > > > day;

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers /

> charities

> > > on

> > > > > > > > Eclipses

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there

are

> > > > > > very "few"

> > > > > > > > > people -

> > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct

> and "puristic"

> > > > > methods

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > performing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of

their

> time

> > > in

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pursuits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own

> karma").

> > > Most

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari")

> from

> > > event

> > > > > > > > driven

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rituals, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of

> these

> > > > > > occasions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> angel

> > > > > > > > <angelgoel@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item

for

> daan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday

> > > morning),

> > > > > do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > angel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same

night

> > > ends

> > > > > > itself,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be

> only 1

> > > hour

> > > > > > 33

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date

since

> it

> > > ends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date

starts,

> so

> > > will

> > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> ,

> > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the

> lunar

> > > > > > eclipse is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of

> > > September

> > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN

> EPHEMERIS

> > > > > > > FOR 2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.d.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday

> September

> > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at

same

> night

> > > on

> > > > > > > 25.08

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33

> minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India,

of

> > > course

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has

> advised

> > > all

> > > > > > devout

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added

by

> me)

> > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requested

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking

name

> of

> > > their

> > > > > > Isht

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take

> water or

> > > > > food

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not

touch

> > > anything,

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course

go

> to

> > > sleep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean

> (Sea),

> > > near

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in

> temple, in

> > > > > > places

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated

and

> > > gained

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightment,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana

> > > (Eclipse),

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally

would

> > > accrue to

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other

> places.The

> > > exact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counts ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also

has

> been

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now

> cannot

> > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take

> advantage

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF

THE

> > > > > > > ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

> ABSOLUTE

> > > > > > > BLISS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

September 8, 2006

Arjun ji,

I will look it up. Thanks for reminding about the post, for

Krishnanji's news and also for your kind words in the other post.

RR

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> Dear RRji

>

> in july, 2006 we had a thread on weekdays when i gave reference

from

> shivapuran which narrates how days were allocated and also posted

> the scanned pages containing sanskrit slokas and hindi translation

> in the group files section.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prafulla,

> >

> > At the end of the day -- it shall not be what you or I post here,

> or

> > how you come across, or what you ,earn from here that will matter

> or

> > count in your personal experience, OR in mine!

> >

> > But then again, the day has just begun so let me not spoil your

> > weekend!

> >

> > Come Moonday, though, the chunk of rock nearest to our home, will

> > grab and claim your mind, as it will start a new week, a new

cycle!

> >

> > So is this seven planet week a vedic thing or what?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > >

> > > It is heart breaking to know from you - "IT" will not change the

> > > perspective. Yes, for me - It has been great learning (though

not

> > > compelled one !!) from you.

> > >

> > > Perhaps - I must also learn to write appeasing notes, so that

> > > generalized opinions are not perceived personal ones. But

another

> > > thought, why should not larger interest be written about?

> Difficult

> > to

> > > blend two for my slower mind !!

> > >

> > > It has been indeed, huge learning for me - after a long time.

> > Perhaps,

> > > my weekend is utlised properly.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Prafulla,

> > > >

> > > > 'IT' will change nothing!

> > > > YOU CAN, though!

> > > > Never give up that point of power!

> > > > Even if compelled to, from time to time!

> > > >

> > > > Do you think, personally, that eclipses really affect

> individuals

> > at

> > > > all or more than states or groups of individuals?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Very interesting note!! Hope it changes the focus back to

> > > > Jyotish !!

> > > > >

> > > > > If it does, I will be happier - even for the messages and

> > subject

> > > > lines.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > >

> > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Beautiful!

> > > > > > Now we all must live it for the rest of our existence!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And while we do that, we must spend a few moments just

> bowing

> > our

> > > > > > heads to those who tried but couldn't!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just reality!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us wake up to the reality of jyotish where water is

> > likened

> > > > to

> > > > > > Brahmins, and other rashis to other varnas!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Only through returning back to Jyotish shall we join the

> > > > fountainhead

> > > > > > of spirituality!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

, "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear kumar ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > all humans are shudras when they are born. only by

> KARAM,

> > one

> > > > can

> > > > > > > grow to be a brahmin.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the scriptures prescribed the qualities of a true

> brahmin

> > which

> > > > > > most

> > > > > > > brahmins of today, say 99.99% lack because of the

> changed

> > world

> > > > > > > scenario. when invading armies kept a goal of

> collecting

> > kilos

> > > > of

> > > > > > > sacred threads daily by converting brahmins to their

> > religion,

> > > > even

> > > > > > > true brahmins have lost thier true values. i have no

> > > > hesitation in

> > > > > > > admitting that i too lack many qualities of an ideal

> > brahmin as

> > > > > > > described in these scriptures.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "C.P.Kumar"

> > > > > > > <pacificsiam@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Arjun Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Which Brahmins are you talking about ,the one who are

> > > > brahmins by

> > > > > > > > birth or the one who are brahmins by karm, WHO IS A

> REAL

> > > > BRAHMIN

> > > > > > > > PLS ENLIGHTEN US .

> > > > > > > > with Rgds

> > > > > > > > kumar

> > > > > > > > - In

> , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear prafullaji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you have observed in one of your mails that

brahmins

> > have

> > > > > > > grabbed

> > > > > > > > > cows, lands etc. and exploited all. this can best

> be

> > > > described

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > your personal observation as it is not a fact.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in public groups, many members strive to put forth

> > their

> > > > > > > personal

> > > > > > > > > views as they observe in their experience and

> > understanding

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > expect general acceptance. in reality many such

> > > > observations

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > aberrations seen in isolation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > let me put some facts which none can deny:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > centuries ago brahmins never worked for a salary or

> > offered

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > > service for a living. they used to fix muhurtams

> for

> > ALL

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > their areas, do karmakanda for ALL people and

impart

> > holy

> > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > and discourses to ALL besides maintaining the

> holiness

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > sanctum sanctorum of the temples and other places

of

> > > > > > > consecration.

> > > > > > > > > kings, panchayat presidents or local landlords used

> to

> > > > offer

> > > > > > > land

> > > > > > > > > freely to these brahmins and also food grains and a

> > cow.

> > > > in

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > karmakandas or for any auspicious happy occasions,

> they

> > are

> > > > > > > gifted

> > > > > > > > > few items, clothes, money etc. and all such

brahmins

> > used

> > > > to

> > > > > > > live

> > > > > > > > > 100% on donations given by the people VOLUNTARILY.

> > these

> > > > > > > > brahmins

> > > > > > > > > also used to write books, teach the children of ALL

> > people

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > entertain with their lyrical, music and dance skills

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > however, with the pogrom and forced conversion to

> islam

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > invading moghuls, brahmins have taken up jobs like

> > teaching.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > later on in the last few decades with the rise of

> > communism

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > patronage by the left parties (it is a different

> matter

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > best communist country russia is now full of

> churches

> > and

> > > > > > > leningrad

> > > > > > > > > becomes st. petersberg and many schools turn back

to

> > > > churches

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > the indian counterparts still engage in anti

> religious

> > > > > > > propaganda)

> > > > > > > > > brahmins have been removed even from the posts of

> > poojaris

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > state governemnts have started recruiting low caste

> non

> > > > > > brahmins

> > > > > > > > > unaware of any religious rituals for these holy

> jobs.

> > most

> > > > > > > civil

> > > > > > > > > servants decades ago used to be brahmins and now

due

> to

> > > > > > > > reservation,

> > > > > > > > > around 90% of government employees are non

> brahmins.

> > still

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > large

> > > > > > > > > hue and cry is made every day for the success of

> these

> > > > > > > brahmins.

> > > > > > > > > seeing the poor plight of these brahmins in

> minority,

> > > > sometime

> > > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > > mulayamsingh offered to consider a 5% reservation

> for

> > > > > > brahmins.

> > > > > > > > > within my family clan, we have great freedom

> fighters,

> > > > > > > headmaster

> > > > > > > > > and principals, poets, astrologers, doctors of most

> > repute

> > > > in

> > > > > > US

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 100% younger generation are in most successful in

> IT,

> > > > > > > engineering or

> > > > > > > > > medicine profession and it is no exaggeration if i

> say

> > that

> > > > 99%

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > these younger intelligent generation are in US.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in many cities you would find poor brahmins who

have

> > not

> > > > > > > switched

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > other intelligent professions are still languishing

> in

> > > > > > poverty.

> > > > > > > > > every morning i find dozens of karmakandi brahmins

> > standing

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > > sitting on the footpath of the road in front of the

> > railway

> > > > > > > station

> > > > > > > > > waiting for some customers to pick them for their

> daily

> > > > wages.

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > is only because they have not adapted to the

> > professions

> > > > which

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > in belief as on date and are sticking to a century

> old

> > holy

> > > > > > > noble

> > > > > > > > > profession which is not only ridiculed by the so

> called

> > > > > > educated

> > > > > > > > > scientists but also painted bad by the communists.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > having seen all this, i took it as a challenge for

> > myself

> > > > to

> > > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > > my lucrative best mnc jobs and serve all the

> suffering

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > > through our religious holy ways and most of my

> > customers

> > > > are

> > > > > > non

> > > > > > > > > brahmins and many are from other religions as i

> treat

> > all

> > > > human

> > > > > > > > > beings equally as god.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prafullaji, your observation may be restricted to

> few

> > > > > > > individuals at

> > > > > > > > > best, but to say that KARMAKANDI BRAHMINS exploited

> all

> > is

> > > > far

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > truth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin

migrant

> > > > illiterate

> > > > > > > > > workers posing as poojaris and cheating the

> customers.

> > in

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears

> are

> > now

> > > > > > > > poojaris

> > > > > > > > > in the same temples which were built only for

> > landgrabbing

> > > > and

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > construct shops on all three sides and sell them

for

> > huge

> > > > > > > monies.

> > > > > > > > > most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal

> > > > > > construction

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > done by non-brahmins.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , "crystal

> > pages"

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Personally ...?

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am born with just so few neurons, so few

> abilities,

> > so

> > > > few

> > > > > > > > > options,

> > > > > > > > > > such a little time and scope to live this

lifetime!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of

> living

> > the

> > > > > > > reality

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > others who would impose on us their (?) reality

> and

> > waste

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > time we have in this lifetime?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Are they even worth the consideration, after what

> we

> > have

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > far?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > >

, "Prafulla

> > Gang"

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Very well said.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction

> > (between

> > > > > > > relgion

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief

> > systems)

> > > > > > > itself,

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > commenting about. They are "pure and

acceptable"

> > for

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > > > system / religion. I am not talking about

> > > > rationalization

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be

> black

> > or

> > > > > > white

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization

> (for

> > > > common

> > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each

> belief

> > > > system) -

> > > > > > > who,

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's

> > > > > > very "faith".

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life

> of

> > > > masses.

> > > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > > Example

> > > > > > > > > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins

> (cows

> > etc)

> > > > in

> > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural

> > India -

> > > > where

> > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs

> > (including

> > > > on

> > > > > > > deaths

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the family). These have led to massive

> exploitation

> > as

> > > > well

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion.

> > > > Religion

> > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its

> > practioners do

> > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not

> surfaced

> > in

> > > > > > India -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > perhaps,

> > > > > > > > > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like

> > > > Jainism,

> > > > > > > Budhism,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not

> > > > corrupted, its

> > > > > > > > > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is

> exploited,

> > its

> > > > > > > > > compliance

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality

> > brahmans

> > > > also

> > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > exist in numbers and those people who can

> > understand

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > rituals

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > true sense also have their own limitations in

> > current

> > > > yuga.

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > often

> > > > > > > > > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the

> rituals,

> > in

> > > > most

> > > > > > > cases

> > > > > > > > > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya,

> and

> > > > observe

> > > > > > > > > > the "short

> > > > > > > > > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences.

> > Charities

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > collected,

> > > > > > > > > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge

> > lands,

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life

for

> > the

> > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > of "few"

> > > > > > > > > > > and so on.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but

> > > > somehow "fear"

> > > > > > > > > created

> > > > > > > > > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for

> > exploitation.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > >

> , "crystal

> > pages"

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between

> > different

> > > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > > systems,

> > > > > > > > > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals

> > > > (karmakanda

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further

> > extend

> > > > into

> > > > > > > grey

> > > > > > > > > > magic

> > > > > > > > > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of

different

> > > > background

> > > > > > > > > > (religious,

> > > > > > > > > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have

different

> > > > tolerances

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree

> of

> > > > > > > acceptance'

> > > > > > > > > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one

> would

> > > > really

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's

> > standards

> > > > > > (this

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > general statement, so no reader should take

it

> > > > > > personally).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or

> > > > perimeter of

> > > > > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > > > > which may be rather restricted but more

> readily

> > > > > > > demonstrable

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > rather black and white. As we move into

> > > > more 'accepting'

> > > > > > > ways

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow

> and

> > the

> > > > > > > horizon

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash,

> > individuals

> > > > begin

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > fight,

> > > > > > > > > > > > because we all must hold on to our core

> beliefs

> > in

> > > > what

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > consider

> > > > > > > > > > > > reality which is generally very personal

> though

> > there

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of

> groups.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our

> sense

> > of

> > > > self

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > touch

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others,

> but

> > they

> > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > do.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters

where

> > reason

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and

> > logical

> > > > > > > > > > considerations

> > > > > > > > > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those

> who

> > like

> > > > to

> > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > > > > > out, and also has enough of a

> mystical/mysterious

> > > > flavour

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > appeal

> > > > > > > > > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is

more

> > > > forgiving.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not

> > necessarily

> > > > > > > knowers or

> > > > > > > > > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and

> it

> > is

> > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > question of

> > > > > > > > > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps

> > knows

> > > > what

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say

> that

> > > > purely

> > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > personal belief ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > , "Prafulla

> > > > Gang"

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to

do

> > > > > > > with "Jyotish".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line

> between

> > > > correct

> > > > > > > (very

> > > > > > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large

> > population).

> > > > The

> > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > is -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its

> > > > adherence..which

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > missing?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi"

> bhramans

> > (even

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question

> > on "purity"

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > pursuits?

> > > > > > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the people who are "known" in different

> cities

> > in

> > > > India

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > authorities, are just making this their

> whole

> > > > > > > > > time "business".

> > > > > > > > > > > > Almost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers

> > (???)

> > > > have

> > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > big

> > > > > > > > > > > > mess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of faith. No state or city is

exception !!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall

> not

> > > > bother

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most),

> that

> > I

> > > > know

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people

or

> > some

> > > > > > > temples

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy

> period

> > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > believed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan

> > shadow

> > > > fall

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the

> > grahan

> > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > nay,

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an

> umbrella

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > > idol

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however,

> > > > kalahasti

> > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > andhra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only

> open

> > > > during

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > grahan

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT

> > > > (somewhat

> > > > > > > > > strage)

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > collecting donations for these special

> poojas

> > > > during

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > grahan

> > > > > > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga,

> we

> > > > shall

> > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about

> how

> > > > others

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > doing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > , "Prafulla

> > > > > > > > Gang"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they

> > will

> > > > > > > explicitly

> > > > > > > > > > tell

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done

> any

> > given

> > > > > > day;

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers /

> > charities

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > > Eclipses

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there

> are

> > > > > > > very "few"

> > > > > > > > > > people -

> > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct

> > and "puristic"

> > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > performing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of

> their

> > time

> > > > in

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pursuits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own

> > karma").

> > > > Most

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested in making money

("Dukandari")

> > from

> > > > event

> > > > > > > > > driven

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rituals, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of

> > these

> > > > > > > occasions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

,

> > angel

> > > > > > > > > <angelgoel@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item

> for

> > daan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next

day ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday

> > > > morning),

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > angel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same

> night

> > > > ends

> > > > > > > itself,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be

> > only 1

> > > > hour

> > > > > > > 33

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date

> since

> > it

> > > > ends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date

> starts,

> > so

> > > > will

> > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > ,

> > > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the

> > lunar

> > > > > > > eclipse is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night

of

> > > > September

> > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN

> > EPHEMERIS

> > > > > > > > FOR 2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.d.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday

> > September

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at

> same

> > night

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > 25.08

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33

> > minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in

India,

> of

> > > > course

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view

this.,except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has

> > advised

> > > > all

> > > > > > > devout

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as

added

> by

> > me)

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requested

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking

> name

> > of

> > > > their

> > > > > > > Isht

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take

> > water or

> > > > > > food

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not

> touch

> > > > anything,

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course

> go

> > to

> > > > sleep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean

> > (Sea),

> > > > near

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in

> > temple, in

> > > > > > > places

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated

> and

> > > > gained

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightment,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana

> > > > (Eclipse),

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally

> would

> > > > accrue to

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other

> > places.The

> > > > exact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counts ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also

> has

> > been

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now

> > cannot

> > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take

> > advantage

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF

> THE

> > > > > > > > ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

> > ABSOLUTE

> > > > > > > > BLISS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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