Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Prafulla, 'IT' will change nothing! YOU CAN, though! Never give up that point of power! Even if compelled to, from time to time! Do you think, personally, that eclipses really affect individuals at all or more than states or groups of individuals? RR , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > Very interesting note!! Hope it changes the focus back to Jyotish !! > > If it does, I will be happier - even for the messages and subject lines. > > regards / Prafulla > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Beautiful! > > Now we all must live it for the rest of our existence! > > > > And while we do that, we must spend a few moments just bowing our > > heads to those who tried but couldn't! > > > > Just reality! > > > > Let us wake up to the reality of jyotish where water is likened to > > Brahmins, and other rashis to other varnas! > > > > Only through returning back to Jyotish shall we join the fountainhead > > of spirituality! > > > > RR > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear kumar ji > > > > > > all humans are shudras when they are born. only by KARAM, one can > > > grow to be a brahmin. > > > > > > the scriptures prescribed the qualities of a true brahmin which > > most > > > brahmins of today, say 99.99% lack because of the changed world > > > scenario. when invading armies kept a goal of collecting kilos of > > > sacred threads daily by converting brahmins to their religion, even > > > true brahmins have lost thier true values. i have no hesitation in > > > admitting that i too lack many qualities of an ideal brahmin as > > > described in these scriptures. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , "C.P.Kumar" > > > <pacificsiam@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun Ji, > > > > > > > > Which Brahmins are you talking about ,the one who are brahmins by > > > > birth or the one who are brahmins by karm, WHO IS A REAL BRAHMIN > > > > PLS ENLIGHTEN US . > > > > with Rgds > > > > kumar > > > > - In , "panditarjun2004" > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear prafullaji > > > > > > > > > > you have observed in one of your mails that brahmins have > > > grabbed > > > > > cows, lands etc. and exploited all. this can best be described > > > as > > > > > your personal observation as it is not a fact. > > > > > > > > > > in public groups, many members strive to put forth their > > > personal > > > > > views as they observe in their experience and understanding and > > > > > expect general acceptance. in reality many such observations > > > are > > > > > aberrations seen in isolation. > > > > > > > > > > let me put some facts which none can deny: > > > > > > > > > > centuries ago brahmins never worked for a salary or offered any > > > > > service for a living. they used to fix muhurtams for ALL > > people > > > in > > > > > their areas, do karmakanda for ALL people and impart holy > > > > knowledge > > > > > and discourses to ALL besides maintaining the holiness of the > > > > > sanctum sanctorum of the temples and other places of > > > consecration. > > > > > kings, panchayat presidents or local landlords used to offer > > > land > > > > > freely to these brahmins and also food grains and a cow. in > > all > > > > > karmakandas or for any auspicious happy occasions, they are > > > gifted > > > > > few items, clothes, money etc. and all such brahmins used to > > > live > > > > > 100% on donations given by the people VOLUNTARILY. these > > > > brahmins > > > > > also used to write books, teach the children of ALL people and > > > > > entertain with their lyrical, music and dance skills > > > > > > > > > > however, with the pogrom and forced conversion to islam by the > > > > > invading moghuls, brahmins have taken up jobs like teaching. > > > > > > > > > > later on in the last few decades with the rise of communism and > > > > > patronage by the left parties (it is a different matter that > > the > > > > > best communist country russia is now full of churches and > > > leningrad > > > > > becomes st. petersberg and many schools turn back to churches > > > but > > > > > the indian counterparts still engage in anti religious > > > propaganda) > > > > > brahmins have been removed even from the posts of poojaris as > > > > some > > > > > state governemnts have started recruiting low caste non > > brahmins > > > > > unaware of any religious rituals for these holy jobs. most > > > civil > > > > > servants decades ago used to be brahmins and now due to > > > > reservation, > > > > > around 90% of government employees are non brahmins. still a > > > > large > > > > > hue and cry is made every day for the success of these > > > brahmins. > > > > > seeing the poor plight of these brahmins in minority, sometime > > > ago > > > > > mulayamsingh offered to consider a 5% reservation for > > brahmins. > > > > > within my family clan, we have great freedom fighters, > > > headmaster > > > > > and principals, poets, astrologers, doctors of most repute in > > US > > > and > > > > > 100% younger generation are in most successful in IT, > > > engineering or > > > > > medicine profession and it is no exaggeration if i say that 99% > > > of > > > > > these younger intelligent generation are in US. > > > > > > > > > > in many cities you would find poor brahmins who have not > > > switched > > > > to > > > > > other intelligent professions are still languishing in > > poverty. > > > > > every morning i find dozens of karmakandi brahmins standing or > > > > > sitting on the footpath of the road in front of the railway > > > station > > > > > waiting for some customers to pick them for their daily wages. > > > this > > > > > is only because they have not adapted to the professions which > > > are > > > > > in belief as on date and are sticking to a century old holy > > > noble > > > > > profession which is not only ridiculed by the so called > > educated > > > > > scientists but also painted bad by the communists. > > > > > > > > > > having seen all this, i took it as a challenge for myself to > > > leave > > > > > my lucrative best mnc jobs and serve all the suffering people > > > > > through our religious holy ways and most of my customers are > > non > > > > > brahmins and many are from other religions as i treat all human > > > > > beings equally as god. > > > > > > > > > > prafullaji, your observation may be restricted to few > > > individuals at > > > > > best, but to say that KARMAKANDI BRAHMINS exploited all is far > > > from > > > > > truth. > > > > > > > > > > in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin migrant illiterate > > > > > workers posing as poojaris and cheating the customers. in some > > > > > temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears are now > > > > poojaris > > > > > in the same temples which were built only for landgrabbing and > > > to > > > > > construct shops on all three sides and sell them for huge > > > monies. > > > > > most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal > > construction > > > are > > > > > done by non-brahmins. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally ...? > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am born with just so few neurons, so few abilities, so few > > > > > options, > > > > > > such a little time and scope to live this lifetime! > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of living the > > > reality > > > > > of > > > > > > others who would impose on us their (?) reality and waste the > > > > > little > > > > > > time we have in this lifetime? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are they even worth the consideration, after what we have > > seen > > > so > > > > > far? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between > > > relgion > > > > > and > > > > > > its > > > > > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) > > > itself, > > > > > I > > > > > > was > > > > > > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each > > > > belief > > > > > > > system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization > > > of > > > > > some > > > > > > of > > > > > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or > > white > > > in > > > > > it. > > > > > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common > > > person > > > > > like > > > > > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) - > > > who, > > > > > for > > > > > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's > > very "faith". > > > and > > > > > in > > > > > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses. > > > For > > > > > > Example > > > > > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in > > > India > > > > > has > > > > > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where > > > > > people > > > > > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on > > > deaths > > > > > in > > > > > > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well > > > by > > > > > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion > > > never > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do > > > cause > > > > > some > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in > > India - > > > > > > > > > perhaps, > > > > > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism, > > > Budhism, > > > > > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its > > > > > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its > > > > > compliance > > > > > > can > > > > > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also > > > do not > > > > > > > exist in numbers and those people who can understand the > > > > rituals > > > > > in > > > > > > > true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga. > > > This > > > > > > often > > > > > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most > > > cases > > > > > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe > > > > > > the "short > > > > > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are > > > > > > collected, > > > > > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, > > people > > > on > > > > > day > > > > > > to > > > > > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the > > > benefits > > > > > > of "few" > > > > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear" > > > > > created > > > > > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different > > > belief > > > > > > systems, > > > > > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda > > > as > > > > > you > > > > > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into > > > grey > > > > > > magic > > > > > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background > > > > > > (religious, > > > > > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances > > > or > > > > > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of > > > acceptance' > > > > > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really > > > be > > > > > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards > > (this > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > general statement, so no reader should take it > > personally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily > > > demonstrable > > > > > and > > > > > > > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' > > > ways > > > > > of > > > > > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the > > > horizon > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin > > > to > > > > > > fight, > > > > > > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what > > we > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > reality which is generally very personal though there are > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self > > > and > > > > > touch > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they > > > always > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and > > > > > beliefs > > > > > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical > > > > > > considerations > > > > > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to > > > reason > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour > > > to > > > > > > appeal > > > > > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily > > > knowers or > > > > > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a > > > > > > question of > > > > > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what > > > is > > > > > true > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely > > > based > > > > > on > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > personal belief ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do > > > with "Jyotish". > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct > > > (very > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The > > > > > issue > > > > > > is - > > > > > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which > > > is > > > > > > missing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on > > > > > events > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of > > > > > pursuits? > > > > > > Even > > > > > > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India > > > as > > > > > > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole > > > > > time "business". > > > > > > > > Almost > > > > > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have > > > made > > > > a > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > mess > > > > > > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know > > > the > > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > Ones > > > > > > > > > !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some > > > temples > > > > > who > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it > > > is > > > > > > believed > > > > > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall > > > on > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan > > period, > > > > > nay, > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the > > > > > divine > > > > > > idol > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti > > > > temple > > > > > in > > > > > > > > andhra > > > > > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during > > the > > > > > grahan > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat > > > > > strage) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during > > > the > > > > > > grahan > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall > > > keep > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others > > > are > > > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > > > > Gang" > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will > > > explicitly > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given > > day; > > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on > > > > > Eclipses > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > lesser > > > > > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are > > > very "few" > > > > > > people - > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" > > methods > > > of > > > > > > > > performing > > > > > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in > > > their > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > pursuits > > > > > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event > > > > > driven > > > > > > > > > > rituals, in > > > > > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these > > > occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , angel > > > > > <angelgoel@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), > > do > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends > > > itself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour > > > 33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will > > > end > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar > > > eclipse is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS > > > > FOR 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on > > > > 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all > > > devout > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their > > > Isht > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or > > food > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in > > > places > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been > > given > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE > > > > ULTIMATE > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE > > > > BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji, It is heart breaking to know from you - "IT" will not change the perspective. Yes, for me - It has been great learning (though not compelled one !!) from you. Perhaps - I must also learn to write appeasing notes, so that generalized opinions are not perceived personal ones. But another thought, why should not larger interest be written about? Difficult to blend two for my slower mind !! It has been indeed, huge learning for me - after a long time. Perhaps, my weekend is utlised properly. regards / Prafulla , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Prafulla, > > 'IT' will change nothing! > YOU CAN, though! > Never give up that point of power! > Even if compelled to, from time to time! > > Do you think, personally, that eclipses really affect individuals at > all or more than states or groups of individuals? > > RR > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > Very interesting note!! Hope it changes the focus back to > Jyotish !! > > > > If it does, I will be happier - even for the messages and subject > lines. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Beautiful! > > > Now we all must live it for the rest of our existence! > > > > > > And while we do that, we must spend a few moments just bowing our > > > heads to those who tried but couldn't! > > > > > > Just reality! > > > > > > Let us wake up to the reality of jyotish where water is likened > to > > > Brahmins, and other rashis to other varnas! > > > > > > Only through returning back to Jyotish shall we join the > fountainhead > > > of spirituality! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear kumar ji > > > > > > > > all humans are shudras when they are born. only by KARAM, one > can > > > > grow to be a brahmin. > > > > > > > > the scriptures prescribed the qualities of a true brahmin which > > > most > > > > brahmins of today, say 99.99% lack because of the changed world > > > > scenario. when invading armies kept a goal of collecting kilos > of > > > > sacred threads daily by converting brahmins to their religion, > even > > > > true brahmins have lost thier true values. i have no > hesitation in > > > > admitting that i too lack many qualities of an ideal brahmin as > > > > described in these scriptures. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , "C.P.Kumar" > > > > <pacificsiam@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Which Brahmins are you talking about ,the one who are > brahmins by > > > > > birth or the one who are brahmins by karm, WHO IS A REAL > BRAHMIN > > > > > PLS ENLIGHTEN US . > > > > > with Rgds > > > > > kumar > > > > > - In , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafullaji > > > > > > > > > > > > you have observed in one of your mails that brahmins have > > > > grabbed > > > > > > cows, lands etc. and exploited all. this can best be > described > > > > as > > > > > > your personal observation as it is not a fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > in public groups, many members strive to put forth their > > > > personal > > > > > > views as they observe in their experience and understanding > and > > > > > > expect general acceptance. in reality many such > observations > > > > are > > > > > > aberrations seen in isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > let me put some facts which none can deny: > > > > > > > > > > > > centuries ago brahmins never worked for a salary or offered > any > > > > > > service for a living. they used to fix muhurtams for ALL > > > people > > > > in > > > > > > their areas, do karmakanda for ALL people and impart holy > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > and discourses to ALL besides maintaining the holiness of > the > > > > > > sanctum sanctorum of the temples and other places of > > > > consecration. > > > > > > kings, panchayat presidents or local landlords used to > offer > > > > land > > > > > > freely to these brahmins and also food grains and a cow. > in > > > all > > > > > > karmakandas or for any auspicious happy occasions, they are > > > > gifted > > > > > > few items, clothes, money etc. and all such brahmins used > to > > > > live > > > > > > 100% on donations given by the people VOLUNTARILY. these > > > > > brahmins > > > > > > also used to write books, teach the children of ALL people > and > > > > > > entertain with their lyrical, music and dance skills > > > > > > > > > > > > however, with the pogrom and forced conversion to islam by > the > > > > > > invading moghuls, brahmins have taken up jobs like teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > later on in the last few decades with the rise of communism > and > > > > > > patronage by the left parties (it is a different matter > that > > > the > > > > > > best communist country russia is now full of churches and > > > > leningrad > > > > > > becomes st. petersberg and many schools turn back to > churches > > > > but > > > > > > the indian counterparts still engage in anti religious > > > > propaganda) > > > > > > brahmins have been removed even from the posts of poojaris > as > > > > > some > > > > > > state governemnts have started recruiting low caste non > > > brahmins > > > > > > unaware of any religious rituals for these holy jobs. most > > > > civil > > > > > > servants decades ago used to be brahmins and now due to > > > > > reservation, > > > > > > around 90% of government employees are non brahmins. still > a > > > > > large > > > > > > hue and cry is made every day for the success of these > > > > brahmins. > > > > > > seeing the poor plight of these brahmins in minority, > sometime > > > > ago > > > > > > mulayamsingh offered to consider a 5% reservation for > > > brahmins. > > > > > > within my family clan, we have great freedom fighters, > > > > headmaster > > > > > > and principals, poets, astrologers, doctors of most repute > in > > > US > > > > and > > > > > > 100% younger generation are in most successful in IT, > > > > engineering or > > > > > > medicine profession and it is no exaggeration if i say that > 99% > > > > of > > > > > > these younger intelligent generation are in US. > > > > > > > > > > > > in many cities you would find poor brahmins who have not > > > > switched > > > > > to > > > > > > other intelligent professions are still languishing in > > > poverty. > > > > > > every morning i find dozens of karmakandi brahmins standing > or > > > > > > sitting on the footpath of the road in front of the railway > > > > station > > > > > > waiting for some customers to pick them for their daily > wages. > > > > this > > > > > > is only because they have not adapted to the professions > which > > > > are > > > > > > in belief as on date and are sticking to a century old holy > > > > noble > > > > > > profession which is not only ridiculed by the so called > > > educated > > > > > > scientists but also painted bad by the communists. > > > > > > > > > > > > having seen all this, i took it as a challenge for myself > to > > > > leave > > > > > > my lucrative best mnc jobs and serve all the suffering > people > > > > > > through our religious holy ways and most of my customers > are > > > non > > > > > > brahmins and many are from other religions as i treat all > human > > > > > > beings equally as god. > > > > > > > > > > > > prafullaji, your observation may be restricted to few > > > > individuals at > > > > > > best, but to say that KARMAKANDI BRAHMINS exploited all is > far > > > > from > > > > > > truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin migrant > illiterate > > > > > > workers posing as poojaris and cheating the customers. in > some > > > > > > temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears are now > > > > > poojaris > > > > > > in the same temples which were built only for landgrabbing > and > > > > to > > > > > > construct shops on all three sides and sell them for huge > > > > monies. > > > > > > most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal > > > construction > > > > are > > > > > > done by non-brahmins. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally ...? > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am born with just so few neurons, so few abilities, so > few > > > > > > options, > > > > > > > such a little time and scope to live this lifetime! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of living the > > > > reality > > > > > > of > > > > > > > others who would impose on us their (?) reality and waste > the > > > > > > little > > > > > > > time we have in this lifetime? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are they even worth the consideration, after what we have > > > seen > > > > so > > > > > > far? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between > > > > relgion > > > > > > and > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) > > > > itself, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for > each > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > system / religion. I am not talking about > rationalization > > > > of > > > > > > some > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or > > > white > > > > in > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for > common > > > > person > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief > system) - > > > > who, > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's > > > very "faith". > > > > and > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of > masses. > > > > For > > > > > > > Example > > > > > > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) > in > > > > India > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - > where > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including > on > > > > deaths > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as > well > > > > by > > > > > > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. > Religion > > > > never > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do > > > > cause > > > > > > some > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in > > > India - > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps, > > > > > > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like > Jainism, > > > > Budhism, > > > > > > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not > corrupted, its > > > > > > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its > > > > > > compliance > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans > also > > > > do not > > > > > > > > exist in numbers and those people who can understand > the > > > > > rituals > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > true sense also have their own limitations in current > yuga. > > > > This > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in > most > > > > cases > > > > > > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and > observe > > > > > > > the "short > > > > > > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities > are > > > > > > > collected, > > > > > > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, > > > people > > > > on > > > > > > day > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the > > > > benefits > > > > > > > of "few" > > > > > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but > somehow "fear" > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different > > > > belief > > > > > > > systems, > > > > > > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals > (karmakanda > > > > as > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend > into > > > > grey > > > > > > > magic > > > > > > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different > background > > > > > > > (religious, > > > > > > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different > tolerances > > > > or > > > > > > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of > > > > acceptance' > > > > > > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would > really > > > > be > > > > > > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards > > > (this > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > general statement, so no reader should take it > > > personally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or > perimeter of > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily > > > > demonstrable > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > rather black and white. As we move into > more 'accepting' > > > > ways > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the > > > > horizon > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals > begin > > > > to > > > > > > > fight, > > > > > > > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in > what > > > we > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > reality which is generally very personal though there > are > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of > self > > > > and > > > > > > touch > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they > > > > always > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason > and > > > > > > beliefs > > > > > > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical > > > > > > > considerations > > > > > > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like > to > > > > reason > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious > flavour > > > > to > > > > > > > appeal > > > > > > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more > forgiving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily > > > > knowers or > > > > > > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is > not a > > > > > > > question of > > > > > > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows > what > > > > is > > > > > > true > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that > purely > > > > based > > > > > > on > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > personal belief ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > Gang" > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do > > > > with "Jyotish". > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between > correct > > > > (very > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). > The > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > is - > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its > adherence..which > > > > is > > > > > > > missing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even > on > > > > > > events > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" > of > > > > > > pursuits? > > > > > > > Even > > > > > > > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in > India > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole > > > > > > time "business". > > > > > > > > > Almost > > > > > > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) > have > > > > made > > > > > a > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > mess > > > > > > > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not > bother > > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I > know > > > > the > > > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > > Ones > > > > > > > > > > !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some > > > > temples > > > > > > who > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that > it > > > > is > > > > > > > believed > > > > > > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow > fall > > > > on > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan > > > period, > > > > > > nay, > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for > the > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > idol > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, > kalahasti > > > > > temple > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > andhra > > > > > > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open > during > > > the > > > > > > grahan > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT > (somewhat > > > > > > strage) > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas > during > > > > the > > > > > > > grahan > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we > shall > > > > keep > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how > others > > > > are > > > > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > > > > > Gang" > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given > > > day; > > > > > and > > > > > > so > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities > on > > > > > > Eclipses > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > lesser > > > > > > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are > > > > very "few" > > > > > > > people - > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" > > > methods > > > > of > > > > > > > > > performing > > > > > > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time > in > > > > their > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > pursuits > > > > > > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). > Most > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from > event > > > > > > driven > > > > > > > > > > > rituals, in > > > > > > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these > > > > occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , angel > > > > > > <angelgoel@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday > morning), > > > do > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night > ends > > > > itself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 > hour > > > > 33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it > ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so > will > > > > end > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar > > > > eclipse is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of > September > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS > > > > > FOR 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September > 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night > on > > > > > 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of > course > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised > all > > > > devout > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of > their > > > > Isht > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or > > > food > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch > anything, > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to > sleep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in > > > > places > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and > gained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana > (Eclipse), > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would > accrue to > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been > > > given > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE > > > > > ULTIMATE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE > > > > > BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Prafulla, It has been my experience that it is rare for a human being to change. We learn to modify our mask (masks nativities wear!) but the inside remains the same. And perhaps that is indeed how it must be in the natural course of things. If people were capable of changing drastically, then patterns would be less predictable and astrology would be even more difficult to practice and pin down. And then, the sceptics would really have a field day! Anyway, let us keep working at it and not get distracted by them. RR , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > It is heart breaking to know from you - "IT" will not change the > perspective. Yes, for me - It has been great learning (though not > compelled one !!) from you. > > Perhaps - I must also learn to write appeasing notes, so that > generalized opinions are not perceived personal ones. But another > thought, why should not larger interest be written about? Difficult to > blend two for my slower mind !! > > It has been indeed, huge learning for me - after a long time. Perhaps, > my weekend is utlised properly. > > regards / Prafulla > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Prafulla, > > > > 'IT' will change nothing! > > YOU CAN, though! > > Never give up that point of power! > > Even if compelled to, from time to time! > > > > Do you think, personally, that eclipses really affect individuals at > > all or more than states or groups of individuals? > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > Very interesting note!! Hope it changes the focus back to > > Jyotish !! > > > > > > If it does, I will be happier - even for the messages and subject > > lines. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Beautiful! > > > > Now we all must live it for the rest of our existence! > > > > > > > > And while we do that, we must spend a few moments just bowing our > > > > heads to those who tried but couldn't! > > > > > > > > Just reality! > > > > > > > > Let us wake up to the reality of jyotish where water is likened > > to > > > > Brahmins, and other rashis to other varnas! > > > > > > > > Only through returning back to Jyotish shall we join the > > fountainhead > > > > of spirituality! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear kumar ji > > > > > > > > > > all humans are shudras when they are born. only by KARAM, one > > can > > > > > grow to be a brahmin. > > > > > > > > > > the scriptures prescribed the qualities of a true brahmin which > > > > most > > > > > brahmins of today, say 99.99% lack because of the changed world > > > > > scenario. when invading armies kept a goal of collecting kilos > > of > > > > > sacred threads daily by converting brahmins to their religion, > > even > > > > > true brahmins have lost thier true values. i have no > > hesitation in > > > > > admitting that i too lack many qualities of an ideal brahmin as > > > > > described in these scriptures. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > , "C.P.Kumar" > > > > > <pacificsiam@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Which Brahmins are you talking about ,the one who are > > brahmins by > > > > > > birth or the one who are brahmins by karm, WHO IS A REAL > > BRAHMIN > > > > > > PLS ENLIGHTEN US . > > > > > > with Rgds > > > > > > kumar > > > > > > - In , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafullaji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have observed in one of your mails that brahmins have > > > > > grabbed > > > > > > > cows, lands etc. and exploited all. this can best be > > described > > > > > as > > > > > > > your personal observation as it is not a fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in public groups, many members strive to put forth their > > > > > personal > > > > > > > views as they observe in their experience and understanding > > and > > > > > > > expect general acceptance. in reality many such > > observations > > > > > are > > > > > > > aberrations seen in isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me put some facts which none can deny: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > centuries ago brahmins never worked for a salary or offered > > any > > > > > > > service for a living. they used to fix muhurtams for ALL > > > > people > > > > > in > > > > > > > their areas, do karmakanda for ALL people and impart holy > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > and discourses to ALL besides maintaining the holiness of > > the > > > > > > > sanctum sanctorum of the temples and other places of > > > > > consecration. > > > > > > > kings, panchayat presidents or local landlords used to > > offer > > > > > land > > > > > > > freely to these brahmins and also food grains and a cow. > > in > > > > all > > > > > > > karmakandas or for any auspicious happy occasions, they are > > > > > gifted > > > > > > > few items, clothes, money etc. and all such brahmins used > > to > > > > > live > > > > > > > 100% on donations given by the people VOLUNTARILY. these > > > > > > brahmins > > > > > > > also used to write books, teach the children of ALL people > > and > > > > > > > entertain with their lyrical, music and dance skills > > > > > > > > > > > > > > however, with the pogrom and forced conversion to islam by > > the > > > > > > > invading moghuls, brahmins have taken up jobs like teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later on in the last few decades with the rise of communism > > and > > > > > > > patronage by the left parties (it is a different matter > > that > > > > the > > > > > > > best communist country russia is now full of churches and > > > > > leningrad > > > > > > > becomes st. petersberg and many schools turn back to > > churches > > > > > but > > > > > > > the indian counterparts still engage in anti religious > > > > > propaganda) > > > > > > > brahmins have been removed even from the posts of poojaris > > as > > > > > > some > > > > > > > state governemnts have started recruiting low caste non > > > > brahmins > > > > > > > unaware of any religious rituals for these holy jobs. most > > > > > civil > > > > > > > servants decades ago used to be brahmins and now due to > > > > > > reservation, > > > > > > > around 90% of government employees are non brahmins. still > > a > > > > > > large > > > > > > > hue and cry is made every day for the success of these > > > > > brahmins. > > > > > > > seeing the poor plight of these brahmins in minority, > > sometime > > > > > ago > > > > > > > mulayamsingh offered to consider a 5% reservation for > > > > brahmins. > > > > > > > within my family clan, we have great freedom fighters, > > > > > headmaster > > > > > > > and principals, poets, astrologers, doctors of most repute > > in > > > > US > > > > > and > > > > > > > 100% younger generation are in most successful in IT, > > > > > engineering or > > > > > > > medicine profession and it is no exaggeration if i say that > > 99% > > > > > of > > > > > > > these younger intelligent generation are in US. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in many cities you would find poor brahmins who have not > > > > > switched > > > > > > to > > > > > > > other intelligent professions are still languishing in > > > > poverty. > > > > > > > every morning i find dozens of karmakandi brahmins standing > > or > > > > > > > sitting on the footpath of the road in front of the railway > > > > > station > > > > > > > waiting for some customers to pick them for their daily > > wages. > > > > > this > > > > > > > is only because they have not adapted to the professions > > which > > > > > are > > > > > > > in belief as on date and are sticking to a century old holy > > > > > noble > > > > > > > profession which is not only ridiculed by the so called > > > > educated > > > > > > > scientists but also painted bad by the communists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having seen all this, i took it as a challenge for myself > > to > > > > > leave > > > > > > > my lucrative best mnc jobs and serve all the suffering > > people > > > > > > > through our religious holy ways and most of my customers > > are > > > > non > > > > > > > brahmins and many are from other religions as i treat all > > human > > > > > > > beings equally as god. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prafullaji, your observation may be restricted to few > > > > > individuals at > > > > > > > best, but to say that KARMAKANDI BRAHMINS exploited all is > > far > > > > > from > > > > > > > truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin migrant > > illiterate > > > > > > > workers posing as poojaris and cheating the customers. in > > some > > > > > > > temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears are now > > > > > > poojaris > > > > > > > in the same temples which were built only for landgrabbing > > and > > > > > to > > > > > > > construct shops on all three sides and sell them for huge > > > > > monies. > > > > > > > most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal > > > > construction > > > > > are > > > > > > > done by non-brahmins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally ...? > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am born with just so few neurons, so few abilities, so > > few > > > > > > > options, > > > > > > > > such a little time and scope to live this lifetime! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of living the > > > > > reality > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > others who would impose on us their (?) reality and waste > > the > > > > > > > little > > > > > > > > time we have in this lifetime? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are they even worth the consideration, after what we have > > > > seen > > > > > so > > > > > > > far? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between > > > > > relgion > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) > > > > > itself, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for > > each > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > system / religion. I am not talking about > > rationalization > > > > > of > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or > > > > white > > > > > in > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for > > common > > > > > person > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief > > system) - > > > > > who, > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's > > > > very "faith". > > > > > and > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of > > masses. > > > > > For > > > > > > > > Example > > > > > > > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) > > in > > > > > India > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - > > where > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including > > on > > > > > deaths > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as > > well > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. > > Religion > > > > > never > > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do > > > > > cause > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in > > > > India - > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps, > > > > > > > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like > > Jainism, > > > > > Budhism, > > > > > > > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not > > corrupted, its > > > > > > > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its > > > > > > > compliance > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans > > also > > > > > do not > > > > > > > > > exist in numbers and those people who can understand > > the > > > > > > rituals > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > true sense also have their own limitations in current > > yuga. > > > > > This > > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in > > most > > > > > cases > > > > > > > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and > > observe > > > > > > > > the "short > > > > > > > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities > > are > > > > > > > > collected, > > > > > > > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, > > > > people > > > > > on > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the > > > > > benefits > > > > > > > > of "few" > > > > > > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but > > somehow "fear" > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > systems, > > > > > > > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals > > (karmakanda > > > > > as > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend > > into > > > > > grey > > > > > > > > magic > > > > > > > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different > > background > > > > > > > > (religious, > > > > > > > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different > > tolerances > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of > > > > > acceptance' > > > > > > > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would > > really > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards > > > > (this > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > general statement, so no reader should take it > > > > personally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or > > perimeter of > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily > > > > > demonstrable > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > rather black and white. As we move into > > more 'accepting' > > > > > ways > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the > > > > > horizon > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals > > begin > > > > > to > > > > > > > > fight, > > > > > > > > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in > > what > > > > we > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > reality which is generally very personal though there > > are > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of > > self > > > > > and > > > > > > > touch > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they > > > > > always > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason > > and > > > > > > > beliefs > > > > > > > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical > > > > > > > > considerations > > > > > > > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like > > to > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious > > flavour > > > > > to > > > > > > > > appeal > > > > > > > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more > > forgiving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily > > > > > knowers or > > > > > > > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is > > not a > > > > > > > > question of > > > > > > > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that > > purely > > > > > based > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > personal belief ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > > Gang" > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do > > > > > with "Jyotish". > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between > > correct > > > > > (very > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). > > The > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > is - > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its > > adherence..which > > > > > is > > > > > > > > missing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even > > on > > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" > > of > > > > > > > pursuits? > > > > > > > > Even > > > > > > > > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in > > India > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole > > > > > > > time "business". > > > > > > > > > > Almost > > > > > > > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) > > have > > > > > made > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > mess > > > > > > > > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not > > bother > > > > > about > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I > > know > > > > > the > > > > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > > > Ones > > > > > > > > > > > !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some > > > > > temples > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > believed > > > > > > > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow > > fall > > > > > on > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan > > > > period, > > > > > > > nay, > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for > > the > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > idol > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, > > kalahasti > > > > > > temple > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > andhra > > > > > > > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open > > during > > > > the > > > > > > > grahan > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT > > (somewhat > > > > > > > strage) > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas > > during > > > > > the > > > > > > > > grahan > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we > > shall > > > > > keep > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how > > others > > > > > are > > > > > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > > > > > > Gang" > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given > > > > day; > > > > > > and > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities > > on > > > > > > > Eclipses > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > lesser > > > > > > > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are > > > > > very "few" > > > > > > > > people - > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" > > > > methods > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > performing > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time > > in > > > > > their > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > pursuits > > > > > > > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). > > Most > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from > > event > > > > > > > driven > > > > > > > > > > > > rituals, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these > > > > > occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , angel > > > > > > > <angelgoel@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday > > morning), > > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night > > ends > > > > > itself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 > > hour > > > > > 33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it > > ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so > > will > > > > > end > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar > > > > > eclipse is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of > > September > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS > > > > > > FOR 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September > > 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night > > on > > > > > > 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of > > course > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised > > all > > > > > devout > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of > > their > > > > > Isht > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or > > > > food > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch > > anything, > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to > > sleep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in > > > > > places > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and > > gained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana > > (Eclipse), > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would > > accrue to > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been > > > > given > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE > > > > > > ULTIMATE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE > > > > > > BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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