Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Only through disagreement shall we ever know that others view OUR reality differently that we must learn from! Only through boldly pointing that out shall we express that those who we so easily antagonize, do matter! for how else would we be telling them so? WE are all humans but all of us do matter, and our thoughts too for those ideas came with us presumably but reach way way beyond what we could ... , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > OOps..I just disagreed! > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > I wonder, how can someone disagree with you? > > > > Jyotish aspirants are not fragile, others may be !! Atleast jyotish > > aspirants do not need any protection from anyone. > > > > That is why, perhaps jyotish aspirants (including me) are > discussing > > this subject fearlessly. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > 'Aspiring' Jyotishis (students) are not fragile souls that must > be > > > protected or molly-coddled (sp?) but gritty worldly beings just > like > > > the rest of us that have been put through fire one way or > another > > > through REAL 24/7 life! > > > > > > Don't worry about them, or Jyotish! It has suffered enough for > too > > > long, and shall no more -- my heart feels! > > > > > > What do other JYOTISHIS feel? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > Yes, I am learning - though may be sounding bit distracted > (!!). > > > > > > > > If anyone feeling that making JR as market place for religious > and > > > > jyotish practices is in best interest of the jyotish, then let > it > > > be. > > > > But will it still serve the jyotish? > > > > > > > > I wish, "this" forum meets with aspirations of > jyotish "students". > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You are very kind, but for me *this* has always been the > reality > > > that > > > > > I want it to be. > > > > > > > > > > If it has not served **my** dreams, maybe I was the one who > was > > > > > distracted! > > > > > > > > > > This may not necessarily be your yard-stick or personal > > > experience, > > > > > Prafulla! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Honest confession - Sometimes, I feel it is worth being > selfish > > > (?) > > > > > > and learn the useful & rare lessons from you. I feel > myself > > > lucky > > > > > for > > > > > > your presence here and in fact, I Joined / resumed this, > only > > > for > > > > > your > > > > > > presence. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right..It is jyotish forum, not the > forum to > > > > > > discuss religious practices. I just happen to respond to > such > > > non > > > > > > jyotish threads. Unfortunately, this jyotish forum is > fading its > > > > > > charm, for variety of practices. I wish, forum members can > > > realize > > > > > > this that there are hardly jyotish discussions on this > forum. > > > This > > > > > has > > > > > > become market place. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We grew up to come to jyotish to learn not about karma > as > > > being > > > > > the > > > > > > > tree that is way bigger than us, at this time, and > > > > > insurmountable, > > > > > > > but to also see the mangoes that the tree is laden with! > Some > > > > > ripe, > > > > > > > others not! The ripe ones we juice for immediate > pleasure and > > > > > succour > > > > > > > and the unripe ones we pickle with patience for future > > > > > (lifetimes)! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all this time we humans simply bow gratefully to the > > > Deity of > > > > > our > > > > > > > choice, in this lifetime -- thankful that it is a mango > tree > > > we > > > > > are > > > > > > > up against and not an oak tree or cactus, for obvious > > > reasons!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing jyotish a bit, I can only add that - perhaps > all > > > these > > > > > > > plights > > > > > > > > are karmic in nature!! Isn't it ? Unfortunately, it is > > > > > compunding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafullaji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have observed in one of your mails that brahmins > have > > > > > grabbed > > > > > > > > > cows, lands etc. and exploited all. this can best > be > > > > > described > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > your personal observation as it is not a fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in public groups, many members strive to put forth > their > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > views as they observe in their experience and > > > understanding > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > expect general acceptance. in reality many such > > > observations > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > aberrations seen in isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me put some facts which none can deny: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > centuries ago brahmins never worked for a salary or > > > offered > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > service for a living. they used to fix muhurtams > for ALL > > > > > people > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > their areas, do karmakanda for ALL people and impart > holy > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > and discourses to ALL besides maintaining the > holiness of > > > the > > > > > > > > > sanctum sanctorum of the temples and other places of > > > > > > > consecration. > > > > > > > > > kings, panchayat presidents or local landlords used > to > > > offer > > > > > land > > > > > > > > > freely to these brahmins and also food grains and a > cow. > > > in > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > karmakandas or for any auspicious happy occasions, > they > > > are > > > > > > > gifted > > > > > > > > > few items, clothes, money etc. and all such brahmins > used > > > to > > > > > live > > > > > > > > > 100% on donations given by the people VOLUNTARILY. > these > > > > > > > brahmins > > > > > > > > > also used to write books, teach the children of ALL > > > people > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > entertain with their lyrical, music and dance skills > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > however, with the pogrom and forced conversion to > islam > > > by > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > invading moghuls, brahmins have taken up jobs like > > > teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later on in the last few decades with the rise of > > > communism > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > patronage by the left parties (it is a different > matter > > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > best communist country russia is now full of > churches and > > > > > > > leningrad > > > > > > > > > becomes st. petersberg and many schools turn back to > > > churches > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > the indian counterparts still engage in anti > religious > > > > > propaganda) > > > > > > > > > brahmins have been removed even from the posts of > > > poojaris as > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > state governemnts have started recruiting low caste > non > > > > > brahmins > > > > > > > > > unaware of any religious rituals for these holy > jobs. > > > most > > > > > civil > > > > > > > > > servants decades ago used to be brahmins and now due > to > > > > > > > reservation, > > > > > > > > > around 90% of government employees are non > brahmins. > > > still a > > > > > > > large > > > > > > > > > hue and cry is made every day for the success of > these > > > > > brahmins. > > > > > > > > > seeing the poor plight of these brahmins in > minority, > > > > > sometime > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > mulayamsingh offered to consider a 5% reservation > for > > > > > brahmins. > > > > > > > > > within my family clan, we have great freedom > fighters, > > > > > headmaster > > > > > > > > > and principals, poets, astrologers, doctors of most > > > repute in > > > > > US > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 100% younger generation are in most successful in > IT, > > > > > engineering > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > medicine profession and it is no exaggeration if i > say > > > that > > > > > 99% > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > these younger intelligent generation are in US. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in many cities you would find poor brahmins who have > not > > > > > switched > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > other intelligent professions are still languishing > in > > > > > poverty. > > > > > > > > > every morning i find dozens of karmakandi brahmins > > > standing > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > sitting on the footpath of the road in front of the > > > railway > > > > > > > station > > > > > > > > > waiting for some customers to pick them for their > daily > > > > > wages. > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > is only because they have not adapted to the > professions > > > > > which > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > in belief as on date and are sticking to a century > old > > > holy > > > > > noble > > > > > > > > > profession which is not only ridiculed by the so > called > > > > > educated > > > > > > > > > scientists but also painted bad by the communists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having seen all this, i took it as a challenge for > myself > > > to > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > my lucrative best mnc jobs and serve all the > suffering > > > people > > > > > > > > > through our religious holy ways and most of my > customers > > > are > > > > > non > > > > > > > > > brahmins and many are from other religions as i > treat all > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > beings equally as god. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prafullaji, your observation may be restricted to > few > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > best, but to say that KARMAKANDI BRAHMINS exploited > all > > > is > > > > > far > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin migrant > > > > > illiterate > > > > > > > > > workers posing as poojaris and cheating the > customers. > > > in > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears > are now > > > > > > > poojaris > > > > > > > > > in the same temples which were built only for > > > landgrabbing > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > construct shops on all three sides and sell them for > huge > > > > > > > monies. > > > > > > > > > most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal > > > > > construction > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > done by non-brahmins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > pages" > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally ...? > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am born with just so few neurons, so few > abilities, > > > so > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > options, > > > > > > > > > > such a little time and scope to live this lifetime! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of > living > > > the > > > > > > > reality > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > others who would impose on us their (?) reality > and > > > waste > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > little > > > > > > > > > > time we have in this lifetime? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are they even worth the consideration, after what > we > > > have > > > > > seen > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > far? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > > > Gang" > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction > (between > > > > > relgion > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief > > > systems) > > > > > > > itself, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" > for > > > each > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > > system / religion. I am not talking about > > > > > rationalization of > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be > black > > > or > > > > > white > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization > (for > > > common > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each > belief > > > > > system) - > > > > > > > who, > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's > > > > > very "faith". > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life > of > > > masses. > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > > Example > > > > > > > > > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins > (cows > > > etc) in > > > > > > > India > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural > India - > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs > > > (including on > > > > > > > deaths > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > the family). These have led to massive > exploitation > > > as > > > > > well by > > > > > > > > > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. > > > Religion > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its > practioners > > > do > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not > surfaced in > > > > > India - > > > > > > > > > > perhaps, > > > > > > > > > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like > > > Jainism, > > > > > > > Budhism, > > > > > > > > > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not > > > corrupted, > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is > exploited, > > > its > > > > > > > > > compliance > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality > brahmans > > > > > also do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > exist in numbers and those people who can > understand > > > the > > > > > > > rituals > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > true sense also have their own limitations in > current > > > > > yuga. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the > rituals, in > > > > > most > > > > > > > cases > > > > > > > > > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, > and > > > > > observe > > > > > > > > > > the "short > > > > > > > > > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. > > > Charities > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > collected, > > > > > > > > > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge > lands, > > > > > people > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for > the > > > > > benefits > > > > > > > > > > of "few" > > > > > > > > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but > > > > > somehow "fear" > > > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for > > > exploitation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > > > pages" > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between > > > different > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > systems, > > > > > > > > > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals > > > > > (karmakanda as > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further > extend > > > into > > > > > > > grey > > > > > > > > > > magic > > > > > > > > > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different > > > > > background > > > > > > > > > > (religious, > > > > > > > > > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different > > > > > tolerances > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree > of > > > > > > > acceptance' > > > > > > > > > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one > would > > > > > really be > > > > > > > > > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's > > > standards > > > > > (this > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > general statement, so no reader should take it > > > > > personally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or > > > perimeter > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > > > which may be rather restricted but more > readily > > > > > > > demonstrable > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > rather black and white. As we move into > > > > > more 'accepting' > > > > > > > ways > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow > and > > > the > > > > > > > horizon > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, > individuals > > > > > begin > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > fight, > > > > > > > > > > > > because we all must hold on to our core > beliefs in > > > what > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > reality which is generally very personal > though > > > there > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of > groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our > sense of > > > self > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > touch > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, > but > > > they > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where > > > reason > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > beliefs > > > > > > > > > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > considerations > > > > > > > > > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those > who > > > like to > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > out, and also has enough of a > mystical/mysterious > > > > > flavour > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > appeal > > > > > > > > > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more > > > > > forgiving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not > necessarily > > > > > knowers > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and > it is > > > not > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > question of > > > > > > > > > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps > knows > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say > that > > > purely > > > > > > > based > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > personal belief ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > > > > > Gang" > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do > > > > > > > with "Jyotish". > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line > between > > > correct > > > > > > > (very > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large > > > population). > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > is - > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its > > > > > adherence..which is > > > > > > > > > > missing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" > bhramans > > > (even > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question > > > on "purity" of > > > > > > > > > pursuits? > > > > > > > > > > Even > > > > > > > > > > > > > the people who are "known" in different > cities in > > > > > India as > > > > > > > > > > > > > authorities, are just making this their > whole > > > > > > > > > time "business". > > > > > > > > > > > > Almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers > (???) > > > have > > > > > > > made a > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > mess > > > > > > > > > > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall > not > > > bother > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), > that I > > > know > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > > > > > Ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or > some > > > > > temples > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy > period > > > that > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > believed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan > > > shadow > > > > > fall > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the > grahan > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > nay, > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an > umbrella > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > idol > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, > > > kalahasti > > > > > > > temple > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > andhra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only > open > > > during > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > grahan > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT > > > (somewhat > > > > > > > > > strage) > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collecting donations for these special > poojas > > > > > during > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > grahan > > > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, > we > > > shall > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about > how > > > > > others > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > > > > > > > Gang" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they > will > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done > any > > > given > > > > > day; > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / > charities > > > on > > > > > > > > > Eclipses > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lesser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there > are > > > > > > > very "few" > > > > > > > > > > people - > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct > and "puristic" > > > > > methods > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > performing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of > their > > > time in > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pursuits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own > karma"). > > > > > Most in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") > from > > > > > event > > > > > > > > > driven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rituals, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of > these > > > > > > > occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > angel > > > > > > > > > <angelgoel@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item > for daan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday > > > morning), > > > > > do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same > night > > > ends > > > > > > > itself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be > only > > > 1 > > > > > hour 33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date > since > > > it > > > > > ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date > starts, > > > so > > > > > will > > > > > > > end > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the > lunar > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of > > > > > September 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN > EPHEMERIS > > > FOR > > > > > 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday > > > September > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at > same > > > night > > > > > on > > > > > > > 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, > of > > > > > course no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has > advised > > > all > > > > > > > devout > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added > by > > > me) > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking > name of > > > > > their > > > > > > > Isht > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take > water > > > or > > > > > food > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not > touch > > > > > anything, > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course > go to > > > > > sleep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean > (Sea), > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in > temple, > > > in > > > > > places > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated > and > > > gained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana > > > > > (Eclipse), has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally > would > > > accrue > > > > > to a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other > places.The > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also > has > > > been > > > > > given > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now > > > cannot > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take > > > advantage of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF > THE > > > ULTIMATE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF > ABSOLUTE > > > > > BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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