NOW ASKING ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF WEEKDAYS [??}

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Yes we must and LORD INTERNET (aka KALKI AWATAAR) has provided us

with emoticons to announce that!

 

Like :-)

 

SERIOUSLY though, I have sought but not been convinced really that

our Vedic ancestors followed the seven planet week (Sunday to

Saturday) like umm... the Romans did, that we follow worldwide these

days and as far back as our last few generations in India do!

 

Let us not use HORAS as a reason for justifying the weekdays!

 

Anyone ready to help solve this guththee?

 

RR

 

 

, "Prafulla <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan ji

>

> You are very correct. We do not have much time to look at others.

They

> are not even worth the considerations.

>

> I agree and whole heartedly to your approach. But you will

> agree that, we must have weekends (breaks !!) and little time for

> spices too.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Personally ...?

> > Dear Prafulla,

> >

> > I am born with just so few neurons, so few abilities, so few

options,

> > such a little time and scope to live this lifetime!

> >

> > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of living the reality

of

> > others who would impose on us their (?) reality and waste the

little

> > time we have in this lifetime?

> >

> > Are they even worth the consideration, after what we have seen so

far?

> >

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > >

> > > Very well said.

> > >

> > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between relgion

and

> > its

> > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) itself,

I

> > was

> > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each belief

> > > system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization of

some

> > of

> > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or white in

it.

> > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common person

like

> > > me) may be little too far stretching of it.

> > >

> > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) -

who, for

> > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's very "faith".

and in

> > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses. For

> > Example

> > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in India

has

> > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where

people

> > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on

deaths in

> > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well by

> > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion never

> > becomes

> > > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do cause

some

> > of

> > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in India -

> > perhaps,

> > > there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism,

Budhism,

> > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc).

> > >

> > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its

> > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its

compliance

> > can

> > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also do

not

> > > exist in numbers and those people who can understand the

rituals in

> > > true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga.

This

> > often

> > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most cases

> > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe

> > the "short

> > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are

> > collected,

> > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, people on

day

> > to

> > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the benefits

> > of "few"

> > > and so on.

> > >

> > > People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear"

created

> > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > >

> > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief

> > systems,

> > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as

you

> > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey

> > magic

> > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background

> > (religious,

> > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or

> > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance'

> > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be

> > > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is

a

> > > > general statement, so no reader should take it personally).

> > > >

> > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of

belief

> > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable

and

> > > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways

of

> > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon

> > would

> > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting.

> > > >

> > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to

> > fight,

> > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we

> > consider

> > > > reality which is generally very personal though there are

enough

> > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups.

> > > >

> > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and

touch

> > and

> > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always

do.

> > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and

beliefs

> > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical

> > considerations

> > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to

reason

> > things

> > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to

> > appeal

> > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving.

> > > >

> > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers

or

> > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a

> > question of

> > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is

true

> > and

> > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based

on

> > my

> > > > personal belief ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji

> > > > >

> > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish".

> > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very

> > small

> > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The

issue

> > is -

> > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is

> > missing?

> > > > >

> > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on

events

> > like

> > > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of

pursuits?

> > Even

> > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as

> > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole

time "business".

> > > > Almost

> > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made

a

> > big

> > > > mess

> > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about

the

> > wrong

> > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the

> > correct

> > > > Ones

> > > > > !!!

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >

> > > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear prafulla ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples

who

> > are

> > > > > > doing this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is

> > believed

> > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on

> > them.

> > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period,

nay,

> > an

> > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the

divine

> > idol

> > > > to

> > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti

temple in

> > > > andhra

> > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the

grahan

> > > > time

> > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat

strage)

> > and

> > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the

> > grahan

> > > > time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep

doing

> > > > what

> > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are

> > doing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly

> > tell

> > > > you

> > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day;

and so

> > is

> > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on

Eclipses

> > has

> > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few"

> > people -

> > > > who

> > > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of

> > > > performing

> > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their

own

> > > > > > pursuits

> > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in

the

> > lot

> > > > are

> > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event

driven

> > > > > > rituals, in

> > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , angel

<angelgoel@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan

> > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not

> > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > angel

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please.

> > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No Sir.

> > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself,

> > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33

> > > > > > > > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends

> > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight

> > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > 8th morning

> > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is

> > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right.

> > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006

> > > > > > > > > a.d.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08

> > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except

> > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout

> > > > > > > > > > > > religious people,

> > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are

> > > > > > > > > > requested

> > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use

> > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht

> > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa

> > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this

> > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep

> > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near

> > > > > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places

> > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained

> > > > > > > > > > enlightment,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold

> > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a

> > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > if he does

> > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact

> > > > > > > > > figure

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > counts ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in

> > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have

> > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember

> > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > and locate.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of

> > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity

> > > > > > > > > > > > and increase

> > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >