Message to Prafulla! Dear Arjun bhai...

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Dear Arjun bhai,

 

given the reality and <poverty> of forums/fora, I know you

meant well and sincerely when you responded to the email I posted not

to address my post but to Prafulla's but the significant para in your

email caught my attention and so please allow me to bring it to the

fore ...

 

**********************

> in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin migrant illiterate

> workers posing as poojaris and cheating the customers. in some

> temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears are now poojaris

> in the same temples which were built only for landgrabbing and to

> construct shops on all three sides and sell them for huge monies.

> most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal construction

are

> done by non-brahmins.

**********************

 

I am saddned by this not for what those not *authorised* to practice

the religious craft are doing, but because there are customers that

are willing to allow them to do that!

 

Education is what is needed for the masses, and Brahmins have always

been associated with the teaching, no matter what -- represented by

the water signs and the ninth house in OUR LIFE ESSENCE -- JYOTISH!

 

Where do we begin, SIR? Here on this forum for starters??

 

rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear prafullaji

>

> you have observed in one of your mails that brahmins have grabbed

> cows, lands etc. and exploited all. this can best be described as

> your personal observation as it is not a fact.

>

> in public groups, many members strive to put forth their personal

> views as they observe in their experience and understanding and

> expect general acceptance. in reality many such observations are

> aberrations seen in isolation.

>

> let me put some facts which none can deny:

>

> centuries ago brahmins never worked for a salary or offered any

> service for a living. they used to fix muhurtams for ALL people in

> their areas, do karmakanda for ALL people and impart holy knowledge

> and discourses to ALL besides maintaining the holiness of the

> sanctum sanctorum of the temples and other places of consecration.

> kings, panchayat presidents or local landlords used to offer land

> freely to these brahmins and also food grains and a cow. in all

> karmakandas or for any auspicious happy occasions, they are gifted

> few items, clothes, money etc. and all such brahmins used to live

> 100% on donations given by the people VOLUNTARILY. these brahmins

> also used to write books, teach the children of ALL people and

> entertain with their lyrical, music and dance skills

>

> however, with the pogrom and forced conversion to islam by the

> invading moghuls, brahmins have taken up jobs like teaching.

>

> later on in the last few decades with the rise of communism and

> patronage by the left parties (it is a different matter that the

> best communist country russia is now full of churches and leningrad

> becomes st. petersberg and many schools turn back to churches but

> the indian counterparts still engage in anti religious propaganda)

> brahmins have been removed even from the posts of poojaris as some

> state governemnts have started recruiting low caste non brahmins

> unaware of any religious rituals for these holy jobs. most civil

> servants decades ago used to be brahmins and now due to

reservation,

> around 90% of government employees are non brahmins. still a large

> hue and cry is made every day for the success of these brahmins.

> seeing the poor plight of these brahmins in minority, sometime ago

> mulayamsingh offered to consider a 5% reservation for brahmins.

> within my family clan, we have great freedom fighters, headmaster

> and principals, poets, astrologers, doctors of most repute in US

and

> 100% younger generation are in most successful in IT, engineering

or

> medicine profession and it is no exaggeration if i say that 99% of

> these younger intelligent generation are in US.

>

> in many cities you would find poor brahmins who have not switched

to

> other intelligent professions are still languishing in poverty.

> every morning i find dozens of karmakandi brahmins standing or

> sitting on the footpath of the road in front of the railway station

> waiting for some customers to pick them for their daily wages.

this

> is only because they have not adapted to the professions which are

> in belief as on date and are sticking to a century old holy noble

> profession which is not only ridiculed by the so called educated

> scientists but also painted bad by the communists.

>

> having seen all this, i took it as a challenge for myself to leave

> my lucrative best mnc jobs and serve all the suffering people

> through our religious holy ways and most of my customers are non

> brahmins and many are from other religions as i treat all human

> beings equally as god.

>

> prafullaji, your observation may be restricted to few individuals

at

> best, but to say that KARMAKANDI BRAHMINS exploited all is far from

> truth.

>

> in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin migrant illiterate

> workers posing as poojaris and cheating the customers. in some

> temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears are now poojaris

> in the same temples which were built only for landgrabbing and to

> construct shops on all three sides and sell them for huge monies.

> most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal construction

are

> done by non-brahmins.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Personally ...?

> > Dear Prafulla,

> >

> > I am born with just so few neurons, so few abilities, so few

> options,

> > such a little time and scope to live this lifetime!

> >

> > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of living the reality

> of

> > others who would impose on us their (?) reality and waste the

> little

> > time we have in this lifetime?

> >

> > Are they even worth the consideration, after what we have seen so

> far?

> >

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > >

> > > Very well said.

> > >

> > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between relgion

> and

> > its

> > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) itself,

> I

> > was

> > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each belief

> > > system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization of

> some

> > of

> > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or white in

> it.

> > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common person

> like

> > > me) may be little too far stretching of it.

> > >

> > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) -

who,

> for

> > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's very "faith".

and

> in

> > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses. For

> > Example

> > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in India

> has

> > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where

> people

> > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on

deaths

> in

> > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well by

> > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion never

> > becomes

> > > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do cause

> some

> > of

> > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in India -

> > perhaps,

> > > there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism,

Budhism,

> > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc).

> > >

> > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its

> > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its

> compliance

> > can

> > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also do

not

> > > exist in numbers and those people who can understand the

rituals

> in

> > > true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga.

This

> > often

> > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most cases

> > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe

> > the "short

> > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are

> > collected,

> > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, people on

> day

> > to

> > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the benefits

> > of "few"

> > > and so on.

> > >

> > > People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear"

> created

> > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > >

> > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief

> > systems,

> > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as

> you

> > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey

> > magic

> > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background

> > (religious,

> > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or

> > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance'

> > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be

> > > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is

> a

> > > > general statement, so no reader should take it personally).

> > > >

> > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of

> belief

> > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable

> and

> > > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways

> of

> > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon

> > would

> > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting.

> > > >

> > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to

> > fight,

> > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we

> > consider

> > > > reality which is generally very personal though there are

> enough

> > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups.

> > > >

> > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and

> touch

> > and

> > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always

> do.

> > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and

> beliefs

> > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical

> > considerations

> > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to

reason

> > things

> > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to

> > appeal

> > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving.

> > > >

> > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers

or

> > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a

> > question of

> > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is

> true

> > and

> > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based

> on

> > my

> > > > personal belief ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji

> > > > >

> > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish".

> > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very

> > small

> > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The

> issue

> > is -

> > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is

> > missing?

> > > > >

> > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on

> events

> > like

> > > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of

> pursuits?

> > Even

> > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as

> > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole

> time "business".

> > > > Almost

> > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made

a

> > big

> > > > mess

> > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about

> the

> > wrong

> > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the

> > correct

> > > > Ones

> > > > > !!!

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >

> > > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear prafulla ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples

> who

> > are

> > > > > > doing this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is

> > believed

> > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on

> > them.

> > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period,

> nay,

> > an

> > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the

> divine

> > idol

> > > > to

> > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti

temple

> in

> > > > andhra

> > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the

> grahan

> > > > time

> > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat

> strage)

> > and

> > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the

> > grahan

> > > > time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep

> doing

> > > > what

> > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are

> > doing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly

> > tell

> > > > you

> > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day;

and

> so

> > is

> > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on

> Eclipses

> > has

> > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few"

> > people -

> > > > who

> > > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of

> > > > performing

> > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their

> own

> > > > > > pursuits

> > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in

> the

> > lot

> > > > are

> > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event

> driven

> > > > > > rituals, in

> > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , angel

> <angelgoel@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan

> > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not

> > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > angel

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please.

> > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No Sir.

> > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself,

> > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33

> > > > > > > > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends

> > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight

> > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > 8th morning

> > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is

> > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right.

> > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006

> > > > > > > > > a.d.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08

> > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except

> > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout

> > > > > > > > > > > > religious people,

> > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are

> > > > > > > > > > requested

> > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use

> > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht

> > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa

> > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this

> > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep

> > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near

> > > > > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places

> > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained

> > > > > > > > > > enlightment,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold

> > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a

> > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > if he does

> > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact

> > > > > > > > > figure

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > counts ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in

> > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have

> > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember

> > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > and locate.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of

> > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity

> > > > > > > > > > > > and increase

> > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

dear RRji

 

let me answer this with an anecdote. when i became the first person

after tretayuga to perform rudrabhishekam to the svayambhu shivling

at ravan janmabhoomi (which was worshipped by ravan and his father

sage visrava) for more than 40 consecutive mondays, the most learnt

brahmin of that village came to see me and he too is a great

astrologer. by seeing his face i told him that even though he has

an exalted guru and has all the best karmakandi knowledge, he is

blessed with four daughters and is living in extreme penury. many

brahmins of yesteryears who have not adapted to the changed world

scenario and forgot the desha, kala, vartamana paristhiti are still

living below poverty line.

 

as rightly summed up in one sentence by prafullaji, the karma in

this birth is the major contributor to the good or bad standard of

living of these brahmins. e.g. i used to teach maths, science and

economics to students 20 years ago in an old traditional manner (the

way my father used to) but due to the commercialisation of teaching

in india in general and Andhra in particular (which has highest

number of private engineering and medical colleges) i quit the

teaching profession.

 

realistically speaking the world is changing but those who forgot

the desha, kala, vartamana paristhiti and have not changed

themselves are suffering. when i learnt jyotish i was taught that a

person goes abroad when some of his houses are afflicted and strong

influence of rahu is seen. but later various astrologers have

written books and the jyotish schools have started teaching the

modern "videsh vaas yoga" if rahu is in these houses or affliction

of those houses and the rules of parashara have been changed to

positive language.

 

Jaundice, TB and Cancer used to be dreaded fatal diseases earlier

and now they are ordinary health problems because of improved

remedies available. similarly the modern astrologers, after enough

research, have come up with excellent remedies for all duryogas and

the most severe afflictions of houses are also reduced or removed by

these remedies which is why astrology is again gaining wide

recognition and most educated people are turning to astrology for

remedies. here people with reiki or healing knowledge (like you and

me) have an added advantage because, besides identifying the

planetary problem, we can also cure it to some extent by ourselves.

let us discount those fake healers who promise to send energy balls

like inter continental ballistic missiles.

 

when a product or service is in demand, naturally fakes and

duplicate products flood the markets. similarly due to the wide

patronage of astrology and healing, several fakes without knowledge

too are having a field day.

 

this is precisely the privilege of the educated net savvy querents

who can pick and choose knowledgeful astrologers or healers from the

web, based on their proven knoweldge or experience.

 

let us all, together, make this world a beautiful happy place for

all the suffering querents.

 

with best wishes

pandit arjun

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear Arjun bhai,

>

> given the reality and <poverty> of forums/fora, I know you

> meant well and sincerely when you responded to the email I posted

not

> to address my post but to Prafulla's but the significant para in

your

> email caught my attention and so please allow me to bring it to

the

> fore ...

>

> **********************

> > in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin migrant illiterate

> > workers posing as poojaris and cheating the customers. in some

> > temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears are now

poojaris

> > in the same temples which were built only for landgrabbing and

to

> > construct shops on all three sides and sell them for huge

monies.

> > most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal construction

> are

> > done by non-brahmins.

> **********************

>

> I am saddned by this not for what those not *authorised* to

practice

> the religious craft are doing, but because there are customers

that

> are willing to allow them to do that!

>

> Education is what is needed for the masses, and Brahmins have

always

> been associated with the teaching, no matter what -- represented

by

> the water signs and the ninth house in OUR LIFE ESSENCE -- JYOTISH!

>

> Where do we begin, SIR? Here on this forum for starters??

>

> rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear prafullaji

> >

> > you have observed in one of your mails that brahmins have

grabbed

> > cows, lands etc. and exploited all. this can best be described

as

> > your personal observation as it is not a fact.

> >

> > in public groups, many members strive to put forth their

personal

> > views as they observe in their experience and understanding and

> > expect general acceptance. in reality many such observations

are

> > aberrations seen in isolation.

> >

> > let me put some facts which none can deny:

> >

> > centuries ago brahmins never worked for a salary or offered any

> > service for a living. they used to fix muhurtams for ALL people

in

> > their areas, do karmakanda for ALL people and impart holy

knowledge

> > and discourses to ALL besides maintaining the holiness of the

> > sanctum sanctorum of the temples and other places of

consecration.

> > kings, panchayat presidents or local landlords used to offer

land

> > freely to these brahmins and also food grains and a cow. in all

> > karmakandas or for any auspicious happy occasions, they are

gifted

> > few items, clothes, money etc. and all such brahmins used to

live

> > 100% on donations given by the people VOLUNTARILY. these

brahmins

> > also used to write books, teach the children of ALL people and

> > entertain with their lyrical, music and dance skills

> >

> > however, with the pogrom and forced conversion to islam by the

> > invading moghuls, brahmins have taken up jobs like teaching.

> >

> > later on in the last few decades with the rise of communism and

> > patronage by the left parties (it is a different matter that the

> > best communist country russia is now full of churches and

leningrad

> > becomes st. petersberg and many schools turn back to churches

but

> > the indian counterparts still engage in anti religious

propaganda)

> > brahmins have been removed even from the posts of poojaris as

some

> > state governemnts have started recruiting low caste non brahmins

> > unaware of any religious rituals for these holy jobs. most

civil

> > servants decades ago used to be brahmins and now due to

> reservation,

> > around 90% of government employees are non brahmins. still a

large

> > hue and cry is made every day for the success of these

brahmins.

> > seeing the poor plight of these brahmins in minority, sometime

ago

> > mulayamsingh offered to consider a 5% reservation for brahmins.

> > within my family clan, we have great freedom fighters,

headmaster

> > and principals, poets, astrologers, doctors of most repute in US

> and

> > 100% younger generation are in most successful in IT,

engineering

> or

> > medicine profession and it is no exaggeration if i say that 99%

of

> > these younger intelligent generation are in US.

> >

> > in many cities you would find poor brahmins who have not

switched

> to

> > other intelligent professions are still languishing in poverty.

> > every morning i find dozens of karmakandi brahmins standing or

> > sitting on the footpath of the road in front of the railway

station

> > waiting for some customers to pick them for their daily wages.

> this

> > is only because they have not adapted to the professions which

are

> > in belief as on date and are sticking to a century old holy

noble

> > profession which is not only ridiculed by the so called educated

> > scientists but also painted bad by the communists.

> >

> > having seen all this, i took it as a challenge for myself to

leave

> > my lucrative best mnc jobs and serve all the suffering people

> > through our religious holy ways and most of my customers are non

> > brahmins and many are from other religions as i treat all human

> > beings equally as god.

> >

> > prafullaji, your observation may be restricted to few

individuals

> at

> > best, but to say that KARMAKANDI BRAHMINS exploited all is far

from

> > truth.

> >

> > in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin migrant illiterate

> > workers posing as poojaris and cheating the customers. in some

> > temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears are now

poojaris

> > in the same temples which were built only for landgrabbing and

to

> > construct shops on all three sides and sell them for huge

monies.

> > most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal construction

> are

> > done by non-brahmins.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Personally ...?

> > > Dear Prafulla,

> > >

> > > I am born with just so few neurons, so few abilities, so few

> > options,

> > > such a little time and scope to live this lifetime!

> > >

> > > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of living the

reality

> > of

> > > others who would impose on us their (?) reality and waste the

> > little

> > > time we have in this lifetime?

> > >

> > > Are they even worth the consideration, after what we have seen

so

> > far?

> > >

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > > >

> > > > Very well said.

> > > >

> > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between

relgion

> > and

> > > its

> > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems)

itself,

> > I

> > > was

> > > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each

belief

> > > > system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization

of

> > some

> > > of

> > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or white

in

> > it.

> > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common

person

> > like

> > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it.

> > > >

> > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) -

> who,

> > for

> > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's very "faith".

> and

> > in

> > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses.

For

> > > Example

> > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in

India

> > has

> > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where

> > people

> > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on

> deaths

> > in

> > > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well

by

> > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion

never

> > > becomes

> > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do

cause

> > some

> > > of

> > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in India -

 

> > > perhaps,

> > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism,

> Budhism,

> > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc).

> > > >

> > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its

> > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its

> > compliance

> > > can

> > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also

do

> not

> > > > exist in numbers and those people who can understand the

> rituals

> > in

> > > > true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga.

> This

> > > often

> > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most

cases

> > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe

> > > the "short

> > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are

> > > collected,

> > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, people

on

> > day

> > > to

> > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the

benefits

> > > of "few"

> > > > and so on.

> > > >

> > > > People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear"

> > created

> > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > >

> > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different

belief

> > > systems,

> > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda

as

> > you

> > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into

grey

> > > magic

> > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background

> > > (religious,

> > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances

or

> > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of

acceptance'

> > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really

be

> > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this

is

> > a

> > > > > general statement, so no reader should take it personally).

> > > > >

> > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of

> > belief

> > > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily

demonstrable

> > and

> > > > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting'

ways

> > of

> > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the

horizon

> > > would

> > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting.

> > > > >

> > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin

to

> > > fight,

> > > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we

> > > consider

> > > > > reality which is generally very personal though there are

> > enough

> > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups.

> > > > >

> > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self

and

> > touch

> > > and

> > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they

always

> > do.

> > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and

> > beliefs

> > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical

> > > considerations

> > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to

> reason

> > > things

> > > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour

to

> > > appeal

> > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving.

> > > > >

> > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily

knowers

> or

> > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a

> > > question of

> > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what

is

> > true

> > > and

> > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely

based

> > on

> > > my

> > > > > personal belief ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do

with "Jyotish".

> > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct

(very

> > > small

> > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The

> > issue

> > > is -

> > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which

is

> > > missing?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on

> > events

> > > like

> > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of

> > pursuits?

> > > Even

> > > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India

as

> > > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole

> > time "business".

> > > > > Almost

> > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have

made

> a

> > > big

> > > > > mess

> > > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother

about

> > the

> > > wrong

> > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know

the

> > > correct

> > > > > Ones

> > > > > > !!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

, "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear prafulla ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some

temples

> > who

> > > are

> > > > > > > doing this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it

is

> > > believed

> > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall

on

> > > them.

> > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period,

> > nay,

> > > an

> > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the

> > divine

> > > idol

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti

> temple

> > in

> > > > > andhra

> > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the

> > grahan

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat

> > strage)

> > > and

> > > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during

the

> > > grahan

> > > > > time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall

keep

> > doing

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others

are

> > > doing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Prafulla

Gang"

> > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will

explicitly

> > > tell

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day;

> and

> > so

> > > is

> > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on

> > Eclipses

> > > has

> > > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are

very "few"

> > > people -

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods

of

> > > > > performing

> > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in

their

> > own

> > > > > > > pursuits

> > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most

in

> > the

> > > lot

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event

> > driven

> > > > > > > rituals, in

> > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these

occasions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , angel

> > <angelgoel@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan

> > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do

not

> > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > angel

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please.

> > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > No Sir.

> > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends

itself,

> > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour

33

> > > > > > > > > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends

> > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight

> > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will

end

> > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning

> > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar

eclipse is

> > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September

6th

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006

> > > > > > > > > > a.d.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on

25.08

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no

> > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all

devout

> > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are

> > > > > > > > > > > requested

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their

Isht

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food

in

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything,

have

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep

> > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near

> > > > > > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in

places

> > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained

> > > > > > > > > > > enlightment,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse),

has

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a

> > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact

> > > > > > > > > > figure

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > counts ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given

in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot

remember

> > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of

> > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >