Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 a.d. Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. This will be visible in India, of course no one is advised to view this.,except scientist-astronomers. As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout religious people, of various religions (as added by me) are requested to make full use of these period, by taking name of their Isht Devatas (Japa and recitation), not to take water or food in this period, sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have a bath after this period is over,then of course go to sleep after that. Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near religious rivers (Ganga, Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places where already great masters have meditated and gained enlightment, and also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has to give thousands fold of results which normally would accrue to a person if he does at other times and other places.The exact figure in counts , how many thousand fold also has been given in shastras, I have personally read this, but now cannot remember where and locate. Therefor Dear members take advantage of oppurtunity and increase your spititual Bank balance, regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is between the intervening night of September 6th and 7th? Right. ms --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 a.d. > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > This will be visible in India, of course no one > is advised to view this.,except > scientist-astronomers. > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > religious people, > of various religions (as added by me) are requested > to make full use > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > Devatas (Japa > and recitation), not to take water or food in this > period, > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have a > bath after this > period is over,then of course go to sleep after > that. > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near religious > rivers (Ganga, > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places where > already > great masters have meditated and gained enlightment, > and > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has to give > thousands fold > of results which normally would accrue to a person > if he does > at other times and other places.The exact figure in > counts , > how many thousand fold also has been given in > shastras, I have > personally read this, but now cannot remember where > and locate. > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of oppurtunity > and increase > your spititual Bank balance, > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 No Sir. 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 minutes. You may say as per English date since it ends after 12.00 midnight ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end at 8th morning 1.08 am. regards, Bhaskar. , Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000 wrote: > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > between the intervening night of September 6th and > 7th? Right. > ms > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 a.d. > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no one > > is advised to view this.,except > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > religious people, > > of various religions (as added by me) are requested > > to make full use > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > Devatas (Japa > > and recitation), not to take water or food in this > > period, > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have a > > bath after this > > period is over,then of course go to sleep after > > that. > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near religious > > rivers (Ganga, > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places where > > already > > great masters have meditated and gained enlightment, > > and > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has to give > > thousands fold > > of results which normally would accrue to a person > > if he does > > at other times and other places.The exact figure in > > counts , > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > shastras, I have > > personally read this, but now cannot remember where > > and locate. > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of oppurtunity > > and increase > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Thanks a lot please. ms --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > No Sir. > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > minutes. > > You may say as per English date since it ends after > 12.00 midnight > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end at > 8th morning > 1.08 am. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , Manoj > Sharma > <manojsharma662000 wrote: > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > between the intervening night of September 6th and > > 7th? Right. > > ms > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 a.d. > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no one > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > religious people, > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > requested > > > to make full use > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > Devatas (Japa > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > this > > > period, > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have a > > > bath after this > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep after > > > that. > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > religious > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > where > > > already > > > great masters have meditated and gained > enlightment, > > > and > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has to > give > > > thousands fold > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > person > > > if he does > > > at other times and other places.The exact figure > in > > > counts , > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > shastras, I have > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > where > > > and locate. > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > oppurtunity > > > and increase > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Can you suggest any particular item for daan (donation) in this period or next day ? Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not eat anything without taking bath. thanks angel --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000 > wrote: > Thanks a lot please. > ms > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > No Sir. > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > minutes. > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > after > > 12.00 midnight > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > at > > 8th morning > > 1.08 am. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , Manoj > > Sharma > > <manojsharma662000 wrote: > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > and > > > 7th? Right. > > > ms > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > a.d. > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > one > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > religious people, > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > requested > > > > to make full use > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > this > > > > period, > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > a > > > > bath after this > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > after > > > > that. > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > religious > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > where > > > > already > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > enlightment, > > > > and > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > to > > give > > > > thousands fold > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > person > > > > if he does > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > figure > > in > > > > counts , > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > shastras, I have > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > where > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > oppurtunity > > > > and increase > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Yes,thanks for reminding, these items for donations should be taken out before the grahana itself, old clothes, foodgrains packets made, and if you are In India, normally in big cities too, we find poor people, asking for Dana (They shout verbally for all to hear), and then those who want to donate, then peep out of their windows and donate these packets with humility. regards, Bhaskar. , angel <angelgoel wrote: > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > eat anything without taking bath. > > thanks > angel > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000 wrote: > > > Thanks a lot please. > > ms > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > No Sir. > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > minutes. > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > after > > > 12.00 midnight > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > at > > > 8th morning > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Manoj > > > Sharma > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > and > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > ms > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > one > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > religious people, > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > requested > > > > > to make full use > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > this > > > > > period, > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > a > > > > > bath after this > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > after > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > religious > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > where > > > > > already > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > enlightment, > > > > > and > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > to > > > give > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > person > > > > > if he does > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > figure > > > in > > > > > counts , > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > where > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > oppurtunity > > > > > and increase > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell you that, any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has lesser relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" people - who knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of performing them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own pursuits (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot are interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven rituals, in every corner of the country on each of these occasions. regards / Prafulla Gang , angel <angelgoel wrote: > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > eat anything without taking bath. > > thanks > angel > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000 wrote: > > > Thanks a lot please. > > ms > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > No Sir. > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > minutes. > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > after > > > 12.00 midnight > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > at > > > 8th morning > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Manoj > > > Sharma > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > and > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > ms > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > one > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > religious people, > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > requested > > > > > to make full use > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > this > > > > > period, > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > a > > > > > bath after this > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > after > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > religious > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > where > > > > > already > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > enlightment, > > > > > and > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > to > > > give > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > person > > > > > if he does > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > figure > > > in > > > > > counts , > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > where > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > oppurtunity > > > > > and increase > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 dear prafulla ji your observation is true to some people or some temples who are doing this. for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is believed that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on them. hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, an additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine idol to protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in andhra pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan time but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) and collecting donations for these special poojas during the grahan time. since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing what is right without bothering too much about how others are doing. with best wishes pandit arjun , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell you that, > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has lesser > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" people - who > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of performing > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own pursuits > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot are > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven rituals, in > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > , angel <angelgoel@> wrote: > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > thanks > > angel > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > ms > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > after > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > at > > > > 8th morning > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > Sharma > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > and > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > ms > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > one > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > requested > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > this > > > > > > period, > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > a > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > after > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > religious > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > where > > > > > > already > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > and > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > to > > > > give > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > person > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > figure > > > > in > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > where > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Dear Pandit Arjun ji It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very small population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue is - knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is missing? People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events like deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? Even the people who are "known" in different cities in India as authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". Almost each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a big mess of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the wrong ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the correct Ones !!! regards / Prafulla Gang , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear prafulla ji > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who are > doing this. > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is believed > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on them. > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, an > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine idol to > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in andhra > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan time > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) and > collecting donations for these special poojas during the grahan time. > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing what > is right without bothering too much about how others are doing. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell you > that, > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has > lesser > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" people - who > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of performing > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > pursuits > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot are > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > rituals, in > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> wrote: > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > thanks > > > angel > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > ms > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > after > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > at > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > Sharma > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > and > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > ms > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > one > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > requested > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > this > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > a > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > after > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > religious > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > where > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > to > > > > > give > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > person > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > figure > > > > > in > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > where > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 dear arjunji, it is surprising to note that renowned temple like kalahasti is kept open during grahan timings and even special pujas are performed during that time.. I read as per temple agama shastras, temples or atleast karpagrahas should be kept closed and no pujas shld be performed during grahan timing and well the temple authorities are more knowledgeable than me..... now in this light, i feel there will be some significance as the temple is meant specially for rahu / ketu in the form of presiding deity shiva...the kala hasti natha swamy....does it signify anything more than eyes see... sriganeshh , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear prafulla ji > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who are > doing this. > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is believed > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on them. > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, an > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine idol to > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in andhra > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan time > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) and > collecting donations for these special poojas during the grahan time. > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing what > is right without bothering too much about how others are doing. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell you > that, > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has > lesser > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" people - who > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of performing > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > pursuits > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot are > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > rituals, in > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> wrote: > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > thanks > > > angel > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > ms > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > after > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > at > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > Sharma > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > and > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > ms > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > one > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > requested > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > this > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > a > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > after > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > religious > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > where > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > to > > > > > give > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > person > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > figure > > > > > in > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > where > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Shri Ganeshji, even in Bombay many temples are opened right now. because this is the time to do Bhajans and take Gods name. Only in Sootak time the temples are closed, which they were. regards, Bhaskar. , "sriganeshh" <sriganeshh wrote: > > dear arjunji, > > it is surprising to note that renowned temple like kalahasti is kept > open during grahan timings and even special pujas are performed > during that time.. > > I read as per temple agama shastras, temples or atleast karpagrahas > should be kept closed and no pujas shld be performed during grahan > timing and well the temple authorities are more knowledgeable than > me..... > > now in this light, i feel there will be some significance as the > temple is meant specially for rahu / ketu in the form of presiding > deity shiva...the kala hasti natha swamy....does it signify anything > more than eyes see... > > sriganeshh > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who are > > doing this. > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is believed > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on them. > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, an > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine idol > to > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in > andhra > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan time > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) and > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the grahan > time. > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing what > > is right without bothering too much about how others are doing. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell you > > that, > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has > > lesser > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" people - > who > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > performing > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > pursuits > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot are > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > rituals, in > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > angel > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > ms > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > after > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > at > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > and > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > one > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > after > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > figure > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Dear Prafulla, There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief systems, let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey magic and black magic etc). Individuals of different background (religious, cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a general statement, so no reader should take it personally). A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of belief which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable and rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways of thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon would become less and less sharp and more accpeting. When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to fight, because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we consider reality which is generally very personal though there are enough commonalities which lead to formation of groups. Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and touch and stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always do. Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and beliefs meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical considerations and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason things out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to appeal to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a question of right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is true and what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on my personal belief ;-) RR , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very small > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue is - > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is missing? > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events like > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? Even > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". Almost > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a big mess > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the wrong > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the correct Ones > !!! > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who are > > doing this. > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is believed > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on them. > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, an > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine idol to > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in andhra > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan time > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) and > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the grahan time. > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing what > > is right without bothering too much about how others are doing. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell you > > that, > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has > > lesser > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" people - who > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of performing > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > pursuits > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot are > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > rituals, in > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > angel > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > ms > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > after > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > at > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > and > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > one > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > after > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > figure > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Dear Rohini Ranjan Ji Greetings How old are you ? And what do you do ? Are you male or female ? I am just curious. The reason for me asking these questions is that your this "writing" is of very very high standard. I dont know if you are an editor or not but seems you have very good writing skills. Is your mercury or jupiter or 3rd house very strong ? Best Wishes Jagdish crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Prafulla, There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief systems, let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey magic and black magic etc). Individuals of different background (religious, cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a general statement, so no reader should take it personally). A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of belief which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable and rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways of thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon would become less and less sharp and more accpeting. When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to fight, because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we consider reality which is generally very personal though there are enough commonalities which lead to formation of groups. Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and touch and stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always do. Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and beliefs meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical considerations and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason things out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to appeal to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a question of right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is true and what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on my personal belief ;-) RR , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very small > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue is - > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is missing? > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events like > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? Even > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". Almost > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a big mess > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the wrong > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the correct Ones > !!! > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who are > > doing this. > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is believed > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on them. > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, an > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine idol to > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in andhra > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan time > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) and > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the grahan time. > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing what > > is right without bothering too much about how others are doing. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell you > > that, > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has > > lesser > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" people - who > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of performing > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > pursuits > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot are > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > rituals, in > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > angel > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > ms > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > after > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > at > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > and > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > one > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > after > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > figure > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear Prathamesh/Jagdish ji, Would my gender or age or writing abilities (?), which may have caught your attention be such strong determinants that they would invoke your curiosity to transgress the boundaries of familiarity, or absence thereof? In this cyberrealm, while many/most of us are trying so hard to create a tangible image, that we insist is our mundane and experiential and expressed reality, every single one of us, for one reason or another -- we are simply fooling ourselves and others -- perhaps. Let us just focus on the words and statements and the information we share. In this MAYAJAAL of silicon (kalki awataar's cafe!) all we have to go by is words, statements and sometimes that extra something we sense, connect to but are really not sure about! Hence we ask mundane questions to connect to and corroborate to that which we are sensing or THINK/PRESUME/CONVINCE OURSELVES that we are sensing! As any humble human being will relate to, any words that emanate from this clay-doll, this effigy of straw -- belong to that divine breath that gave this flute its sound, the music that it is wrongly attributed of possessing. RR , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ranjan Ji > > Greetings > > How old are you ? And what do you do ? Are you male or female ? > > I am just curious. > > The reason for me asking these questions is that your this "writing" is of very very high standard. I dont know if you are an editor or not but seems you have very good writing skills. > > Is your mercury or jupiter or 3rd house very strong ? > > Best Wishes > > Jagdish > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Dear Prafulla, > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief systems, > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey magic > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background (religious, > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a > general statement, so no reader should take it personally). > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of belief > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable and > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways of > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon would > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to fight, > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we consider > reality which is generally very personal though there are enough > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and touch and > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always do. > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and beliefs > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical considerations > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason things > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to appeal > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a question of > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is true and > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on my > personal belief ;-) > > RR > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very small > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue is - > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is missing? > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events like > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? Even > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > > authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". > Almost > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a big > mess > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the wrong > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the correct > Ones > > !!! > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who are > > > doing this. > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is believed > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on them. > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, an > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine idol > to > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in > andhra > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan > time > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) and > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the grahan > time. > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing > what > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are doing. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell > you > > > that, > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has > > > lesser > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" people - > who > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > performing > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > > pursuits > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot > are > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > > rituals, in > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > ms > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > after > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > > at > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > > to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Awesome Jagdish crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Prathamesh/Jagdish ji, Would my gender or age or writing abilities (?), which may have caught your attention be such strong determinants that they would invoke your curiosity to transgress the boundaries of familiarity, or absence thereof? In this cyberrealm, while many/most of us are trying so hard to create a tangible image, that we insist is our mundane and experiential and expressed reality, every single one of us, for one reason or another -- we are simply fooling ourselves and others -- perhaps. Let us just focus on the words and statements and the information we share. In this MAYAJAAL of silicon (kalki awataar's cafe!) all we have to go by is words, statements and sometimes that extra something we sense, connect to but are really not sure about! Hence we ask mundane questions to connect to and corroborate to that which we are sensing or THINK/PRESUME/CONVINCE OURSELVES that we are sensing! As any humble human being will relate to, any words that emanate from this clay-doll, this effigy of straw -- belong to that divine breath that gave this flute its sound, the music that it is wrongly attributed of possessing. RR , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ranjan Ji > > Greetings > > How old are you ? And what do you do ? Are you male or female ? > > I am just curious. > > The reason for me asking these questions is that your this "writing" is of very very high standard. I dont know if you are an editor or not but seems you have very good writing skills. > > Is your mercury or jupiter or 3rd house very strong ? > > Best Wishes > > Jagdish > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Dear Prafulla, > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief systems, > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey magic > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background (religious, > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a > general statement, so no reader should take it personally). > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of belief > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable and > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways of > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon would > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to fight, > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we consider > reality which is generally very personal though there are enough > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and touch and > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always do. > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and beliefs > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical considerations > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason things > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to appeal > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a question of > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is true and > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on my > personal belief ;-) > > RR > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very small > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue is - > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is missing? > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events like > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? Even > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > > authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". > Almost > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a big > mess > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the wrong > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the correct > Ones > > !!! > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who are > > > doing this. > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is believed > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on them. > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, an > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine idol > to > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in > andhra > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan > time > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) and > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the grahan > time. > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing > what > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are doing. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell > you > > > that, > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has > > > lesser > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" people - > who > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > performing > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > > pursuits > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot > are > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > > rituals, in > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > ms > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > after > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > > at > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > > to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji, Very well said. I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between relgion and its practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) itself, I was commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each belief system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization of some of these systems; and agree that they can not be black or white in it. These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common person like me) may be little too far stretching of it. The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) - who, for commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's very "faith". and in turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses. For Example - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in India has been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where people borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on deaths in the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well by "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion never becomes source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do cause some of the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in India - perhaps, there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism, Budhism, Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its compliance can becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also do not exist in numbers and those people who can understand the rituals in true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga. This often leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most cases (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe the "short cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are collected, land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, people on day to day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the benefits of "few" and so on. People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear" created for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation. regards / Prafulla Gang , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief systems, > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey magic > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background (religious, > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a > general statement, so no reader should take it personally). > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of belief > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable and > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways of > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon would > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to fight, > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we consider > reality which is generally very personal though there are enough > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and touch and > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always do. > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and beliefs > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical considerations > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason things > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to appeal > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a question of > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is true and > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on my > personal belief ;-) > > RR > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very small > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue is - > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is missing? > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events like > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? Even > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > > authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". > Almost > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a big > mess > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the wrong > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the correct > Ones > > !!! > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who are > > > doing this. > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is believed > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on them. > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, an > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine idol > to > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in > andhra > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan > time > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) and > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the grahan > time. > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing > what > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are doing. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell > you > > > that, > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has > > > lesser > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" people - > who > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > performing > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > > pursuits > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot > are > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > > rituals, in > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > ms > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > after > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > > at > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > > to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Jagdish, Awesome is indeed a correct description of the spin of Ranjanji's writing. But if you are curious, He has been described as a "student of Jyotisha for nearly four decades". rishi , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Awesome > > Jagdish > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Dear Prathamesh/Jagdish ji, > > Would my gender or age or writing abilities (?), which may have > caught your attention be such strong determinants that they would > invoke your curiosity to transgress the boundaries of familiarity, or > absence thereof? > > In this cyberrealm, while many/most of us are trying so hard to > create a tangible image, that we insist is our mundane and > experiential and expressed reality, every single one of us, for one > reason or another -- we are simply fooling ourselves and others -- > perhaps. > > Let us just focus on the words and statements and the information we > share. In this MAYAJAAL of silicon (kalki awataar's cafe!) all we > have to go by is words, statements and sometimes that extra something > we sense, connect to but are really not sure about! Hence we ask > mundane questions to connect to and corroborate to that which we are > sensing or THINK/PRESUME/CONVINCE OURSELVES that we are sensing! > > As any humble human being will relate to, any words that emanate from > this clay-doll, this effigy of straw -- belong to that divine breath > that gave this flute its sound, the music that it is wrongly > attributed of possessing. > > RR > > , Prathamesn Chawan > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan Ji > > > > Greetings > > > > How old are you ? And what do you do ? Are you male or female ? > > > > I am just curious. > > > > The reason for me asking these questions is that your > this "writing" is of very very high standard. I dont know if you are > an editor or not but seems you have very good writing skills. > > > > Is your mercury or jupiter or 3rd house very strong ? > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Jagdish > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief > systems, > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey magic > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background > (religious, > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a > > general statement, so no reader should take it personally). > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of belief > > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable and > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways of > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon would > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to fight, > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we consider > > reality which is generally very personal though there are enough > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and touch > and > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always do. > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and beliefs > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical > considerations > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason > things > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to appeal > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a question > of > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is true > and > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on my > > personal belief ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very small > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue is - > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is > missing? > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events like > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? > Even > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > > > authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". > > Almost > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a big > > mess > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the > wrong > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the correct > > Ones > > > !!! > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who are > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is > believed > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on them. > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, an > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine > idol > > to > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in > > andhra > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan > > time > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) and > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the grahan > > time. > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing > > what > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are doing. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell > > you > > > > that, > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has > > > > lesser > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" > people - > > who > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > > performing > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > > > pursuits > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot > > are > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > > > rituals, in > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Perhaps, commercial religion was one of the oldest profession in human history.It plays on human insecurities and desires, amassing unending profits. Cash flow never in red. Only, like some other vocations,it is not listed , otherwise, it would lead the stock market........... , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > Very well said. > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between relgion and its > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) itself, I was > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each belief > system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization of some of > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or white in it. > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common person like > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) - who, for > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's very "faith". and in > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses. For Example > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in India has > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where people > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on deaths in > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well by > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion never becomes > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do cause some of > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in India - perhaps, > there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism, Budhism, > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its compliance can > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also do not > exist in numbers and those people who can understand the rituals in > true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga. This often > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most cases > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe the "short > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are collected, > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, people on day to > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the benefits of "few" > and so on. > > People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear" created > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief systems, > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey magic > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background (religious, > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a > > general statement, so no reader should take it personally). > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of belief > > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable and > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways of > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon would > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to fight, > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we consider > > reality which is generally very personal though there are enough > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and touch and > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always do. > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and beliefs > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical considerations > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason things > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to appeal > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a question of > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is true and > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on my > > personal belief ;-) > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very small > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue is - > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is missing? > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events like > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? Even > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > > > authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". > > Almost > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a big > > mess > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the wrong > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the correct > > Ones > > > !!! > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who are > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is believed > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on them. > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, an > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine idol > > to > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in > > andhra > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan > > time > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) and > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the grahan > > time. > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing > > what > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are doing. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell > > you > > > > that, > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has > > > > lesser > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" people - > > who > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > > performing > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > > > pursuits > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot > > are > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > > > rituals, in > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear Prafulla -- Please remember this -- They are learning, just as we are ... We that are here are all in the same boat and just because we may feel often that we are on different sides and edges of the same boat - - MAKES it even more important that we think of survival and sharing and the boat in these karmic RAPIDS and not move in a group to the side that is portside or starboard, being oceanbound and what not! Together we shall fall and sink/drown or float -- together <emphasis>!! I do not see the "DWELLERS" on the ISLAND OF PRAGMATIC REALITY, our *tax*-collectors -- waking up the Rescue team or throwing any lines that would pull us out of the OCEAN of UNCERTAINTY! Are you with US? RR , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > Very well said. > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between relgion and its > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) itself, I was > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each belief > system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization of some of > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or white in it. > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common person like > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) - who, for > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's very "faith". and in > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses. For Example > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in India has > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where people > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on deaths in > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well by > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion never becomes > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do cause some of > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in India - perhaps, > there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism, Budhism, > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its compliance can > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also do not > exist in numbers and those people who can understand the rituals in > true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga. This often > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most cases > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe the "short > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are collected, > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, people on day to > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the benefits of "few" > and so on. > > People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear" created > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief systems, > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey magic > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background (religious, > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a > > general statement, so no reader should take it personally). > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of belief > > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable and > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways of > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon would > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to fight, > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we consider > > reality which is generally very personal though there are enough > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and touch and > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always do. > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and beliefs > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical considerations > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason things > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to appeal > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a question of > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is true and > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on my > > personal belief ;-) > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very small > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue is - > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is missing? > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events like > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? Even > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > > > authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". > > Almost > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a big > > mess > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the wrong > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the correct > > Ones > > > !!! > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who are > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is believed > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on them. > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, an > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine idol > > to > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in > > andhra > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan > > time > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) and > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the grahan > > time. > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing > > what > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are doing. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly tell > > you > > > > that, > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so is > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses has > > > > lesser > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" people - > > who > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > > performing > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > > > pursuits > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the lot > > are > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > > > rituals, in > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear Rishi, Religion was never up for commerce, but it was always too passive, given its TAO nature, like a ball, a kanduk, up for the grabs by this or that other faction! Sometimes kind souls tossed it up, at other times, tyrants did! Like a basketball or cricket ball -- the object (religion) will give pleasure or pain -- to individuals and groups! What are we in the STADIUM for is perhaps humanity should start focusing on! About time!! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Perhaps, commercial religion was one of the oldest profession in > human history.It plays on human insecurities and desires, amassing > unending profits. Cash flow never in red. > Only, like some other vocations,it is not listed , otherwise, it > would lead the stock market........... > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > Very well said. > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between relgion and > its > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) itself, I > was > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each belief > > system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization of some > of > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or white in it. > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common person like > > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) - who, for > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's very "faith". and in > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses. For > Example > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in India has > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where people > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on deaths in > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well by > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion never > becomes > > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do cause some > of > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in India - > perhaps, > > there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism, Budhism, > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its compliance > can > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also do not > > exist in numbers and those people who can understand the rituals in > > true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga. This > often > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most cases > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe > the "short > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are > collected, > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, people on day > to > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the benefits > of "few" > > and so on. > > > > People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear" created > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief > systems, > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey > magic > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background > (religious, > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be > > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a > > > general statement, so no reader should take it personally). > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of belief > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable and > > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways of > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon > would > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to > fight, > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we > consider > > > reality which is generally very personal though there are enough > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and touch > and > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always do. > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and beliefs > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical > considerations > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason > things > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to > appeal > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a > question of > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is true > and > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on > my > > > personal belief ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very > small > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue > is - > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is > missing? > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events > like > > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? > Even > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". > > > Almost > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a > big > > > mess > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the > wrong > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the > correct > > > Ones > > > > !!! > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who > are > > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is > believed > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on > them. > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, > an > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine > idol > > > to > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in > > > andhra > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan > > > time > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) > and > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the > grahan > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing > > > what > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are > doing. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly > tell > > > you > > > > > that, > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so > is > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses > has > > > > > lesser > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" > people - > > > who > > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > > > performing > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > > > > pursuits > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the > lot > > > are > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > > > > rituals, in > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear Members, FAITH BEGINS WHEN REASON FALTERS. Having said that for years I have been rebelling against the picture of God painted before us since childhood.I saw my mother's faithin santoshi ma's pooja. The story evoked more fear than solace. If you do this then... syndrome. Contrary to this the belief of God as Mata-Pita was and the all forgiving nature of God as nurturer could never somehoe take precedence. Arm chair critisizing may be an intoxicating past time .It cannot be an antidote. We need to teach our children the difference between religion and practises. Regards Vatsala 9811072159 crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Rishi, Religion was never up for commerce, but it was always too passive, given its TAO nature, like a ball, a kanduk, up for the grabs by this or that other faction! Sometimes kind souls tossed it up, at other times, tyrants did! Like a basketball or cricket ball -- the object (religion) will give pleasure or pain -- to individuals and groups! What are we in the STADIUM for is perhaps humanity should start focusing on! About time!! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Perhaps, commercial religion was one of the oldest profession in > human history.It plays on human insecurities and desires, amassing > unending profits. Cash flow never in red. > Only, like some other vocations,it is not listed , otherwise, it > would lead the stock market........... > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > Very well said. > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between relgion and > its > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) itself, I > was > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each belief > > system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization of some > of > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or white in it. > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common person like > > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) - who, for > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's very "faith". and in > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses. For > Example > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in India has > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where people > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on deaths in > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well by > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion never > becomes > > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do cause some > of > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in India - > perhaps, > > there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism, Budhism, > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its compliance > can > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also do not > > exist in numbers and those people who can understand the rituals in > > true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga. This > often > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most cases > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe > the "short > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are > collected, > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, people on day > to > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the benefits > of "few" > > and so on. > > > > People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear" created > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief > systems, > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey > magic > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background > (religious, > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be > > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a > > > general statement, so no reader should take it personally). > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of belief > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable and > > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways of > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon > would > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to > fight, > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we > consider > > > reality which is generally very personal though there are enough > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and touch > and > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always do. > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and beliefs > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical > considerations > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason > things > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to > appeal > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a > question of > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is true > and > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on > my > > > personal belief ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very > small > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue > is - > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is > missing? > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events > like > > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? > Even > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". > > > Almost > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a > big > > > mess > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the > wrong > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the > correct > > > Ones > > > > !!! > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who > are > > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is > believed > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on > them. > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, > an > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine > idol > > > to > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in > > > andhra > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan > > > time > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) > and > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the > grahan > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing > > > what > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are > doing. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly > tell > > > you > > > > > that, > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so > is > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses > has > > > > > lesser > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" > people - > > > who > > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > > > performing > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > > > > pursuits > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the > lot > > > are > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > > > > rituals, in > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji, I agree with your philosophy / expressions, except to the justifications / perspective for the religious practioners (primarily around Hinuism) - who are exploiting people, their sentiments, religious faith and - still wanting to be the good faces of respective societies. Should these practiced be tolerated even for the sake of survival - or just because of their tall claims of knooooowing the God? regards / Prafulla , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Prafulla -- > > Please remember this -- > > They are learning, just as we are ... > We that are here are all in the same boat and just because we may > feel often that we are on different sides and edges of the same boat - > - > > MAKES it even more important that we think of survival and sharing > and the boat in these karmic RAPIDS and not move in a group to the > side that is portside or starboard, being oceanbound and what not! > > Together we shall fall and sink/drown or float -- together > <emphasis>!! > > I do not see the "DWELLERS" on the ISLAND OF PRAGMATIC REALITY, our > *tax*-collectors -- waking up the Rescue team or throwing any lines > that would pull us out of the OCEAN of UNCERTAINTY! > > Are you with US? > > RR > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > Very well said. > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between relgion and > its > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) itself, I > was > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each belief > > system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization of some > of > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or white in it. > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common person like > > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) - who, for > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's very "faith". and in > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses. For > Example > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in India has > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where people > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on deaths in > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well by > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion never > becomes > > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do cause some > of > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in India - > perhaps, > > there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism, Budhism, > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its compliance > can > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also do not > > exist in numbers and those people who can understand the rituals in > > true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga. This > often > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most cases > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe > the "short > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are > collected, > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, people on day > to > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the benefits > of "few" > > and so on. > > > > People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear" created > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief > systems, > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey > magic > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background > (religious, > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be > > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a > > > general statement, so no reader should take it personally). > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of belief > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable and > > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways of > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon > would > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to > fight, > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we > consider > > > reality which is generally very personal though there are enough > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and touch > and > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always do. > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and beliefs > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical > considerations > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason > things > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to > appeal > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a > question of > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is true > and > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on > my > > > personal belief ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very > small > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue > is - > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is > missing? > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events > like > > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? > Even > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". > > > Almost > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a > big > > > mess > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the > wrong > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the > correct > > > Ones > > > > !!! > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who > are > > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is > believed > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on > them. > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, > an > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine > idol > > > to > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in > > > andhra > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan > > > time > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) > and > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the > grahan > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing > > > what > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are > doing. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly > tell > > > you > > > > > that, > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so > is > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses > has > > > > > lesser > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" > people - > > > who > > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > > > performing > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > > > > pursuits > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the > lot > > > are > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > > > > rituals, in > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear Vatsala/Pradeep Sahai (?) I know of one successful story where FAITH (in oneself) was overshadowed by (REASON). There is no easy fix or formula or solution! In the end, it is the belief in self (seen as a strong self or seen as GOD-SELF) that carries one through the 'bhavasagar'! WE can try and teach our children all we wish, miss or want to, all the scriptures and culture and trips to the mandir and so on, or we can just purify the point of their focus, the temple they were born in, in this lifetime, their parents! If they fail, we have too; only through their ultimate success do we parents attain salvation from the most important KARMA we were here for! RR , PRADEEP SAHAI <sahaip123 wrote: > > Dear Members, > FAITH BEGINS WHEN REASON FALTERS. > Having said that for years I have been rebelling against the picture of God painted before us since childhood.I saw my mother's faithin santoshi ma's pooja. The story evoked more fear than solace. If you do this then... syndrome. > Contrary to this the belief of God as Mata-Pita was and the all forgiving nature of God as nurturer could never somehoe take precedence. > Arm chair critisizing may be an intoxicating past time .It cannot be an antidote. We need to teach our children the difference between religion and practises. > Regards > Vatsala > 9811072159 > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Dear Rishi, > > Religion was never up for commerce, but it was always too passive, > given its TAO nature, like a ball, a kanduk, up for the grabs by this > or that other faction! > > Sometimes kind souls tossed it up, at other times, tyrants did! Like > a basketball or cricket ball -- the object (religion) will give > pleasure or pain -- to individuals and groups! > > What are we in the STADIUM for is perhaps humanity should start > focusing on! > > About time!! > > RR > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Perhaps, commercial religion was one of the oldest profession in > > human history.It plays on human insecurities and desires, amassing > > unending profits. Cash flow never in red. > > Only, like some other vocations,it is not listed , otherwise, it > > would lead the stock market........... > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between relgion and > > its > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) itself, I > > was > > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each belief > > > system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization of > some > > of > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or white in > it. > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common person > like > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) - who, > for > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's very "faith". and > in > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses. For > > Example > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in India > has > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where people > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on deaths > in > > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well by > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion never > > becomes > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do cause > some > > of > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in India - > > perhaps, > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism, Budhism, > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its > compliance > > can > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also do not > > > exist in numbers and those people who can understand the rituals > in > > > true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga. This > > often > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most cases > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe > > the "short > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are > > collected, > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, people on > day > > to > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the benefits > > of "few" > > > and so on. > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear" > created > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief > > systems, > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey > > magic > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background > > (religious, > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a > > > > general statement, so no reader should take it personally). > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of > belief > > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable > and > > > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways > of > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon > > would > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to > > fight, > > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we > > consider > > > > reality which is generally very personal though there are > enough > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and > touch > > and > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always > do. > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and > beliefs > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical > > considerations > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason > > things > > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to > > appeal > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a > > question of > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is > true > > and > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on > > my > > > > personal belief ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very > > small > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue > > is - > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is > > missing? > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events > > like > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of > pursuits? > > Even > > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole > time "business". > > > > Almost > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a > > big > > > > mess > > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about > the > > wrong > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the > > correct > > > > Ones > > > > > !!! > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who > > are > > > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is > > believed > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on > > them. > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, > > an > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the > divine > > idol > > > > to > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple > in > > > > andhra > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the > grahan > > > > time > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) > > and > > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the > > grahan > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep > doing > > > > what > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly > > tell > > > > you > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and > so > > is > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses > > has > > > > > > lesser > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" > > people - > > > > who > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > > > > performing > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their > own > > > > > > pursuits > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the > > lot > > > > are > > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event > driven > > > > > > rituals, in > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , angel > <angelgoel@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear Prafulla ji, There is no 'exception' involved! Or religion in my personal world- view, short or long! A religion without LOVE shall cease to exist, it is but a matter of time! We can just watch the hands on the clock and do not move it or control it!! RR , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > I agree with your philosophy / expressions, except to the > justifications / perspective for the religious practioners (primarily > around Hinuism) - who are exploiting people, their sentiments, > religious faith and - still wanting to be the good faces of respective > societies. Should these practiced be tolerated even for the sake of > survival - or just because of their tall claims of knooooowing the God? > > regards / Prafulla > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla -- > > > > Please remember this -- > > > > They are learning, just as we are ... > > We that are here are all in the same boat and just because we may > > feel often that we are on different sides and edges of the same boat - > > - > > > > MAKES it even more important that we think of survival and sharing > > and the boat in these karmic RAPIDS and not move in a group to the > > side that is portside or starboard, being oceanbound and what not! > > > > Together we shall fall and sink/drown or float -- together > > <emphasis>!! > > > > I do not see the "DWELLERS" on the ISLAND OF PRAGMATIC REALITY, our > > *tax*-collectors -- waking up the Rescue team or throwing any lines > > that would pull us out of the OCEAN of UNCERTAINTY! > > > > Are you with US? > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between relgion and > > its > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) itself, I > > was > > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each belief > > > system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization of some > > of > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or white in it. > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common person like > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) - who, for > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's very "faith". and in > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses. For > > Example > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in India has > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where people > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on deaths in > > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well by > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion never > > becomes > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do cause some > > of > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in India - > > perhaps, > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism, Budhism, > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its compliance > > can > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also do not > > > exist in numbers and those people who can understand the rituals in > > > true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga. This > > often > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most cases > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe > > the "short > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are > > collected, > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, people on day > > to > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the benefits > > of "few" > > > and so on. > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear" created > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief > > systems, > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey > > magic > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background > > (religious, > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a > > > > general statement, so no reader should take it personally). > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of belief > > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable and > > > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways of > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon > > would > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to > > fight, > > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we > > consider > > > > reality which is generally very personal though there are enough > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and touch > > and > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always do. > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and beliefs > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical > > considerations > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason > > things > > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to > > appeal > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a > > question of > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is true > > and > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on > > my > > > > personal belief ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very > > small > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue > > is - > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is > > missing? > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events > > like > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of pursuits? > > Even > > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole time "business". > > > > Almost > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a > > big > > > > mess > > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about the > > wrong > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the > > correct > > > > Ones > > > > > !!! > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who > > are > > > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is > > believed > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on > > them. > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, > > an > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the divine > > idol > > > > to > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple in > > > > andhra > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the grahan > > > > time > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) > > and > > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the > > grahan > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep doing > > > > what > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly > > tell > > > > you > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and so > > is > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses > > has > > > > > > lesser > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" > > people - > > > > who > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > > > > performing > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their own > > > > > > pursuits > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the > > lot > > > > are > > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event driven > > > > > > rituals, in > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , angel <angelgoel@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 dear friend there was an old story that once an athiest was caught by a monster and unknowingly he prayed to god for rescue. god appears and asks the athiest saying "you never believed god, why you remembered me now". to this the athiest replies "come on god, a minute ago i did not believe in monsters either". many highly educated scientists and doctors too turn to religion only after they experience these things themselves. hundreds of doctors doing selfless service at puttaparti is a testimony of religion and belief for a doctor. last year when several doctors from best hospitals declared a child in coma for six months to die and i brought her within 15 minutes through diving healing, there is no cry for medicine, science or reasoning. i have served many doctors and professors of IITs and most of them believed religion and god only when things happen to them beyond their reasoning. so the saying is correct that faith begins when reason falters but in a positive spirit. with best wishes pandit arjun , PRADEEP SAHAI <sahaip123 wrote: > > Dear Members, > FAITH BEGINS WHEN REASON FALTERS. > Having said that for years I have been rebelling against the picture of God painted before us since childhood.I saw my mother's faithin santoshi ma's pooja. The story evoked more fear than solace. If you do this then... syndrome. > Contrary to this the belief of God as Mata-Pita was and the all forgiving nature of God as nurturer could never somehoe take precedence. > Arm chair critisizing may be an intoxicating past time .It cannot be an antidote. We need to teach our children the difference between religion and practises. > Regards > Vatsala > 9811072159 > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Dear Rishi, > > Religion was never up for commerce, but it was always too passive, > given its TAO nature, like a ball, a kanduk, up for the grabs by this > or that other faction! > > Sometimes kind souls tossed it up, at other times, tyrants did! Like > a basketball or cricket ball -- the object (religion) will give > pleasure or pain -- to individuals and groups! > > What are we in the STADIUM for is perhaps humanity should start > focusing on! > > About time!! > > RR > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Perhaps, commercial religion was one of the oldest profession in > > human history.It plays on human insecurities and desires, amassing > > unending profits. Cash flow never in red. > > Only, like some other vocations,it is not listed , otherwise, it > > would lead the stock market........... > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction (between relgion and > > its > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief systems) itself, I > > was > > > commenting about. They are "pure and acceptable" for each belief > > > system / religion. I am not talking about rationalization of > some > > of > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be black or white in > it. > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization (for common person > like > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each belief system) - who, > for > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's very "faith". and > in > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life of masses. For > > Example > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins (cows etc) in India > has > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural India - where people > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs (including on deaths > in > > > the family). These have led to massive exploitation as well by > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. Religion never > > becomes > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its practioners do cause > some > > of > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not surfaced in India - > > perhaps, > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like Jainism, Budhism, > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not corrupted, its > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is exploited, its > compliance > > can > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality brahmans also do not > > > exist in numbers and those people who can understand the rituals > in > > > true sense also have their own limitations in current yuga. This > > often > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the rituals, in most cases > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, and observe > > the "short > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. Charities are > > collected, > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge lands, people on > day > > to > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life for the benefits > > of "few" > > > and so on. > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but somehow "fear" > created > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for exploitation. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between different belief > > systems, > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals (karmakanda as you > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further extend into grey > > magic > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of different background > > (religious, > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have different tolerances or > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree of acceptance' > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one would really be > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's standards (this is a > > > > general statement, so no reader should take it personally). > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or perimeter of > belief > > > > which may be rather restricted but more readily demonstrable > and > > > > rather black and white. As we move into more 'accepting' ways > of > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow and the horizon > > would > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, individuals begin to > > fight, > > > > because we all must hold on to our core beliefs in what we > > consider > > > > reality which is generally very personal though there are > enough > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of groups. > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our sense of self and > touch > > and > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, but they always > do. > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters where reason and > beliefs > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and logical > > considerations > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those who like to reason > > things > > > > out, and also has enough of a mystical/mysterious flavour to > > appeal > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is more forgiving. > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not necessarily knowers or > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and it is not a > > question of > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps knows what is > true > > and > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say that purely based on > > my > > > > personal belief ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to do with "Jyotish". > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line between correct (very > > small > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large population). The issue > > is - > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its adherence..which is > > missing? > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" bhramans (even on events > > like > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question on "purity" of > pursuits? > > Even > > > > > the people who are "known" in different cities in India as > > > > > authorities, are just making this their whole > time "business". > > > > Almost > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers (???) have made a > > big > > > > mess > > > > > of faith. No state or city is exception !!!! > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall not bother about > the > > wrong > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), that I know the > > correct > > > > Ones > > > > > !!! > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people or some temples who > > are > > > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy period that it is > > believed > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan shadow fall on > > them. > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the grahan period, nay, > > an > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an umbrella for the > divine > > idol > > > > to > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, kalahasti temple > in > > > > andhra > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only open during the > grahan > > > > time > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT (somewhat strage) > > and > > > > > > collecting donations for these special poojas during the > > grahan > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, we shall keep > doing > > > > what > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about how others are > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they will explicitly > > tell > > > > you > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done any given day; and > so > > is > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / charities on Eclipses > > has > > > > > > lesser > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there are very "few" > > people - > > > > who > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct and "puristic" methods of > > > > performing > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of their time in their > own > > > > > > pursuits > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own karma"). Most in the > > lot > > > > are > > > > > > > interested in making money ("Dukandari") from event > driven > > > > > > rituals, in > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of these occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , angel > <angelgoel@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item for daan > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday morning), do not > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same night ends itself, > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be only 1 hour 33 > > > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date since it ends > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date starts, so will end > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the lunar eclipse is > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night of September 6th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN EPHEMERIS FOR 2006 > > > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday September 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at same night on 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in India, of course no > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view this.,except > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has advised all devout > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as added by me) are > > > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking name of their Isht > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take water or food in > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not touch anything, have > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course go to sleep > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean (Sea), near > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in temple, in places > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated and gained > > > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana (Eclipse), has > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally would accrue to a > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other places.The exact > > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also has been given in > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now cannot remember > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take advantage of > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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