Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear All, A huge and rare Astha-Lakshmi Dakshinavarti Shankha, 9 inches in length and weighing 876 gms is on display on my site. As on date this is the only site which gives you the choice of 8 Valampuri Shankhas!! See http://www.astrojyoti.com/dakshinavartishankha.htm With best wishes Pandit S.P.Tata H-5/3, 3rd Floor Malviya Nagar New Delhi - 110017 Phone: 91-11-26680664 (Exclusive for incoming), 91-11-26673281, Mobile: 9911119235. Email to: sptata Website: www.astrojyoti.com You can contact me online 10 Am to 8 Pm IST with: Messengers - the user ID is s_p_tata. MSN Messenger - the user ID is s_p_tata (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear Pt Tata, Namaste!!! I was looking at both your "astha Lakshmi" shanks, and they both had a long scar running the length, also the ridges look very pronounced. Are you sure about these? The pic on your sample certificate looks real, but the astha Lakshmis are strange. Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "Pt Siva Prasad Tata" <sptata wrote: > > Dear All, > A huge and rare Astha-Lakshmi Dakshinavarti Shankha, 9 inches in length and > weighing 876 gms is on display on my site. As on date this is the only site > which gives you the choice of 8 Valampuri Shankhas!! See > http://www.astrojyoti.com/dakshinavartishankha.htm > > With best wishes > Pandit S.P.Tata > H-5/3, 3rd Floor > Malviya Nagar > New Delhi - 110017 > Phone: 91-11-26680664 (Exclusive for incoming), 91-11-26673281, Mobile: > 9911119235. > Email to: sptata > Website: www.astrojyoti.com > You can contact me online 10 Am to 8 Pm IST with: > Messengers - the user ID is s_p_tata. > MSN Messenger - the user ID is s_p_tata > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Dear Vijay Kumar, There is a famous saying "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread" – you have just proved it with your rash, thoughtless and insinuating comments about my products- without even seeing the real products. Experienced Valampuri suppliers like John Ravi and Chandrasekhar Phadke even take x-rays before declaring a Valampuri a fake or real. In March 2006 after seeing these Shankha pictures on my site you emailed me and wanted to buy 3 of these Valampuries. As I get a lot of fake enquires, I asked you to give your phone and address and then you simply vanished. Today you claim the same Shankhas are fakes! I have all your emails and can put them here if necessary. You claim you are a conchologist but you don't even know the spelling of conchologist and spell it as "CONCHOLOGISH'. Your level of education is equally obvious from the horrendous English you write – full of terrible spelling & grammar mistakes. For your information the Valampuri Shankhas displayed on my site will be sold with an x-ray proof, a guarantee certificate by me and an authentication certificate by Mr. Chandrasekhar Phadke – one of the best known conchologists of India, who is a PHD in Marine Biology. Another Valampuri dealer tried to acquire these rare Valampuri Shankhas and failed. In fact the terrible English language/style you write is exactly that of this supplier with a demonic name! I will not be surprised if you are an associate or a duplicate ID of one of them. The web forums are full of fake duplicate IDs – some to praise their own products and the others to slander their competitors! The utter nonsense you have posted in a public forum, without an iota of proof, is insulting and damaging - both to me personally, to my website and to my business. Unless you tender an apology within 48 hours of this letter being posted in the forum, I reserve the right to sue you for damages. Tracking you is not a problem as each and every email carries its IP address and computer location origin. I can sue you any where in the world through my clients and business associates. Pandit S.P.Tata On 9/8/06, Vijay kumar <vijay_2kumar (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > My friends > > > All the polish shankh on Mr tata web page is a fake valampuri shankh. > I'm a concholgish, Im doing a Research on real valampuri shankh. If anyone > wants to buy contact Mr Richard. > > > Jai Maga laxmi jai > > Your friend Vijay > > *Pt Siva Prasad Tata <sptata >* wrote: > > Dear All, > A huge and rare Astha-Lakshmi Dakshinavarti Shankha, 9 inches in length > and weighing 876 gms is on display on my site. As on date this is the only > site which gives you the choice of 8 Valampuri Shankhas!! See > http://www.astrojyoti.com/dakshinavartishankha.htm > > With best wishes > Pandit S.P.Tata > H-5/3, 3rd Floor > Malviya Nagar > New Delhi - 110017 > Phone: 91-11-26680664 (Exclusive for incoming), 91-11-26673281, Mobile: > 9911119235. > Email to: sptata > Website: www.astrojyoti.com > You can contact me online 10 Am to 8 Pm IST with: > Messengers - the user ID is s_p_tata. > MSN Messenger - the user ID is s_p_tata (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > > > ------------------------------ > Try the all-new Mail<http://us.rd./mail/uk/taglines/default/nowyoucan/wall_st_2/*http://us.rd./evt=40565/*http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html>. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal > > > -- With best wishes Pandit S.P.Tata H-5/3, 3rd Floor Malviya Nagar New Delhi - 110017 Phone: 91-11-26680664 (Exclusive for incoming), 91-11-26673281, Mobile: 9911119235. Email to: sptata Website: www.astrojyoti.com You can contact me online 10 Am to 8 Pm IST with: Messengers - the user ID is s_p_tata. MSN Messenger - the user ID is s_p_tata (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Dear Richardji & all, As the rash, thoughtless and insinuating comments by Vijay Kumar about my polished Valampuries - without even seeing the real products, has raised a storm in a tea cup about the authenticity and pricing of these coveted Lakshmi Shankhas, I thought I should write a few details. 1. Real & Fake: Only an expert can tell this. Even experts get fooled once in a while. So highly qualified people like Chandrasekhar Phadke have resorted to proper scientific testing with x-rays. I learned it from him and using x-rays as a basic test before buying. An additional testing I have started is to test the Shankha material itself by laboratory chemical testing. This tells whether it is conch material or some kind of ceramic fake. A highly reliable age old test is to hold the Shankha against light – if it is a real Shankha, the light glows through. Add to this a visual examination for tampering marks etc is a must. 2. Varieties of Shankhas: These Shankhas, whether Vamavarti or Dakshinavarti, come in many sizes and shapes with several different characteristics. The following link, given by Mr. Phadke, shows the pictures of several species of Shankhas. http://www.gastropods.com/Taxon_pages/TN_Family_TURBINELLIDAE_TURBINELLINAE..html It is possible to find as many types of Dakshinavarti Shankhas as the regular Vamavarti varieties, because it is a freak of nature which makes it open the other way. As you can see on the link page, there are long ones, short ones, fat ones, ones with pronounced ridges, holes at the bottom, scars running along etc. Just because some people have not seen certain varieties dose not make them fakes. For example some may question the authenticity of the Polished Shankhas on my web page because the shape and characteristics are a bit unusual. On this page just bellow my Valampuri pictures, I have given a link to show how close they are to the Shankhas found in the Mohenjo-daro & Harappa excavations. See my Shankha pictures here > http://www.astrojyoti.com/dakshinavartipolished.htm See the excavation pictures here > http://www.astrojyoti.com/shankhaworshipinharappa.htm Maximum Valampuri Shankhas are found in the Rameshwaram-Sri Lanka coast which is the real citadel of the Valampuri. They are the typical "with skin" variety we know – the "Jati" Type and the "Gauri" type. The Valampuries found in the Bengal coast, Dwaraka coast, and the Konkan coast etc., differ in size shape and characteristics. Just because one has never seen a Dwaraka variety Valampuri doesn't give one the right to call the most coveted Dwaraka Valampuri a fake. Let put it another way. The people who are questioning my beautiful polished Valampuries are like the ones who have not seen a Zebra and claiming that it is a donkey painted with black stripes!! 3. Polished & unpolished: As the Rameshwaram-Sri Lanka belt has maximum Valampuries; it is the most heavily poached area. Hence a lot of them are caught when they are young and hence small in size. As the crust is thin, not many dare to get them buff polished for the fear of damaging. Hence the majority of the Valampuries we get are the with skin types. It is the bigger ones, with thicker crust, which are polished and look very attractive. If a modern lady goes to a beauty parlor and gets her facial hair removed and eyebrows trimmed, please don't call her a eunuch!! 4. Pricing: These Shankhas are found by the fishermen who dive into the sea to get them. They sell them to the Shankha wholesalers and dealers. Then they change hands. If you are lucky to get hold of a fisherman who has a Lakshmi Shankha, you'll get a cheap price. But now even the fishermen know at what price the Valampuries are selling. The quotations I am getting currently are: a)Small with skin Valampuries bellow 100gms – Rs. 8000 to 10000 per gram. The smaller ones cost more per gram. b)Medium with skin – above 150 grams – Rs. 4000 to 5000 per gram. c)Larger with skin – 200 to 400 grams – Rs. 2500 to 3000 per gram. d)Polished ones – 150 grams and above - Rs. 1500 to 2000 per gram. e)Polished Jewel Quality – 150 grams and above – Rs. 2000 to 2500 per gram. The testing costs me Rs.2000 per Shankha plus I have to spend an average of four hours per Shankha testing. Plus I issue a guarantee certificate - plus another authentication certificate by the best known Indian conchologist Dr.. Chandrasekhar Phadke – a PhD in Marine Biology. So I add a bit more for all this trouble. With regards Pandit S.P.Tata On 9/8/06, Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: > > Dear Pt Tata, > > Namaste!!! I was looking at both your "astha Lakshmi" shanks, and they > both had a long scar running the length, also the ridges look very > pronounced. Are you sure about these? > > The pic on your sample certificate looks real, but the astha Lakshmis > are strange. > > Best rgds, > Richard > > sacred-objects <sacred-objects%40>, > "Pt Siva Prasad Tata" > > <sptata wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > A huge and rare Astha-Lakshmi Dakshinavarti Shankha, 9 inches in > length and > > weighing 876 gms is on display on my site. As on date this is the > only site > > which gives you the choice of 8 Valampuri Shankhas!! See > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/dakshinavartishankha.htm > > > > With best wishes > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > H-5/3, 3rd Floor > > Malviya Nagar > > New Delhi - 110017 > > Phone: 91-11-26680664 (Exclusive for incoming), 91-11-26673281, Mobile: > > 9911119235. > > Email to: sptata > > > Website: www.astrojyoti.com > > You can contact me online 10 Am to 8 Pm IST with: > > Messengers - the user ID is s_p_tata. > > MSN Messenger - the user ID is s_p_tata > > > > > -- With best wishes Pandit S.P.Tata H-5/3, 3rd Floor Malviya Nagar New Delhi - 110017 Phone: 91-11-26680664 (Exclusive for incoming), 91-11-26673281, Mobile: 9911119235. Email to: sptata Website: www.astrojyoti.com You can contact me online 10 Am to 8 Pm IST with: Messengers - the user ID is s_p_tata. MSN Messenger - the user ID is s_p_tata (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Ravan, Noted that you write pucca angreji and all the desi mistakes are by your assistants. But a small doubt about your British English. You wrote, "If you think you are good in English…". I thought the British write GOOD AT and not GOOD IN. Correct me if I am wrong. As per being your being nice etc. – In the near past, you sent me several Shankha pictures and told me PHD thesis type of stuff about Valampuri in technical terms. After agreeing about the prices, when I had ready customers, I offered to buy several pieces from you, willing to pay nearly Rs.2 million cash down. You never had a Single one with you and you could not buy from Mr. Phadke and you told me a series of stories and could not supply a single Valampuri. You offered them to me, I came to you to buy and you muffed it. So if I tie up with Mr.Chandrasekhar Phadke, I don't think I am being untrustworthy as you put it. Regards Pandit S.P.Tata On 9/9/06, spskathiravan ravan <bb_22_72 > wrote: > > Greetings Mr tata, > > Kindly the read the following in blue. > > Another Valampuri dealer tried to acquire these rare Valampuri Shankhas > and failed. > > Firstly the conch's are not with you. buy them before you talk about them > > In fact the terrible English language/style you write is exactly that of > this supplier with a demonic name! > > I think you are sarcastically telling my name, One more thing my name is > kathiravan which means SUN GOD.For your info, I'm always travailing and my > assistant's will reply to my mails. I was only born in singapore but I lived > and studied in London, i can speak and write in British English style. If > you think you are good in English why not write to me in British English > style and i will reply to you in th same style. > > I will not be surprised if you are an associate or a duplicate ID of one > of them. The web forums are full of fake duplicate IDs – some to praise > their own products and the others to slander their competitors! > > I'm being very nice on this issue and i don't want to start a new > chapter. I thought i and you had good friendship but now i understand > that you can't be trusted. > > All the best on your business > > Thank you > With regards > Ravan > > > > *Pt Siva Prasad Tata <sptata >* wrote: > > Dear Vijay Kumar, > There is a famous saying "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread" – you > have just proved it with your rash, thoughtless and insinuating comments > about my products- without even seeing the real products. Experienced > Valampuri suppliers like John Ravi and Chandrasekhar Phadke even take x-rays > before declaring a Valampuri a fake or real. > In March 2006 after seeing these Shankha pictures on my site you emailed > me and wanted to buy 3 of these Valampuries. As I get a lot of fake > enquires, I asked you to give your phone and address and then you simply > vanished. Today you claim the same Shankhas are fakes! I have all your > emails and can put them here if necessary. You claim you are a conchologist > but you don't even know the spelling of conchologist and spell it as > "CONCHOLOGISH'. Your level of education is equally obvious from the > horrendous English you write – full of terrible spelling & grammar mistakes. > > For your information the Valampuri Shankhas displayed on my site will be > sold with an x-ray proof, a guarantee certificate by me and an > authentication certificate by Mr. Chandrasekhar Phadke – one of the best > known conchologists of India, who is a PHD in Marine Biology. > Another Valampuri dealer tried to acquire these rare Valampuri Shankhas > and failed. In fact the terrible English language/style you write is exactly > that of this supplier with a demonic name! I will not be surprised if you > are an associate or a duplicate ID of one of them. The web forums are full > of fake duplicate IDs – some to praise their own products and the others to > slander their competitors! > The utter nonsense you have posted in a public forum, without an iota of > proof, is insulting and damaging - both to me personally, to my website and > to my business. Unless you tender an apology within 48 hours of this letter > being posted in the forum, I reserve the right to sue you for damages. > Tracking you is not a problem as each and every email carries its IP address > and computer location origin. I can sue you any where in the world through > my clients and business associates. > Pandit S.P.Tata > On 9/8/06, Vijay kumar <vijay_2kumar (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > > > My friends > > > > > > All the polish shankh on Mr tata web page is a fake valampuri shankh. > > I'm a concholgish, Im doing a Research on real valampuri shankh. If > > anyone wants to buy contact Mr Richard. > > > > > > Jai Maga laxmi jai > > > > Your friend Vijay > > > > *Pt Siva Prasad Tata <sptata >* wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > A huge and rare Astha-Lakshmi Dakshinavarti Shankha, 9 inches in length > > and weighing 876 gms is on display on my site. As on date this is the only > > site which gives you the choice of 8 Valampuri Shankhas!! See > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/dakshinavartishankha.htm > > > > With best wishes > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > H-5/3, 3rd Floor > > Malviya Nagar > > New Delhi - 110017 > > Phone: 91-11-26680664 (Exclusive for incoming), 91-11-26673281, Mobile: > > 9911119235. > > Email to: sptata > > Website: www.astrojyoti.com > > You can contact me online 10 Am to 8 Pm IST with: > > Messengers - the user ID is s_p_tata. > > MSN Messenger - the user ID is s_p_tata (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Try the all-new Mail<http://us.rd./mail/uk/taglines/default/nowyoucan/wall_st_2/*http://us.rd./evt=40565/*http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html>. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal > > > > > > -- > > With best wishes > Pandit S.P.Tata > H-5/3, 3rd Floor > Malviya Nagar > New Delhi - 110017 > Phone: 91-11-26680664 (Exclusive for incoming), 91-11-26673281, Mobile: > 9911119235. > Email to: sptata > Website: www.astrojyoti.com > You can contact me online 10 Am to 8 Pm IST with: > Messengers - the user ID is s_p_tata. > MSN Messenger - the user ID is s_p_tata (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > > > ------------------------------ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail.<http://us.rd./evt=42297/*http://advision.webevents./mailbeta> > > > -- With best wishes Pandit S.P.Tata H-5/3, 3rd Floor Malviya Nagar New Delhi - 110017 Phone: 91-11-26680664 (Exclusive for incoming), 91-11-26673281, Mobile: 9911119235. Email to: sptata Website: www.astrojyoti.com You can contact me online 10 Am to 8 Pm IST with: Messengers - the user ID is s_p_tata. 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