Rahu Chandalo Vikhyatha Sarvatra Parameshwara ?

September 8, 2006

Dear Divine Lakshmi,

I can see why you think differently than what I think about rise of

Kundalini. The reason is perhaps as I look at the role of Chakra Bhedan

in a different context than what you do. Bhedan is done to things that

obstruct as far as I know. You may be using a different meaning and are

free to do your own interpretations.

Being an engineer I certainly know the difference between the Kinetic

and Potential energy.

Something being auspicious and its use in the quest of knowledge are two

different things. I would not like to begin the old topic about what is

Para and what Is Apara as it tends to rise passions, especially in

astrologers. But I would like you to refer to the Puranas and Upanishads

to find out whether all the things held to be auspicious by Hindus are

necessarily Para Vidya and the definition of Para Vidya.

Perhaps I am at fault in not knowing what is the intent behind you

saying Sat and Asat while referring to Kula and Akula etc.. When things

are referred to in pairs and multiple similes given, it is assumed that

the attributes appear in respective order. Yet it is difficult to

understand what you were referring to in connection with Kula and Akula

that you were trying to equate to Tamas, Asat etc. Perhaps you may like

to elaborate upon it.

Chandrashekhar.

b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

>

> The bulb is the chakra(s) that electricity (kundalini) activates.

> The "switch" is the reversal of direction, which will awaken the

> sleeping kundalini. Unless you awaken the kundalini and let it run,

> it will not energise the chakras. So, even though the chakras, the

> merudanda, the kundalini are all present within every one, not every

> one will experience Realization, unless they try to arouse

> kundalini. I am indeed surprised that i need to explain this basic

> concept in such detail, to a learned person like you, unless you are

> trying to test me:--))

>

> I am sure you know all about potential and kinetic energies and the

> differences.

>

> > Sadhakas do not try to awaken the Kundalini only because it is

> > auspicious, which it is, it is to know the svarupa of Para Brahman

> within.

>

> Lakshmi: Right Sir, is any knowledge/power termed "auspicious",

> unless it leads us to Ralization of Para Brahma within?Sahasraara is

> Shiva and "Shiva" means "auspicious"!

>

> When I used the term "beneficial" or "auspicious", I used it solely

> in spiritual parlance, and it only means "Realization"! Anyway, now

> you seem to agree with me that only an awakened Kundalini can give

> realization!!

>

> >

> > I am also not capable of understanding what you are driving at

> when you say:

> >

> > _ "if you feel that there's no difference between asat and Sat,

> between

> > tamas and Jyoti, between mrita and Amrita.." _, on the one hand

> and then

> > say that Kula is Chit and Akula is Sat-Chit-Anand. Do you mean

> that the

> > Kundalini shakti can give out its beneficial effulgence without

> the

> > existence of Shiva in Sahasrara?

> >

>

> Lakshmi: Sir, have i implied any such thing? If the terms... Sat,

> Jyoti, Amrita, Sat-chit-ananda do not mean Shiva, what else do they

> mean?

>

> I really do not know whther the obtuseness/ambiguity is in my

> message or in your understanding.

>

> In my bulb example also I was saying that kundalini activation is

> important for those who want the Light and the extra vision. For

> those who do not want them, it does not matter whether kundalini is

> awake or sleeping. In spiritual/philosophical parlance, an awakened

> kundalini can make one realize that he/she is indeed Shiva and not

> shava!!

>

> I have not said any thing about "kula" or "akula" that's not given

> in texts. If you read the extract of Shri Chandra Hari's message,

> he's also saying the same thing.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> > What is Kula and what is Akula is well defined and redefining it

> may be

> > a new trend that I am not familiar with. I do not think the terms

> used

> > in Tantra shastra are open to redefinition.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar

> >

> > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > Chandrasekhar ji: Only that it is

> > > > auspicious, whether risen or not.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Lakshmi: Then if sleeping kundalini is equal to awakened

> kundalini,

> > > can you tell me why sadhakas go to great lengths to awaken it?

> You

> > > and I may not know it, but they know the tremendous difference it

> > > can make:--))

> > >

> > > > However let me put it this way, what you are referring to as

> the

> > > bulb,

> > > > happens to be the generator. That is why Kundalini is referred

> to

> > > be

> > > > like Vidullekha.

> > >

> > > Lakshmi: Sir, i don't think you've understood my point at all and

> > > request you to read the example again. I referred to kundalini as

> > > the power/electricity and not as the bulb!!

> > >

> > > > Kula and Akula tantra do not distinguish between where the

> energy

> > > lies,

> > > > to the best of my knowledge. And there is something called

> Yamala

> > > which

> > > > recognizes this fact. Actually as Shakti is Kula so is Shiva

> > > called

> > > > Akula per Kulachudamani Tantra.

> > >

> > > Lakshmi: "Kula" is base of mooladhara, where Kundalini lies, as

> tri-

> > > gunamayi, as moolaprakriti fraught with differentiations. "Akula"

> > > is sahasraara, where the gunas and differentiations cease. Kula

> > > is "chit" while akula is "sat-chit-ananda"!! Isn't there a

> > > difference?

> > >

> > > However, if you feel that there's no differece between asat and

> Sat,

> > > between tamas and Jyoti, between mrita and Amrita...then there's

> no

> > > necessity/relevance for this discussion, because the entire

> concept

> > > of Kundalini and its ascension hinges on this.

> > >

> > > I better stop here.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Chit shakti is certainly correct, but in the form of

> potential

> > > > > only. Let me take a mundane example to illustrate what I

> think:

> > > > >

> > > > > There's a bulb in the room and it's connected to the power

> > > source,

> > > > > but the switch is "off". The power to light the bulb, all the

> > > > > infrastructure is present, but does the bulb shine?

> > > > >

> > > > > Unless the switch is reversed to "on" position, power will

> not

> > > flow

> > > > > through the wires and make the bulb glow, aiding our vision.

> I

> > > was

> > > > > discussing about that crucial "switch" which will allow

> passage

> > > of

> > > > > power, so that the Light manifests.

> > > > >

> > > > > There's a huge difference between kundalini as "Kula" and

> > > > > as "Akula". But, as I do not intend entering into a full

> scale

> > > > > discussion on tantra, it's sufficient to say that the upward

> > > journey

> > > > > of Kundalini is an epic journey of all of us...from untruth

> to

> > > > > Truth, from darkness to Light, from death to Immortality...

> > > > >

> > > > > asatoma sadgamaya

> > > > > tamasoma jyotirgamaya

> > > > > mrityorma amritamgamaya

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Shanti! Shanti! ShantiH

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > Chiti shakti or Chitshakti is the other name of Kundalini,

> > > > > awakened or

> > > > > > dormant.

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does any tantra text describe unawakened kundalini,

> lying at

> > > the

> > > > > > > base of Mooladhara chakra, as beneficial?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for your affection. I always think highly of you

> and

> > > of

> > > > > > > Chandrasekhar ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%

> 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have great respect for Chandra Hari. I also have

> great

> > > > > respect

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > whatever is written by Maharishis.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As Chadrasekharji has stated, grahana times are very

> > > auspicious

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > doing japa, because that time is supposed to bestow

> great

> > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > siddhi. But as Sanjay Rath had brilliantly explained,

> the

> > > > > grahana

> > > > > > > > time (yoga) is good when Jupiter(prayer/pooja etc) is

> > > strong.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > > > people are not engaged in japa/tapa at that time,

> grahana

> > > is

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > good time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I also request you to read my research paper on Timing

> of

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > events and my paper on Kalapurusha transits. I am sure

> > > you'll

> > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > reading them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A corrected/upward Rahu(who is represented in

> > > > > tantra/kundalini) is

> > > > > > > > always good, because at that time he's like the Sun,

> > > > > representing

> > > > > > > > the head and is also direct like that Sun...the Shiva.

> If

> > > you

> > > > > > > refer

> > > > > > > > to my previous email, you'll notice that I said the

> same

> > > thing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%

> 40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rahu/Demon/Chandala etc has a strong Philosophical

> > > > > footing.Have

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > ever thought how the sages were able to discover

> > > mathematical

> > > > > > > > points

> > > > > > > > > called nodes?If you didn't know kindly read the

> > > followoing

> > > > > > > section

> > > > > > > > > of shri Chandrahari's article(uploaded long back into

> > >

> > > > > > > > > groups).Else ignore.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Influence of eclipses guided the discovery of the

> Nodes

> > > of

> > > > > Moon -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the serpent of time - the north node or Rahu became

> the

> > > > > symbol

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > birth and Sikhi became the symbol of

> > > death/liberation/mukti

> > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > the luni-solar phenomena symbolized man's spiritual

> > > pursuits.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > MATRAKABHEDA Tantra explains the significance of

> RAhu and

> > > > > Sikhi

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the following dialogue between Siva and Sakti who are

> > > > > > > > > representations of Sun and Moon.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ''Rahu Chandalo Vikhyatha Sarvatra

> > > Parameshwara.Punyakaala

> > > > > > > Katham

> > > > > > > > > Deva TasyaSparsha Divakara.Nishakarey Tadha Nadha

> IthiMe

> > > > > > > Samshayo

> > > > > > > > > Hridi''

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "Everywhere Rahu is famous as Chandala, O' Great

> Lord.

> > > How

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > conjunction with Sun leads to auspicious times? Same

> > > with the

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > as well; please elaborate this aspect first and the

> rest

> > > > > later"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "Hear, O' beautiful, eclipses are the most auspicious

> > > times -

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > three kinds, involving Moon,Sun and the Fire (Agni).

> In

> > > the

> > > > > eye

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the forehead of the Sakta is placed Agni while Moon

> and

> > > Sun

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > left and right eyes"

> > > > > > > > > "When Sambhu joins Devi the eclipses occur and

> SivaSakti

> > > > > union

> > > > > > > > takes

> > > > > > > > > place. The left nadi is kindled at the time of a

> lunar

> > > > > eclipse

> > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > the right one in solar and at the new year (agni),the

> > > > > sushumna

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > kindled.Rahu is Siva and the master of the three

> gunas

> > > and at

> > > > > > > > > eclipses the Siva joins Sakti"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rest you can conclude.Through HIS grace i can see

> what

> > > method

> > > > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > are employing to degrade and disrupt my

> responsibilities

> > > > > (through

> > > > > > > > > planetary combination tactics).I have no hatred

> towards

> > > > > them.Let

> > > > > > > > HIM

> > > > > > > > > show them light.But no such gimmicks can withstand

> the

> > > tests

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > time.MahaKala will sweep and burn falsehood.Students

> will

> > > > > > > > Realize.I

> > > > > > > > > am told just to concentrate on my goal and nothing

> else-

> > > HE

> > > > > > > > > will guard me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also if it is useful read the following -

> > > > > > > > > Human body is described in Tantra with astronomical

> > > > > terminology -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > for example, in Purnananda's SritattwaChintamani, we

> can

> > > > > find -

> > > > > > > On

> > > > > > > > > the periphery of Meru at the left and right are the

> two

> > > > > veins,

> > > > > > > > Sashi

> > > > > > > > > and Mihira (moon & sun). In the middle is placed

> Susumna

> > > > > > > possessed

> > > > > > > > > of the three qualities and of the form of moon, sun

> > > > > and 'agni' -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > extending from the middle of Kanda to the Head like a

> > > string

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > pomegranate flowers - holds inside the shining Vajra-

> Nadi

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > genitals to the head.Here the vertebral column is

> equated

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Meru,

> > > > > > > > > the axis of earth and the lunar and solar orbits have

> > > been

> > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > equivalent to the two Nadis Ida and Pingala which

> > > > > respectively

> > > > > > > > carry

> > > > > > > > > the prana and apana.Above the Meru is Dhruva and as

> > > > > equivalent

> > > > > > > > > Tantra defines Dvadasanta above the sphere of Moon

> and

> > > its

> > > > > > > > orifice -

> > > > > > > > > the sahasrara or brain.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi ji you are very learned.I am not worried

> about

> > > > > > > acceptance

> > > > > > > > > from majority.This is not my knowledge,but OUR

> > > Knowledge.The

> > > > > > > wise

> > > > > > > > > and wise ALONE can realize the wisdom of Mahamunis.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kindly share your views.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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September 8, 2006

Dear Divine Lakshmi,

I am aware of most of the texts in the matter. I have also read the

Yamala, Arnavas and Agama shastras. They may appear to show the

difference between Shiva and Shakti but in fact show that they are only

different manifestation of the same principle at different levels. I am

sure you must have read the following as you have read Yamalas.

suúme=ip inmRla ya c SwUle sa yamle izve,

yamlae´< SwUlêp< svRzaôSy baexnm!.

sukñme'pi nirmalä yä ca sthüle sä yämale çive|

yämaloktaà sthülarüpaà sarvaçästrasya bodhanam||

/_The shakti (shivaa) is pure in its unmanifest (minute) form and

appears in mithuna form (union with Lord Shiva) in its manifest form. In

this manifest form Yamala tells about all the shaastras._/

I did not want to say this on the list as people immediately want to

learn more about it. I do not think that subject is understood by only

reading texts but it can only be understood and experienced only after

getting a Deeksha from a realized Tantra Guru, doing all the 5 sandhyas

and other nitya karmas like Purashcharana, Puja, Paddhati, Sahasranama

etc., which is not possible for all persons to do.

I was certainly confused by your giving the Sat-Asat simile to

Kula-Akula and then calling Kundalini as Bulb in one mail and then,

perhaps, trying to say bulb meant the chakras.

Chandrashekhar.

b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave namah

>

> Namaste Chandrasekhar ji

>

> If you want to verify the autheticity of my statements, please refer

> to yogini hridayam, kaama kalaa vilaasam, rudrayamalam, soubhagya

> bhaskaram etc, where detailed expositions are found on the

> differences between the attributes of Purusha (akula)& Prakriti

> (kula), the prakasha and vimarsha aspects of prakriti and how

> chitshakti is a upama shakti.

>

> Please do not misunderstand that I think less of kula/vimarsha

> aspects of Mother...they are necessary for srishtikrama. As I must

> have said many times, Realization is the samhaara krama, so

> Akula/Prakasha aspects of Mother (as Shivaa) become much more

> important in any spiritual endeavour.

>

> Realization is going back to the Roots...of the inverted ashwatha

> tree!

>

> I thought of sending this mail, because you seemed to think that i

> was writing what's not given in the texts. If you want, i can also

> share the relevant shlokas/portions in a private mail.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> <%40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > The bulb is the chakra(s) that electricity (kundalini) activates.

> > The "switch" is the reversal of direction, which will awaken the

> > sleeping kundalini. Unless you awaken the kundalini and let it

> run,

> > it will not energise the chakras. So, even though the chakras, the

> > merudanda, the kundalini are all present within every one, not

> every

> > one will experience Realization, unless they try to arouse

> > kundalini. I am indeed surprised that i need to explain this

> basic

> > concept in such detail, to a learned person like you, unless you

> are

> > trying to test me:--))

> >

> > I am sure you know all about potential and kinetic energies and

> the

> > differences.

> >

> > > Sadhakas do not try to awaken the Kundalini only because it is

> > > auspicious, which it is, it is to know the svarupa of Para

> Brahman

> > within.

> >

> > Lakshmi: Right Sir, is any knowledge/power termed "auspicious",

> > unless it leads us to Ralization of Para Brahma within?Sahasraara

> is

> > Shiva and "Shiva" means "auspicious"!

> >

> > When I used the term "beneficial" or "auspicious", I used it

> solely

> > in spiritual parlance, and it only means "Realization"! Anyway,

> now

> > you seem to agree with me that only an awakened Kundalini can give

> > realization!!

> >

> > >

> > > I am also not capable of understanding what you are driving at

> > when you say:

> > >

> > > _ "if you feel that there's no difference between asat and Sat,

> > between

> > > tamas and Jyoti, between mrita and Amrita.." _, on the one hand

> > and then

> > > say that Kula is Chit and Akula is Sat-Chit-Anand. Do you mean

> > that the

> > > Kundalini shakti can give out its beneficial effulgence without

> > the

> > > existence of Shiva in Sahasrara?

> > >

> >

> > Lakshmi: Sir, have i implied any such thing? If the terms... Sat,

> > Jyoti, Amrita, Sat-chit-ananda do not mean Shiva, what else do

> they

> > mean?

> >

> > I really do not know whther the obtuseness/ambiguity is in my

> > message or in your understanding.

> >

> > In my bulb example also I was saying that kundalini activation is

> > important for those who want the Light and the extra vision. For

> > those who do not want them, it does not matter whether kundalini

> is

> > awake or sleeping. In spiritual/philosophical parlance, an

> awakened

> > kundalini can make one realize that he/she is indeed Shiva and not

> > shava!!

> >

> > I have not said any thing about "kula" or "akula" that's not given

> > in texts. If you read the extract of Shri Chandra Hari's message,

> > he's also saying the same thing.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > > What is Kula and what is Akula is well defined and redefining it

> > may be

> > > a new trend that I am not familiar with. I do not think the

> terms

> > used

> > > in Tantra shastra are open to redefinition.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Chandrasekhar ji: Only that it is

> > > > > auspicious, whether risen or not.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi: Then if sleeping kundalini is equal to awakened

> > kundalini,

> > > > can you tell me why sadhakas go to great lengths to awaken it?

> > You

> > > > and I may not know it, but they know the tremendous difference

> it

> > > > can make:--))

> > > >

> > > > > However let me put it this way, what you are referring to as

> > the

> > > > bulb,

> > > > > happens to be the generator. That is why Kundalini is

> referred

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > like Vidullekha.

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi: Sir, i don't think you've understood my point at all

> and

> > > > request you to read the example again. I referred to kundalini

> as

> > > > the power/electricity and not as the bulb!!

> > > >

> > > > > Kula and Akula tantra do not distinguish between where the

> > energy

> > > > lies,

> > > > > to the best of my knowledge. And there is something called

> > Yamala

> > > > which

> > > > > recognizes this fact. Actually as Shakti is Kula so is Shiva

> > > > called

> > > > > Akula per Kulachudamani Tantra.

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi: "Kula" is base of mooladhara, where Kundalini lies,

> as

> > tri-

> > > > gunamayi, as moolaprakriti fraught with

> differentiations. "Akula"

> > > > is sahasraara, where the gunas and differentiations cease. Kula

> > > > is "chit" while akula is "sat-chit-ananda"!! Isn't there a

> > > > difference?

> > > >

> > > > However, if you feel that there's no differece between asat

> and

> > Sat,

> > > > between tamas and Jyoti, between mrita and Amrita...then

> there's

> > no

> > > > necessity/relevance for this discussion, because the entire

> > concept

> > > > of Kundalini and its ascension hinges on this.

> > > >

> > > > I better stop here.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chit shakti is certainly correct, but in the form of

> > potential

> > > > > > only. Let me take a mundane example to illustrate what I

> > think:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There's a bulb in the room and it's connected to the power

> > > > source,

> > > > > > but the switch is "off". The power to light the bulb, all

> the

> > > > > > infrastructure is present, but does the bulb shine?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unless the switch is reversed to "on" position, power will

> > not

> > > > flow

> > > > > > through the wires and make the bulb glow, aiding our

> vision.

> > I

> > > > was

> > > > > > discussing about that crucial "switch" which will allow

> > passage

> > > > of

> > > > > > power, so that the Light manifests.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There's a huge difference between kundalini as "Kula" and

> > > > > > as "Akula". But, as I do not intend entering into a full

> > scale

> > > > > > discussion on tantra, it's sufficient to say that the

> upward

> > > > journey

> > > > > > of Kundalini is an epic journey of all of us...from

> untruth

> > to

> > > > > > Truth, from darkness to Light, from death to Immortality...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > asatoma sadgamaya

> > > > > > tamasoma jyotirgamaya

> > > > > > mrityorma amritamgamaya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Shanti! Shanti! ShantiH

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > Chiti shakti or Chitshakti is the other name of

> Kundalini,

> > > > > > awakened or

> > > > > > > dormant.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Does any tantra text describe unawakened kundalini,

> > lying at

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > base of Mooladhara chakra, as beneficial?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for your affection. I always think highly of

> you

> > and

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Chandrasekhar ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have great respect for Chandra Hari. I also have

> > great

> > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > whatever is written by Maharishis.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As Chadrasekharji has stated, grahana times are very

> > > > auspicious

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > doing japa, because that time is supposed to bestow

> > great

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > siddhi. But as Sanjay Rath had brilliantly

> explained,

> > the

> > > > > > grahana

> > > > > > > > > time (yoga) is good when Jupiter(prayer/pooja etc) is

> > > > strong.

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > people are not engaged in japa/tapa at that time,

> > grahana

> > > > is

> > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > good time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I also request you to read my research paper on

> Timing

> > of

> > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > events and my paper on Kalapurusha transits. I am

> sure

> > > > you'll

> > > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > > reading them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A corrected/upward Rahu(who is represented in

> > > > > > tantra/kundalini) is

> > > > > > > > > always good, because at that time he's like the Sun,

> > > > > > representing

> > > > > > > > > the head and is also direct like that Sun...the

> Shiva.

> > If

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > refer

> > > > > > > > > to my previous email, you'll notice that I said the

> > same

> > > > thing.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu/Demon/Chandala etc has a strong Philosophical

> > > > > > footing.Have

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > ever thought how the sages were able to discover

> > > > mathematical

> > > > > > > > > points

> > > > > > > > > > called nodes?If you didn't know kindly read the

> > > > followoing

> > > > > > > > section

> > > > > > > > > > of shri Chandrahari's article(uploaded long back

> into

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > groups).Else ignore.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Influence of eclipses guided the discovery of the

> > Nodes

> > > > of

> > > > > > Moon -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the serpent of time - the north node or Rahu

> became

> > the

> > > > > > symbol

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > birth and Sikhi became the symbol of

> > > > death/liberation/mukti

> > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > the luni-solar phenomena symbolized man's spiritual

> > > > pursuits.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > MATRAKABHEDA Tantra explains the significance of

> > RAhu and

> > > > > > Sikhi

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the following dialogue between Siva and Sakti who

> are

> > > > > > > > > > representations of Sun and Moon.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ''Rahu Chandalo Vikhyatha Sarvatra

> > > > Parameshwara.Punyakaala

> > > > > > > > Katham

> > > > > > > > > > Deva TasyaSparsha Divakara.Nishakarey Tadha Nadha

> > IthiMe

> > > > > > > > Samshayo

> > > > > > > > > > Hridi''

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "Everywhere Rahu is famous as Chandala, O' Great

> > Lord.

> > > > How

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > conjunction with Sun leads to auspicious times?

> Same

> > > > with the

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > as well; please elaborate this aspect first and

> the

> > rest

> > > > > > later"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "Hear, O' beautiful, eclipses are the most

> auspicious

> > > > times -

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > three kinds, involving Moon,Sun and the Fire

> (Agni).

> > In

> > > > the

> > > > > > eye

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the forehead of the Sakta is placed Agni while

> Moon

> > and

> > > > Sun

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > left and right eyes"

> > > > > > > > > > "When Sambhu joins Devi the eclipses occur and

> > SivaSakti

> > > > > > union

> > > > > > > > > takes

> > > > > > > > > > place. The left nadi is kindled at the time of a

> > lunar

> > > > > > eclipse

> > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > the right one in solar and at the new year

> (agni),the

> > > > > > sushumna

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > kindled.Rahu is Siva and the master of the three

> > gunas

> > > > and at

> > > > > > > > > > eclipses the Siva joins Sakti"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rest you can conclude.Through HIS grace i can see

> > what

> > > > method

> > > > > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > > are employing to degrade and disrupt my

> > responsibilities

> > > > > > (through

> > > > > > > > > > planetary combination tactics).I have no hatred

> > towards

> > > > > > them.Let

> > > > > > > > > HIM

> > > > > > > > > > show them light.But no such gimmicks can withstand

> > the

> > > > tests

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > time.MahaKala will sweep and burn

> falsehood.Students

> > will

> > > > > > > > > Realize.I

> > > > > > > > > > am told just to concentrate on my goal and nothing

> > else-

> > > > HE

> > > > > > > > > > will guard me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also if it is useful read the following -

> > > > > > > > > > Human body is described in Tantra with astronomical

> > > > > > terminology -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > for example, in Purnananda's SritattwaChintamani,

> we

> > can

> > > > > > find -

> > > > > > > > On

> > > > > > > > > > the periphery of Meru at the left and right are

> the

> > two

> > > > > > veins,

> > > > > > > > > Sashi

> > > > > > > > > > and Mihira (moon & sun). In the middle is placed

> > Susumna

> > > > > > > > possessed

> > > > > > > > > > of the three qualities and of the form of moon, sun

> > > > > > and 'agni' -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > extending from the middle of Kanda to the Head

> like a

> > > > string

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > pomegranate flowers - holds inside the shining

> Vajra-

> > Nadi

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > genitals to the head.Here the vertebral column is

> > equated

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Meru,

> > > > > > > > > > the axis of earth and the lunar and solar orbits

> have

> > > > been

> > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > > equivalent to the two Nadis Ida and Pingala which

> > > > > > respectively

> > > > > > > > > carry

> > > > > > > > > > the prana and apana.Above the Meru is Dhruva and as

> > > > > > equivalent

> > > > > > > > > > Tantra defines Dvadasanta above the sphere of Moon

> > and

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > > orifice -

> > > > > > > > > > the sahasrara or brain.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi ji you are very learned.I am not worried

> > about

> > > > > > > > acceptance

> > > > > > > > > > from majority.This is not my knowledge,but OUR

> > > > Knowledge.The

> > > > > > > > wise

> > > > > > > > > > and wise ALONE can realize the wisdom of Mahamunis.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kindly share your views.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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September 9, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

Precisely!! Does the purification occur at Sahasraara or Mooladhara?

where does the union of Shiva and Parvati take place...at Sahasraara

or Mooladhara?

Isn't Realization shedding grossness and becoming pure? I have been

saying so all through this thread. You were the one who maintained

that there's no difference between the two ends of the spectrum. I

am glad that you "reversed" your stand!!

Thanks for quoting a shloka that supports my point of view:--))

Sir, I never said bulb meant kundalini. You perceived it to be so!!

I always said and meant that Kundalini is the power.

I also never said that I am a realized person. I always said that I

am a learner.

Regards,

Lakshmi

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Divine Lakshmi,

>

> I am aware of most of the texts in the matter. I have also read

the

> Yamala, Arnavas and Agama shastras. They may appear to show the

> difference between Shiva and Shakti but in fact show that they are

only

> different manifestation of the same principle at different levels.

I am

> sure you must have read the following as you have read Yamalas.

>

> suúme=ip inmRla ya c SwUle sa yamle izve,

>

> yamlae´< SwUlêp< svRzaôSy baexnm!.

>

> sukñme'pi nirmalä yä ca sthüle sä yämale çive|

>

> yämaloktaà sthülarüpaà sarvaçästrasya bodhanam||

>

> /_The shakti (shivaa) is pure in its unmanifest (minute) form and

> appears in mithuna form (union with Lord Shiva) in its manifest

form. In

> this manifest form Yamala tells about all the shaastras._/

>

> I did not want to say this on the list as people immediately want

to

> learn more about it. I do not think that subject is understood by

only

> reading texts but it can only be understood and experienced only

after

> getting a Deeksha from a realized Tantra Guru, doing all the 5

sandhyas

> and other nitya karmas like Purashcharana, Puja, Paddhati,

Sahasranama

> etc., which is not possible for all persons to do.

>

> I was certainly confused by your giving the Sat-Asat simile to

> Kula-Akula and then calling Kundalini as Bulb in one mail and

then,

> perhaps, trying to say bulb meant the chakras.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji

> >

> > If you want to verify the autheticity of my statements, please

refer

> > to yogini hridayam, kaama kalaa vilaasam, rudrayamalam, soubhagya

> > bhaskaram etc, where detailed expositions are found on the

> > differences between the attributes of Purusha (akula)& Prakriti

> > (kula), the prakasha and vimarsha aspects of prakriti and how

> > chitshakti is a upama shakti.

> >

> > Please do not misunderstand that I think less of kula/vimarsha

> > aspects of Mother...they are necessary for srishtikrama. As I

must

> > have said many times, Realization is the samhaara krama, so

> > Akula/Prakasha aspects of Mother (as Shivaa) become much more

> > important in any spiritual endeavour.

> >

> > Realization is going back to the Roots...of the inverted ashwatha

> > tree!

> >

> > I thought of sending this mail, because you seemed to think that

i

> > was writing what's not given in the texts. If you want, i can

also

> > share the relevant shlokas/portions in a private mail.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > <%40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > The bulb is the chakra(s) that electricity (kundalini)

activates.

> > > The "switch" is the reversal of direction, which will awaken

the

> > > sleeping kundalini. Unless you awaken the kundalini and let it

> > run,

> > > it will not energise the chakras. So, even though the chakras,

the

> > > merudanda, the kundalini are all present within every one, not

> > every

> > > one will experience Realization, unless they try to arouse

> > > kundalini. I am indeed surprised that i need to explain this

> > basic

> > > concept in such detail, to a learned person like you, unless

you

> > are

> > > trying to test me:--))

> > >

> > > I am sure you know all about potential and kinetic energies and

> > the

> > > differences.

> > >

> > > > Sadhakas do not try to awaken the Kundalini only because it

is

> > > > auspicious, which it is, it is to know the svarupa of Para

> > Brahman

> > > within.

> > >

> > > Lakshmi: Right Sir, is any knowledge/power termed "auspicious",

> > > unless it leads us to Ralization of Para Brahma within?

Sahasraara

> > is

> > > Shiva and "Shiva" means "auspicious"!

> > >

> > > When I used the term "beneficial" or "auspicious", I used it

> > solely

> > > in spiritual parlance, and it only means "Realization"! Anyway,

> > now

> > > you seem to agree with me that only an awakened Kundalini can

give

> > > realization!!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I am also not capable of understanding what you are driving

at

> > > when you say:

> > > >

> > > > _ "if you feel that there's no difference between asat and

Sat,

> > > between

> > > > tamas and Jyoti, between mrita and Amrita.." _, on the one

hand

> > > and then

> > > > say that Kula is Chit and Akula is Sat-Chit-Anand. Do you

mean

> > > that the

> > > > Kundalini shakti can give out its beneficial effulgence

without

> > > the

> > > > existence of Shiva in Sahasrara?

> > > >

> > >

> > > Lakshmi: Sir, have i implied any such thing? If the terms...

Sat,

> > > Jyoti, Amrita, Sat-chit-ananda do not mean Shiva, what else do

> > they

> > > mean?

> > >

> > > I really do not know whther the obtuseness/ambiguity is in my

> > > message or in your understanding.

> > >

> > > In my bulb example also I was saying that kundalini activation

is

> > > important for those who want the Light and the extra vision.

For

> > > those who do not want them, it does not matter whether

kundalini

> > is

> > > awake or sleeping. In spiritual/philosophical parlance, an

> > awakened

> > > kundalini can make one realize that he/she is indeed Shiva and

not

> > > shava!!

> > >

> > > I have not said any thing about "kula" or "akula" that's not

given

> > > in texts. If you read the extract of Shri Chandra Hari's

message,

> > > he's also saying the same thing.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > > What is Kula and what is Akula is well defined and

redefining it

> > > may be

> > > > a new trend that I am not familiar with. I do not think the

> > terms

> > > used

> > > > in Tantra shastra are open to redefinition.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrasekhar ji: Only that it is

> > > > > > auspicious, whether risen or not.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lakshmi: Then if sleeping kundalini is equal to awakened

> > > kundalini,

> > > > > can you tell me why sadhakas go to great lengths to awaken

it?

> > > You

> > > > > and I may not know it, but they know the tremendous

difference

> > it

> > > > > can make:--))

> > > > >

> > > > > > However let me put it this way, what you are referring

to as

> > > the

> > > > > bulb,

> > > > > > happens to be the generator. That is why Kundalini is

> > referred

> > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > like Vidullekha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, i don't think you've understood my point at

all

> > and

> > > > > request you to read the example again. I referred to

kundalini

> > as

> > > > > the power/electricity and not as the bulb!!

> > > > >

> > > > > > Kula and Akula tantra do not distinguish between where

the

> > > energy

> > > > > lies,

> > > > > > to the best of my knowledge. And there is something

called

> > > Yamala

> > > > > which

> > > > > > recognizes this fact. Actually as Shakti is Kula so is

Shiva

> > > > > called

> > > > > > Akula per Kulachudamani Tantra.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lakshmi: "Kula" is base of mooladhara, where Kundalini

lies,

> > as

> > > tri-

> > > > > gunamayi, as moolaprakriti fraught with

> > differentiations. "Akula"

> > > > > is sahasraara, where the gunas and differentiations cease.

Kula

> > > > > is "chit" while akula is "sat-chit-ananda"!! Isn't there a

> > > > > difference?

> > > > >

> > > > > However, if you feel that there's no differece between asat

> > and

> > > Sat,

> > > > > between tamas and Jyoti, between mrita and Amrita...then

> > there's

> > > no

> > > > > necessity/relevance for this discussion, because the entire

> > > concept

> > > > > of Kundalini and its ascension hinges on this.

> > > > >

> > > > > I better stop here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chit shakti is certainly correct, but in the form of

> > > potential

> > > > > > > only. Let me take a mundane example to illustrate what

I

> > > think:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There's a bulb in the room and it's connected to the

power

> > > > > source,

> > > > > > > but the switch is "off". The power to light the bulb,

all

> > the

> > > > > > > infrastructure is present, but does the bulb shine?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Unless the switch is reversed to "on" position, power

will

> > > not

> > > > > flow

> > > > > > > through the wires and make the bulb glow, aiding our

> > vision.

> > > I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > discussing about that crucial "switch" which will allow

> > > passage

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > power, so that the Light manifests.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There's a huge difference between kundalini as "Kula"

and

> > > > > > > as "Akula". But, as I do not intend entering into a

full

> > > scale

> > > > > > > discussion on tantra, it's sufficient to say that the

> > upward

> > > > > journey

> > > > > > > of Kundalini is an epic journey of all of us...from

> > untruth

> > > to

> > > > > > > Truth, from darkness to Light, from death to

Immortality...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > asatoma sadgamaya

> > > > > > > tamasoma jyotirgamaya

> > > > > > > mrityorma amritamgamaya

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Shanti! Shanti! ShantiH

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > Chiti shakti or Chitshakti is the other name of

> > Kundalini,

> > > > > > > awakened or

> > > > > > > > dormant.

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Does any tantra text describe unawakened kundalini,

> > > lying at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > base of Mooladhara chakra, as beneficial?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your affection. I always think highly of

> > you

> > > and

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Chandrasekhar ji.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have great respect for Chandra Hari. I also

have

> > > great

> > > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > whatever is written by Maharishis.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As Chadrasekharji has stated, grahana times are

very

> > > > > auspicious

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > doing japa, because that time is supposed to

bestow

> > > great

> > > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > > > siddhi. But as Sanjay Rath had brilliantly

> > explained,

> > > the

> > > > > > > grahana

> > > > > > > > > > time (yoga) is good when Jupiter(prayer/pooja

etc) is

> > > > > strong.

> > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > > people are not engaged in japa/tapa at that time,

> > > grahana

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > good time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I also request you to read my research paper on

> > Timing

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > events and my paper on Kalapurusha transits. I am

> > sure

> > > > > you'll

> > > > > > > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > > > > reading them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A corrected/upward Rahu(who is represented in

> > > > > > > tantra/kundalini) is

> > > > > > > > > > always good, because at that time he's like the

Sun,

> > > > > > > representing

> > > > > > > > > > the head and is also direct like that Sun...the

> > Shiva.

> > > If

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > refer

> > > > > > > > > > to my previous email, you'll notice that I said

the

> > > same

> > > > > thing.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu/Demon/Chandala etc has a strong

Philosophical

> > > > > > > footing.Have

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > ever thought how the sages were able to

discover

> > > > > mathematical

> > > > > > > > > > points

> > > > > > > > > > > called nodes?If you didn't know kindly read the

> > > > > followoing

> > > > > > > > > section

> > > > > > > > > > > of shri Chandrahari's article(uploaded long

back

> > into

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > groups).Else ignore.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Influence of eclipses guided the discovery of

the

> > > Nodes

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Moon -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > the serpent of time - the north node or Rahu

> > became

> > > the

> > > > > > > symbol

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > birth and Sikhi became the symbol of

> > > > > death/liberation/mukti

> > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > the luni-solar phenomena symbolized man's

spiritual

> > > > > pursuits.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > MATRAKABHEDA Tantra explains the significance

of

> > > RAhu and

> > > > > > > Sikhi

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the following dialogue between Siva and Sakti

who

> > are

> > > > > > > > > > > representations of Sun and Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ''Rahu Chandalo Vikhyatha Sarvatra

> > > > > Parameshwara.Punyakaala

> > > > > > > > > Katham

> > > > > > > > > > > Deva TasyaSparsha Divakara.Nishakarey Tadha

Nadha

> > > IthiMe

> > > > > > > > > Samshayo

> > > > > > > > > > > Hridi''

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > "Everywhere Rahu is famous as Chandala, O'

Great

> > > Lord.

> > > > > How

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with Sun leads to auspicious times?

> > Same

> > > > > with the

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > as well; please elaborate this aspect first and

> > the

> > > rest

> > > > > > > later"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > "Hear, O' beautiful, eclipses are the most

> > auspicious

> > > > > times -

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > three kinds, involving Moon,Sun and the Fire

> > (Agni).

> > > In

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > eye

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the forehead of the Sakta is placed Agni while

> > Moon

> > > and

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > left and right eyes"

> > > > > > > > > > > "When Sambhu joins Devi the eclipses occur and

> > > SivaSakti

> > > > > > > union

> > > > > > > > > > takes

> > > > > > > > > > > place. The left nadi is kindled at the time of

a

> > > lunar

> > > > > > > eclipse

> > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > the right one in solar and at the new year

> > (agni),the

> > > > > > > sushumna

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > kindled.Rahu is Siva and the master of the

three

> > > gunas

> > > > > and at

> > > > > > > > > > > eclipses the Siva joins Sakti"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rest you can conclude.Through HIS grace i can

see

> > > what

> > > > > method

> > > > > > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > > > are employing to degrade and disrupt my

> > > responsibilities

> > > > > > > (through

> > > > > > > > > > > planetary combination tactics).I have no hatred

> > > towards

> > > > > > > them.Let

> > > > > > > > > > HIM

> > > > > > > > > > > show them light.But no such gimmicks can

withstand

> > > the

> > > > > tests

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > time.MahaKala will sweep and burn

> > falsehood.Students

> > > will

> > > > > > > > > > Realize.I

> > > > > > > > > > > am told just to concentrate on my goal and

nothing

> > > else-

> > > > > HE

> > > > > > > > > > > will guard me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also if it is useful read the following -

> > > > > > > > > > > Human body is described in Tantra with

astronomical

> > > > > > > terminology -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > for example, in Purnananda's

SritattwaChintamani,

> > we

> > > can

> > > > > > > find -

> > > > > > > > > On

> > > > > > > > > > > the periphery of Meru at the left and right are

> > the

> > > two

> > > > > > > veins,

> > > > > > > > > > Sashi

> > > > > > > > > > > and Mihira (moon & sun). In the middle is

placed

> > > Susumna

> > > > > > > > > possessed

> > > > > > > > > > > of the three qualities and of the form of

moon, sun

> > > > > > > and 'agni' -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > extending from the middle of Kanda to the Head

> > like a

> > > > > string

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > pomegranate flowers - holds inside the shining

> > Vajra-

> > > Nadi

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > genitals to the head.Here the vertebral column

is

> > > equated

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Meru,

> > > > > > > > > > > the axis of earth and the lunar and solar

orbits

> > have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > > > equivalent to the two Nadis Ida and Pingala

which

> > > > > > > respectively

> > > > > > > > > > carry

> > > > > > > > > > > the prana and apana.Above the Meru is Dhruva

and as

> > > > > > > equivalent

> > > > > > > > > > > Tantra defines Dvadasanta above the sphere of

Moon

> > > and

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > orifice -

> > > > > > > > > > > the sahasrara or brain.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi ji you are very learned.I am not

worried

> > > about

> > > > > > > > > acceptance

> > > > > > > > > > > from majority.This is not my knowledge,but OUR

> > > > > Knowledge.The

> > > > > > > > > wise

> > > > > > > > > > > and wise ALONE can realize the wisdom of

Mahamunis.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kindly share your views.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------------

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> > --

> > > -

> > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/435 -

> > Release

> > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > 8/31/2006

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

September 9, 2006

There are only 4 sandhyas...

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Divine Lakshmi,

subject can only be understood and experienced only after

getting a Deeksha from a realized Tantra Guru, doing all the 5 sandhyas

and other nitya karmas like Purashcharana, Puja, Paddhati, Sahasranama

etc., which is not possible for all persons to do.

Chandrashekhar.

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