Involuntary, Voluntary Decisions on Abortions..

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Dear Akash,

 

>And if these 2 kids were not aborted then this person would not have

>ventured to next 2 kids.

 

I wonder if an aborted child, I mean miscarriage for the wife,

unvoluntary, would be seen in the man's chart as well? I mean, the woman

miscarries, it is an experience for her, but it never manifests as a child

for the man, so can we see the number of miscarriages/abortions only from

the female chart then?

 

Ys,

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Is it considered a sin (dushkarma) when it is found out that the

pregnancy is not viable (through ultrasound) and the mother is

advised by doctors to have an abortion. The mother already has had

a natural, painful miscarriage and knows this one is to have the

same fate and so accepts doctors advice and gets an abortion done.

 

Maiden

 

 

vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS wrote:

>

> Dear Akash,

>

> >And if these 2 kids were not aborted then this person would not

have

> >ventured to next 2 kids.

>

> I wonder if an aborted child, I mean miscarriage for the wife,

> unvoluntary, would be seen in the man's chart as well? I mean, the

woman

> miscarries, it is an experience for her, but it never manifests as

a child

> for the man, so can we see the number of miscarriages/abortions

only from

> the female chart then?

>

> Ys,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

>

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Om Namh Shivaya!

 

Dear Dhira,

 

You have bought out a very valid point. The details of the child not

living should be readable from the father's chart, I guess. I am

still delving into details of finding out the how of it. But I know

to an extent that an aspect of malefic planets on the lord of the

child and the position of the lord of the child in a benefic/malefic

house with or without Putrakaraka Jupiter's aspect plays an

important role in letting us know whether the unborn child would

live to see the new light of the day on this earth.

 

Maybe Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji can show some light here

 

 

With Regards

/-Akash..

 

vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS wrote:

>

> Dear Akash,

>

> >And if these 2 kids were not aborted then this person would not

have

> >ventured to next 2 kids.

>

> I wonder if an aborted child, I mean miscarriage for the wife,

> unvoluntary, would be seen in the man's chart as well? I mean, the

woman

> miscarries, it is an experience for her, but it never manifests as

a child

> for the man, so can we see the number of miscarriages/abortions

only from

> the female chart then?

>

> Ys,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

>

> <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html>

> <Dhira_ayanamsa>

>

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Dear Member:

 

No.....anything done as per physician's advice and with bonafide

intentions cannot be considered a sin.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology, "icymaiden2000"

<icymaiden2000 wrote:

>

> Is it considered a sin (dushkarma) when it is found out that the

> pregnancy is not viable (through ultrasound) and the mother is

> advised by doctors to have an abortion. The mother already has

had

> a natural, painful miscarriage and knows this one is to have the

> same fate and so accepts doctors advice and gets an abortion done.

>

> Maiden

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

> <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Akash,

> >

> > >And if these 2 kids were not aborted then this person would not

> have

> > >ventured to next 2 kids.

> >

> > I wonder if an aborted child, I mean miscarriage for the wife,

> > unvoluntary, would be seen in the man's chart as well? I mean,

the

> woman

> > miscarries, it is an experience for her, but it never manifests

as

> a child

> > for the man, so can we see the number of miscarriages/abortions

> only from

> > the female chart then?

> >

> > Ys,

> > Dhira Krsna dasa,

> >

> > <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html>

> > <Dhira_ayanamsa>

> >

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>

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Dear Members,

 

An interesting possibility / scenerio has surfaced on the thread, of tracing voluntary abortions from male's charts (father).

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will.

 

 

>

> dakshinastrologer (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:23:21 -0000

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Involuntary, Voluntary Decisions on

> Abortions..

>

> Dear Member:

>

> No.....anything done as per physician's advice and with bonafide

> intentions cannot be considered a sin.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology, "icymaiden2000"

> <icymaiden2000 wrote:

>>

>> Is it considered a sin (dushkarma) when it is found out that the

>> pregnancy is not viable (through ultrasound) and the mother is

>> advised by doctors to have an abortion. The mother already has

> had

>> a natural, painful miscarriage and knows this one is to have the

>> same fate and so accepts doctors advice and gets an abortion done.

>>

>> Maiden

>>

>>

>> vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

>> <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@> wrote:

>>>

>>> Dear Akash,

>>>

>>> >And if these 2 kids were not aborted then this person would not

>> have

>>> >ventured to next 2 kids.

>>>

>>> I wonder if an aborted child, I mean miscarriage for the wife,

>>> unvoluntary, would be seen in the man's chart as well? I mean,

> the

>> woman

>>> miscarries, it is an experience for her, but it never manifests

> as

>> a child

>>> for the man, so can we see the number of miscarriages/abortions

>> only from

>>> the female chart then?

>>>

>>> Ys,

>>> Dhira Krsna dasa,

>>>

>>> <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html>

>>> <Dhira_ayanamsa>

>>>

>>> Drive cheaper: are you paying too much for fuel? Visit

>>> www.globalfuelsaver.net and enter my e-mail as reference

>>>

>>

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Dear dakshinastrologer ji,

It s interesting you say "anything done as per physician's advice with

bona fide intentions cannot be considered sin>

There seems to be some deeper knowledge here that has made you to make

this statement. Please explain more how and why we could take the

opinion of the physicians as sacred (as an act of no sin). I feel there

is more truth in your statement. Please enlighten us.

With Respects.

-C

 

dakshinastrologer wrote:

>

> Dear Member:

>

> No.....anything done as per physician's advice and with bonafide

> intentions cannot be considered a sin.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, "icymaiden2000"

> <icymaiden2000 wrote:

> >

> > Is it considered a sin (dushkarma) when it is found out that the

> > pregnancy is not viable (through ultrasound) and the mother is

> > advised by doctors to have an abortion. The mother already has

> had

> > a natural, painful miscarriage and knows this one is to have the

> > same fate and so accepts doctors advice and gets an abortion done.

> >

> > Maiden

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

> > <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Akash,

> > >

> > > >And if these 2 kids were not aborted then this person would not

> > have

> > > >ventured to next 2 kids.

> > >

> > > I wonder if an aborted child, I mean miscarriage for the wife,

> > > unvoluntary, would be seen in the man's chart as well? I mean,

> the

> > woman

> > > miscarries, it is an experience for her, but it never manifests

> as

> > a child

> > > for the man, so can we see the number of miscarriages/abortions

> > only from

> > > the female chart then?

> > >

> > > Ys,

> > > Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > >

> > > <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html

> <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html>>

> > > <Dhira_ayanamsa

> <Dhira_ayanamsa>>

> > >

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> >

>

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Dear Student Bindiya:

 

Shraadh is not ordained for fetal deaths. But, if the peace of the

soul which is suffering torment having been caught in a vicious

cycle of karmas is desired, a "Moksha Deepam" can be lit praying for

the soul's peace (Moksha deepam is nothing but Ordinary gingely oil

(til oil) lit up with prayers to Lord Mahaa Vishnu/ Lord Mahaa Deva

Shiva for the peace of the soul). Actually, lighting lamps during

Deepavali festival itself is for the peace of all such restless

souls only. Karthigai deepam is another festival when lamps can be

lit for the peace of such souls. In fact, it is the duty of all

persons who can, to light up such Moksha deepams whenever news about

mass tragedies are received for the peace of departed souls many of

whom would have been wiped away with all their family members with

no one to perform last rites. This can be done by any one for any

soul any where in the world. Doing things like these will

definitely bring peace to the world.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

vedic astrology, "bindiya"

<bindiyaanurudguptha wrote:

>

> Namaste Shri Dakshinamoorthyji,

> Very grateful sir,you have enlightened all learners on this

> topic.Also for the remedial measures.Sir, you mentioned about such

> children becoming spirits due to such voluntary decisions,what can

> be done for such souls to ensure they get peace?Is it correct to

do

> functions like Shraadh or is a self taken Sankalp like feeding

> orphan children on a particular day right?I hope I have put in

> proper words what I mean to ask.

> Can such souls cause any obstacles or harm to the living siblings?

> An aquaintance once told me how an astrologer in Kerala told him

> about the siblings who had died in infancy and how their spirits

are

> still 'attached' to him.Is this possible?He was even given

remedial

> measures to do on Amavasya days in Lord Shiva's temple.I am sorry

> but I have forgotten about the particular vazhipaadu name

mentioned

> in this case,hence my question.

> Thanking you for your patience and understanding,

>

> Sincerely,

>

> bindiya.

>

> 'Agnyaana timiraandhasya gnyaanaanjana shalaakayaa yen chakshu

> oonmeelitam tasmai Shri Guruve Namah'

>

> vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Student Bindya:

> >

> > voluntary decision to abort a fetus gives rise to a great dosha

> > called "shishu hatya". The remedy for this is the same as that

> for

> > Brahma Hatya. Tapasya is the best means to overcome the karma.

> For

> > peace of mind, if the perperent has realized that what they have

> > done at a later stage, they can donate a portion of their salary

> for

> > the upkeep of orphan children. As you say, it is possible that

> the

> > same fetus may later take birth from the same mother though it

is

> > not always the case.....strange are the ways of creation.

> >

> > Blessed be

> > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > vedic astrology, "bindiya"

> > <bindiyaanurudguptha@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Shri Dakshinamoorthyji,

> > > Grateful for your explanation of Manglik dosha

cancellation.Sir

> > > please address me as Bindiya only,I am a mere student.May I

> > venture

> > > to ask another question on the topic of abortions.In today's

> times

> > > many parents are involved in these kind of bad karma.But the

> > mothers

> > > often keep wanting to do 'something' for these children they

> lost

> > > voluntarily or involuntarily,sometimes even as infants due to

> some

> > > arishtas.What can be done for these children so they donot

> become

> > > spirits and their living siblings are unaffected?Is it

possible

> > that

> > > the same soul tries to come back repeatedly to the same set of

> > > parents?Is there any prayaschitta karma for the voluntary

> > decisions?

> > > I have read that such abortions are equivalent to Brahmana

> > > hatya.Please enlighten on these doubts.Highly obliged,

> > >

> > > sincerely,

> > >

> > > bindiya.

> > >

> > > 'Agnyaana timiraandhasya gnyaanaanjana shalaakayaa yen chakshu

> > > oonmeelitam tasmai Shri Guruve Namah'

> > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri. Baksh:

> > > >

> > > > Involuntary abortions (spontaneous due to medical reasons)

> will

> > > not

> > > > constitute any fresh dushkarmaas; rather, they are the

result

> of

> > > > evil karmas of the past which have led to the putradosha in

> this

> > > > birth. Even in involuntary abortions, if the abortion had

> been

> > > > caused due to negligence of the carrying mother, or due to

> > > accidents

> > > > where there has been an element of negligence on the part of

> > > > somebody, the dushkarma will arise. That is why, in olden

> days

> > > > pregnant women were always treated with great concern and

care

> > so

> > > > that both the mother and the child are safe.

> > > >

> > > > Voluntary abortions do definitely cause dushkarma. It may

> lead

> > to

> > > > childlessness in future births.

> > > >

> > > > Putra dosha can arise due to many variety of curses; but,

> there

> > is

> > > > one minor thing that most people do not realize.....even

> teasing

> > a

> > > > child less than 5 years severely for fun may lead to putra

> dosha

> > > if

> > > > the child concerned gets upset too much. Conversely,

treating

> > > young

> > > > children with great affection and care may even reduce the

> putra

> > > > dosha effects arising from dush karmas of the previous

births

> to

> > a

> > > > great extent. This is the reason why some couples conceive

> > > healthy

> > > > babies within years after adopting another child. Their

> > affection

> > > > and care to the adopted child removes their evil karmas of

the

> > > past!

> > > >

> > > > Regarding the foetus in the womb that meets its end by

> > spontaneous

> > > > or voluntary abortions.......it is the fate of that soul!

> Even

> > > > after receiving punishment in hell for major sins, there

might

> > be

> > > > some minor sins which do not warrant heavy punishment or

hard

> > life

> > > > in earth which have not been settled......when such karmaas

> are

> > > > there, souls take birth as ill-conceived foetus....infact,

> such

> > > > souls take a few births like that with negligible longevity

or

> > > even

> > > > null longevity (only taking form in the womb and getting

> > aborted!).

> > > >

> > > > Children who are victims of voluntary abortion may proceed

to

> > the

> > > > next birth or go to other planes of existence without any

evil

> > > > doshas affecting them. But, foetus that has been aborted

> > > > voluntarily by its parents due to any reason, may suffer the

> > same

> > > > fate as victims of murders and other gruesome deaths - i.e.

> the

> > > soul

> > > > may be troubled and may take the form of ghosts or

elementals

> > that

> > > > find no peace! In effect, parents with severe putra dosha

> > > conceive

> > > > such souls so that the karmaas of both get evened out.

Karmaa

> > is

> > > a

> > > > perfect system where no one gets even an iota more or iota

> less

> > > than

> > > > what they deserve! Karmaa is unbiased and very just though

we

> > may

> > > > not always feel like that!

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "baksh5"

<avbhat2005@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > On Namh Shivaya!

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Gurujans and learned members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Does voluntary or Involuntary abortions of the unborn

child

> > > create

> > > > any

> > > > > karmas ( Dushkarmas ) on the parents or on the child

> itself?.

> > I

> > > > can

> > > > > understand to an extent if its a voluntary decision. What

> > about

> > > > > involuntary? since there was no decision on the parent's

> side

> > of

> > > > > aborting it? But parents do lose their child.

> > > > >

> > > > > For exg if a person has a possibility of getting 4 kids

but

> 2

> > of

> > > > them

> > > > > did not see the world due to abortions ( involuntary ).

And

> if

> > > > these 2

> > > > > kids were not aborted then this person would not have

> ventured

> > > to

> > > > next

> > > > > 2 kids. So is this is the karma of the child and the

parents

> > for

> > > > this

> > > > > happening? if so why would such a child desire to get into

> the

> > > > womb of

> > > > > such parents where it is destined to be aborted!? since

this

> > > would

> > > > be

> > > > > a loss-loss situation for both the child and the parents?

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please share your thoughts on this?

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards

> > > > > /-Akash..

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandra Sekhar Ji:

 

Yes...there is deeper knowledge in that statement...but, it is not

my own!.....It is in the Parasara Neeti smriti, Arthashaastra and

puraanaas. In fact in Parasara Neeti smriti there is an entire

section dealing with this idea (like when is abortion considered a

sin; when it is not a sin)!

 

Blessed be.

Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology, Chandra Sekhar

<shukrainternationals wrote:

>

> Dear dakshinastrologer ji,

> It s interesting you say "anything done as per physician's advice

with

> bona fide intentions cannot be considered sin>

> There seems to be some deeper knowledge here that has made you to

make

> this statement. Please explain more how and why we could take the

> opinion of the physicians as sacred (as an act of no sin). I feel

there

> is more truth in your statement. Please enlighten us.

> With Respects.

> -C

>

> dakshinastrologer wrote:

> >

> > Dear Member:

> >

> > No.....anything done as per physician's advice and with bonafide

> > intentions cannot be considered a sin.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, "icymaiden2000"

> > <icymaiden2000@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Is it considered a sin (dushkarma) when it is found out that

the

> > > pregnancy is not viable (through ultrasound) and the mother is

> > > advised by doctors to have an abortion. The mother already has

> > had

> > > a natural, painful miscarriage and knows this one is to have

the

> > > same fate and so accepts doctors advice and gets an abortion

done.

> > >

> > > Maiden

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

> > > <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Akash,

> > > >

> > > > >And if these 2 kids were not aborted then this person would

not

> > > have

> > > > >ventured to next 2 kids.

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if an aborted child, I mean miscarriage for the

wife,

> > > > unvoluntary, would be seen in the man's chart as well? I

mean,

> > the

> > > woman

> > > > miscarries, it is an experience for her, but it never

manifests

> > as

> > > a child

> > > > for the man, so can we see the number of

miscarriages/abortions

> > > only from

> > > > the female chart then?

> > > >

> > > > Ys,

> > > > Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > > >

> > > > <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html

> > <http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html>>

> > > > <Dhira_ayanamsa

> > <Dhira_ayanamsa>>

> > > >

> > > > Drive cheaper: are you paying too much for fuel? Visit

> > > > www.globalfuelsaver.net and enter my e-mail as reference

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Maiden,

 

> The mother already has had a natural, painful miscarriage and knows this

>one is to have the same fate and so accepts doctors advice and gets an

>abortion done.

 

Well, you never know if it will end the same fate, so better let nature

take care of it.

 

Ys,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

 

<http://www.jyotishi.150m.com/Ayanamsa.html>

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