Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narasimha, Namaskar I was looking at the chart for President Roosevelt and i think i found some errors in the strength comparisen. Chart is attached. I see two errors in his case: #1 In comparisen of strength between Taurus and Scorpio, Scorpio has been considered stronger. However, if i go through the calculations: i. equal number of planets ii. Scorpio is aspected by Jupiter, whilst Taurus is aspected by its lord Venus. iii. Neither of the signs have exalted nor debilitated planets. iv. The lord of their signs are Venus and Mars, among which Venus is Pitrikaraka whilst Mars is Darakaraka. This makes Venus stronger and thus also Taurus becomes the stronger sign. However, JHORA lists Scorpio as stronger. Is this an error? #2 When reckoning the stronger of the movable signs for the graha-kendradi dasas, the stronger between Aries and Capricorn has been listed as Capricorn (making Venus and Sun stronger). Now again see the calculations i have made: i. equal number of planets. ii. Aries is joined Jupiter and aspected by Mercury thus making it stronger than Capricorn who doesn't recieve any such strengthening aspect. This makes Aries stronger. However, JHORA lists Capricorn as stronger. Is this an error? I would be happy to recieve a reply from you on this topic. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narasimha, Namaskar Thanks for the clarification on my second point. However, i have something to mention about the first point: #1 I think there is a mistake. In the compilation of strengths in the Narayana Dasa book, the rule for oddity is rule 7, whilst the rules for longitudes are rule 5 and rule 6. Whilst you mention that the oddity rule precedes the longitude/chara karaka rule? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net] 08 September 2006 00:19 Visti Larsen; sohamsa Re: JHORA: Strength Comparisen Dear Visti, #1 Before you compare the longitudes, you have the rule of oddity. If a sign and its lord's sign have different oddities, that sign wins. Here, Ta and Sc are both even. While Venus is in an even sign too, Mars is an odd sign! So Sc wins. #2 In Narayana dasa, the rule on aspects from Jupiter, Mercury and dispositor comes first and then the rule on exalted and debilitated planets comes. But, Sanjay taught me that in kendradi graha dasas, the rule on exalted and debilitated planets must be applied first (right after counting the planets in the signs). Saturn is debilitated in Ar. So Cp is stronger. I have only implemented in JHora what *I* was taught. Perhaps options can be given in future (just like in Narayana dasa) so that people can experiment and consolidate the rules. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- - Visti <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> Larsen sohamsa Cc: 'Narasimha P.V.R. Rao' <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Friday, September 01, 2006 10:21 AM JHORA: Strength Comparisen ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narasimha, Namaskar I was looking at the chart for President Roosevelt and i think i found some errors in the strength comparisen. Chart is attached. I see two errors in his case: #1 In comparisen of strength between Taurus and Scorpio, Scorpio has been considered stronger. However, if i go through the calculations: i. equal number of planets ii. Scorpio is aspected by Jupiter, whilst Taurus is aspected by its lord Venus. iii. Neither of the signs have exalted nor debilitated planets. iv. The lord of their signs are Venus and Mars, among which Venus is Pitrikaraka whilst Mars is Darakaraka. This makes Venus stronger and thus also Taurus becomes the stronger sign. However, JHORA lists Scorpio as stronger. Is this an error? #2 When reckoning the stronger of the movable signs for the graha-kendradi dasas, the stronger between Aries and Capricorn has been listed as Capricorn (making Venus and Sun stronger). Now again see the calculations i have made: i. equal number of planets. ii. Aries is joined Jupiter and aspected by Mercury thus making it stronger than Capricorn who doesn't recieve any such strengthening aspect. This makes Aries stronger. However, JHORA lists Capricorn as stronger. Is this an error? I would be happy to recieve a reply from you on this topic. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 om gurave namah Dear Visti Oddity has to precede the carakaraka rule - please think. Can there be anything left after degrees are taken into account? With Best Wishes & Warm Regards, Sanjay Rath WebPages: SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org Personal: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com Long Distance Lessons: <http://jiva.us/> http://jiva.us Publications & Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com _____ Visti Larsen [visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com] Friday, September 08, 2006 2:49 AM 'Narasimha P.V.R. Rao'; sohamsa; Cc: 'Guru Sanjay Rath' RE: JHORA: Strength Comparisen ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narasimha, Namaskar Thanks for the clarification on my second point. However, i have something to mention about the first point: #1 I think there is a mistake. In the compilation of strengths in the Narayana Dasa book, the rule for oddity is rule 7, whilst the rules for longitudes are rule 5 and rule 6. Whilst you mention that the oddity rule precedes the longitude/chara karaka rule? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net] 08 September 2006 00:19 Visti Larsen; sohamsa Re: JHORA: Strength Comparisen Dear Visti, #1 Before you compare the longitudes, you have the rule of oddity. If a sign and its lord's sign have different oddities, that sign wins. Here, Ta and Sc are both even. While Venus is in an even sign too, Mars is an odd sign! So Sc wins. #2 In Narayana dasa, the rule on aspects from Jupiter, Mercury and dispositor comes first and then the rule on exalted and debilitated planets comes. But, Sanjay taught me that in kendradi graha dasas, the rule on exalted and debilitated planets must be applied first (right after counting the planets in the signs). Saturn is debilitated in Ar. So Cp is stronger. I have only implemented in JHora what *I* was taught. Perhaps options can be given in future (just like in Narayana dasa) so that people can experiment and consolidate the rules. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- - Visti <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> Larsen sohamsa Cc: 'Narasimha P.V.R. Rao' <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Friday, September 01, 2006 10:21 AM JHORA: Strength Comparisen ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narasimha, Namaskar I was looking at the chart for President Roosevelt and i think i found some errors in the strength comparisen. Chart is attached. I see two errors in his case: #1 In comparisen of strength between Taurus and Scorpio, Scorpio has been considered stronger. However, if i go through the calculations: i. equal number of planets ii. Scorpio is aspected by Jupiter, whilst Taurus is aspected by its lord Venus. iii. Neither of the signs have exalted nor debilitated planets. iv. The lord of their signs are Venus and Mars, among which Venus is Pitrikaraka whilst Mars is Darakaraka. This makes Venus stronger and thus also Taurus becomes the stronger sign. However, JHORA lists Scorpio as stronger. Is this an error? #2 When reckoning the stronger of the movable signs for the graha-kendradi dasas, the stronger between Aries and Capricorn has been listed as Capricorn (making Venus and Sun stronger). Now again see the calculations i have made: i. equal number of planets. ii. Aries is joined Jupiter and aspected by Mercury thus making it stronger than Capricorn who doesn't recieve any such strengthening aspect. This makes Aries stronger. However, JHORA lists Capricorn as stronger. Is this an error? I would be happy to recieve a reply from you on this topic. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear Visti, I'll ignore what's in Sanjay's book in favor of what he told me and what I found working better in my experience. If will be an oddity to have the oddity rule comes after the longitude rule.. Then the oddity rule will never be used! It makes sense that longitudes are the final step. BTW, I sent 3 mails yesterday to the sohamsa list after a long time and only one appeared. I wonder if sohamsa is misbehaving and throwing out some mails. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- - Visti Larsen 'Narasimha P.V.R. Rao' ; sohamsa ; Cc: 'Guru Sanjay Rath' Friday, September 08, 2006 5:48 AM RE: JHORA: Strength Comparisen ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narasimha, Namaskar Thanks for the clarification on my second point. However, i have something to mention about the first point: #1 I think there is a mistake. In the compilation of strengths in the Narayana Dasa book, the rule for oddity is rule 7, whilst the rules for longitudes are rule 5 and rule 6. Whilst you mention that the oddity rule precedes the longitude/chara karaka rule? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net] 08 September 2006 00:19 Visti Larsen; sohamsa Re: JHORA: Strength Comparisen Dear Visti, #1 Before you compare the longitudes, you have the rule of oddity. If a sign and its lord's sign have different oddities, that sign wins. Here, Ta and Sc are both even. While Venus is in an even sign too, Mars is an odd sign! So Sc wins. #2 In Narayana dasa, the rule on aspects from Jupiter, Mercury and dispositor comes first and then the rule on exalted and debilitated planets comes.. But, Sanjay taught me that in kendradi graha dasas, the rule on exalted and debilitated planets must be applied first (right after counting the planets in the signs). Saturn is debilitated in Ar. So Cp is stronger. I have only implemented in JHora what *I* was taught. Perhaps options can be given in future (just like in Narayana dasa) so that people can experiment and consolidate the rules. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- - Visti Larsen sohamsa Cc: 'Narasimha P.V.R. Rao' Friday, September 01, 2006 10:21 AM JHORA: Strength Comparisen ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narasimha, Namaskar I was looking at the chart for President Roosevelt and i think i found some errors in the strength comparisen. Chart is attached. I see two errors in his case: #1 In comparisen of strength between Taurus and Scorpio, Scorpio has been considered stronger. However, if i go through the calculations: i. equal number of planets ii. Scorpio is aspected by Jupiter, whilst Taurus is aspected by its lord Venus. iii. Neither of the signs have exalted nor debilitated planets. iv. The lord of their signs are Venus and Mars, among which Venus is Pitrikaraka whilst Mars is Darakaraka. This makes Venus stronger and thus also Taurus becomes the stronger sign. However, JHORA lists Scorpio as stronger. Is this an error? #2 When reckoning the stronger of the movable signs for the graha-kendradi dasas, the stronger between Aries and Capricorn has been listed as Capricorn (making Venus and Sun stronger). Now again see the calculations i have made: i. equal number of planets. ii. Aries is joined Jupiter and aspected by Mercury thus making it stronger than Capricorn who doesn't recieve any such strengthening aspect. This makes Aries stronger. However, JHORA lists Capricorn as stronger. Is this an error? I would be happy to recieve a reply from you on this topic. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 om gurave namah Dear Narasimha Why is that happening at sohamsa? Just made you a moderator .Please check as Lakshmi kary also complained about this earlier. Once again Visti...How can the longitude rule come before the oddity rule?? Please this is absurd. If there is a mistake in the book it should be corrected when it is published by Sagittarius next time. With Best Wishes & Warm Regards, Sanjay Rath WebPages: SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org Personal: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com Long Distance Lessons: <http://jiva.us/> http://jiva.us Publications & Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com _____ Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net] Friday, September 08, 2006 3:56 PM Visti Larsen; sohamsa; Cc: 'Guru Sanjay Rath' Re: JHORA: Strength Comparisen Dear Visti, I'll ignore what's in Sanjay's book in favor of what he told me and what I found working better in my experience. If will be an oddity to have the oddity rule comes after the longitude rule. Then the oddity rule will never be used! It makes sense that longitudes are the final step. BTW, I sent 3 mails yesterday to the sohamsa list after a long time and only one appeared. I wonder if sohamsa is misbehaving and throwing out some mails. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- - Visti <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> Larsen 'Narasimha P.V.R. Rao' <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> ; sohamsa ; Cc: 'Guru Sanjay Rath' <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> Friday, September 08, 2006 5:48 AM RE: JHORA: Strength Comparisen ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narasimha, Namaskar Thanks for the clarification on my second point. However, i have something to mention about the first point: #1 I think there is a mistake. In the compilation of strengths in the Narayana Dasa book, the rule for oddity is rule 7, whilst the rules for longitudes are rule 5 and rule 6. Whilst you mention that the oddity rule precedes the longitude/chara karaka rule? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net] 08 September 2006 00:19 Visti Larsen; sohamsa Re: JHORA: Strength Comparisen Dear Visti, #1 Before you compare the longitudes, you have the rule of oddity. If a sign and its lord's sign have different oddities, that sign wins. Here, Ta and Sc are both even. While Venus is in an even sign too, Mars is an odd sign! So Sc wins. #2 In Narayana dasa, the rule on aspects from Jupiter, Mercury and dispositor comes first and then the rule on exalted and debilitated planets comes. But, Sanjay taught me that in kendradi graha dasas, the rule on exalted and debilitated planets must be applied first (right after counting the planets in the signs). Saturn is debilitated in Ar. So Cp is stronger. I have only implemented in JHora what *I* was taught. Perhaps options can be given in future (just like in Narayana dasa) so that people can experiment and consolidate the rules. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- - Visti <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> Larsen sohamsa Cc: 'Narasimha P.V.R. Rao' <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Friday, September 01, 2006 10:21 AM JHORA: Strength Comparisen ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narasimha, Namaskar I was looking at the chart for President Roosevelt and i think i found some errors in the strength comparisen. Chart is attached. I see two errors in his case: #1 In comparisen of strength between Taurus and Scorpio, Scorpio has been considered stronger. However, if i go through the calculations: i. equal number of planets ii. Scorpio is aspected by Jupiter, whilst Taurus is aspected by its lord Venus. iii. Neither of the signs have exalted nor debilitated planets. iv. The lord of their signs are Venus and Mars, among which Venus is Pitrikaraka whilst Mars is Darakaraka. This makes Venus stronger and thus also Taurus becomes the stronger sign. However, JHORA lists Scorpio as stronger. Is this an error? #2 When reckoning the stronger of the movable signs for the graha-kendradi dasas, the stronger between Aries and Capricorn has been listed as Capricorn (making Venus and Sun stronger). Now again see the calculations i have made: i. equal number of planets. ii. Aries is joined Jupiter and aspected by Mercury thus making it stronger than Capricorn who doesn't recieve any such strengthening aspect. This makes Aries stronger. However, JHORA lists Capricorn as stronger. Is this an error? I would be happy to recieve a reply from you on this topic. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Guruji, Namaskar There is a mistake in the book, i'm looking forward to the republishing. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ Guru Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] 11 September 2006 20:32 'Narasimha P.V.R. Rao'; 'Visti Larsen'; sohamsa; RE: JHORA: Strength Comparisen om gurave namah Dear Narasimha Why is that happening at sohamsa? Just made you a moderator .Please check as Lakshmi kary also complained about this earlier. Once again Visti...How can the longitude rule come before the oddity rule?? Please this is absurd. If there is a mistake in the book it should be corrected when it is published by Sagittarius next time. With Best Wishes & Warm Regards, Sanjay Rath WebPages: SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org Personal: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com Long Distance Lessons: <http://jiva.us/> http://jiva.us Publications & Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com _____ Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net] Friday, September 08, 2006 3:56 PM Visti Larsen; sohamsa; Cc: 'Guru Sanjay Rath' Re: JHORA: Strength Comparisen Dear Visti, I'll ignore what's in Sanjay's book in favor of what he told me and what I found working better in my experience. If will be an oddity to have the oddity rule comes after the longitude rule. Then the oddity rule will never be used! It makes sense that longitudes are the final step. BTW, I sent 3 mails yesterday to the sohamsa list after a long time and only one appeared. I wonder if sohamsa is misbehaving and throwing out some mails. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- - Visti <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> Larsen 'Narasimha P.V.R. Rao' <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> ; sohamsa ; Cc: 'Guru Sanjay Rath' <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> Friday, September 08, 2006 5:48 AM RE: JHORA: Strength Comparisen ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narasimha, Namaskar Thanks for the clarification on my second point. However, i have something to mention about the first point: #1 I think there is a mistake. In the compilation of strengths in the Narayana Dasa book, the rule for oddity is rule 7, whilst the rules for longitudes are rule 5 and rule 6. Whilst you mention that the oddity rule precedes the longitude/chara karaka rule? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net] 08 September 2006 00:19 Visti Larsen; sohamsa Re: JHORA: Strength Comparisen Dear Visti, #1 Before you compare the longitudes, you have the rule of oddity. If a sign and its lord's sign have different oddities, that sign wins. Here, Ta and Sc are both even. While Venus is in an even sign too, Mars is an odd sign! So Sc wins. #2 In Narayana dasa, the rule on aspects from Jupiter, Mercury and dispositor comes first and then the rule on exalted and debilitated planets comes. But, Sanjay taught me that in kendradi graha dasas, the rule on exalted and debilitated planets must be applied first (right after counting the planets in the signs). Saturn is debilitated in Ar. So Cp is stronger. I have only implemented in JHora what *I* was taught. Perhaps options can be given in future (just like in Narayana dasa) so that people can experiment and consolidate the rules. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- - Visti <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> Larsen sohamsa Cc: 'Narasimha P.V.R. Rao' <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Friday, September 01, 2006 10:21 AM JHORA: Strength Comparisen ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narasimha, Namaskar I was looking at the chart for President Roosevelt and i think i found some errors in the strength comparisen. Chart is attached. I see two errors in his case: #1 In comparisen of strength between Taurus and Scorpio, Scorpio has been considered stronger. However, if i go through the calculations: i. equal number of planets ii. Scorpio is aspected by Jupiter, whilst Taurus is aspected by its lord Venus. iii. Neither of the signs have exalted nor debilitated planets. iv. The lord of their signs are Venus and Mars, among which Venus is Pitrikaraka whilst Mars is Darakaraka. This makes Venus stronger and thus also Taurus becomes the stronger sign. However, JHORA lists Scorpio as stronger. Is this an error? #2 When reckoning the stronger of the movable signs for the graha-kendradi dasas, the stronger between Aries and Capricorn has been listed as Capricorn (making Venus and Sun stronger). Now again see the calculations i have made: i. equal number of planets. ii. Aries is joined Jupiter and aspected by Mercury thus making it stronger than Capricorn who doesn't recieve any such strengthening aspect. This makes Aries stronger. However, JHORA lists Capricorn as stronger. Is this an error? I would be happy to recieve a reply from you on this topic. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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