Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 ||Om Datta Guru|| Dear Chandrashekharji, > I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition for > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. But > then there may be some texts that say that as you imply. 1. I am aware that everyone is not aware of everything, since ones experience is limited & depends on who ones teacher has been. Sun shines on all astrologers but few become capable to help, rest become capable to misguide young students 2. Precondition is one thing, who said it is a precondition. It was my own condition for myself as I do not want to land up being one of the internet scholars who can only flash shlokas & poorest researchers & more poor predictors but Great Gurus who display compassion, modesty, humility externally but when their views are not agreed upon lose all their modesty, humility and compassion, ofcourse Gandhi is long dead I forgot. 3. Parasara did not say many things. If he said it all then we wouldn't have had ANY OTHER BOOK on astrology after him. 4. Did other writers contradict him, if so why, if by doing so did they commit a sin? These are question one can think about 5. If they contradicted Parasara then should we read their books, if by doing so are we being disloyal to Parasara, if so why do we read their books then. 6. Then all the dasas, Chakras which are not mentioned in Parasara should be termed Blasphemy. 7. I fail to grasp why we flash Parasara's name everytime. Even he must be thinking as to why so limited we are. For yrs I saw this on lists, everytime hiding behind Parasaras back, I learnt this n had to relearn it when I was rudely told once by a traditionalist to open up my mind and not get into flashing names for the sake of scholarly debate. I have yet to unlearn what the attitude that I learnt from Confused debates on Lists for yrs 8. There are so many things that Parasara mentioned and still astrologers refuse to use, argala etc etc 9. When energy level and spiritual level is pure n raised to higher levels, Masters communicate and teach secrets, I need not say such things since this is common knowledge, prime example is the legend Late Shri Narendra Desai who is said to be the finest astrologer to set foot in America & whom Sages used to communicate. He was student of Guruji C.S. Patel and learnt only ChandraKala Nadi from him but traveled length and breadth of india to learn many things. Regards, Sunil John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Dear Sunil, Sorry for jumping into the thread. Sage Parashar told the things, which suited that yuga. In current yuga - lot many dynamics have changed. For example - Earlier there was no individual wealth; it was solely seen from the family wealth / status. This factor has changed upside down. Earlier, foreign tours were difficult; and was considered as an exile / death like experience. Now with modern communication / transport means, foreign jobs / trips are considered as blessings. Earlier - guru was wealth giver, for the respect kingdoms had for scholars / poets / gurus etc. Now knowledge from those sources are not wealth generating. So lot many dynamics (almost for all houses / bhavas) have been affected - some completely and few partly. So - without disrespect to those sages, we need to redefine their (planets / houses etc) respective current applications. regards / Prafulla Gang The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > suniljohn_2002 > Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:00:35 -0000 > > Hiding behind Parasara Syndrome > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > >> I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition for > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. But > > then there may be some texts that say that as you imply. > > > > > > 1. I am aware that everyone is not aware of everything, since ones > experience is limited & depends on who ones teacher has been. Sun shines > on all astrologers but few become capable to help, rest become capable > to misguide young students > > 2. Precondition is one thing, who said it is a precondition. It was > my own condition for myself as I do not want to land up being one of the > internet scholars who can only flash shlokas & poorest researchers & > more poor predictors but Great Gurus who display compassion, modesty, > humility externally but when their views are not agreed upon lose all > their modesty, humility and compassion, ofcourse Gandhi is long dead I > forgot. > > 3. Parasara did not say many things. If he said it all then we > wouldn't have had ANY OTHER BOOK on astrology after him. > > 4. Did other writers contradict him, if so why, if by doing so did > they commit a sin? These are question one can think about > > 5. If they contradicted Parasara then should we read their books, > if by doing so are we being disloyal to Parasara, if so why do we read > their books then. > > 6. Then all the dasas, Chakras which are not mentioned in Parasara > should be termed Blasphemy. > > 7. I fail to grasp why we flash Parasara's name everytime. Even > he must be thinking as to why so limited we are. For yrs I saw this on > lists, everytime hiding behind Parasaras back, I learnt this n had to > relearn it when I was rudely told once by a traditionalist to open up my > mind and not get into flashing names for the sake of scholarly debate. I > have yet to unlearn what the attitude that I learnt from Confused > debates on Lists for yrs > > 8. There are so many things that Parasara mentioned and still > astrologers refuse to use, argala etc etc > > 9. When energy level and spiritual level is pure n raised to higher > levels, Masters communicate and teach secrets, I need not say such > things since this is common knowledge, prime example is the legend Late > Shri Narendra Desai who is said to be the finest astrologer to set foot > in America & whom Sages used to communicate. He was student of Guruji > C.S. Patel and learnt only ChandraKala Nadi from him but traveled length > and breadth of india to learn many things. > > Regards, > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 ||Om Datta Guru|| Dear Prafulla Bingo and what u wrote has been repeated on lists several times but it doesn't undermine the importance of what u wrote. The issue is to see what u wrote we need to think "Outside the Book" but incidentally we are crucified by others to think outside the box. To Others My participation on lists are consuming me (time) and I must get out of here, so I request others if we get conclusive if possible on the other threads by a day or two otherwise... I also do understand that internet lists are for endless debates and discussions so if it is no possible to conclude no worries Regards, Sunil John , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > Sorry for jumping into the thread. > > Sage Parashar told the things, which suited that yuga. In current yuga - lot many dynamics have changed. For example - > Earlier there was no individual wealth; it was solely seen from the family wealth / status. This factor has changed upside down. > > Earlier, foreign tours were difficult; and was considered as an exile / death like experience. Now with modern communication / transport means, foreign jobs / trips are considered as blessings. > > Earlier - guru was wealth giver, for the respect kingdoms had for scholars / poets / gurus etc. Now knowledge from those sources are not wealth generating. > > So lot many dynamics (almost for all houses / bhavas) have been affected - some completely and few partly. So - without disrespect to those sages, we need to redefine their (planets / houses etc) respective current applications. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 > > Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:00:35 -0000 > > > > Hiding behind Parasara Syndrome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > >> I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition for > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. But > > > then there may be some texts that say that as you imply. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I am aware that everyone is not aware of everything, since ones > > experience is limited & depends on who ones teacher has been. Sun shines > > on all astrologers but few become capable to help, rest become capable > > to misguide young students > > > > 2. Precondition is one thing, who said it is a precondition. It was > > my own condition for myself as I do not want to land up being one of the > > internet scholars who can only flash shlokas & poorest researchers & > > more poor predictors but Great Gurus who display compassion, modesty, > > humility externally but when their views are not agreed upon lose all > > their modesty, humility and compassion, ofcourse Gandhi is long dead I > > forgot. > > > > 3. Parasara did not say many things. If he said it all then we > > wouldn't have had ANY OTHER BOOK on astrology after him. > > > > 4. Did other writers contradict him, if so why, if by doing so did > > they commit a sin? These are question one can think about > > > > 5. If they contradicted Parasara then should we read their books, > > if by doing so are we being disloyal to Parasara, if so why do we read > > their books then. > > > > 6. Then all the dasas, Chakras which are not mentioned in Parasara > > should be termed Blasphemy. > > > > 7. I fail to grasp why we flash Parasara's name everytime. Even > > he must be thinking as to why so limited we are. For yrs I saw this on > > lists, everytime hiding behind Parasaras back, I learnt this n had to > > relearn it when I was rudely told once by a traditionalist to open up my > > mind and not get into flashing names for the sake of scholarly debate. I > > have yet to unlearn what the attitude that I learnt from Confused > > debates on Lists for yrs > > > > 8. There are so many things that Parasara mentioned and still > > astrologers refuse to use, argala etc etc > > > > 9. When energy level and spiritual level is pure n raised to higher > > levels, Masters communicate and teach secrets, I need not say such > > things since this is common knowledge, prime example is the legend Late > > Shri Narendra Desai who is said to be the finest astrologer to set foot > > in America & whom Sages used to communicate. He was student of Guruji > > C.S. Patel and learnt only ChandraKala Nadi from him but traveled length > > and breadth of india to learn many things. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Dear Sunil, Perhaps you should read my mails carefully. I did not say that only Parashara is to be adhered to. I said even Parashara did not say .... There is a great deal of difference between the two. Please do not accuse me of flashing any body's name in vain. It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same breath say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from many classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his foot in America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on whether he visits U.S.A., escapes me). By the way talking of flashing names which do you think more obnoxious, Parashara whose texts can be verified or Secret Paramparas that can never be verified? Chandrashekhar. suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition for > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. But > > then there may be some texts that say that as you imply. > > 1. I am aware that everyone is not aware of everything, since ones > experience is limited & depends on who ones teacher has been. Sun shines > on all astrologers but few become capable to help, rest become capable > to misguide young students > > 2. Precondition is one thing, who said it is a precondition. It was > my own condition for myself as I do not want to land up being one of the > internet scholars who can only flash shlokas & poorest researchers & > more poor predictors but Great Gurus who display compassion, modesty, > humility externally but when their views are not agreed upon lose all > their modesty, humility and compassion, ofcourse Gandhi is long dead I > forgot. > > 3. Parasara did not say many things. If he said it all then we > wouldn't have had ANY OTHER BOOK on astrology after him. > > 4. Did other writers contradict him, if so why, if by doing so did > they commit a sin? These are question one can think about > > 5. If they contradicted Parasara then should we read their books, > if by doing so are we being disloyal to Parasara, if so why do we read > their books then. > > 6. Then all the dasas, Chakras which are not mentioned in Parasara > should be termed Blasphemy. > > 7. I fail to grasp why we flash Parasara's name everytime. Even > he must be thinking as to why so limited we are. For yrs I saw this on > lists, everytime hiding behind Parasaras back, I learnt this n had to > relearn it when I was rudely told once by a traditionalist to open up my > mind and not get into flashing names for the sake of scholarly debate. I > have yet to unlearn what the attitude that I learnt from Confused > debates on Lists for yrs > > 8. There are so many things that Parasara mentioned and still > astrologers refuse to use, argala etc etc > > 9. When energy level and spiritual level is pure n raised to higher > levels, Masters communicate and teach secrets, I need not say such > things since this is common knowledge, prime example is the legend Late > Shri Narendra Desai who is said to be the finest astrologer to set foot > in America & whom Sages used to communicate. He was student of Guruji > C.S. Patel and learnt only ChandraKala Nadi from him but traveled length > and breadth of india to learn many things. > > Regards, > > Sunil John > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Dear ChandrashekarJI Thank you so much for expressing your opinion unambigously clearly, well argumented, thus teaching us all. And your power of patience and tolerance is such a noble quality of a true, genuine teacher!- /far from there myself, I do hope you set up an example for us all less mature and evolved / I've learnt a lot from you, from last treads, and in general. Love, Anna , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > Perhaps you should read my mails carefully. I did not say that only > Parashara is to be adhered to. I said even Parashara did not say .... > There is a great deal of difference between the two. Please do not > accuse me of flashing any body's name in vain. > > It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same breath > say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from many > classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his foot in > America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on whether he > visits U.S.A., escapes me). > > By the way talking of flashing names which do you think more obnoxious, > Parashara whose texts can be verified or Secret Paramparas that can > never be verified? > > Chandrashekhar. > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition for > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. But > > > then there may be some texts that say that as you imply. > > > > 1. I am aware that everyone is not aware of everything, since ones > > experience is limited & depends on who ones teacher has been. Sun shines > > on all astrologers but few become capable to help, rest become capable > > to misguide young students > > > > 2. Precondition is one thing, who said it is a precondition. It was > > my own condition for myself as I do not want to land up being one of the > > internet scholars who can only flash shlokas & poorest researchers & > > more poor predictors but Great Gurus who display compassion, modesty, > > humility externally but when their views are not agreed upon lose all > > their modesty, humility and compassion, ofcourse Gandhi is long dead I > > forgot. > > > > 3. Parasara did not say many things. If he said it all then we > > wouldn't have had ANY OTHER BOOK on astrology after him. > > > > 4. Did other writers contradict him, if so why, if by doing so did > > they commit a sin? These are question one can think about > > > > 5. If they contradicted Parasara then should we read their books, > > if by doing so are we being disloyal to Parasara, if so why do we read > > their books then. > > > > 6. Then all the dasas, Chakras which are not mentioned in Parasara > > should be termed Blasphemy. > > > > 7. I fail to grasp why we flash Parasara's name everytime. Even > > he must be thinking as to why so limited we are. For yrs I saw this on > > lists, everytime hiding behind Parasaras back, I learnt this n had to > > relearn it when I was rudely told once by a traditionalist to open up my > > mind and not get into flashing names for the sake of scholarly debate. I > > have yet to unlearn what the attitude that I learnt from Confused > > debates on Lists for yrs > > > > 8. There are so many things that Parasara mentioned and still > > astrologers refuse to use, argala etc etc > > > > 9. When energy level and spiritual level is pure n raised to higher > > levels, Masters communicate and teach secrets, I need not say such > > things since this is common knowledge, prime example is the legend Late > > Shri Narendra Desai who is said to be the finest astrologer to set foot > > in America & whom Sages used to communicate. He was student of Guruji > > C.S. Patel and learnt only ChandraKala Nadi from him but traveled length > > and breadth of india to learn many things. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil John > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Dear ChandrashekarJI Thank you so much for expressing your opinion unambigously clearly, well argumented, thus teaching us all. And your power of patience and tolerance is such a noble quality of a true, genuine teacher!- /far from there myself, I do hope you set up an example for us all less mature and evolved / I've learnt a lot from you, from last treads, and in general. Love, Anna , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > Perhaps you should read my mails carefully. I did not say that only > Parashara is to be adhered to. I said even Parashara did not say .... > There is a great deal of difference between the two. Please do not > accuse me of flashing any body's name in vain. > > It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same breath > say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from many > classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his foot in > America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on whether he > visits U.S.A., escapes me). > > By the way talking of flashing names which do you think more obnoxious, > Parashara whose texts can be verified or Secret Paramparas that can > never be verified? > > Chandrashekhar. > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition for > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. But > > > then there may be some texts that say that as you imply. > > > > 1. I am aware that everyone is not aware of everything, since ones > > experience is limited & depends on who ones teacher has been. Sun shines > > on all astrologers but few become capable to help, rest become capable > > to misguide young students > > > > 2. Precondition is one thing, who said it is a precondition. It was > > my own condition for myself as I do not want to land up being one of the > > internet scholars who can only flash shlokas & poorest researchers & > > more poor predictors but Great Gurus who display compassion, modesty, > > humility externally but when their views are not agreed upon lose all > > their modesty, humility and compassion, ofcourse Gandhi is long dead I > > forgot. > > > > 3. Parasara did not say many things. If he said it all then we > > wouldn't have had ANY OTHER BOOK on astrology after him. > > > > 4. Did other writers contradict him, if so why, if by doing so did > > they commit a sin? These are question one can think about > > > > 5. If they contradicted Parasara then should we read their books, > > if by doing so are we being disloyal to Parasara, if so why do we read > > their books then. > > > > 6. Then all the dasas, Chakras which are not mentioned in Parasara > > should be termed Blasphemy. > > > > 7. I fail to grasp why we flash Parasara's name everytime. Even > > he must be thinking as to why so limited we are. For yrs I saw this on > > lists, everytime hiding behind Parasaras back, I learnt this n had to > > relearn it when I was rudely told once by a traditionalist to open up my > > mind and not get into flashing names for the sake of scholarly debate. I > > have yet to unlearn what the attitude that I learnt from Confused > > debates on Lists for yrs > > > > 8. There are so many things that Parasara mentioned and still > > astrologers refuse to use, argala etc etc > > > > 9. When energy level and spiritual level is pure n raised to higher > > levels, Masters communicate and teach secrets, I need not say such > > things since this is common knowledge, prime example is the legend Late > > Shri Narendra Desai who is said to be the finest astrologer to set foot > > in America & whom Sages used to communicate. He was student of Guruji > > C.S. Patel and learnt only ChandraKala Nadi from him but traveled length > > and breadth of india to learn many things. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil John > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 ||Om Datta Guru|| Dear Chandrashekharji, Perhaps u should read ur own words carefully. I was sparing in not interpretating ur statement to its right intensity U wrote "I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition for > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. The key word is EVEN PARASHARA that u have used. Ø Does it mean we have all the statements/books ever issued by PARASARA & other sages. The other sages word I used states the "Even Parasara Ø We do not even have Correct translation of whatever available work of Parasara and other sages, so what when we imply that Parasara and other sages did not say it is MOST misleading Ø We can't even translate One word correctly of Mantrashewara what are we talking about Parasara. The word is "Lagnedorapi" . In this word there are differences of opinion and no consensus so how can we say this is what Mantreshwara said or NOT said. We can use those sentences at all as it misleads kids on lists & their thinking becomes limited. I shall do separate post on it. Ø So if even from existing literature we can interpret properly then what about with the literature Not Available. Ø I request u to Pls do not repeatedly twist my words "I do not shun Classics" . I said to understand them its takes a LOT, and for me I need to be at a different level to understand the subtle meaning. There is so much interpolation in the shlokas then how we would understand what was really said Ø U have many a times said that interpolation must be kept in mind, so how do we know what the sages said and how can be so certain this is what was said Ø One should only read some of B V Ramans books and one can see how much literature is NOT available or even looking at the bibiliography of Patels books we can see what we do not have. So let us not make those statements Parasara said this or even parasara said this in the humble name of Honest Astrology. * Why should we use the names of the sages to defend our own ideas when we do not know what they REALLY said. When we do not even have full translations or even texts of all books including Jaimini Sutras. Ø It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same breath say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from many classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his foot in America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on whether he visits U.S.A., escapes me). Ø It was just a statement that he is called (in print ACVA mag) the greatest astrologer to set foot, pls lets apply some commonsense n not fighting sense as to what I meant , since no one here knows who Narendra Desai was, those who know prefer to keep quiet I guess. It was written in the context of that he used to be communicated by the Sages & he had read many such texts which none of us would be ever fortunate to get our hands on. The vibrations reqd for such are very different Regards, Sunil John , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > Perhaps you should read my mails carefully. I did not say that only > Parashara is to be adhered to. I said even Parashara did not say .... > There is a great deal of difference between the two. Please do not > accuse me of flashing any body's name in vain. > > It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same breath > say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from many > classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his foot in > America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on whether he > visits U.S.A., escapes me). > > By the way talking of flashing names which do you think more obnoxious, > Parashara whose texts can be verified or Secret Paramparas that can > never be verified? > > Chandrashekhar. > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition for > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. But > > > then there may be some texts that say that as you imply. > > > > 1. I am aware that everyone is not aware of everything, since ones > > experience is limited & depends on who ones teacher has been. Sun shines > > on all astrologers but few become capable to help, rest become capable > > to misguide young students > > > > 2. Precondition is one thing, who said it is a precondition. It was > > my own condition for myself as I do not want to land up being one of the > > internet scholars who can only flash shlokas & poorest researchers & > > more poor predictors but Great Gurus who display compassion, modesty, > > humility externally but when their views are not agreed upon lose all > > their modesty, humility and compassion, ofcourse Gandhi is long dead I > > forgot. > > > > 3. Parasara did not say many things. If he said it all then we > > wouldn't have had ANY OTHER BOOK on astrology after him. > > > > 4. Did other writers contradict him, if so why, if by doing so did > > they commit a sin? These are question one can think about > > > > 5. If they contradicted Parasara then should we read their books, > > if by doing so are we being disloyal to Parasara, if so why do we read > > their books then. > > > > 6. Then all the dasas, Chakras which are not mentioned in Parasara > > should be termed Blasphemy. > > > > 7. I fail to grasp why we flash Parasara's name everytime. Even > > he must be thinking as to why so limited we are. For yrs I saw this on > > lists, everytime hiding behind Parasaras back, I learnt this n had to > > relearn it when I was rudely told once by a traditionalist to open up my > > mind and not get into flashing names for the sake of scholarly debate. I > > have yet to unlearn what the attitude that I learnt from Confused > > debates on Lists for yrs > > > > 8. There are so many things that Parasara mentioned and still > > astrologers refuse to use, argala etc etc > > > > 9. When energy level and spiritual level is pure n raised to higher > > levels, Masters communicate and teach secrets, I need not say such > > things since this is common knowledge, prime example is the legend Late > > Shri Narendra Desai who is said to be the finest astrologer to set foot > > in America & whom Sages used to communicate. He was student of Guruji > > C.S. Patel and learnt only ChandraKala Nadi from him but traveled length > > and breadth of india to learn many things. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil John > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sunil, Namaste. If i may intervene, it was all along me, who was harping on Parashara and not Chandrasekhar ji. He was always arguing in favour of other authors too. So, perhaps your words need to be more directed at me, and not at him:--)) I agree that the integrity of what we now consider as Parashara's words may be questionable, there can be multiple interpolations/deletions etc. But what's wrong if we try to understand astrology through whatever is available as Parashara's work? We may succeed or not succeed in decoding the Rishi's riddles, but we can at least try. If we set our sights on Parashara, then perhaps after many years of sustained effort, we may at least end up understanding Mantrswara:--))So, no loss!! My apologies if this mail is uncalled for, but I thought I must set the record straight. Regards, Lakshmi , "suniljohn_2002" <suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > Perhaps u should read ur own words carefully. > > I was sparing in not interpretating ur statement to its right intensity > > U wrote > > "I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition for > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. > > > > The key word is EVEN PARASHARA that u have used. > > Ø Does it mean we have all the statements/books ever issued by > PARASARA & other sages. The other sages word I used states the "Even > Parasara > > Ø We do not even have Correct translation of whatever available > work of Parasara and other sages, so what when we imply that Parasara > and other sages did not say it is MOST misleading > > Ø We can't even translate One word correctly of > Mantrashewara what are we talking about Parasara. The word is > "Lagnedorapi" . In this word there are differences of opinion and no > consensus so how can we say this is what Mantreshwara said or NOT said. > We can use those sentences at all as it misleads kids on lists & their > thinking becomes limited. I shall do separate post on it. > > Ø So if even from existing literature we can interpret properly > then what about with the literature Not Available. > > Ø I request u to Pls do not repeatedly twist my words "I do > not shun Classics" . I said to understand them its takes a LOT, and > for me I need to be at a different level to understand the subtle > meaning. There is so much interpolation in the shlokas then how we would > understand what was really said > > Ø U have many a times said that interpolation must be kept in > mind, so how do we know what the sages said and how can be so certain > this is what was said > > Ø One should only read some of B V Ramans books and one can see > how much literature is NOT available or even looking at the > bibiliography of Patels books we can see what we do not have. So let us > not make those statements Parasara said this or even parasara said this > in the humble name of Honest Astrology. > > * Why should we use the names of the sages to defend our own ideas > when we do not know what they REALLY said. When we do not even have full > translations or even texts of all books including Jaimini Sutras. > > Ø > > It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same breath > say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from many > classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his foot in > America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on whether he > visits U.S.A., escapes me). > > > > Ø It was just a statement that he is called (in print ACVA mag) > the greatest astrologer to set foot, pls lets apply some commonsense n > not fighting sense as to what I meant , since no one here knows who > Narendra Desai was, those who know prefer to keep quiet I guess. It was > written in the context of that he used to be communicated by the Sages & > he had read many such texts which none of us would be ever fortunate to > get our hands on. The vibrations reqd for such are very different > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil John > > > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > Perhaps you should read my mails carefully. I did not say that only > > Parashara is to be adhered to. I said even Parashara did not say .... > > There is a great deal of difference between the two. Please do not > > accuse me of flashing any body's name in vain. > > > > It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same > breath > > say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from many > > classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his foot in > > America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on whether he > > visits U.S.A., escapes me). > > > > By the way talking of flashing names which do you think more > obnoxious, > > Parashara whose texts can be verified or Secret Paramparas that can > > never be verified? > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition > for > > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. > But > > > > then there may be some texts that say that as you imply. > > > > > > 1. I am aware that everyone is not aware of everything, since ones > > > experience is limited & depends on who ones teacher has been. Sun > shines > > > on all astrologers but few become capable to help, rest become > capable > > > to misguide young students > > > > > > 2. Precondition is one thing, who said it is a precondition. It was > > > my own condition for myself as I do not want to land up being one of > the > > > internet scholars who can only flash shlokas & poorest researchers & > > > more poor predictors but Great Gurus who display compassion, > modesty, > > > humility externally but when their views are not agreed upon lose > all > > > their modesty, humility and compassion, ofcourse Gandhi is long dead > I > > > forgot. > > > > > > 3. Parasara did not say many things. If he said it all then we > > > wouldn't have had ANY OTHER BOOK on astrology after him. > > > > > > 4. Did other writers contradict him, if so why, if by doing so did > > > they commit a sin? These are question one can think about > > > > > > 5. If they contradicted Parasara then should we read their books, > > > if by doing so are we being disloyal to Parasara, if so why do we > read > > > their books then. > > > > > > 6. Then all the dasas, Chakras which are not mentioned in Parasara > > > should be termed Blasphemy. > > > > > > 7. I fail to grasp why we flash Parasara's name everytime. Even > > > he must be thinking as to why so limited we are. For yrs I saw this > on > > > lists, everytime hiding behind Parasaras back, I learnt this n had > to > > > relearn it when I was rudely told once by a traditionalist to open > up my > > > mind and not get into flashing names for the sake of scholarly > debate. I > > > have yet to unlearn what the attitude that I learnt from Confused > > > debates on Lists for yrs > > > > > > 8. There are so many things that Parasara mentioned and still > > > astrologers refuse to use, argala etc etc > > > > > > 9. When energy level and spiritual level is pure n raised to higher > > > levels, Masters communicate and teach secrets, I need not say such > > > things since this is common knowledge, prime example is the legend > Late > > > Shri Narendra Desai who is said to be the finest astrologer to set > foot > > > in America & whom Sages used to communicate. He was student of > Guruji > > > C.S. Patel and learnt only ChandraKala Nadi from him but traveled > length > > > and breadth of india to learn many things. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 Dear Anna, Thank you for your kind words. Take care, Chandrashekhar. bona_mente wrote: > > Dear ChandrashekarJI > > Thank you so much for expressing your opinion unambigously clearly, > well argumented, thus teaching us all. And your power of patience > and tolerance is such a noble quality of a true, genuine teacher!- > /far from there myself, I do hope you set up an example for us all > less mature and evolved / > > I've learnt a lot from you, from last treads, and in general. > > Love, > Anna > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > Perhaps you should read my mails carefully. I did not say that > only > > Parashara is to be adhered to. I said even Parashara did not > say .... > > There is a great deal of difference between the two. Please do not > > accuse me of flashing any body's name in vain. > > > > It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same > breath > > say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from > many > > classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his foot > in > > America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on whether > he > > visits U.S.A., escapes me). > > > > By the way talking of flashing names which do you think more > obnoxious, > > Parashara whose texts can be verified or Secret Paramparas that > can > > never be verified? > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a > precondition for > > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying > that. But > > > > then there may be some texts that say that as you imply. > > > > > > 1. I am aware that everyone is not aware of everything, since > ones > > > experience is limited & depends on who ones teacher has been. > Sun shines > > > on all astrologers but few become capable to help, rest become > capable > > > to misguide young students > > > > > > 2. Precondition is one thing, who said it is a precondition. It > was > > > my own condition for myself as I do not want to land up being > one of the > > > internet scholars who can only flash shlokas & poorest > researchers & > > > more poor predictors but Great Gurus who display compassion, > modesty, > > > humility externally but when their views are not agreed upon > lose all > > > their modesty, humility and compassion, ofcourse Gandhi is long > dead I > > > forgot. > > > > > > 3. Parasara did not say many things. If he said it all then we > > > wouldn't have had ANY OTHER BOOK on astrology after him. > > > > > > 4. Did other writers contradict him, if so why, if by doing so > did > > > they commit a sin? These are question one can think about > > > > > > 5. If they contradicted Parasara then should we read their books, > > > if by doing so are we being disloyal to Parasara, if so why do > we read > > > their books then. > > > > > > 6. Then all the dasas, Chakras which are not mentioned in > Parasara > > > should be termed Blasphemy. > > > > > > 7. I fail to grasp why we flash Parasara's name everytime. Even > > > he must be thinking as to why so limited we are. For yrs I saw > this on > > > lists, everytime hiding behind Parasaras back, I learnt this n > had to > > > relearn it when I was rudely told once by a traditionalist to > open up my > > > mind and not get into flashing names for the sake of scholarly > debate. I > > > have yet to unlearn what the attitude that I learnt from Confused > > > debates on Lists for yrs > > > > > > 8. There are so many things that Parasara mentioned and still > > > astrologers refuse to use, argala etc etc > > > > > > 9. When energy level and spiritual level is pure n raised to > higher > > > levels, Masters communicate and teach secrets, I need not say > such > > > things since this is common knowledge, prime example is the > legend Late > > > Shri Narendra Desai who is said to be the finest astrologer to > set foot > > > in America & whom Sages used to communicate. He was student of > Guruji > > > C.S. Patel and learnt only ChandraKala Nadi from him but > traveled length > > > and breadth of india to learn many things. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 Dear Sunil, You are free to interpret what I said. Could show me the difference between "I said even Parashara did not say ..." that I wrote in the mail to which you are responding and "I have not seen even Parashara saying that." that you yourself say I wrote? I would also like other members to kindly enlighten me on the difference between the two sentences or the way they are constructed. With my limited mastery of the English language, I fail to see the difference. By the way, I began my studies in astrology through reading books of B. V. Raman and his grand father B. Suryanarain Rao, Ganaka Bhaskara Nawathe, Varaha Mihira and many others whose books are rarely available in print these days, and not with B. P. H. S.. My father allowed me to read B. P. H. S. Phaladeepika and jataka Parijata only after he was sure I had matured enough. Chandrashekhar. suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > Perhaps u should read ur own words carefully. > > I was sparing in not interpretating ur statement to its right intensity > > U wrote > > "I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition for > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. > > The key word is EVEN PARASHARA that u have used. > > Ø Does it mean we have all the statements/books ever issued by > PARASARA & other sages. The other sages word I used states the "Even > Parasara > > Ø We do not even have Correct translation of whatever available > work of Parasara and other sages, so what when we imply that Parasara > and other sages did not say it is MOST misleading > > Ø We can't even translate One word correctly of > Mantrashewara what are we talking about Parasara. The word is > "Lagnedorapi" . In this word there are differences of opinion and no > consensus so how can we say this is what Mantreshwara said or NOT said. > We can use those sentences at all as it misleads kids on lists & their > thinking becomes limited. I shall do separate post on it. > > Ø So if even from existing literature we can interpret properly > then what about with the literature Not Available. > > Ø I request u to Pls do not repeatedly twist my words "I do > not shun Classics" . I said to understand them its takes a LOT, and > for me I need to be at a different level to understand the subtle > meaning. There is so much interpolation in the shlokas then how we would > understand what was really said > > Ø U have many a times said that interpolation must be kept in > mind, so how do we know what the sages said and how can be so certain > this is what was said > > Ø One should only read some of B V Ramans books and one can see > how much literature is NOT available or even looking at the > bibiliography of Patels books we can see what we do not have. So let us > not make those statements Parasara said this or even parasara said this > in the humble name of Honest Astrology. > > * Why should we use the names of the sages to defend our own ideas > when we do not know what they REALLY said. When we do not even have full > translations or even texts of all books including Jaimini Sutras. > > Ø > > It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same breath > say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from many > classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his foot in > America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on whether he > visits U.S.A., escapes me). > > Ø It was just a statement that he is called (in print ACVA mag) > the greatest astrologer to set foot, pls lets apply some commonsense n > not fighting sense as to what I meant , since no one here knows who > Narendra Desai was, those who know prefer to keep quiet I guess. It was > written in the context of that he used to be communicated by the Sages & > he had read many such texts which none of us would be ever fortunate to > get our hands on. The vibrations reqd for such are very different > > Regards, > > Sunil John > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > Perhaps you should read my mails carefully. I did not say that only > > Parashara is to be adhered to. I said even Parashara did not say .... > > There is a great deal of difference between the two. Please do not > > accuse me of flashing any body's name in vain. > > > > It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same > breath > > say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from many > > classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his foot in > > America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on whether he > > visits U.S.A., escapes me). > > > > By the way talking of flashing names which do you think more > obnoxious, > > Parashara whose texts can be verified or Secret Paramparas that can > > never be verified? > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition > for > > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. > But > > > > then there may be some texts that say that as you imply. > > > > > > 1. I am aware that everyone is not aware of everything, since ones > > > experience is limited & depends on who ones teacher has been. Sun > shines > > > on all astrologers but few become capable to help, rest become > capable > > > to misguide young students > > > > > > 2. Precondition is one thing, who said it is a precondition. It was > > > my own condition for myself as I do not want to land up being one of > the > > > internet scholars who can only flash shlokas & poorest researchers & > > > more poor predictors but Great Gurus who display compassion, > modesty, > > > humility externally but when their views are not agreed upon lose > all > > > their modesty, humility and compassion, ofcourse Gandhi is long dead > I > > > forgot. > > > > > > 3. Parasara did not say many things. If he said it all then we > > > wouldn't have had ANY OTHER BOOK on astrology after him. > > > > > > 4. Did other writers contradict him, if so why, if by doing so did > > > they commit a sin? These are question one can think about > > > > > > 5. If they contradicted Parasara then should we read their books, > > > if by doing so are we being disloyal to Parasara, if so why do we > read > > > their books then. > > > > > > 6. Then all the dasas, Chakras which are not mentioned in Parasara > > > should be termed Blasphemy. > > > > > > 7. I fail to grasp why we flash Parasara's name everytime. Even > > > he must be thinking as to why so limited we are. For yrs I saw this > on > > > lists, everytime hiding behind Parasaras back, I learnt this n had > to > > > relearn it when I was rudely told once by a traditionalist to open > up my > > > mind and not get into flashing names for the sake of scholarly > debate. I > > > have yet to unlearn what the attitude that I learnt from Confused > > > debates on Lists for yrs > > > > > > 8. There are so many things that Parasara mentioned and still > > > astrologers refuse to use, argala etc etc > > > > > > 9. When energy level and spiritual level is pure n raised to higher > > > levels, Masters communicate and teach secrets, I need not say such > > > things since this is common knowledge, prime example is the legend > Late > > > Shri Narendra Desai who is said to be the finest astrologer to set > foot > > > in America & whom Sages used to communicate. He was student of > Guruji > > > C.S. Patel and learnt only ChandraKala Nadi from him but traveled > length > > > and breadth of india to learn many things. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 ||Om Datta Guru|| Dear Lakshmiji, U are a sweet person, in all these yrs I haven't seen u outspoke or even arguing with others. Due to shortage of time now I only thread my threads (am sorry). But my mail was directed at Chandrashekharjis mail to me & also of seeing for yrs on lists everyone use Parasara's name as if we know his mind in & out. Regards, Sunil John , "b_lakshmi_ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Sunil, > > Namaste. > > If i may intervene, it was all along me, who was harping on > Parashara and not Chandrasekhar ji. He was always arguing in favour > of other authors too. So, perhaps your words need to be more > directed at me, and not at him:--)) > > I agree that the integrity of what we now consider as Parashara's > words may be questionable, there can be multiple > interpolations/deletions etc. But what's wrong if we try to > understand astrology through whatever is available as Parashara's > work? We may succeed or not succeed in decoding the Rishi's riddles, > but we can at least try. > > If we set our sights on Parashara, then perhaps after many years of > sustained effort, we may at least end up understanding > Mantrswara:--))So, no loss!! > > My apologies if this mail is uncalled for, but I thought I must set > the record straight. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > , "suniljohn_2002" > suniljohn_2002@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > Perhaps u should read ur own words carefully. > > > > I was sparing in not interpretating ur statement to its right > intensity > > > > U wrote > > > > "I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition > for > > > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. > > > > > > > > The key word is EVEN PARASHARA that u have used. > > > > Ø Does it mean we have all the statements/books ever issued > by > > PARASARA & other sages. The other sages word I used states > the "Even > > Parasara > > > > Ø We do not even have Correct translation of whatever > available > > work of Parasara and other sages, so what when we imply that > Parasara > > and other sages did not say it is MOST misleading > > > > Ø We can't even translate One word correctly of > > Mantrashewara what are we talking about Parasara. The word is > > "Lagnedorapi" . In this word there are differences of opinion and > no > > consensus so how can we say this is what Mantreshwara said or NOT > said. > > We can use those sentences at all as it misleads kids on lists & > their > > thinking becomes limited. I shall do separate post on it. > > > > Ø So if even from existing literature we can interpret > properly > > then what about with the literature Not Available. > > > > Ø I request u to Pls do not repeatedly twist my words "I do > > not shun Classics" . I said to understand them its takes a LOT, and > > for me I need to be at a different level to understand the subtle > > meaning. There is so much interpolation in the shlokas then how we > would > > understand what was really said > > > > Ø U have many a times said that interpolation must be kept in > > mind, so how do we know what the sages said and how can be so > certain > > this is what was said > > > > Ø One should only read some of B V Ramans books and one can > see > > how much literature is NOT available or even looking at the > > bibiliography of Patels books we can see what we do not have. So > let us > > not make those statements Parasara said this or even parasara said > this > > in the humble name of Honest Astrology. > > > > * Why should we use the names of the sages to defend our own > ideas > > when we do not know what they REALLY said. When we do not even > have full > > translations or even texts of all books including Jaimini Sutras. > > > > Ø > > > > It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same > breath > > say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from > many > > classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his foot > in > > America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on whether > he > > visits U.S.A., escapes me). > > > > > > > > Ø It was just a statement that he is called (in print ACVA > mag) > > the greatest astrologer to set foot, pls lets apply some > commonsense n > > not fighting sense as to what I meant , since no one here knows who > > Narendra Desai was, those who know prefer to keep quiet I guess. > It was > > written in the context of that he used to be communicated by the > Sages & > > he had read many such texts which none of us would be ever > fortunate to > > get our hands on. The vibrations reqd for such are very different > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > Perhaps you should read my mails carefully. I did not say that > only > > > Parashara is to be adhered to. I said even Parashara did not > say .... > > > There is a great deal of difference between the two. Please do > not > > > accuse me of flashing any body's name in vain. > > > > > > It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same > > breath > > > say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from > many > > > classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his > foot in > > > America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on > whether he > > > visits U.S.A., escapes me). > > > > > > By the way talking of flashing names which do you think more > > obnoxious, > > > Parashara whose texts can be verified or Secret Paramparas that > can > > > never be verified? > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > > > I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a > precondition > > for > > > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying > that. > > But > > > > > then there may be some texts that say that as you imply. > > > > > > > > 1. I am aware that everyone is not aware of everything, since > ones > > > > experience is limited & depends on who ones teacher has been. > Sun > > shines > > > > on all astrologers but few become capable to help, rest become > > capable > > > > to misguide young students > > > > > > > > 2. Precondition is one thing, who said it is a precondition. > It was > > > > my own condition for myself as I do not want to land up being > one of > > the > > > > internet scholars who can only flash shlokas & poorest > researchers & > > > > more poor predictors but Great Gurus who display compassion, > > modesty, > > > > humility externally but when their views are not agreed upon > lose > > all > > > > their modesty, humility and compassion, ofcourse Gandhi is > long dead > > I > > > > forgot. > > > > > > > > 3. Parasara did not say many things. If he said it all then we > > > > wouldn't have had ANY OTHER BOOK on astrology after him. > > > > > > > > 4. Did other writers contradict him, if so why, if by doing so > did > > > > they commit a sin? These are question one can think about > > > > > > > > 5. If they contradicted Parasara then should we read their > books, > > > > if by doing so are we being disloyal to Parasara, if so why do > we > > read > > > > their books then. > > > > > > > > 6. Then all the dasas, Chakras which are not mentioned in > Parasara > > > > should be termed Blasphemy. > > > > > > > > 7. I fail to grasp why we flash Parasara's name everytime. Even > > > > he must be thinking as to why so limited we are. For yrs I saw > this > > on > > > > lists, everytime hiding behind Parasaras back, I learnt this n > had > > to > > > > relearn it when I was rudely told once by a traditionalist to > open > > up my > > > > mind and not get into flashing names for the sake of scholarly > > debate. I > > > > have yet to unlearn what the attitude that I learnt from > Confused > > > > debates on Lists for yrs > > > > > > > > 8. There are so many things that Parasara mentioned and still > > > > astrologers refuse to use, argala etc etc > > > > > > > > 9. When energy level and spiritual level is pure n raised to > higher > > > > levels, Masters communicate and teach secrets, I need not say > such > > > > things since this is common knowledge, prime example is the > legend > > Late > > > > Shri Narendra Desai who is said to be the finest astrologer to > set > > foot > > > > in America & whom Sages used to communicate. He was student of > > Guruji > > > > C.S. Patel and learnt only ChandraKala Nadi from him but > traveled > > length > > > > and breadth of india to learn many things. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sunil, Namaste. Ofcourse, I do argue with people, but I generally end up becoming better friends with them, after the arguments!! You are already a dear friend, so i hope this li'l dialogue only improves our friendship further:--)) Regards, Lakshmi , "suniljohn_2002" <suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > Dear Lakshmiji, > > U are a sweet person, in all these yrs I haven't seen u outspoke or even > arguing with others. > > > > Due to shortage of time now I only thread my threads (am sorry). But my > mail was directed at Chandrashekharjis mail to me & also of seeing for > yrs on lists everyone use Parasara's name as if we know his mind in & > out. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil John > > , "b_lakshmi_ramesh" > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > Namaste. > > > > If i may intervene, it was all along me, who was harping on > > Parashara and not Chandrasekhar ji. He was always arguing in favour > > of other authors too. So, perhaps your words need to be more > > directed at me, and not at him:--)) > > > > I agree that the integrity of what we now consider as Parashara's > > words may be questionable, there can be multiple > > interpolations/deletions etc. But what's wrong if we try to > > understand astrology through whatever is available as Parashara's > > work? We may succeed or not succeed in decoding the Rishi's riddles, > > but we can at least try. > > > > If we set our sights on Parashara, then perhaps after many years of > > sustained effort, we may at least end up understanding > > Mantrswara:--))So, no loss!! > > > > My apologies if this mail is uncalled for, but I thought I must set > > the record straight. > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002" > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > Perhaps u should read ur own words carefully. > > > > > > I was sparing in not interpretating ur statement to its right > > intensity > > > > > > U wrote > > > > > > "I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a precondition > > for > > > > > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying that. > > > > > > > > > > > > The key word is EVEN PARASHARA that u have used. > > > > > > Ø Does it mean we have all the statements/books ever issued > > by > > > PARASARA & other sages. The other sages word I used states > > the "Even > > > Parasara > > > > > > Ø We do not even have Correct translation of whatever > > available > > > work of Parasara and other sages, so what when we imply that > > Parasara > > > and other sages did not say it is MOST misleading > > > > > > Ø We can't even translate One word correctly of > > > Mantrashewara what are we talking about Parasara. The word is > > > "Lagnedorapi" . In this word there are differences of opinion and > > no > > > consensus so how can we say this is what Mantreshwara said or NOT > > said. > > > We can use those sentences at all as it misleads kids on lists & > > their > > > thinking becomes limited. I shall do separate post on it. > > > > > > Ø So if even from existing literature we can interpret > > properly > > > then what about with the literature Not Available. > > > > > > Ø I request u to Pls do not repeatedly twist my words "I do > > > not shun Classics" . I said to understand them its takes a LOT, and > > > for me I need to be at a different level to understand the subtle > > > meaning. There is so much interpolation in the shlokas then how we > > would > > > understand what was really said > > > > > > Ø U have many a times said that interpolation must be kept in > > > mind, so how do we know what the sages said and how can be so > > certain > > > this is what was said > > > > > > Ø One should only read some of B V Ramans books and one can > > see > > > how much literature is NOT available or even looking at the > > > bibiliography of Patels books we can see what we do not have. So > > let us > > > not make those statements Parasara said this or even parasara said > > this > > > in the humble name of Honest Astrology. > > > > > > * Why should we use the names of the sages to defend our own > > ideas > > > when we do not know what they REALLY said. When we do not even > > have full > > > translations or even texts of all books including Jaimini Sutras. > > > > > > Ø > > > > > > It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same > > breath > > > say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from > > many > > > classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his foot > > in > > > America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on whether > > he > > > visits U.S.A., escapes me). > > > > > > > > > > > > Ø It was just a statement that he is called (in print ACVA > > mag) > > > the greatest astrologer to set foot, pls lets apply some > > commonsense n > > > not fighting sense as to what I meant , since no one here knows who > > > Narendra Desai was, those who know prefer to keep quiet I guess. > > It was > > > written in the context of that he used to be communicated by the > > Sages & > > > he had read many such texts which none of us would be ever > > fortunate to > > > get our hands on. The vibrations reqd for such are very different > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > Perhaps you should read my mails carefully. I did not say that > > only > > > > Parashara is to be adhered to. I said even Parashara did not > > say .... > > > > There is a great deal of difference between the two. Please do > > not > > > > accuse me of flashing any body's name in vain. > > > > > > > > It is strange that you claim to shun the classics and in the same > > > breath > > > > say that Narendra Desai a disciple of C. S. Patel, who drew from > > many > > > > classics for his books was the greatest astrologer to put his > > foot in > > > > America (though why greatness of an astrologer depends on > > whether he > > > > visits U.S.A., escapes me). > > > > > > > > By the way talking of flashing names which do you think more > > > obnoxious, > > > > Parashara whose texts can be verified or Secret Paramparas that > > can > > > > never be verified? > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Om Datta Guru|| > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > I am not aware that being spiritually capable is a > > precondition > > > for > > > > > > reading classic texts. I have not seen even Parashara saying > > that. > > > But > > > > > > then there may be some texts that say that as you imply. > > > > > > > > > > 1. I am aware that everyone is not aware of everything, since > > ones > > > > > experience is limited & depends on who ones teacher has been. > > Sun > > > shines > > > > > on all astrologers but few become capable to help, rest become > > > capable > > > > > to misguide young students > > > > > > > > > > 2. Precondition is one thing, who said it is a precondition. > > It was > > > > > my own condition for myself as I do not want to land up being > > one of > > > the > > > > > internet scholars who can only flash shlokas & poorest > > researchers & > > > > > more poor predictors but Great Gurus who display compassion, > > > modesty, > > > > > humility externally but when their views are not agreed upon > > lose > > > all > > > > > their modesty, humility and compassion, ofcourse Gandhi is > > long dead > > > I > > > > > forgot. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Parasara did not say many things. If he said it all then we > > > > > wouldn't have had ANY OTHER BOOK on astrology after him. > > > > > > > > > > 4. Did other writers contradict him, if so why, if by doing so > > did > > > > > they commit a sin? These are question one can think about > > > > > > > > > > 5. If they contradicted Parasara then should we read their > > books, > > > > > if by doing so are we being disloyal to Parasara, if so why do > > we > > > read > > > > > their books then. > > > > > > > > > > 6. Then all the dasas, Chakras which are not mentioned in > > Parasara > > > > > should be termed Blasphemy. > > > > > > > > > > 7. I fail to grasp why we flash Parasara's name everytime. Even > > > > > he must be thinking as to why so limited we are. For yrs I saw > > this > > > on > > > > > lists, everytime hiding behind Parasaras back, I learnt this n > > had > > > to > > > > > relearn it when I was rudely told once by a traditionalist to > > open > > > up my > > > > > mind and not get into flashing names for the sake of scholarly > > > debate. I > > > > > have yet to unlearn what the attitude that I learnt from > > Confused > > > > > debates on Lists for yrs > > > > > > > > > > 8. There are so many things that Parasara mentioned and still > > > > > astrologers refuse to use, argala etc etc > > > > > > > > > > 9. When energy level and spiritual level is pure n raised to > > higher > > > > > levels, Masters communicate and teach secrets, I need not say > > such > > > > > things since this is common knowledge, prime example is the > > legend > > > Late > > > > > Shri Narendra Desai who is said to be the finest astrologer to > > set > > > foot > > > > > in America & whom Sages used to communicate. He was student of > > > Guruji > > > > > C.S. Patel and learnt only ChandraKala Nadi from him but > > traveled > > > length > > > > > and breadth of india to learn many things. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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