Sagi Lagna - Chart 1 - Criminal/What about other charts/US Data

[Guest guest]

||Om Datta Guru||

 

 

 

Dear Pradeep,

 

Yes it is different data and I had quoted from Kala Softwares Built In

Database, did you or Chandrashekhar check other charts that I sent in

from AstroData Bank, which I presume is reliable since it has Rodden's

Ratings.

 

 

 

I didn't see any comments from you and Chandrashekhar or anyone re the

other charts or did I miss those mails.

 

 

 

If Spirit of Astrology for finding the truth is still alive then some

charts from personal database can be given.

 

 

 

And if we take the websites provided by Chadrashekhar as correct (which

need not be wrong) then we must have two contradictory statements one of

his and other of KNR

 

In mail

 

/message/11686

 

 

"No matter what each of these men did after July 1776, the

actual signing of the Declaration of Independence which began on August

2 ensured them instant immortality."

 

 

 

In Contrast

 

http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/USA%20Declining%20years.htm

<http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/USA%20Declining%20years.htm>

 

 

 

1) There is no doubt in my mind that the date chosen,4 July 1776, is

what all historians of USA accept as being correct.

 

2) USA celebrates 4 July every year as her day of independence with

which we have been familiar.

 

3) Majority of western astrologers have used different horoscopes of 4

July but with different time.

 

 

 

[sunil]: Now we must think why historians of USA & KN Rao website & Raos

view that 4th July 1776 as being correct vs the data supplied by

Chandrashekhar from that site

 

 

 

Revisiting Pramod Mahajan

 

I lost faith in Wikepedia in the Pramod Mahajan case, the year of his

birth stated 1949 if i remember well & also Chandrashekhar was insisted

it was 1949. I was confident of Sanjays data due to personal information

I had & also 2 members of this list had direct info on his birth

details, Kishore & Sreeram. (there is another twist to this ) I remember

so much of halla hu was created that it should be 1949, and when KNRaos

prediction and data was given here by a member, the previous debate was

conveniently forgotten. Well I forgot to say that after that I was told

to rely carefully on internet data like Wikepedia since it is written by

common people & not historians but then the website quoted by

Chandrashekhar might be an official site, I didn't have the time to go

through the link.

 

 

 

well going into long mail even Data of Christs birth is contradictory

some quote Edgar Cayce saying it as Apr 17th or 16th, a decade back my

interaction with some spiritualists had said Apr 17th which I couldn't

beleive as to how the whole world is taking it as 24/25th Dec then

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Sunil John

 

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> This verification of data and information has helped us all.Dear Sunil

> Kindly take a look.

>

> Pradeep

> , Chandrashekhar

> chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> > Here is what is said on the site

> > http://www.aboutbillythekid.com/early_life.htm

> >

> > "William Henry Bonney or "Billy the Kid," as he is commonly known,

left

> > no record of his place of birth and date. Pat Garrett and Ash Upson,

> who

> > wrote the biography, /The Authentic Life of Billy the Kid, the Noted

> > Desperado of the Southwest, whose Deeds of Daring and Blood Have

Made

> > His Name a Terror/ /in New Mexico, Arizona and Northern Mexico, /

came

> > up with November 23, 1859, in New York City. This information for

years

> > had been accepted as the actual birth record of Billy the Kid, but

> today

> > it's highly questionable as being legitimate. Aside from no record

to

> > prove this date accurate, the date November 23^ happens to be Ash

> > Upson's birth date. Did he happen to remember the Kid's birthday

> because

> > it was the same as his or was it because he needed a date to

complete

> > his biography, so he chose November 23 as a sort of tribute to

himself?

> >

> > As for the year 1859, the Kid's childhood friends in Silver City

> claimed

> > he was about twelve in 1873, while his friends George and Frank Coe,

> > said he was about seventeen during the Lincoln County War in the

early

> > year of 1878, and Lily Casey, a Lincoln county resident, would say

when

> > she encountered the Kid in early November of 1877, he was barely

> > sixteen. This indicates he may have been born in 1860-61, making his

> age

> > of death nineteen or twenty. In /The Authentic Life of Billy the

Kid/,

> > the year 1859 may have been used to make the Kid twenty-one years

> old at

> > the time of his death, so when Garrett killed the Kid, it would

sound

> > better to have him kill a man of twenty-one than possibly a youth

still

> > in his teens."

> >

> > I am sure you can draw your own conclusions.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > Sunil John wrote:

> > >

> > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > Namaskar

> > >

> > > The chart is not of a serial killer but a criminal is what is

called

> > > in the database - these days i guess there are different meanings

for

> > > both which i do not know.

> > > His birth details are

> > > Billy the Kid

> > > 23rd Nov 1859

> > > 09:30

> > > New York, NY

> > > Source: Kala

> > > Time Zone:04:56:00.00

> > > 40N42'51

> > > 074W00'23

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_the_kid

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_the_kid>

> > >

> > > If one has Astrodata bank one can find many charts of Sagi Lagna,

yrs

> > > back a gentleman from this list having id Primus Jyotishi

> > > primusjyotishi@ <primusjyotishi%40.ca>>, & no

> > > name had told me that if i want to progress in this science I need

to

> > > have Astrodata bank software but I do not have it & nor have been

> able

> > > to procure it. This is a big handicap for me & for serious

> astrologers

> > > where shlokas will real meaning will come out I guess. This primus

> > > Jyotishi was quite controversial on this list and booed by some

but I

> > > guess he had some substance in his talks if i remember him well.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and

> 30+

> > > countries) for 2¢/min or less.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil

 

After reading all your mails,i feel there is a confusion here as we

are discussing nature of dhanu and not dhanulagna charts.Human

beings are ordinary and hence modification factors have to be

applied,though nature/definition of dhanu rashi remains the

same .Every Rashi is important as they represent various faculties

of the system.Thanks for the charts and will study them at leisure.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> ||Om Datta Guru||

>

>

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> Yes it is different data and I had quoted from Kala Softwares

Built In

> Database, did you or Chandrashekhar check other charts that I sent

in

> from AstroData Bank, which I presume is reliable since it has

Rodden's

> Ratings.

>

>

>

> I didn't see any comments from you and Chandrashekhar or anyone re

the

> other charts or did I miss those mails.

>

>

>

> If Spirit of Astrology for finding the truth is still alive then

some

> charts from personal database can be given.

>

>

>

> And if we take the websites provided by Chadrashekhar as correct

(which

> need not be wrong) then we must have two contradictory statements

one of

> his and other of KNR

>

> In mail

>

> /message/11686

>

>

> "No matter what each of these men did after July 1776, the

> actual signing of the Declaration of Independence which began on

August

> 2 ensured them instant immortality."

>

>

>

> In Contrast

>

> http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/USA%20Declining%

20years.htm

> <http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/USA%20Declining%

20years.htm>

>

>

>

> 1) There is no doubt in my mind that the date chosen,4 July 1776,

is

> what all historians of USA accept as being correct.

>

> 2) USA celebrates 4 July every year as her day of independence with

> which we have been familiar.

>

> 3) Majority of western astrologers have used different horoscopes

of 4

> July but with different time.

>

>

>

> [sunil]: Now we must think why historians of USA & KN Rao website

& Raos

> view that 4th July 1776 as being correct vs the data supplied by

> Chandrashekhar from that site

>

>

>

> Revisiting Pramod Mahajan

>

> I lost faith in Wikepedia in the Pramod Mahajan case, the year of

his

> birth stated 1949 if i remember well & also Chandrashekhar was

insisted

> it was 1949. I was confident of Sanjays data due to personal

information

> I had & also 2 members of this list had direct info on his birth

> details, Kishore & Sreeram. (there is another twist to this ) I

remember

> so much of halla hu was created that it should be 1949, and when

KNRaos

> prediction and data was given here by a member, the previous

debate was

> conveniently forgotten. Well I forgot to say that after that I was

told

> to rely carefully on internet data like Wikepedia since it is

written by

> common people & not historians but then the website quoted by

> Chandrashekhar might be an official site, I didn't have the time

to go

> through the link.

>

>

>

> well going into long mail even Data of Christs birth is

contradictory

> some quote Edgar Cayce saying it as Apr 17th or 16th, a decade

back my

> interaction with some spiritualists had said Apr 17th which I

couldn't

> beleive as to how the whole world is taking it as 24/25th Dec then

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> Sunil John

>

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > This verification of data and information has helped us all.Dear

Sunil

> > Kindly take a look.

> >

> > Pradeep

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > Here is what is said on the site

> > > http://www.aboutbillythekid.com/early_life.htm

> > >

> > > "William Henry Bonney or "Billy the Kid," as he is commonly

known,

> left

> > > no record of his place of birth and date. Pat Garrett and Ash

Upson,

> > who

> > > wrote the biography, /The Authentic Life of Billy the Kid, the

Noted

> > > Desperado of the Southwest, whose Deeds of Daring and Blood

Have

> Made

> > > His Name a Terror/ /in New Mexico, Arizona and Northern

Mexico, /

> came

> > > up with November 23, 1859, in New York City. This information

for

> years

> > > had been accepted as the actual birth record of Billy the Kid,

but

> > today

> > > it's highly questionable as being legitimate. Aside from no

record

> to

> > > prove this date accurate, the date November 23^ happens to be

Ash

> > > Upson's birth date. Did he happen to remember the Kid's

birthday

> > because

> > > it was the same as his or was it because he needed a date to

> complete

> > > his biography, so he chose November 23 as a sort of tribute to

> himself?

> > >

> > > As for the year 1859, the Kid's childhood friends in Silver

City

> > claimed

> > > he was about twelve in 1873, while his friends George and

Frank Coe,

> > > said he was about seventeen during the Lincoln County War in

the

> early

> > > year of 1878, and Lily Casey, a Lincoln county resident, would

say

> when

> > > she encountered the Kid in early November of 1877, he was

barely

> > > sixteen. This indicates he may have been born in 1860-61,

making his

> > age

> > > of death nineteen or twenty. In /The Authentic Life of Billy

the

> Kid/,

> > > the year 1859 may have been used to make the Kid twenty-one

years

> > old at

> > > the time of his death, so when Garrett killed the Kid, it would

> sound

> > > better to have him kill a man of twenty-one than possibly a

youth

> still

> > > in his teens."

> > >

> > > I am sure you can draw your own conclusions.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > Sunil John wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > The chart is not of a serial killer but a criminal is what is

> called

> > > > in the database - these days i guess there are different

meanings

> for

> > > > both which i do not know.

> > > > His birth details are

> > > > Billy the Kid

> > > > 23rd Nov 1859

> > > > 09:30

> > > > New York, NY

> > > > Source: Kala

> > > > Time Zone:04:56:00.00

> > > > 40N42'51

> > > > 074W00'23

> > > >

> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_the_kid

> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_the_kid>

> > > >

> > > > If one has Astrodata bank one can find many charts of Sagi

Lagna,

> yrs

> > > > back a gentleman from this list having id Primus Jyotishi

> > > > primusjyotishi@ <primusjyotishi%40.ca>>, & no

> > > > name had told me that if i want to progress in this science

I need

> to

> > > > have Astrodata bank software but I do not have it & nor have

been

> > able

> > > > to procure it. This is a big handicap for me & for serious

> > astrologers

> > > > where shlokas will real meaning will come out I guess. This

primus

> > > > Jyotishi was quite controversial on this list and booed by

some

> but I

> > > > guess he had some substance in his talks if i remember him

well.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the

US (and

> > 30+

> > > > countries) for 2¢/min or less.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

||Om Datta Guru||

 

 

 

Dear Pradeep

 

U are welcome re the charts, shall post one more interesting one.

 

I was earlier talking of only Dhanu Rasi without any other factors, but

later it got More side tracked to Dhanu Lagna esp when Chandrashekhar

said that Vivekananda is Dhanu lagna and was not called a Racist.

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Sunil John

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil

>

> After reading all your mails,i feel there is a confusion here as we

> are discussing nature of dhanu and not dhanulagna charts.Human

> beings are ordinary and hence modification factors have to be

> applied,though nature/definition of dhanu rashi remains the

> same .Every Rashi is important as they represent various faculties

> of the system.Thanks for the charts and will study them at leisure.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > ||Om Datta Guru||

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > Yes it is different data and I had quoted from Kala Softwares

> Built In

> > Database, did you or Chandrashekhar check other charts that I sent

> in

> > from AstroData Bank, which I presume is reliable since it has

> Rodden's

> > Ratings.

> >

> >

> >

> > I didn't see any comments from you and Chandrashekhar or anyone re

> the

> > other charts or did I miss those mails.

> >

> >

> >

> > If Spirit of Astrology for finding the truth is still alive then

> some

> > charts from personal database can be given.

> >

> >

> >

> > And if we take the websites provided by Chadrashekhar as correct

> (which

> > need not be wrong) then we must have two contradictory statements

> one of

> > his and other of KNR

> >

> > In mail

> >

> > /message/11686

> >

> >

> > "No matter what each of these men did after July 1776, the

> > actual signing of the Declaration of Independence which began on

> August

> > 2 ensured them instant immortality."

> >

> >

> >

> > In Contrast

> >

> > http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/USA%20Declining%

> 20years.htm

> > <http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/USA%20Declining%

> 20years.htm>

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) There is no doubt in my mind that the date chosen,4 July 1776,

> is

> > what all historians of USA accept as being correct.

> >

> > 2) USA celebrates 4 July every year as her day of independence with

> > which we have been familiar.

> >

> > 3) Majority of western astrologers have used different horoscopes

> of 4

> > July but with different time.

> >

> >

> >

> > [sunil]: Now we must think why historians of USA & KN Rao website

> & Raos

> > view that 4th July 1776 as being correct vs the data supplied by

> > Chandrashekhar from that site

> >

> >

> >

> > Revisiting Pramod Mahajan

> >

> > I lost faith in Wikepedia in the Pramod Mahajan case, the year of

> his

> > birth stated 1949 if i remember well & also Chandrashekhar was

> insisted

> > it was 1949. I was confident of Sanjays data due to personal

> information

> > I had & also 2 members of this list had direct info on his birth

> > details, Kishore & Sreeram. (there is another twist to this ) I

> remember

> > so much of halla hu was created that it should be 1949, and when

> KNRaos

> > prediction and data was given here by a member, the previous

> debate was

> > conveniently forgotten. Well I forgot to say that after that I was

> told

> > to rely carefully on internet data like Wikepedia since it is

> written by

> > common people & not historians but then the website quoted by

> > Chandrashekhar might be an official site, I didn't have the time

> to go

> > through the link.

> >

> >

> >

> > well going into long mail even Data of Christs birth is

> contradictory

> > some quote Edgar Cayce saying it as Apr 17th or 16th, a decade

> back my

> > interaction with some spiritualists had said Apr 17th which I

> couldn't

> > beleive as to how the whole world is taking it as 24/25th Dec then

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > This verification of data and information has helped us all.Dear

> Sunil

> > > Kindly take a look.

> > >

> > > Pradeep

> > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > Here is what is said on the site

> > > > http://www.aboutbillythekid.com/early_life.htm

> > > >

> > > > "William Henry Bonney or "Billy the Kid," as he is commonly

> known,

> > left

> > > > no record of his place of birth and date. Pat Garrett and Ash

> Upson,

> > > who

> > > > wrote the biography, /The Authentic Life of Billy the Kid, the

> Noted

> > > > Desperado of the Southwest, whose Deeds of Daring and Blood

> Have

> > Made

> > > > His Name a Terror/ /in New Mexico, Arizona and Northern

> Mexico, /

> > came

> > > > up with November 23, 1859, in New York City. This information

> for

> > years

> > > > had been accepted as the actual birth record of Billy the Kid,

> but

> > > today

> > > > it's highly questionable as being legitimate. Aside from no

> record

> > to

> > > > prove this date accurate, the date November 23^ happens to be

> Ash

> > > > Upson's birth date. Did he happen to remember the Kid's

> birthday

> > > because

> > > > it was the same as his or was it because he needed a date to

> > complete

> > > > his biography, so he chose November 23 as a sort of tribute to

> > himself?

> > > >

> > > > As for the year 1859, the Kid's childhood friends in Silver

> City

> > > claimed

> > > > he was about twelve in 1873, while his friends George and

> Frank Coe,

> > > > said he was about seventeen during the Lincoln County War in

> the

> > early

> > > > year of 1878, and Lily Casey, a Lincoln county resident, would

> say

> > when

> > > > she encountered the Kid in early November of 1877, he was

> barely

> > > > sixteen. This indicates he may have been born in 1860-61,

> making his

> > > age

> > > > of death nineteen or twenty. In /The Authentic Life of Billy

> the

> > Kid/,

> > > > the year 1859 may have been used to make the Kid twenty-one

> years

> > > old at

> > > > the time of his death, so when Garrett killed the Kid, it would

> > sound

> > > > better to have him kill a man of twenty-one than possibly a

> youth

> > still

> > > > in his teens."

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you can draw your own conclusions.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > Sunil John wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Om Datta Guru||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > The chart is not of a serial killer but a criminal is what is

> > called

> > > > > in the database - these days i guess there are different

> meanings

> > for

> > > > > both which i do not know.

> > > > > His birth details are

> > > > > Billy the Kid

> > > > > 23rd Nov 1859

> > > > > 09:30

> > > > > New York, NY

> > > > > Source: Kala

> > > > > Time Zone:04:56:00.00

> > > > > 40N42'51

> > > > > 074W00'23

> > > > >

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_the_kid

> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_the_kid>

> > > > >

> > > > > If one has Astrodata bank one can find many charts of Sagi

> Lagna,

> > yrs

> > > > > back a gentleman from this list having id Primus Jyotishi

> > > > > primusjyotishi@ <primusjyotishi%40.ca>>, & no

> > > > > name had told me that if i want to progress in this science

> I need

> > to

> > > > > have Astrodata bank software but I do not have it & nor have

> been

> > > able

> > > > > to procure it. This is a big handicap for me & for serious

> > > astrologers

> > > > > where shlokas will real meaning will come out I guess. This

> primus

> > > > > Jyotishi was quite controversial on this list and booed by

> some

> > but I

> > > > > guess he had some substance in his talks if i remember him

> well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the

> US (and

> > > 30+

> > > > > countries) for 2¢/min or less.

> > > > >

> > > > >