Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 I have had my chart read several times. Each time the jyotishi rectified the birth time, and each time the time rectification was different. Why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Hi this is because all of the astrologers use diffrent system of astrology , diffrent ayanmsa, and have diffrent views over diffrent combinations and yogas .What is required is a uniform method of calculating and predicting the horoscope. It also requires a set of combinations which should be accurate and logical and which could be applied to all the horoscope with the same ease and perfection.Then only the views and predictions on a given horoscope will match . Regards Abhishek Dhawan www.askganesha.com forall10q <forall10q > wrote: I have had my chart read several times. Each time the jyotishi rectified the birth time, and each time the time rectification was different. Why is that? How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Thank you for your reply. I am trying to understand about the need for rectification. I have birth records. I thought that would be enough. Could I expect then, in jyotish, that every new astrologer would do their own rectification? And that future results would also be different? If each astrologer comes up with different times and dates, then who is one to trust? What would be the point in prediction or forecasting if one thought that it only depended on the person doing the forecast? Thank you, Karen [] valist, abhishek dhawan <personal_astrologer wrote: > > Hi > this is because all of the astrologers use diffrent system of astrology , diffrent ayanmsa, and have diffrent views over diffrent combinations and yogas .What is required is a uniform method of calculating and predicting the horoscope. It also requires a set of combinations which should be accurate and logical and which could be applied to all the horoscope with the same ease and perfection.Then only the views and predictions on a given horoscope will match . > Regards > Abhishek Dhawan > www.askganesha.com > > > > forall10q forall10q wrote: > I have had my chart read several times. Each time the jyotishi > rectified the birth time, and each time the time rectification was > different. Why is that? > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Birth time rectification is a guessing game based on experience of the astrologer. So it is a risky thing to put ones faith in. It is best to use only sure birth times. If one doesn¹t have that, then his experience with Jyotish will be full of speculation. Those without real birth times may as well just realize that they won¹t be able to ever be sure about their chart. That¹s just the way it is. Jyotish is not necessary for life. It¹s not essential for life to know one¹s true chart. It¹s quite ok to not know in fact. It¹s an extra in life. Studying Jyotish and knowing that it is true is more important than knowing one¹s own chart. Das Goravani das (AT) goravani (DOT) com Secure online ordering of Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3) For Hindu Astrology Software and Lessons (Jyotish) Now on DVD! For Original Celtic Art Paintings http://www.goravani.com/art.html or Please use email if at all possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 yes, the reading depends entirely on the person doing the forecast anyway On 8/31/06, Das Goravani <das (AT) goravani (DOT) com> wrote: > > Birth time rectification is a guessing game based on experience of the > astrologer. > > So it is a risky thing to put ones faith in. > > It is best to use only sure birth times. > > If one doesn¹t have that, then his experience with Jyotish will be full of > speculation. > > Those without real birth times may as well just realize that they won¹t be > able to ever be sure about their chart. That¹s just the way it is. > > Jyotish is not necessary for life. It¹s not essential for life to know > one¹s true chart. It¹s quite ok to not know in fact. It¹s an extra in > life. > > Studying Jyotish and knowing that it is true is more important than knowing > one¹s own chart. Das Goravani > > das (AT) goravani (DOT) com > > > Secure online ordering of > Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3) > For Hindu Astrology Software and Lessons (Jyotish) > Now on DVD! > > > > For Original Celtic Art Paintings > http://www.goravani.com/art.html > > > > > > > > or > Please use email if at all possible > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Dear Das Goravini, Thank you so very much for providing a clear answer to my question. I have another related question. Since I have an accurate birth time from hospital records, why do you think that the Vedic astrologers that I have worked with have insisted on rectifiying my birth time in order to do my chart? Thank you, Karen [] valist, Das Goravani <> wrote: > > > Birth time rectification is a guessing game based on experience of the > astrologer. > > So it is a risky thing to put ones faith in. > > It is best to use only sure birth times. > > If one doesn¹t have that, then his experience with Jyotish will be full of > speculation. > > Those without real birth times may as well just realize that they won¹t be > able to ever be sure about their chart. That¹s just the way it is. > > Jyotish is not necessary for life. It¹s not essential for life to know > one¹s true chart. It¹s quite ok to not know in fact. It¹s an extra in > life. > > Studying Jyotish and knowing that it is true is more important than knowing > one¹s own chart. Das Goravani > > > > > Secure online ordering of > Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3) > For Hindu Astrology Software and Lessons (Jyotish) > Now on DVD! > > > > For Original Celtic Art Paintings > http://www.goravani.com/art.html > > > > > > > > or > Please use email if at all possible > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Since I have an accurate birth time from hospital records, why do you think that the Vedic astrologers that I have worked with have insisted on rectifiying my birth time in order to do my chart? I¹m not actually sure why they do that, though I know that what you say is true, that some always rectify. I think they come from certain groups of study. There are groups with the jyotish world, like the Krishnamurti group, the Jaimini group, the Systems Approach group, and so on. Perhaps one of those groups I¹m less familiar with believes that it is always necessary. Personally, I don¹t agree with them whatever their reason for doing that. I do think that very often the written hospital recorded time is correct, like mine is 4:42 AM... So why should I question that? And since the Ascendant moves so fast and is so important, why mess with it? I¹ve learned in my 46 years that humans are a variegated bunch mentally, and you cannot know for sure where anyone is really coming from, what they are thinking I mean. Myself, I¹ve programmed Jyotish into software, so I¹m very familiar with it¹s math and logic, and the universal workings. I really trust the calculations, they are quite good. I¹ve also test them, observing the celestial bodies and noted the calculations being accurate. So, I say, if you have a good birth time, go with it. What scares me most about this is that I have an ugly feeling that some astrologers do rectification to make a chart more appealing to THEMSELVES, more convenient to their reading style. Like they might THINK you look like a certain sublord, which can only be had if they tweak the time by ten minutes...like that. That kind of thing would truly be wrong to do, but like I said, humans think all kinds of different ways...and Jyotishi¹s are humans. And it¹s true what Renay said, not only does rectification rely on how good the Jyotishi is, but also the whole reading is based on good they are. I realize I didn¹t REALLY answer your question because I really don¹t know why they do that. Peace Das Goravani das (AT) goravani (DOT) com Secure online ordering of Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3) For Hindu Astrology Software and Lessons (Jyotish) Now on DVD! For Original Celtic Art Paintings http://www.goravani.com/art.html or Please use email if at all possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Dear Das and Renay, I want to thank for a very clear and truthful answer to my question about birth time rectification. I have been trying to understand my personal Vedic chart since 2001...and I have been getting more and more confused because of the rectification issue. Your answer was the first one that made sense to me because it was what I suspected. But this was the first time that someone answered so directly. I appreciate that! Thank you, Karen [] valist, "Renay Oshop" <renay.oshop wrote: > > yes, the reading depends entirely on the person doing the forecast anyway > > On 8/31/06, Das Goravani wrote: > > > > Birth time rectification is a guessing game based on experience of the > > astrologer. > > > > So it is a risky thing to put ones faith in. > > > > It is best to use only sure birth times. > > > > If one doesn¹t have that, then his experience with Jyotish will be full of > > speculation. > > > > Those without real birth times may as well just realize that they won¹t be > > able to ever be sure about their chart. That¹s just the way it is. > > > > Jyotish is not necessary for life. It¹s not essential for life to know > > one¹s true chart. It¹s quite ok to not know in fact. It¹s an extra in > > life. > > > > Studying Jyotish and knowing that it is true is more important than knowing > > one¹s own chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Das Goravani > > > > > > > > > > Secure online ordering of > > Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3) > > For Hindu Astrology Software and Lessons (Jyotish) > > Now on DVD! > > > > > > > > For Original Celtic Art Paintings > > http://www.goravani.com/art.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > Please use email if at all possible > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 Dear Karen, An astrologer's limited knowledge about horoscope interpretations can force him to resort to unnecessary time rectifications. If he is not able to correctly judge the causes of any incident from given horoscope, he will try to modify the planetary positons to the point where they fit accordingly to the limited knowledge which he has. It is done for hiding his own lack of knowledge of jyotish. Go only by your birth time which is on records. Regards, Ashutosh - forall10q valist Friday, 01 September, 2006 21:46 Re: Birth Time Rectification Question Dear Das and Renay, I want to thank for a very clear and truthful answer to my question about birth time rectification. I have been trying to understand my personal Vedic chart since 2001...and I have been getting more and more confused because of the rectification issue. Your answer was the first one that made sense to me because it was what I suspected. But this was the first time that someone answered so directly. I appreciate that! Thank you, Karen [] valist, "Renay Oshop" <renay.oshop wrote: > > yes, the reading depends entirely on the person doing the forecast anyway > > On 8/31/06, Das Goravani wrote: > > > > Birth time rectification is a guessing game based on experience of the > > astrologer. > > > > So it is a risky thing to put ones faith in. > > > > It is best to use only sure birth times. > > > > If one doesn¹t have that, then his experience with Jyotish will be full of > > speculation. > > > > Those without real birth times may as well just realize that they won¹t be > > able to ever be sure about their chart. That¹s just the way it is. > > > > Jyotish is not necessary for life. It¹s not essential for life to know > > one¹s true chart. It¹s quite ok to not know in fact. It¹s an extra in > > life. > > > > Studying Jyotish and knowing that it is true is more important than knowing > > one¹s own chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Das Goravani > > > > > > > > > > Secure online ordering of > > Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3) > > For Hindu Astrology Software and Lessons (Jyotish) > > Now on DVD! > > > > > > > > For Original Celtic Art Paintings > > http://www.goravani.com/art.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > Please use email if at all possible > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 Dear Ashutosh, Thank you for your advice. I will heed it. The problem with my recorded time centered around whether it was recorded as standard time or daylight savings time. I was born in Pennsylvania in 1946, and, though hospitals were supposed to record birth times in standard time no matter what time of the year it was, many hospitals did not. It was so long ago that no can get information as to how a particular hospital recorded the time. The records only show the time and not ST or DT. So that is how the rectification issue was started when I had my reading with Maharishi Jyotish. However, what confused me is that when they had the ST/DT issue figured out, they also changed the time itself (not the hour, just the minutes). Since then I have had a few other Vedic readings, and the first thing the astrologer wants to do is a rectification even before looking at my chart. The last astrologer's immediate comment was "I will need to do a rectification." (And he was doing the reading free, at no cost.) Though it frustrates me, I like what Rick wrote and what you said, so I will just know that from now on. By the way, my birth time is EDT so that much was determined by the rectifications to my satisfaction. And the change in minutes (a range between a half hour earlier or later depending on the astrologer)...well, I am just going to ignore that. >From now on. Thank you all, Karen [] valist, "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh wrote: > > Dear Karen, > > An astrologer's limited knowledge about horoscope interpretations can force him to resort to unnecessary time rectifications. > > If he is not able to correctly judge the causes of any incident from given horoscope, he will try to modify the planetary positons to the point where they fit accordingly to the limited knowledge which he has. > > It is done for hiding his own lack of knowledge of jyotish. > > Go only by your birth time which is on records. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 Karen, I dont know if you have heard of Yogi Karve, he is considered to be the final word in birth time rectification. He lives in India, but visits the U.S often, and someone usually posts about his upcoming visit to this list whenever that happens. My husband had met him a few years back for a reading; he gave my birthtime to the Yogi as 3.15 a.m by mistake. Yogi Karve corrected it to 3.10 a.m, which was confirmed to be true by my mother. Best Regards, Sunita. "forall10q" <forall10q > valist To: valist Subject: Re: Birth Time Rectification Question Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:20:06 -0000 > >Dear Ashutosh, > >Thank you for your advice. I will heed it. The problem with my >recorded time centered around whether it was recorded as standard time >or daylight savings time. I was born in Pennsylvania in 1946, and, >though hospitals were supposed to record birth times in standard time no >matter what time of the year it was, many hospitals did not. It was so >long ago that no can get information as to how a particular hospital >recorded the time. The records only show the time and not ST or DT. So >that is how the rectification issue was started when I had my reading >with Maharishi Jyotish. > >However, what confused me is that when they had the ST/DT issue figured >out, they also changed the time itself (not the hour, just the minutes). >Since then I have had a few other Vedic readings, and the first thing >the astrologer wants to do is a rectification even before looking at my >chart. The last astrologer's immediate comment was "I will need to do a >rectification." (And he was doing the reading free, at no cost.) > >Though it frustrates me, I like what Rick wrote and what you said, so I >will just know that from now on. By the way, my birth time is EDT so >that much was determined by the rectifications to my satisfaction. And >the change in minutes (a range between a half hour earlier or later >depending on the astrologer)...well, I am just going to ignore that. >From now on. > >Thank you all, >Karen [] >valist, "astrologerashutosh" ><astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear Karen, > > > > An astrologer's limited knowledge about horoscope interpretations can >force him to resort to unnecessary time rectifications. > > > > If he is not able to correctly judge the causes of any incident from >given horoscope, he will try to modify the planetary positons to the >point where they fit accordingly to the limited knowledge which he has. > > > > It is done for hiding his own lack of knowledge of jyotish. > > > > Go only by your birth time which is on records. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Hi sunita the birth time rectification can be done easily if the correct method is know to the astrologer .It hardly takes 25 to 30 minutes and many a times even less then this to rectify the birth time. I use a very relable method in which i take the help of the sub lord of the planets as well as the houses. The past events are matched and the horscope is corrected with the changes that are reflected in the sub lord level. Regards Abhishek Dhawan <www.askganesha.com> Sunita Menon <sunita_menon (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Karen, I dont know if you have heard of Yogi Karve, he is considered to be the final word in birth time rectification. He lives in India, but visits the U.S often, and someone usually posts about his upcoming visit to this list whenever that happens. My husband had met him a few years back for a reading; he gave my birthtime to the Yogi as 3.15 a.m by mistake. Yogi Karve corrected it to 3.10 a.m, which was confirmed to be true by my mother. Best Regards, Sunita. "forall10q" <forall10q > valist valist Re: Birth Time Rectification Question Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:20:06 -0000 > >Dear Ashutosh, > >Thank you for your advice. I will heed it. The problem with my >recorded time centered around whether it was recorded as standard time >or daylight savings time. I was born in Pennsylvania in 1946, and, >though hospitals were supposed to record birth times in standard time no >matter what time of the year it was, many hospitals did not. It was so >long ago that no can get information as to how a particular hospital >recorded the time. The records only show the time and not ST or DT. So >that is how the rectification issue was started when I had my reading >with Maharishi Jyotish. > >However, what confused me is that when they had the ST/DT issue figured >out, they also changed the time itself (not the hour, just the minutes). >Since then I have had a few other Vedic readings, and the first thing >the astrologer wants to do is a rectification even before looking at my >chart. The last astrologer's immediate comment was "I will need to do a >rectification." (And he was doing the reading free, at no cost.) > >Though it frustrates me, I like what Rick wrote and what you said, so I >will just know that from now on. By the way, my birth time is EDT so >that much was determined by the rectifications to my satisfaction. And >the change in minutes (a range between a half hour earlier or later >depending on the astrologer)...well, I am just going to ignore that. >From now on. > >Thank you all, >Karen [] >valist, "astrologerashutosh" ><astrologerashutosh wrote: > > > > Dear Karen, > > > > An astrologer's limited knowledge about horoscope interpretations can >force him to resort to unnecessary time rectifications. > > > > If he is not able to correctly judge the causes of any incident from >given horoscope, he will try to modify the planetary positons to the >point where they fit accordingly to the limited knowledge which he has. > > > > It is done for hiding his own lack of knowledge of jyotish. > > > > Go only by your birth time which is on records. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 The notion that time of birth recorded in the hospital must be correct may mislead. My daughter had a baby by cesarean operation in a modern and well-equipped hospital. Naturally many of the family members, including myself were present outside the operation theatre. I noted the time as 12:58 p.m. as soon as I heard the cry of the baby. The time of birth written in the birth certificate is, 1:10 p.m. ! Good luck. Das Goravani <das (AT) goravani (DOT) com> wrote: Since I have an accurate birth time from hospital records, why do you think that the Vedic astrologers that I have worked with have insisted on rectifiying my birth time in order to do my chart? I¹m not actually sure why they do that, though I know that what you say is true, that some always rectify. I think they come from certain groups of study. There are groups with the jyotish world, like the Krishnamurti group, the Jaimini group, the Systems Approach group, and so on. Perhaps one of those groups I¹m less familiar with believes that it is always necessary. Personally, I don¹t agree with them whatever their reason for doing that. I do think that very often the written hospital recorded time is correct, like mine is 4:42 AM... So why should I question that? And since the Ascendant moves so fast and is so important, why mess with it? I¹ve learned in my 46 years that humans are a variegated bunch mentally, and you cannot know for sure where anyone is really coming from, what they are thinking I mean. Myself, I¹ve programmed Jyotish into software, so I¹m very familiar with it¹s math and logic, and the universal workings. I really trust the calculations, they are quite good. I¹ve also test them, observing the celestial bodies and noted the calculations being accurate. So, I say, if you have a good birth time, go with it. What scares me most about this is that I have an ugly feeling that some astrologers do rectification to make a chart more appealing to THEMSELVES, more convenient to their reading style. Like they might THINK you look like a certain sublord, which can only be had if they tweak the time by ten minutes...like that. That kind of thing would truly be wrong to do, but like I said, humans think all kinds of different ways...and Jyotishi¹s are humans. And it¹s true what Renay said, not only does rectification rely on how good the Jyotishi is, but also the whole reading is based on good they are. I realize I didn¹t REALLY answer your question because I really don¹t know why they do that. Peace Das Goravani das (AT) goravani (DOT) com Secure online ordering of Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3) For Hindu Astrology Software and Lessons (Jyotish) Now on DVD! For Original Celtic Art Paintings http://www.goravani.com/art.html or Please use email if at all possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Oh, my goodness! So if we can't trust birth records, and if every astologer has their own means and ways to rectify time, then one can never know one's birth time. Consequently, what would be the point of having one's chart done? It will always be an uncertainty. Why bother? Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik > wrote: The notion that time of birth recorded in the hospital must be correct may mislead. My daughter had a baby by cesarean operation in a modern and well-equipped hospital. Naturally many of the family members, including myself were present outside the operation theatre. I noted the time as 12:58 p.m. as soon as I heard the cry of the baby. The time of birth written in the birth certificate is, 1:10 p.m. ! Good luck. Das Goravani <das (AT) goravani (DOT) com> wrote: Since I have an accurate birth time from hospital records, why do you think that the Vedic astrologers that I have worked with have insisted on rectifiying my birth time in order to do my chart? I¹m not actually sure why they do that, though I know that what you say is true, that some always rectify. I think they come from certain groups of study. There are groups with the jyotish world, like the Krishnamurti group, the Jaimini group, the Systems Approach group, and so on. Perhaps one of those groups I¹m less familiar with believes that it is always necessary. Personally, I don¹t agree with them whatever their reason for doing that. I do think that very often the written hospital recorded time is correct, like mine is 4:42 AM... So why should I question that? And since the Ascendant moves so fast and is so important, why mess with it? I¹ve learned in my 46 years that humans are a variegated bunch mentally, and you cannot know for sure where anyone is really coming from, what they are thinking I mean. Myself, I¹ve programmed Jyotish into software, so I¹m very familiar with it¹s math and logic, and the universal workings. I really trust the calculations, they are quite good. I¹ve also test them, observing the celestial bodies and noted the calculations being accurate. So, I say, if you have a good birth time, go with it. What scares me most about this is that I have an ugly feeling that some astrologers do rectification to make a chart more appealing to THEMSELVES, more convenient to their reading style. Like they might THINK you look like a certain sublord, which can only be had if they tweak the time by ten minutes...like that. That kind of thing would truly be wrong to do, but like I said, humans think all kinds of different ways...and Jyotishi¹s are humans. And it¹s true what Renay said, not only does rectification rely on how good the Jyotishi is, but also the whole reading is based on good they are. I realize I didn¹t REALLY answer your question because I really don¹t know why they do that. Peace Das Goravani das (AT) goravani (DOT) com Secure online ordering of Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3) For Hindu Astrology Software and Lessons (Jyotish) Now on DVD! For Original Celtic Art Paintings http://www.goravani.com/art.html or Please use email if at all possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 I'd like to say hello to you by name but I'm pretty sure your name is neither "have a great day" nor "forall10q". So, I guess you just get, "Hi" I've spent about one quarter of my life (yikes) on the issue of rectification and it's still not clear. Let that be a lesson in and of itself! I've heard every story there is about hospital time keeping, from super accurate to 4 hours late (in some particular hospital in Brazil). I've heard several different opinions as to when is the "exact" moment of birth and if this is affected by natural birth or cesarean or artificially induced birth (in whatever manner induced). All I know for sure is that some people are born with a birth certificate that has a time on it and others have nothing. Some people's charts are accurate to the least detail and other people's charts couldn't predict the biggest of events. So now what? My opinion is to quit trying to rectify anything. If you have been given a time, and you believe in predeterminism, then there's a reason why THAT chart is yours. If your chart is one of the super accurate ones, then maybe it's because your choices would be aided but not DICTATED by astrology. Maybe. If your chart is more accurate for some events and less for others, well, is it totally necessary to know something will happen in April but then it happens in July? Maybe predicting has become too important an issue in one's life. Maybe. And if your chart is totally off in every way, then maybe it's because you are better off that way in this life. Better off letting go of astrology and making your choices as they present themselves, in the best way you can with your own instincts and no one elses. Maybe. Either way you look at it, astrology and your chart (even unrectified) can give you many insights into your own talents and shortcomings and give you a general direction - but maybe the details shouldn't be told to us by someone else. I really don't know. I just know I've spent a LOT of time on this in the past and it's still very murky. For those who are interested in a reading with Yogi Karve, there's a list that sends out notification of when he is in the United States (not yet). I was going to post that address but a couple of days ago I got a virus via that address. However I can tell you that his contact in the US is Charles Saba who has posted on this list before. If you go to the list's home page and make a search for Charles Saba in the old posts, you might find his email address. There IS a lot to know and learn from astrology. Give the chart you have a chance to tell you what it can tell you - and then make your own decision as to what is right for you. There are lots of reasons to bother. Not even in medicine is there certainty or true predictability but no one would think to give up medicine entirely. Well, whatever you decide to do, I wish very good luck to you! --- Have a great day! <forall10q > wrote: > Oh, my goodness! So if we can't trust birth > records, and if every astologer has their own means > and ways to rectify time, then one can never know > one's birth time. Consequently, what would be the > point of having one's chart done? It will always be > an uncertainty. Why bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Hi, Mary, this is Karen, and I want to thank you for such an informative reply. It really helps me to know how murky the issue is, since I was so very trusting when I first looked into jyotish via Maharishi Jyotish (very, very expensive -- won't do that again). Western astrolger always seemed very accurate using my hospital birth record time. I never even heard of rectification until my first jyotish reading. They insisted on rectification (a separate expense) because they wanted to be sure that my birth time was recorded in EDT and not EST. That much I could understand, and it made some sense to do that since the actually reading itself was so expensive, it seems prudent to double check the recorded time. I was surprised, however, that they changed my actual birth time from 7:55 to 7:38, backwards. Since then I have tried to have it rectified just out of curiosity and the results are always different, even ranging ahead to 8:10. One jyotishi finally told me to choose myself between the traits of two rising signs to select a time. Frankly, I agree with you. It is just nuts. I seem to have faith in my birth time. (It was a Catholic hospital and I just have good vibrations about it.) So I am now officially sticking with that time! No more rectifications allowed. ) I have a super great Western astologer who some Vedic background who does an excellent job for me, but I still yearn for a good jyotishi that I would feel comfortable with. I think of both kinds of astrology as a kind of biodynamic approach to one's own life, the same way we farm and garden, in accord with the universe. I think jyotish has maybe a closer connection, but has gotten very commercial and less the organic concept it was meant to be. IMHO. Thanks again, Mary, Karen Mary Quinn <mary1quinn > wrote: I'd like to say hello to you by name but I'm pretty sure your name is neither "have a great day" nor "forall10q". So, I guess you just get, "Hi" I've spent about one quarter of my life (yikes) on the issue of rectification and it's still not clear. Let that be a lesson in and of itself! I've heard every story there is about hospital time keeping, from super accurate to 4 hours late (in some particular hospital in Brazil). I've heard several different opinions as to when is the "exact" moment of birth and if this is affected by natural birth or cesarean or artificially induced birth (in whatever manner induced). All I know for sure is that some people are born with a birth certificate that has a time on it and others have nothing. Some people's charts are accurate to the least detail and other people's charts couldn't predict the biggest of events. So now what? My opinion is to quit trying to rectify anything. If you have been given a time, and you believe in predeterminism, then there's a reason why THAT chart is yours. If your chart is one of the super accurate ones, then maybe it's because your choices would be aided but not DICTATED by astrology. Maybe. If your chart is more accurate for some events and less for others, well, is it totally necessary to know something will happen in April but then it happens in July? Maybe predicting has become too important an issue in one's life. Maybe. And if your chart is totally off in every way, then maybe it's because you are better off that way in this life. Better off letting go of astrology and making your choices as they present themselves, in the best way you can with your own instincts and no one elses. Maybe. Either way you look at it, astrology and your chart (even unrectified) can give you many insights into your own talents and shortcomings and give you a general direction - but maybe the details shouldn't be told to us by someone else. I really don't know. I just know I've spent a LOT of time on this in the past and it's still very murky. For those who are interested in a reading with Yogi Karve, there's a list that sends out notification of when he is in the United States (not yet). I was going to post that address but a couple of days ago I got a virus via that address. However I can tell you that his contact in the US is Charles Saba who has posted on this list before. If you go to the list's home page and make a search for Charles Saba in the old posts, you might find his email address. There IS a lot to know and learn from astrology. Give the chart you have a chance to tell you what it can tell you - and then make your own decision as to what is right for you. There are lots of reasons to bother. Not even in medicine is there certainty or true predictability but no one would think to give up medicine entirely. Well, whatever you decide to do, I wish very good luck to you! --- Have a great day! <forall10q > wrote: > Oh, my goodness! So if we can't trust birth > records, and if every astologer has their own means > and ways to rectify time, then one can never know > one's birth time. Consequently, what would be the > point of having one's chart done? It will always be > an uncertainty. Why bother? Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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