RE: Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about Vedic astrology!

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The principles of Jyotish are well founded in Vedic thought. "Karma" or

one's actions (what you sow, so shall you reap) is the fundamental basis

of Jyotish. Even a mere thought is said to trigger a cosmic reaction.

Hence, human as well as other lives tend to progress through this

spiritual journey by taking on physical forms until they realize the

absolute reality (the reasons or the process is all too extensive to

discuss here). A Jyotishi or Astrologer then is someone who delineates

an individual's "Karma Phala" (the fruits of our karma) and provides the

individual with the necessary spiritual insight/jyoti (light) to steer

them towards the absolute reality/truth. Hence, a true Jyotishi is one

who himself/herself is illumined by understanding the absolute reality

(which is why this science can't be quantified or tested). In vedic

thought, Jyotish is regarded as one of the "anghas" or parts of the

Vedas. Jyotish is designated to be the "eyes" of the Vedas (rightfully

so). With Jyotish one is able to see everything the Vedas propound - the

very truth about our existence.

 

It is said that everything emanated from this one basic vibration of

"Om" or "Aum." From "Om" the five elemental vibrations emerged

representing the five different tattwas (or elements). The five planets

represent these five vibrations – Guru/Jupiter for Ether, Sani/Saturn

for Air, Mangal/Mars for Fire, Buddha/Mercury for Earth, and Sukra/Venus

for Water. Everything is made up of these five different elements in

different proportions. The same principles of Jyotish hold true in the

science of Ayurveda, the science of Yoga, the art of Indian classical

music, the language of Sanskrit and pretty much every other science and

art in ancient India. Also, the absolute understanding of any of these

will lead to the understanding of the absolute truth.

 

Some people believe that astrology in India came from Babylon, Greece

and other such places. However, considering that the principles of

Jyotish lies completely in the Vedas it is difficult to believe that it

was borrowed from elsewhere and retro-fitted into so completely into

Vedic thought, the other way seems more plausible. Why? In the case of

Jyotish, be it the delineation of "karma-phala" on the basis of Karma,

or the understanding of the Kalachakra we see jyotish as completely

interwoven into the fabric of Vedic thought and we clearly see the

knowledge of all these topics emanating from the single source of truth.

Whereas in the case of western astrology, the bifurcation of astrology

and philosophy is clear - western astrology sticks out as a soar thumb.

 

Regards,

 

Jai

 

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu

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Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:54 PM

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Re: [vedic astrology] Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about "Vedic

astrology"!

 

Namaskaar All

 

Vedic astrology is not a misnomer and very much Vedic. I have had open

discussions with Sri Mohan but somehow he is bent on wanting to proof

something that is only, at best his assumptions.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

On 10/25/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231 > wrote:

 

Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

"Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a square

peg in a round hole!

 

The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

etc. nor is there any mention of planets like Mangal,

Budha, Shani etc.

 

"Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth century

BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean tithi,

nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc.  Even that

orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis nor

to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both inclusive!

In other words, just the mention of Surya and Chandra

is there, which means there was no predictive

astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE ---

Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE --

in India.  Obviusly, to call predictive astrology, and

that also the so called nirayana predictive astrology.

as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg in a

round hole, much against the very spriti of the Vedas

and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

 

Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he has

mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them. 

 

The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc.  ---

which could never be of Indian origin, much less

Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu scriptures,

much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we may

blow!

 

"Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of such

hocus pocus!

 

As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is against

the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

through astrology. That was actually a full time job

of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country for

such a "glorious" pastime!

 

I am sure you would not like India also to have a

similar destiny!

 

It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the "creator"

of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

translation of which is doing the rounds these days,

wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the Ayanamsha

Mr. Jha had found giving correct results!  Thus you

have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

"Parashara"  -- The Mumbai edition follows

Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha!  Ironically,all the

jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

edition does not agree with the other in any way!  And

as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in his

original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

about Ayanamshas since he has made it catagorically

clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti etc.!

 

Dhanyavad.

Mohan Jyotishi

 

> vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> RAAGHAVAM

> <munisevitham> wrote:

>

> NaNamaste

> Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> Astrology,

> > that how come  Indian Hindu Astrology could become

> a

> > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> While my requests for above clarifications till

> rests

> with the list,you have given me an opopportunityo

> learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve the

> question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> being.

>

> --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> >

> > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any work

> on

> astrology by

> > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full of

> > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand the

> > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of any

> > so

> > called ninirayanaaRashichakramuch less a LaLahirir

> > RaRamanaaRashichakra All that he has done in the

> > Vishnu Purana is discussed thoroughly the

> phenomenon

> > of seasons and declared MeMeshaaSankantis the day

> of

> > Spring Equinox  -- mentioning specifically that

> the

> > day and night are equal on that date, and so on.

> > What

> > is all the more surprising is that in that work

> viz.

> > ViVishuurana, also, the nanakshatrahchakratarts

> from

> > KrKrittikajust like it started in the Vedas,

> instead

> > of from the so called AsAshviniivision, as is

> > happening these days!

> >

> >  Similarly, MaMakaraSankrantias been depicted as a

> > synonym of the UtUttarayanathe shortest day of the

> > year, dadakshinayanand KaKarkataSankantire one and

> > the

> > same thing i.e. the longest day of the year and

> > Autumn

> > Equinox (HeHemantaSampatand TuTulaaSankrantiave

> been

> > clubbed together making it very clear that there

> is

> > no

> > other TuTulaaSankrantixcepting the one on which

> days

> > and nights are equal!

> >

> > Regarding BrBrihatrPrasharaora ShShastrasupposed

> to

> > have been written by "Sage PrPrashara

> BhBhatotpalaf

> > Kashmir had said in his commentary on the

> BrBrihat>

> JaJatakamn the seventh century AD that he had heard

> > about some PaParashariut it was not available

> > anywhere!  That is why S. B. DiDikshitn his

> > "BhBharatiya> JyJyotishsays that if it was not

> available in the

> > seventh century, how could it be available now

> that

> > is

> > in the nineteenth century, when he had compiled

> that

> > book!

> >

> > The earliest edition of BrBrihatrPrasharaora

> ShShastra> that is avavilalbehese days with original

> Sanskrit

> > text is from VeVenkateshwararess, Bombay, and the

> > preface of that books states clearly that it is

> (not

> > by MaMaharshiaParasharaut) by some unknown author

> > who

> > has collected different pieces of astrological

> > knowledge from different places and then put them

> > together under the name of "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > ShShastra

> >

> > (Much like RaRavanaSamhita

> >

> > To add insult to injury, that

> "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > ShShastrawants us to adopt

> GrGrahalaghavayAyanamsha>

> and

> > asaseverybodynows, GrGrahaghavaf

> GaGaneshaDaivagyas

> > a

> > sixteenth century work!

> >  In other words, "MaMaharshiaParasharf BrBrihat>

> PrPrasharais a "descendant of Ganesha DaDaivagya

> >

> > Then there is ananotehraParashariritten by

> SiSitaram> JhJha> and pupulbishedy Master

> KhKhelariaLalnd sons of

> > Varanasi with original Sanskrit shshlokasnd Hindi

> > translation.  It is entirely different from that

> of

> > VeVenkateshwarress edition.  However, even

> SiSitaram> JhJha> has not said anywhere that that

> work

> is by PaParashara> RiRishi

> >

> > The present English translation avavilablen the

> > market

> > is the one of the same work of SiSitaam JhJhand it

> > prefers  a LaLahiraRayanamshawhich means

> PaParashara> RiRishif that BrBrihataParasharis a

> "descendant---a

> > fofollwerf---- LaLahiri

> >

> > And that is that!

> > DhDhanyavad

> > MoMohandyJyotishi>

> >  vevedicstrology@yaom,

> > KAKARUNAAKARAM> > RARAAGHAVAM> >

> <mumunisevitham...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > NaNamaste

> > >

> > > I was recently viewing the MAMAHAHBHARATpisode 4

> > > filmed by B.R.ChChpra Ravi Chopra( Epic's Hindi

> > > version with English caption) ---- in the

> > beginning

> > > of

> > > the 4ththpisode Sage VyVyasays to Mata

> SaSatyavati

> > > time flows like a river  ……  it is better that

> man

> > > is

> > > unable to read future.What is fate to happen

> will

> > > happen,some times ignorance is bliss and some

> > times

> > > prprenowledge is a cause for sorrow….fate means

> > that

> > > only God knows what is in store for an

> individual

> > > .."

> > >

> > > The above purported didialoguef Sage Veda

> VyVyason

> > > of

> > > Sage PaParasarepicts Him to be a non believer of

> > > Astrology ! Is it tuturehat Sage Veda VyVyasas a

> > non

> > > bebeliverf Astrology? While is father Patronized

> > > Astrology?

> > > If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebeliverf

> > Astrology,

> > > that how come  Indian Hindu Astrology could

> become

> > a

> > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > >

> > > I request the veteran Astrologers to clarify my

> > > doubts.

> > >

> > > --- Gail Francisco <gagailfrancisco...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Om nanamohbhagavateavasyudevaya> > >

> > > > VyVyasaJSJCircle, California, USA

> > > >

> > > > JyJyotishuru's: Freedom Tobias Cole & Lakshmi

> > Kary

> > > > Address: 652, NoNorvelltreet, El' CeCerritoCA

> > > 94530,

> > > > USA

> > > > Phone: 510-938-1570

> > > > 23 October, Sunday

> > > > Time: 11:00 am

> > > >

> > > > VyVyasatudy circle in California - San

> Francisco

> > > Bay

> > > > Area.

> > > >

> > > > Topic for discussion:  BrBrihataParasaraora

> > > ShShastra> > > and PaPanchanga> > > Please bring

> a

>

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