Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear gaurav jee, Namaskar, To start with I do not believe in partial yoga, either it should be KSY or KAY or No KSY or KAY. The three cases you have sited, 1- Mars and moon are out of the axis. So I would say No yoga what so ever. 2- Lagna is out of axis. and person is born 1986, means 20 years old, I am interested to know, where and how successful is this person. 3- Moon and Lagna are out of axis, person is born 1982, means 24 years old, same interest about this person also. Last two cases are they related with cricket or football. Thanks for the data. Om Namah Shivai! SPI wrote: ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Suri Allam, Doshiji & others, If u look at Doshi's chart, it will be quite clear about his delays... The lagna Lord is with Sun, the 2nd lord...for everybody's information, moon becomes "impotent" to give its result when it is closer to Sun, added to that the 5th house is being aspected by Saturn...& Saturn who is in Moon's Nakshatra is making his attitude quite negative..also Moon who is closer to Bhava Jnction cannot give its full reslts of the 5th house Again mars, who is a Yogakarak for him, falls in 6th house & unfriendly navamsh, he can hav some health problems, added to that he takes certain decisions, for which he often suffers... right now he is in Venus Dasa, Rahu Bhukti & Venus Pratyantar... In Rasi chart, Venus is in own house, in Jupiter's Nakshatra, occupying unfriendly Navamsha in 8th from Navamasa Lagna...so though he will put every of his efforts, he wont get success everytime... For Suri allam;- i am giving some birth details of some successful people having partial/full KSY:- 1> December 14, 1924 Time: 20:44:48 Time Zone: 5:50:00 (East of GMT) Place: 71 E 33' 00", 34 N 00' 00" Peshawar, Pakistan 2>January 11, 1986 Time: 22:15:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 34' 00" Calcutta, India Altitude: 0.00 meters 3>August 30, 1982 Time: 19:45:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" Calcutta Ballygunge, India Altitude: 0.00 meters (Names withheld for obvious reasons) Thanq, With Humbleness, Wish u all success, http://gauravastro.150m.com ------------------------------- Astrologer shows you the pit before you fall, he cannot alter your course from falling into the pit...... (No Private consultation) vedic astrology, Suri allam <ianianala wrote: > > Om Sri gurave Namah, > Dear doshi jee, > Please check again, It is Kal amrita yoga, as it sounds, if kal is death, then you should get ambrosia(amrita)from this yoga. and your navamsa (I am still searching for its applicability)has no KSY OR kAY. > > I think you should look more into the strenghs of each planet in terms of its > ishta and kasta phala. and KAY is opposite to KSY. > > You are looking for peace, peace is > god, find it in your self,not outside. > meditation, pranayama is the way. > > For the sake of data, could you be little more specific, about, delays,hardship effecting which part of your life, like in education, family, career etc. > > Thanks for sharing your data. > > Om Namah Shivai! > > SPI > Gautam Doshi <gautam_777 wrote: > Dear All, > > This seems like a very interesting discussion. I have a kaal Sarpa Yoga in my horoscope and I can assure you that I have experienced the delays, obstacles, painful hard work not resulting in fruit etc. all supposed to be a highlight of this Yoga. It promises spiritual benefits at the expense of the material, leading one to ponder on the meaningfullness or meaninglessness of life in general. I always am seeking peace and am unable to find it, could be for whatever reasons... > > My name is Gautam Doshi, born on 07 December 1980 at 09:16 PM in Mumbai, India (19N06, 72E50). > > Should one not check the Navamsa chart too, i.e. the placement of Rahu and Ketu in the Navamsa chart as compared to the Rashi chart? The Rashi chart being the backbone can have a Kaal Sarpa yoga but if the Navamsa chart does not have it then the native does not have to suffer the Yoga, please correct me if I am wrong??? > > Could you please read my chart for Kaal Sarpa Yoga and its strength and suggest any valuable remedies? > > Looking forward to receiving some help from you all. > > Thank you, > > Gautam Doshi. > > "A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club wrote: > Dear Suri Allam, > > I have data of 4 persons with KSY/KAY. > > 1. DOB 18-10-1925. 05.15 Hrs IST. 29N23 & 79E30. Name not known. Indian politician, involved in hawala case, a Jamindar in North India. > 2. DOB 29-07-83, 14.00 hrs. 41N00 and 16E00. Bennitto Mussolini. > 3. DOB 25-03-1928, Time not known, 09N30 & 76E23. Vayalar Ramavarma, a well known Poet from Kerala. Lagna is at 19.05 deg. > 4. The famour Singer Yesudas from Kerala. DOB 10-01-1940, 8.50 am, plate not known, Lagna is at 296 deg. > > Hope this will help. > > Regards > > Ravi Nair > > Suri allam wrote: > Om Sri gurave namah! > Dear Members, > I am still looking for its origin and further details, once I get hold of them, I will post them, for sake of discussion and data, > I have Following personalities, who have in a way complete KSY or KAY, > but lagna is still out. > Mandela Nelson, July, 18, 1918, 14.54.00, 28E47, 31S35, KSY type Seshnagh, we all know him.but still what is caused by KSY, 35 years in jail, or Presidentship and nobel peace prize.there could be more. > Silvester stallone, July 6, 1946, 19:20, 74W0, 40N42, KAY, rahu 6, Ketu, 12, , I do not know much about Rambo, but his official website, suggests struggle etc. > Both have same lagna, Sg. > Pope gregoryXIII, July 17, 1502, 19:15:00, 11E20, 44N29, KAY > To know about him visit: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07001b.htm > Pope Jules II, June 22, 1445, 14:10,8E3, 44N17, KAY, > To know about him visit, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08562a.htm > Sri Jawahar lal Nehru, Nov 14, 1889, 23:21:00, 81E52, 25N28, Well his Jupiter(15:10 Sg) and Ketu (12:43Sg) 6th house, so Jupiter is between Ketu and Rahu, on left side and remaining planets are right side. Only Ju is in KSY and remaining in KAY. Even if it is taken in a broad sense, it is KAY, again. > Rich lineage, english education,very close to Mahatma gandhi jee, First Prime ministership, So much loved as Chacha Nehru, it is raj yoga, and at the same time all that suffering during struggle for independence, Jail time, Kamala Nehru's illness, etc. > Lata Mangeshkar, Sep 28, 1929, 22:30:00, 75E50, 22N43, As per definition it is not KSY OR KAY, > Mandela Nelson and Sly, Stallone, both struggled in their own ways, but now both are very successful. SO KAY is bad or KSY. > Mandela Nelson and J L Nehru jee both went to jail for almost same purpose, and both are very successful, ofcourse jail duration is not the same, > one is KSY, other is Forced KAY. They definetly define certain aspect of the horoscope, but phala and remedies? > Please feel free to comment! > Search continues! > Om Namah Shivai! > SPI > jatinsingus wrote: > Dear Sir, > > A small question always troubles me, When looking for KSY should we > always consider sign from which KSY starts or degree of planets, > sometimes some planets are in sign of rahu but are not in axis as > their degrees are out of axis. will still be the effect of KSY in > this case, please let us know sir, > > regards, > > jatinder... > > vedic astrology, Suri allam > wrote: > > > > Om Sri gurave Namah! > > Dear Members, > > Yes, Let us discuss, what exactle KSY/KAS are. > > What is Kaalsarp? > > > > View I- When all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu > (i.e., the moon's north node and the moon's south node), Kaalsarp > Yoga is formed. Complete Kaalsarp Yoga is formed only when half of > the chart is unoccupied by planets. Even if one planet is outside > the Rahu-Ketu Axis, there is no Kaalsarp Yoga. > > Before you do any remedies for the Kaalsarp Yoga, make sure that > all planets are between Rahu and Ketu. Even if there is one planet > outside the Rahu-Ketu axis the Kaalsarp Yoga does not exist. > > The Kaalsarp Yoga is not always bad. It has the power to confer > gains too.All planets must be hemmed between Rahu and Ketu.Even if > one planet is outside the Rahu Ketu axis there is no Kaalsarp > Yoga.Rahu is the moon's north node. Ketu is the moon's south node. > > View II- A lot has been read, said and discussed about the > Kalsarpa Yoga. This yoga, and please notice the choice of words - it > is a yoga and _not_ a dosha, is caused when all the planets are > hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. The figure on the side illustrates > this point. If a person has Kalsarpa yoga in his kundali, Rahu and > Ketu are said to limit the potential of the chart and not allow > other important yogas to take effect. In practice, it is observed > that this role of Rahu and Ketu diminishes over time and good things > are just delayed for such people. Again, noted Astrologer > Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other > axis while all the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then > the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised. > > This is just a commentary on what I have learnt about Kalsarpa > yoga over the years. My advice to the readers is not to take this > yoga too seriously and go on with the life. Research shows that this > yoga was not a part of classical texts written by great sages like > Parashara, Bhrigu etc. but gained importance later. > > > > > > View I-Type of Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu is in the first House and Ketu in the seventh house > and the rest of the planets are to the left of this axis the Yoga > which arises is the Anant Kalsarp Yoga. This is also called as > Vipareeta Kaalsarp yoga opposite Kaalsarp Yoga. Though this yoga has > the power to give windfall gains to the native, it is bad for > marital life. Generally natives with this yoga get married late in > life . > > View II - Types of Kalsarpa Yoga > > There are 12 types of Kalsarpa Yoga. Kal Amrita Yoga is not a > seperate yoga. > > View I- Anant Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in Lagna, Ketu in seventh > house: The person is prone to be target of conspiracies hatched by > people supposedly close to him. The person is likely to lose out in > matters of courts. Married life would be marred by differences > between husband and wife. > > > > View I - Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the second house and Ketu the eighth house > Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga arises. This combination is bad for health. The > probability of losses and accidents is high with natives of this > combination. This is bad for financial prosperity too. The native is > worried on account of an insecure financial standing. > > View II-Kulika Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in second house, Ketu in > eighth: This combination is not good for the person's health. > Expenses would be more then the income and the financial situation > would remain fairly mediocre. He has to struggle a lot in life to > achieve something. > > > > View I- Vasuki Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the third house and Ketu the ninth house and > the rest of the planets are located to the left of the Rahu Ketu > axis, this yoga is born. The native is burdened with problems > relating to job and business. > > View II - Vasuki Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in third house, Ketu in > ninth: The person would have trouble dealing with his brothers and > friends. Travel to foreign countries would create problems. The > person having this combination in his chart should take precautions > in deals by paying extra attention towards legal documentation. > > > > View I -Shankpal Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the 4th house and Ketu the 10th this yoga is > formed. The native gets trouble relating to work sphere and has to > go through stress and anxiety. Sometimes the native has an > illegitimate child, or can be an illegitimate child. However this > yoga also has the power of conferring high political success and > windfall gains. > > View II- Shankapal Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fourth house, Ketu in > tenth: The person with this combination would never be satisfied > with his financial situation and would always strive for more. The > person is prone to troubles relating to immovable property - e.g. > land, houses and modes of conveyance - e.g. cars > > View I -Padam Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the fifth house and Ketu the eleventh house > this Yoga is formed. The native is worried on account of children. > There is difficulty in getting a progeny. If the moon is also > afflicted then there is the possibility of being troubled by > spirits. In this case if a native falls ill the recovery time is > slow. There are also chances of being let down by friends in this > case. > > View II- Padma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fifth house, Ketu in > eleventh: The person would have trouble with children. The person > should never try his luck in lottery, share markets, and anything > where speculation is involved > > View I -Mahapadam Kaalsarp Yoga > > This yoga is formed when Rahu is in the 6th house and Ketu is in > the twelfth house. The native has many enemies and has problems on > account of diseases. However, if this yoga acts beneficially, it has > the power to confer power and political success. > > View II-Mahapadma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in sixth house, Ketu in > twelfth: The person would not do well in relationships and would > have a very pessimistic view of life. > > > > View I- Takshak Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu is in the seventh house and Ketu in the first house > this yoga is formed. The native has speculative tendencies and can > lose wealth by way of wine, women and gambling. There is marital > discord in the life of the native. > > View II - Takshak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in seventh house, Ketu in > first: There is a need for the person to be extra careful in matter > relating to married life and business partnerships. > > > > View I- Karkotak Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the eighth house and Ketu the second house > this yoga is formed. The native is short tempered and has many > enemies. Such a native has friendship with anti-social elements. The > native does not get paternal wealth. > > View II - Karkotik Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eighth house, Ketu in > second: The person does not benefit from any paternal property. > There would be a lot of trust issues between the person and his > friends. This combination is not good for health and Rahu being in > eighth house is usually not considered good as it indicates a sudden > and violent death. > > View I- Shankachood Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the ninth house and Ketu is in the 3rd house > this yoga operates. Natives who have this yoga in the chart have > many ups and down in life. They have a habit of speaking lies. They > are also short tempered. > > View II -Shankhnaad Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in ninth house, Ketu in > third: This combination indicates problems from higher authorities, > government of the day and local administration in the field of > business and commerce. > > View I- Ghatak Kaalsarp Yoga > > This yoga arises when Rahu is in tenth house and Ketu in the > fourth house. Litigation problems are common is this case. > Punishment by law or the Government also possible. However if this > yoga operates in a beneficial manner then it has the power to confer > the highest form of political power, especially in Virgo and Leo > ascendant. > > View II- Paatak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in tenth house, Ketu in > fourth: Rahu being in tenth house indicates problem in employment > and higher authorities whom the person would report to during > his/her job. > > > > > > View I -Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the eleventh house and Ketu the fifth house > the yoga which arises is the Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga. The native > travels frequently and is never fixed at one place. Problems also > arise from children. However these natives get some peace in the > latter half of their life. > > View II -Vishakt Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eleventh house, Ketu in > fifth: This combination indicates a lot of problems between the > person and his elder brother. The person would also remain away from > his native place throughout his life. The person would be prone to > problems like heart trouble, insomnia etc. > > > > View I- Sheshnag Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the twelfth house and Ketu the 6th house this > yoga arises. The native has problems relating to litigation. There > are many enemies and health problems. > > View II- Sheshnag Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in twelfth house, Ketu in > sixth: The person would be prone to problems from people whom he > does not know - mysterious enemies. > > Remedies: View II > > > > > > 1. Pray to Lord Shiva in His Maharudra avatar on Mondays. > Rudrashatakam written by Goswami Tulasidas in Ramacharit Manas > should be chanted regularly. > > 2.Wear a gomed, about two and a half carets in size in the > little finger. > > 3. Wear a special ring, shaped like a serpent with a small Gomed > at the head and a Vaidurya (lahsuniya) at the tail. This ring is to > be worn in the middle finger. > > 4. A pooja at Trayambkeshwara Temple about 40 kms from the city > of Nasik in Maharashtra is suggested. > > > > ViewIII- This gives descriptions about various planets if > outside Rahu- Ketu axis,and there benefit and the important point is > native with KSY and one planet outside meets with sudden and > unexpected changes in his/her life. > > > > Kal Amrita Yoga- If exists, best example is chart of India, > taken from August 15, 1947, 12.00 AM, New Delhi, India. > > > > One lesson by Shri P.V.R.Narshima Rao garu, there is a talk > about these yogas. > > > > More than this info not available with me. > > > > I am searching for chart of prominent people with complete KSY. > ( including in file section of this forum) > > > > Thanks! > > > > Om Namah Shivai, > > > > SPI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushmagupta51 wrote: > > Hello friends, > > > > This seems like a very intersting/controversial discussion, and > very > > informative too. Out of the horoscopes that have been listed below: > > > > 1) some have KSY and others have KAY. > > 2) There is a dictum - that KSY/KAY is broken by planets in Lagna > or > > conjoining Rahu or Ketu. If it happens it results in a Maha Yoga > > which can take the native to unbelievable heights. > > > > Keeping this in mind, now look at all the horoscopes listed again. > > e.g.- Nehru, has Jupiter and Moon breaking the KAY. Once that > > happened he reached great heights! similarly apply the dictum to > > other horoscopes. > > > > Instead of debating Lets take a constructive approach - > > 1) list the negatives of the KSY/KAY yoga > > 2) look at the horoscopes of natives with KSY/KAY and analyze and > > contrast both (1) with (2) > > > > Let me know if that sounds good to members of the forum? > > > > Warm regards, > > Pranav > > > > vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > wrote: > > > > > > You could be right. My point is that it remains a hypothesis > > > (like those who claim KSY is bad) until it is proven > > > conclusively with proper data points. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- "P.Kumar" > wrote: > > > > > > > See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people are > > > > using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents > > > > of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think > > > > judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15 days > > > > (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine > > > > it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the > > > > so called KSY. > > > > > > > > P.Kumar > > > > > > > > - > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- > > > > Astroresearch no 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kumarji, > > > > > > > > With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the > > > > horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not > > > > find > > > > a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows: > > > > > > > > - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside > > > > - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside > > > > - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees > > > > - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside > > > > - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside > > > > - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside > > > > - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is > > > > Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala > > > > Amrita > > > > Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as > > > > planets > > > > are between Ketu and Rahu. > > > > > > > > I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant > > > > (even > > > > in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion. > > > > > > > > Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a > > > > conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data > > > > before > > > > accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or > > > > anything > > > > proposed by anyone. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- "P.Kumar" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the > > > > book > > > > > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran > > > > astrologer > > > > > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers, > > > > > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in > > > > their > > > > > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply > > > > sound > > > > > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound > > > > common > > > > > sense to following facts: > > > > > > > > > > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for > > > > almost > > > > > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the > > > > > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during > > > > this > > > > > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable > > > > > life ? > > > > > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY > > > > (when > > > > > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it > > > > > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, > > > > say > > > > > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? > > > > Remember, > > > > > subtleties are most important in astrology. > > > > > > > > > > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji > > > > > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar > > > > the > > > > > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and > > > > many > > > > > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious > > > > and > > > > > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of > > > > > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa > > > > Yoga > > > > > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself. > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Suri allam > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- > > > > > Astroresearch no 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om gurave namah! > > > > > Dear kandpall jee, > > > > > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or > > > > maladies > > > > > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. > > > > how > > > > > to prove that it is there or not. > > > > > I think some true data will do? > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Om Namah Shivai! > > > > > SPI > > > > > Prakash Kandpal > wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha > > > > > etc. > > > > > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have > > > > > something > > > > > please do share. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga > > > > > that > > > > > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein > > > > > Rahu-Ketu > > > > > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga > > > > > Devata is > > > > > prescribed with other methods etc. > > > > > > > > > > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with > > > > > such yogas > > > > > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have > > > > > prosperity > > > > > of their own. > > > > > > > > > > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years > > > > back > > > > > and a > > > > > number of people have been making money out of this by > > > > > creating fear > > > > > in people's mind. > > > > > > > > > > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe > > > > out > > > > > such > > > > > myths rather than proliferating these. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Prakash Kandpal > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no > > > > > such > > > > > thing like Kala- > > > > > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas. > > === message truncated === > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear gaurav jee, Namaskar, To start with I do not believe in partial yoga, either it should be KSY or KAY or No KSY or KAY. The three cases you have sited, 1- Mars and moon are out of the axis. So I would say No yoga what so ever. 2- Lagna is out of axis. and person is born 1986, means 20 years old, I am interested to know, where and how successful is this person. 3- Moon and Lagna are out of axis, person is born 1982, means 24 years old, same interest about this person also. Last two cases are they related with cricket or football. Thanks for the data. Om Namah Shivai! SPI wrote: ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Suri Allam, Doshiji & others, If u look at Doshi's chart, it will be quite clear about his delays... The lagna Lord is with Sun, the 2nd lord...for everybody's information, moon becomes "impotent" to give its result when it is closer to Sun, added to that the 5th house is being aspected by Saturn...& Saturn who is in Moon's Nakshatra is making his attitude quite negative..also Moon who is closer to Bhava Jnction cannot give its full reslts of the 5th house Again mars, who is a Yogakarak for him, falls in 6th house & unfriendly navamsh, he can hav some health problems, added to that he takes certain decisions, for which he often suffers... right now he is in Venus Dasa, Rahu Bhukti & Venus Pratyantar... In Rasi chart, Venus is in own house, in Jupiter's Nakshatra, occupying unfriendly Navamsha in 8th from Navamasa Lagna...so though he will put every of his efforts, he wont get success everytime... For Suri allam;- i am giving some birth details of some successful people having partial/full KSY:- 1> December 14, 1924 Time: 20:44:48 Time Zone: 5:50:00 (East of GMT) Place: 71 E 33' 00", 34 N 00' 00" Peshawar, Pakistan 2>January 11, 1986 Time: 22:15:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 34' 00" Calcutta, India Altitude: 0.00 meters 3>August 30, 1982 Time: 19:45:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00" Calcutta Ballygunge, India Altitude: 0.00 meters (Names withheld for obvious reasons) Thanq, With Humbleness, Wish u all success, http://gauravastro.150m.com ------------------------------- Astrologer shows you the pit before you fall, he cannot alter your course from falling into the pit...... (No Private consultation) vedic astrology, Suri allam <ianianala wrote: > > Om Sri gurave Namah, > Dear doshi jee, > Please check again, It is Kal amrita yoga, as it sounds, if kal is death, then you should get ambrosia(amrita)from this yoga. and your navamsa (I am still searching for its applicability)has no KSY OR kAY. > > I think you should look more into the strenghs of each planet in terms of its > ishta and kasta phala. and KAY is opposite to KSY. > > You are looking for peace, peace is > god, find it in your self,not outside. > meditation, pranayama is the way. > > For the sake of data, could you be little more specific, about, delays,hardship effecting which part of your life, like in education, family, career etc. > > Thanks for sharing your data. > > Om Namah Shivai! > > SPI > Gautam Doshi <gautam_777 wrote: > Dear All, > > This seems like a very interesting discussion. I have a kaal Sarpa Yoga in my horoscope and I can assure you that I have experienced the delays, obstacles, painful hard work not resulting in fruit etc. all supposed to be a highlight of this Yoga. It promises spiritual benefits at the expense of the material, leading one to ponder on the meaningfullness or meaninglessness of life in general. I always am seeking peace and am unable to find it, could be for whatever reasons... > > My name is Gautam Doshi, born on 07 December 1980 at 09:16 PM in Mumbai, India (19N06, 72E50). > > Should one not check the Navamsa chart too, i.e. the placement of Rahu and Ketu in the Navamsa chart as compared to the Rashi chart? The Rashi chart being the backbone can have a Kaal Sarpa yoga but if the Navamsa chart does not have it then the native does not have to suffer the Yoga, please correct me if I am wrong??? > > Could you please read my chart for Kaal Sarpa Yoga and its strength and suggest any valuable remedies? > > Looking forward to receiving some help from you all. > > Thank you, > > Gautam Doshi. > > "A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club wrote: > Dear Suri Allam, > > I have data of 4 persons with KSY/KAY. > > 1. DOB 18-10-1925. 05.15 Hrs IST. 29N23 & 79E30. Name not known. Indian politician, involved in hawala case, a Jamindar in North India. > 2. DOB 29-07-83, 14.00 hrs. 41N00 and 16E00. Bennitto Mussolini. > 3. DOB 25-03-1928, Time not known, 09N30 & 76E23. Vayalar Ramavarma, a well known Poet from Kerala. Lagna is at 19.05 deg. > 4. The famour Singer Yesudas from Kerala. DOB 10-01-1940, 8.50 am, plate not known, Lagna is at 296 deg. > > Hope this will help. > > Regards > > Ravi Nair > > Suri allam wrote: > Om Sri gurave namah! > Dear Members, > I am still looking for its origin and further details, once I get hold of them, I will post them, for sake of discussion and data, > I have Following personalities, who have in a way complete KSY or KAY, > but lagna is still out. > Mandela Nelson, July, 18, 1918, 14.54.00, 28E47, 31S35, KSY type Seshnagh, we all know him.but still what is caused by KSY, 35 years in jail, or Presidentship and nobel peace prize.there could be more. > Silvester stallone, July 6, 1946, 19:20, 74W0, 40N42, KAY, rahu 6, Ketu, 12, , I do not know much about Rambo, but his official website, suggests struggle etc. > Both have same lagna, Sg. > Pope gregoryXIII, July 17, 1502, 19:15:00, 11E20, 44N29, KAY > To know about him visit: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07001b.htm > Pope Jules II, June 22, 1445, 14:10,8E3, 44N17, KAY, > To know about him visit, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08562a.htm > Sri Jawahar lal Nehru, Nov 14, 1889, 23:21:00, 81E52, 25N28, Well his Jupiter(15:10 Sg) and Ketu (12:43Sg) 6th house, so Jupiter is between Ketu and Rahu, on left side and remaining planets are right side. Only Ju is in KSY and remaining in KAY. Even if it is taken in a broad sense, it is KAY, again. > Rich lineage, english education,very close to Mahatma gandhi jee, First Prime ministership, So much loved as Chacha Nehru, it is raj yoga, and at the same time all that suffering during struggle for independence, Jail time, Kamala Nehru's illness, etc. > Lata Mangeshkar, Sep 28, 1929, 22:30:00, 75E50, 22N43, As per definition it is not KSY OR KAY, > Mandela Nelson and Sly, Stallone, both struggled in their own ways, but now both are very successful. SO KAY is bad or KSY. > Mandela Nelson and J L Nehru jee both went to jail for almost same purpose, and both are very successful, ofcourse jail duration is not the same, > one is KSY, other is Forced KAY. They definetly define certain aspect of the horoscope, but phala and remedies? > Please feel free to comment! > Search continues! > Om Namah Shivai! > SPI > jatinsingus wrote: > Dear Sir, > > A small question always troubles me, When looking for KSY should we > always consider sign from which KSY starts or degree of planets, > sometimes some planets are in sign of rahu but are not in axis as > their degrees are out of axis. will still be the effect of KSY in > this case, please let us know sir, > > regards, > > jatinder... > > vedic astrology, Suri allam > wrote: > > > > Om Sri gurave Namah! > > Dear Members, > > Yes, Let us discuss, what exactle KSY/KAS are. > > What is Kaalsarp? > > > > View I- When all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu > (i.e., the moon's north node and the moon's south node), Kaalsarp > Yoga is formed. Complete Kaalsarp Yoga is formed only when half of > the chart is unoccupied by planets. Even if one planet is outside > the Rahu-Ketu Axis, there is no Kaalsarp Yoga. > > Before you do any remedies for the Kaalsarp Yoga, make sure that > all planets are between Rahu and Ketu. Even if there is one planet > outside the Rahu-Ketu axis the Kaalsarp Yoga does not exist. > > The Kaalsarp Yoga is not always bad. It has the power to confer > gains too.All planets must be hemmed between Rahu and Ketu.Even if > one planet is outside the Rahu Ketu axis there is no Kaalsarp > Yoga.Rahu is the moon's north node. Ketu is the moon's south node. > > View II- A lot has been read, said and discussed about the > Kalsarpa Yoga. This yoga, and please notice the choice of words - it > is a yoga and _not_ a dosha, is caused when all the planets are > hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. The figure on the side illustrates > this point. If a person has Kalsarpa yoga in his kundali, Rahu and > Ketu are said to limit the potential of the chart and not allow > other important yogas to take effect. In practice, it is observed > that this role of Rahu and Ketu diminishes over time and good things > are just delayed for such people. Again, noted Astrologer > Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other > axis while all the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then > the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised. > > This is just a commentary on what I have learnt about Kalsarpa > yoga over the years. My advice to the readers is not to take this > yoga too seriously and go on with the life. Research shows that this > yoga was not a part of classical texts written by great sages like > Parashara, Bhrigu etc. but gained importance later. > > > > > > View I-Type of Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu is in the first House and Ketu in the seventh house > and the rest of the planets are to the left of this axis the Yoga > which arises is the Anant Kalsarp Yoga. This is also called as > Vipareeta Kaalsarp yoga opposite Kaalsarp Yoga. Though this yoga has > the power to give windfall gains to the native, it is bad for > marital life. Generally natives with this yoga get married late in > life . > > View II - Types of Kalsarpa Yoga > > There are 12 types of Kalsarpa Yoga. Kal Amrita Yoga is not a > seperate yoga. > > View I- Anant Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in Lagna, Ketu in seventh > house: The person is prone to be target of conspiracies hatched by > people supposedly close to him. The person is likely to lose out in > matters of courts. Married life would be marred by differences > between husband and wife. > > > > View I - Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the second house and Ketu the eighth house > Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga arises. This combination is bad for health. The > probability of losses and accidents is high with natives of this > combination. This is bad for financial prosperity too. The native is > worried on account of an insecure financial standing. > > View II-Kulika Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in second house, Ketu in > eighth: This combination is not good for the person's health. > Expenses would be more then the income and the financial situation > would remain fairly mediocre. He has to struggle a lot in life to > achieve something. > > > > View I- Vasuki Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the third house and Ketu the ninth house and > the rest of the planets are located to the left of the Rahu Ketu > axis, this yoga is born. The native is burdened with problems > relating to job and business. > > View II - Vasuki Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in third house, Ketu in > ninth: The person would have trouble dealing with his brothers and > friends. Travel to foreign countries would create problems. The > person having this combination in his chart should take precautions > in deals by paying extra attention towards legal documentation. > > > > View I -Shankpal Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the 4th house and Ketu the 10th this yoga is > formed. The native gets trouble relating to work sphere and has to > go through stress and anxiety. Sometimes the native has an > illegitimate child, or can be an illegitimate child. However this > yoga also has the power of conferring high political success and > windfall gains. > > View II- Shankapal Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fourth house, Ketu in > tenth: The person with this combination would never be satisfied > with his financial situation and would always strive for more. The > person is prone to troubles relating to immovable property - e.g. > land, houses and modes of conveyance - e.g. cars > > View I -Padam Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the fifth house and Ketu the eleventh house > this Yoga is formed. The native is worried on account of children. > There is difficulty in getting a progeny. If the moon is also > afflicted then there is the possibility of being troubled by > spirits. In this case if a native falls ill the recovery time is > slow. There are also chances of being let down by friends in this > case. > > View II- Padma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fifth house, Ketu in > eleventh: The person would have trouble with children. The person > should never try his luck in lottery, share markets, and anything > where speculation is involved > > View I -Mahapadam Kaalsarp Yoga > > This yoga is formed when Rahu is in the 6th house and Ketu is in > the twelfth house. The native has many enemies and has problems on > account of diseases. However, if this yoga acts beneficially, it has > the power to confer power and political success. > > View II-Mahapadma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in sixth house, Ketu in > twelfth: The person would not do well in relationships and would > have a very pessimistic view of life. > > > > View I- Takshak Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu is in the seventh house and Ketu in the first house > this yoga is formed. The native has speculative tendencies and can > lose wealth by way of wine, women and gambling. There is marital > discord in the life of the native. > > View II - Takshak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in seventh house, Ketu in > first: There is a need for the person to be extra careful in matter > relating to married life and business partnerships. > > > > View I- Karkotak Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the eighth house and Ketu the second house > this yoga is formed. The native is short tempered and has many > enemies. Such a native has friendship with anti-social elements. The > native does not get paternal wealth. > > View II - Karkotik Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eighth house, Ketu in > second: The person does not benefit from any paternal property. > There would be a lot of trust issues between the person and his > friends. This combination is not good for health and Rahu being in > eighth house is usually not considered good as it indicates a sudden > and violent death. > > View I- Shankachood Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the ninth house and Ketu is in the 3rd house > this yoga operates. Natives who have this yoga in the chart have > many ups and down in life. They have a habit of speaking lies. They > are also short tempered. > > View II -Shankhnaad Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in ninth house, Ketu in > third: This combination indicates problems from higher authorities, > government of the day and local administration in the field of > business and commerce. > > View I- Ghatak Kaalsarp Yoga > > This yoga arises when Rahu is in tenth house and Ketu in the > fourth house. Litigation problems are common is this case. > Punishment by law or the Government also possible. However if this > yoga operates in a beneficial manner then it has the power to confer > the highest form of political power, especially in Virgo and Leo > ascendant. > > View II- Paatak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in tenth house, Ketu in > fourth: Rahu being in tenth house indicates problem in employment > and higher authorities whom the person would report to during > his/her job. > > > > > > View I -Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the eleventh house and Ketu the fifth house > the yoga which arises is the Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga. The native > travels frequently and is never fixed at one place. Problems also > arise from children. However these natives get some peace in the > latter half of their life. > > View II -Vishakt Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eleventh house, Ketu in > fifth: This combination indicates a lot of problems between the > person and his elder brother. The person would also remain away from > his native place throughout his life. The person would be prone to > problems like heart trouble, insomnia etc. > > > > View I- Sheshnag Kaalsarp Yoga > > When Rahu occupies the twelfth house and Ketu the 6th house this > yoga arises. The native has problems relating to litigation. There > are many enemies and health problems. > > View II- Sheshnag Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in twelfth house, Ketu in > sixth: The person would be prone to problems from people whom he > does not know - mysterious enemies. > > Remedies: View II > > > > > > 1. Pray to Lord Shiva in His Maharudra avatar on Mondays. > Rudrashatakam written by Goswami Tulasidas in Ramacharit Manas > should be chanted regularly. > > 2.Wear a gomed, about two and a half carets in size in the > little finger. > > 3. Wear a special ring, shaped like a serpent with a small Gomed > at the head and a Vaidurya (lahsuniya) at the tail. This ring is to > be worn in the middle finger. > > 4. A pooja at Trayambkeshwara Temple about 40 kms from the city > of Nasik in Maharashtra is suggested. > > > > ViewIII- This gives descriptions about various planets if > outside Rahu- Ketu axis,and there benefit and the important point is > native with KSY and one planet outside meets with sudden and > unexpected changes in his/her life. > > > > Kal Amrita Yoga- If exists, best example is chart of India, > taken from August 15, 1947, 12.00 AM, New Delhi, India. > > > > One lesson by Shri P.V.R.Narshima Rao garu, there is a talk > about these yogas. > > > > More than this info not available with me. > > > > I am searching for chart of prominent people with complete KSY. > ( including in file section of this forum) > > > > Thanks! > > > > Om Namah Shivai, > > > > SPI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushmagupta51 wrote: > > Hello friends, > > > > This seems like a very intersting/controversial discussion, and > very > > informative too. Out of the horoscopes that have been listed below: > > > > 1) some have KSY and others have KAY. > > 2) There is a dictum - that KSY/KAY is broken by planets in Lagna > or > > conjoining Rahu or Ketu. If it happens it results in a Maha Yoga > > which can take the native to unbelievable heights. > > > > Keeping this in mind, now look at all the horoscopes listed again. > > e.g.- Nehru, has Jupiter and Moon breaking the KAY. Once that > > happened he reached great heights! similarly apply the dictum to > > other horoscopes. > > > > Instead of debating Lets take a constructive approach - > > 1) list the negatives of the KSY/KAY yoga > > 2) look at the horoscopes of natives with KSY/KAY and analyze and > > contrast both (1) with (2) > > > > Let me know if that sounds good to members of the forum? > > > > Warm regards, > > Pranav > > > > vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > wrote: > > > > > > You could be right. My point is that it remains a hypothesis > > > (like those who claim KSY is bad) until it is proven > > > conclusively with proper data points. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- "P.Kumar" > wrote: > > > > > > > See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people are > > > > using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents > > > > of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think > > > > judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15 days > > > > (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine > > > > it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the > > > > so called KSY. > > > > > > > > P.Kumar > > > > > > > > - > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- > > > > Astroresearch no 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kumarji, > > > > > > > > With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the > > > > horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not > > > > find > > > > a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows: > > > > > > > > - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside > > > > - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside > > > > - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees > > > > - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside > > > > - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside > > > > - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside > > > > - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is > > > > Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala > > > > Amrita > > > > Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as > > > > planets > > > > are between Ketu and Rahu. > > > > > > > > I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant > > > > (even > > > > in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion. > > > > > > > > Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a > > > > conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data > > > > before > > > > accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or > > > > anything > > > > proposed by anyone. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- "P.Kumar" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the > > > > book > > > > > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran > > > > astrologer > > > > > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers, > > > > > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in > > > > their > > > > > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply > > > > sound > > > > > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound > > > > common > > > > > sense to following facts: > > > > > > > > > > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for > > > > almost > > > > > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the > > > > > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during > > > > this > > > > > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable > > > > > life ? > > > > > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY > > > > (when > > > > > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it > > > > > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, > > > > say > > > > > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? > > > > Remember, > > > > > subtleties are most important in astrology. > > > > > > > > > > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji > > > > > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar > > > > the > > > > > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and > > > > many > > > > > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious > > > > and > > > > > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of > > > > > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa > > > > Yoga > > > > > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself. > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Suri allam > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- > > > > > Astroresearch no 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om gurave namah! > > > > > Dear kandpall jee, > > > > > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or > > > > maladies > > > > > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. > > > > how > > > > > to prove that it is there or not. > > > > > I think some true data will do? > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Om Namah Shivai! > > > > > SPI > > > > > Prakash Kandpal > wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha > > > > > etc. > > > > > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have > > > > > something > > > > > please do share. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga > > > > > that > > > > > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein > > > > > Rahu-Ketu > > > > > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga > > > > > Devata is > > > > > prescribed with other methods etc. > > > > > > > > > > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with > > > > > such yogas > > > > > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have > > > > > prosperity > > > > > of their own. > > > > > > > > > > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years > > > > back > > > > > and a > > > > > number of people have been making money out of this by > > > > > creating fear > > > > > in people's mind. > > > > > > > > > > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe > > > > out > > > > > such > > > > > myths rather than proliferating these. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Prakash Kandpal > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no > > > > > such > > > > > thing like Kala- > > > > > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas. > > === message truncated === > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Ravindran jee, Any news about the Kerala Shastras. Thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI "A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club > wrote: Dear Suri Allam, Yes, I also feel so. While Kerala Astrologers too much emphasis on Kalasarpa Yoga and Manglik Dosha, northern Astrologers do not give much importance to these. So you may right, KSY may have been originated from Kerala angle. I will try to dig out. Mr. Kumar of e.com may be able to help us. He is a good Astrologer from Guruvayoor. (e (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in) I am copying this message to Mr. Kumar also. Regards Ravi Nair Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om sri gurave namah! Dear Ravindran jee, As you said you are from kerala, can you tell me how I can get hold of translated version of Kerala Shastras, because, for Mangalik dosha, only Kerala shastras are the source, possibly Kal Sarpa Yoga could also have orginated from Kerala Shastras ( I am assuming). Thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI "A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club > wrote: Dear Suri Allam, Thanks for the message. These datas have been taken from a book from Mr. A.G. Chandragiri, a noted Astrologer from Kerala. Sorry, I do not have any further details about their personal life. Though I am a malayalee, I have been out of Kerala for the last more than 35 years and is out of touch with Kerala personalities. We will look for some other data where we can dig into their personal lifes.. Regards Ravi Nair Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Nair jee, Thanks for the data, and sorry for the delay, I could see my mails only today as I was out on vacation to Niagara falls. 1-hawala politician- KAY,his name? 2-NO 3-kERALA POET- KSY, but Sa 26 Sc 16' and Ke 20Sc 20', so Sa is out by few degrees. 4-Yesudas( I am his fan),KAY Thanks! But I would like to emphasize more on their routine life, and ofcourse final achievement is important, but to draw an inference based on KSY OR KAY we need more events, for e.g. hawala politician, what caused him to get stuck in hawala,see his 2nd is loaded, 6,8,& 12 are empty and 8& 12 aspected by Moolatrikona Ju. So events and dasa will give us more info. Same thing for Yesudas and Kerala poet,are they spiritual,events could be related to, education, parents, spouse, children, career, marriage, health, and it would be better if we can get dates of those events, because here we are going backwards. Thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI "A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club > wrote: Dear Suri Allam, I have data of 4 persons with KSY/KAY. 1. DOB 18-10-1925. 05.15 Hrs IST. 29N23 & 79E30. Name not known. Indian politician, involved in hawala case, a Jamindar in North India. 2. DOB 29-07-83, 14.00 hrs. 41N00 and 16E00. Bennitto Mussolini. 3. DOB 25-03-1928, Time not known, 09N30 & 76E23. Vayalar Ramavarma, a well known Poet from Kerala. Lagna is at 19.05 deg. 4. The famour Singer Yesudas from Kerala. DOB 10-01-1940, 8.50 am, plate not known, Lagna is at 296 deg. Hope this will help. Regards Ravi Nair Suri allam <ianianala (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Om Sri gurave namah! Dear Members, I am still looking for its origin and further details, once I get hold of them, I will post them, for sake of discussion and data, I have Following personalities, who have in a way complete KSY or KAY, but lagna is still out. Mandela Nelson, July, 18, 1918, 14.54.00, 28E47, 31S35, KSY type Seshnagh, we all know him.but still what is caused by KSY, 35 years in jail, or Presidentship and nobel peace prize.there could be more. Silvester stallone, July 6, 1946, 19:20, 74W0, 40N42, KAY, rahu 6, Ketu, 12, , I do not know much about Rambo, but his official website, suggests struggle etc. Both have same lagna, Sg. Pope gregoryXIII, July 17, 1502, 19:15:00, 11E20, 44N29, KAY To know about him visit: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07001b.htm Pope Jules II, June 22, 1445, 14:10,8E3, 44N17, KAY, To know about him visit, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08562a.htm Sri Jawahar lal Nehru, Nov 14, 1889, 23:21:00, 81E52, 25N28, Well his Jupiter(15:10 Sg) and Ketu (12:43Sg) 6th house, so Jupiter is between Ketu and Rahu, on left side and remaining planets are right side. Only Ju is in KSY and remaining in KAY. Even if it is taken in a broad sense, it is KAY, again.. Rich lineage, english education,very close to Mahatma gandhi jee, First Prime ministership, So much loved as Chacha Nehru, it is raj yoga, and at the same time all that suffering during struggle for independence, Jail time, Kamala Nehru's illness, etc. Lata Mangeshkar, Sep 28, 1929, 22:30:00, 75E50, 22N43, As per definition it is not KSY OR KAY, Mandela Nelson and Sly, Stallone, both struggled in their own ways, but now both are very successful. SO KAY is bad or KSY. Mandela Nelson and J L Nehru jee both went to jail for almost same purpose, and both are very successful, ofcourse jail duration is not the same, one is KSY, other is Forced KAY. They definetly define certain aspect of the horoscope, but phala and remedies? Please feel free to comment! Search continues! Om Namah Shivai! SPI jatinsingus <jatinder (AT) emirates (DOT) net.ae> wrote: Dear Sir, A small question always troubles me, When looking for KSY should we always consider sign from which KSY starts or degree of planets, sometimes some planets are in sign of rahu but are not in axis as their degrees are out of axis. will still be the effect of KSY in this case, please let us know sir, regards, jatinder... vedic astrology, Suri allam <ianianala wrote: > > Om Sri gurave Namah! > Dear Members, > Yes, Let us discuss, what exactle KSY/KAS are. > What is Kaalsarp? > > View I- When all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (i.e., the moon's north node and the moon's south node), Kaalsarp Yoga is formed. Complete Kaalsarp Yoga is formed only when half of the chart is unoccupied by planets. Even if one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu Axis, there is no Kaalsarp Yoga. > Before you do any remedies for the Kaalsarp Yoga, make sure that all planets are between Rahu and Ketu. Even if there is one planet outside the Rahu-Ketu axis the Kaalsarp Yoga does not exist. > The Kaalsarp Yoga is not always bad. It has the power to confer gains too.All planets must be hemmed between Rahu and Ketu.Even if one planet is outside the Rahu Ketu axis there is no Kaalsarp Yoga.Rahu is the moon's north node. Ketu is the moon's south node. > View II- A lot has been read, said and discussed about the Kalsarpa Yoga. This yoga, and please notice the choice of words - it is a yoga and _not_ a dosha, is caused when all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. The figure on the side illustrates this point. If a person has Kalsarpa yoga in his kundali, Rahu and Ketu are said to limit the potential of the chart and not allow other important yogas to take effect. In practice, it is observed that this role of Rahu and Ketu diminishes over time and good things are just delayed for such people. Again, noted Astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other axis while all the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised. > This is just a commentary on what I have learnt about Kalsarpa yoga over the years. My advice to the readers is not to take this yoga too seriously and go on with the life. Research shows that this yoga was not a part of classical texts written by great sages like Parashara, Bhrigu etc. but gained importance later. > > > View I-Type of Kaalsarp Yoga > When Rahu is in the first House and Ketu in the seventh house and the rest of the planets are to the left of this axis the Yoga which arises is the Anant Kalsarp Yoga. This is also called as Vipareeta Kaalsarp yoga opposite Kaalsarp Yoga. Though this yoga has the power to give windfall gains to the native, it is bad for marital life. Generally natives with this yoga get married late in life . > View II - Types of Kalsarpa Yoga > There are 12 types of Kalsarpa Yoga. Kal Amrita Yoga is not a seperate yoga. > View I- Anant Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in Lagna, Ketu in seventh house: The person is prone to be target of conspiracies hatched by people supposedly close to him. The person is likely to lose out in matters of courts. Married life would be marred by differences between husband and wife. > > View I - Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga > When Rahu occupies the second house and Ketu the eighth house Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga arises. This combination is bad for health. The probability of losses and accidents is high with natives of this combination. This is bad for financial prosperity too. The native is worried on account of an insecure financial standing. > View II-Kulika Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in second house, Ketu in eighth: This combination is not good for the person's health. Expenses would be more then the income and the financial situation would remain fairly mediocre. He has to struggle a lot in life to achieve something. > > View I- Vasuki Kaalsarp Yoga > When Rahu occupies the third house and Ketu the ninth house and the rest of the planets are located to the left of the Rahu Ketu axis, this yoga is born. The native is burdened with problems relating to job and business. > View II - Vasuki Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in third house, Ketu in ninth: The person would have trouble dealing with his brothers and friends. Travel to foreign countries would create problems. The person having this combination in his chart should take precautions in deals by paying extra attention towards legal documentation. > > View I -Shankpal Kaalsarp Yoga > When Rahu occupies the 4th house and Ketu the 10th this yoga is formed. The native gets trouble relating to work sphere and has to go through stress and anxiety. Sometimes the native has an illegitimate child, or can be an illegitimate child. However this yoga also has the power of conferring high political success and windfall gains. > View II- Shankapal Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fourth house, Ketu in tenth: The person with this combination would never be satisfied with his financial situation and would always strive for more. The person is prone to troubles relating to immovable property - e.g. land, houses and modes of conveyance - e.g. cars > View I -Padam Kaalsarp Yoga > When Rahu occupies the fifth house and Ketu the eleventh house this Yoga is formed. The native is worried on account of children. There is difficulty in getting a progeny. If the moon is also afflicted then there is the possibility of being troubled by spirits. In this case if a native falls ill the recovery time is slow. There are also chances of being let down by friends in this case. > View II- Padma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fifth house, Ketu in eleventh: The person would have trouble with children. The person should never try his luck in lottery, share markets, and anything where speculation is involved > View I -Mahapadam Kaalsarp Yoga > This yoga is formed when Rahu is in the 6th house and Ketu is in the twelfth house. The native has many enemies and has problems on account of diseases. However, if this yoga acts beneficially, it has the power to confer power and political success. > View II-Mahapadma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in sixth house, Ketu in twelfth: The person would not do well in relationships and would have a very pessimistic view of life. > > View I- Takshak Kaalsarp Yoga > When Rahu is in the seventh house and Ketu in the first house this yoga is formed. The native has speculative tendencies and can lose wealth by way of wine, women and gambling. There is marital discord in the life of the native. > View II - Takshak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in seventh house, Ketu in first: There is a need for the person to be extra careful in matter relating to married life and business partnerships. > > View I- Karkotak Kaalsarp Yoga > When Rahu occupies the eighth house and Ketu the second house this yoga is formed. The native is short tempered and has many enemies. Such a native has friendship with anti-social elements. The native does not get paternal wealth. > View II - Karkotik Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eighth house, Ketu in second: The person does not benefit from any paternal property. There would be a lot of trust issues between the person and his friends. This combination is not good for health and Rahu being in eighth house is usually not considered good as it indicates a sudden and violent death. > View I- Shankachood Kaalsarp Yoga > When Rahu occupies the ninth house and Ketu is in the 3rd house this yoga operates. Natives who have this yoga in the chart have many ups and down in life. They have a habit of speaking lies. They are also short tempered. > View II -Shankhnaad Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in ninth house, Ketu in third: This combination indicates problems from higher authorities, government of the day and local administration in the field of business and commerce. > View I- Ghatak Kaalsarp Yoga > This yoga arises when Rahu is in tenth house and Ketu in the fourth house. Litigation problems are common is this case. Punishment by law or the Government also possible. However if this yoga operates in a beneficial manner then it has the power to confer the highest form of political power, especially in Virgo and Leo ascendant. > View II- Paatak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in tenth house, Ketu in fourth: Rahu being in tenth house indicates problem in employment and higher authorities whom the person would report to during his/her job. > > > View I -Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga > When Rahu occupies the eleventh house and Ketu the fifth house the yoga which arises is the Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga. The native travels frequently and is never fixed at one place. Problems also arise from children. However these natives get some peace in the latter half of their life. > View II -Vishakt Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eleventh house, Ketu in fifth: This combination indicates a lot of problems between the person and his elder brother. The person would also remain away from his native place throughout his life. The person would be prone to problems like heart trouble, insomnia etc. > > View I- Sheshnag Kaalsarp Yoga > When Rahu occupies the twelfth house and Ketu the 6th house this yoga arises. The native has problems relating to litigation. There are many enemies and health problems. > View II- Sheshnag Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in twelfth house, Ketu in sixth: The person would be prone to problems from people whom he does not know - mysterious enemies. > Remedies: View II > > > 1. Pray to Lord Shiva in His Maharudra avatar on Mondays. Rudrashatakam written by Goswami Tulasidas in Ramacharit Manas should be chanted regularly. > 2.Wear a gomed, about two and a half carets in size in the little finger. > 3. Wear a special ring, shaped like a serpent with a small Gomed at the head and a Vaidurya (lahsuniya) at the tail. This ring is to be worn in the middle finger. > 4. A pooja at Trayambkeshwara Temple about 40 kms from the city of Nasik in Maharashtra is suggested. > > ViewIII- This gives descriptions about various planets if outside Rahu- Ketu axis,and there benefit and the important point is native with KSY and one planet outside meets with sudden and unexpected changes in his/her life. > > Kal Amrita Yoga- If exists, best example is chart of India, taken from August 15, 1947, 12.00 AM, New Delhi, India. > > One lesson by Shri P.V.R.Narshima Rao garu, there is a talk about these yogas. > > More than this info not available with me. > > I am searching for chart of prominent people with complete KSY. ( including in file section of this forum) > > Thanks! > > Om Namah Shivai, > > SPI > > > > > > > > > sushmagupta51 <sushmagupta51 wrote: > Hello friends, > > This seems like a very intersting/controversial discussion, and very > informative too. Out of the horoscopes that have been listed below: > > 1) some have KSY and others have KAY. > 2) There is a dictum - that KSY/KAY is broken by planets in Lagna or > conjoining Rahu or Ketu. If it happens it results in a Maha Yoga > which can take the native to unbelievable heights. > > Keeping this in mind, now look at all the horoscopes listed again. > e.g.- Nehru, has Jupiter and Moon breaking the KAY. Once that > happened he reached great heights! similarly apply the dictum to > other horoscopes. > > Instead of debating Lets take a constructive approach - > 1) list the negatives of the KSY/KAY yoga > 2) look at the horoscopes of natives with KSY/KAY and analyze and > contrast both (1) with (2) > > Let me know if that sounds good to members of the forum? > > Warm regards, > Pranav > > vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > You could be right. My point is that it remains a hypothesis > > (like those who claim KSY is bad) until it is proven > > conclusively with proper data points. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24@> wrote: > > > > > See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people are > > > using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents > > > of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think > > > judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15 days > > > (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine > > > it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the > > > so called KSY. > > > > > > P.Kumar > > > > > > - > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > vedic astrology > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- > > > Astroresearch no 5 > > > > > > > > > Dear Kumarji, > > > > > > With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the > > > horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not > > > find > > > a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows: > > > > > > - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside > > > - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside > > > - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees > > > - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside > > > - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside > > > - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside > > > - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is > > > Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala > > > Amrita > > > Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as > > > planets > > > are between Ketu and Rahu. > > > > > > I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant > > > (even > > > in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion. > > > > > > Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a > > > conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data > > > before > > > accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or > > > anything > > > proposed by anyone. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24@> wrote: > > > > > > > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the > > > book > > > > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran > > > astrologer > > > > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers, > > > > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in > > > their > > > > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply > > > sound > > > > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound > > > common > > > > sense to following facts: > > > > > > > > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for > > > almost > > > > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the > > > > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during > > > this > > > > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable > > > > life ? > > > > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY > > > (when > > > > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it > > > > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer, > > > say > > > > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ? > > > Remember, > > > > subtleties are most important in astrology. > > > > > > > > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji > > > > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar > > > the > > > > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and > > > many > > > > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious > > > and > > > > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of > > > > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa > > > Yoga > > > > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself. > > > > > > > > P.Kumar > > > > > > > > - > > > > Suri allam > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- > > > > Astroresearch no 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Om gurave namah! > > > > Dear kandpall jee, > > > > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or > > > maladies > > > > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga. > > > how > > > > to prove that it is there or not. > > > > I think some true data will do? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Om Namah Shivai! > > > > SPI > > > > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha > > > > etc. > > > > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have > > > > something > > > > please do share. > > > > > > > > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga > > > > that > > > > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein > > > > Rahu-Ketu > > > > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga > > > > Devata is > > > > prescribed with other methods etc. > > > > > > > > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with > > > > such yogas > > > > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have > > > > prosperity > > > > of their own. > > > > > > > > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years > > > back > > > > and a > > > > number of people have been making money out of this by > > > > creating fear > > > > in people's mind. > > > > > > > > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe > > > out > > > > such > > > > myths rather than proliferating these. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Prakash Kandpal > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel > > > > <gkgoel1937@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no > > > > such > > > > thing like Kala- > > > > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas. > > > > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis > > > > it is > > > > bound to have some good or bad effects. > > > > > That is all about these yogas. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > Suri allam <ianianala@> wrote: > > > > > Om gurave Namah! > > > > > Dear gaurav jee, > > > > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and > > > how > > > > you > > > > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > I am interested in your research approach and > > > conclusion. > > > > > Om Namah Shivai! > > > > > SPI > > > > > > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote: > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > Dear Anilji, > > > > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done > > > a > > > > research > > > > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:- > > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html > > > > > I hope this helps, > > > > > Thanq, > > > > > With Humbleness, > > > > > Wish u all success, > > > > > > > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > http://gauravg.askagent.com > > > > > ------------Send messages to the group, not to > > > > me------------------ > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > Om Namah Shivai! > > SPI > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear All, What we are trying to do here is research, means reach where others have already reached and see if you can add(if possible) to it in a positive way which is of any use to the humanity. If I had a guru I would ask him/her all those questions to understand it in a better way, like I understand Science, its origin, its development and its application and remedies etc. and If the guru is true to himself will not hesitate to answer every question truthfully and at the same time forgive the desciple for asking all those questions. Like Sri Vivekanada asked every guru he met " Did you see god", in return he only got doubtful answers, but Swami Ramakrishna Pramahansa was the only one who answered " Yes" with out any doubt or guilt and rest is history. In olden days the vedas were taught by selected few to selected few verbally, same thing is true for Jyotish vidya etc. and the result is, a normal bhartiya is totally ignorant of these valuable literature and its knowlede, because it was taboo to ask questions aginst parampara, it was taken very seriously if asked questions, I am talking about ancient times, but this is 2006 pleeeeeease!!!!!! We have technology to share our views and knowledge, even Sri Sanjay rath jee while explaining moola dasa in his papers had feared for its manipulated use by few greedy and manipulative astrologers but he shares his knowledge. This fear is not without a cause, because It is Kaliyuga, people have only one reason to live, " Self and only Self". It is said that during Satyayuga, in a kingdom if one person commited a crime, whole kingdom felt responsible for it. In Tretayuga, The whole village felt responsible for the crime. In dwaparyuga, The whole family felt responsible for the crime. In Kaliyuga, The person alone is held responsible for the crime, which has made it almost impossible to judge who is real culprit and who is innocent. Speculating and manipulating the original texts is a crime, no human should ever commit. Imagine that the all the sacred knowledge was passed down to every one on equality basis and with out any pride and prejudices, today India would have been a country with vedic knowledge flowing through every soul in India and ofcourse outside, every school would have vedas as a compulsory subject with sanskrit as a main language, which not only would have given a true identity to India as a vedic country it would have strengthen the culture and brotherhood from Kashmir to Kanyakumari and beyond. Every child born in india would have proudly raised his or her head to declare they are from vedic culture. but it is not happening, because no one asked proper questions from proper gurus on proper time. So Kal Sarpa Yoga is one of it, which is being spread like wild fire and people who see this yoga in their charts are suffereing from the hype created by few, and few are having hale of time looting from these individuals. what is the use of a science, which can not invent a cure or remedy, if the disease exists, before any medicine is given the patient should know the cause and symptoms. The advantage of parampara is, the knowledge is imparted with out any change in its structure but today we have enough evidence that it looses the main information like its origin, its development and its true application because no one keeps track of the events. Result is If someone asks, how old are vedas, carbon dating scientist says about 5000 years, but a vedic scientist says it is knowledge imparted directly by god when this universe came into being, it is about On Arab 96 crore 8 lakhs 53 thousands and 2 years. As per Manu smariti. "Manu Smariti gives the proof in its chapter one,the present time of the Earth& Vedas is 7th Manvanter uptil now 6 Manvanter have passed. Those are Swayambhar, Swarochish, Ottmi, Tamas, Ryivat & Chakshash, now its 7th Manvanter. 71 Chaturyugi=1 Manvanter. There are four Yug: Satyug, Treta, Dwapur & Kaliyug. Satyug = 17 lakhs 28 thousand years Treta = 12 lakhs 96 thousand years Dwapar = 8 lakhs 64 thousand years Kaliyug = 4 lakhs 32 thousand years The total of four yugas comes to 43 lakhs & 20 thousand years which is equal to one Chaturyugi. 71 Chaturyugi i.e., 30 crore 67 lakhs & 20 thousand years equal to one Manvanter & 6 Manvanter have yet passed whose calculation comes to one Arab 84 crore 30 lakhs & 20 thousand years. This is 7th Manvanter & 28 Chaturyugi & the present Kaliyug has passed its time of 5002 years.. So uptil now the age of the earth & Vedas is one Arab 96 crore 8 lakhs 53 thousands & 2 years-Swami Ramswarup" While I was learning sanskrit(25 years back), my teacher always advised while chewing Pan, learn little to pass the examination, anyway it is of no use to you in modern world. Today I realise he was wrong. hope it is taken in its right spirit and discuss the issue to understand it better then follow it blindly, because this forum is visited by normal people like me. Thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid > wrote: HARE RAMA KRISHNA Dear Mrutyunjay, sometimes we are not able to find some answers in books etc. and then (as always) we are listening what Parampara says. There is lineage of Gurus whom we are following, who are here to guide us, and in such a knowledge we are not doubting. We can just pray to God and rishis to enlighten our path of knowledge. The one who is doubting is Rahu, and he is alwys opposing Guru..best wishes, Bojan P.S. Guruji Sanjay Rath mentiones Kala Sarpa and other Sarpa yogas in his boog Vedic Remedies, so please take it and read thoroughly. --- Anand <anand.ghurye > wrote: > Dear All , > > > I have seen this debate at many times on variety of > forums . The main argument is that none of the > classics mentions Kalsarpa yog , thus it does not > exist or is not important . > > Let us take an analogy . What is Parashara to > Jyotish , Sushrut was to surgery . In Sushrut > Samhita a number of more complicated operations > have been mentioned including plastic surgery and > eye operation . But there is no mention of heart > surgery . Why ?Did Sushrut not know anything about > heart ? Did the Indians at that time have > exceptionally good hearts which did not need any > treatment ? Did they feel heart operation was beyond > the realm of surgery knowledge of that time ? Did > lifestyle then did not encourage heart problems ? > Etc etc . > > Can we apply the same analogy to Parashara ? > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : > hmm_aha > > ------------------------- > § Training § Development § > Relationships § Synectics > > email : hmm_aha > Home page : > growthanddevelopment > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > ------------------------- > - > jyotish mrutyunjay > vedic astrology > Friday, August 11, 2006 12:34 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha- > Astroresearch no 5 > > > Dear friend, > > There is no mention of Kala Sarpa Yoga for natal > astrology. > > It is just a traunt by bad astrlogers. > > The planet that immediately comes after Rahu and > Ketu > when you go anti-zodiacally (i.e. taurus to aries) > may be a snap shot indicator of some important > good > and bad things in your life. > > For example if just after the Rahu the planet that > comes when counted anti-zodiacally is your 7th > lord > (but not eclipsed) > then the person is definitely enjoy married life. > > If the planet comeing just after Ketu is 5th lord > then > the person will get children/son after doing some > puja/remedial measures for lord Ganesh(ketu) or > with > the blessings of a Saintly man. > > Rahu = indicates our attachements > Ketu= the void or want in life as a planet of > renunciation > The Ketu or the tail of the sanke is called the > 'Sarpa' > > and the mouth of the snake i.e. Rahu is also > called > 'Kala' or the personified time. It ensures to trap > us > in its attahcment by giving some thing like > relationship/knowledge/money/status wealth etc. > just to teach a lesson > to us about the ultimate meaninglessness of these > things of attraction. > > With regards to all, > > Mrutyunjay > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Best wishes, Bojan Vidakovic http://jatavedasastro.blogspot.com/ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Om Sri gurave Namah! Dear Friends, May I add something, In that case Lal Kitab is an excellant source for remedies for misplaced Rahu and Ketu and ofcourse other planets. One interesting thing in that book is " Remedies are advised for changing the position of the planets also. :-) some remedy! BUT: Till now all cases we have seen ( KSY or KAY) have admitted that they have suffered delays, hardships all their life and I felt they were feeling suffocated due to this. Renowned personalities with this yoga also have history of sufferings and hardships, but at the end i.e. after 42-48 years things have changed and many are very sccessful at the end like Mandela. But as you said, this can also be caused by simply misplaced Rahu and Ketu, and normally people suffer because of greater expectations and smaller earnings irrespective of their planetary positions, it is true for almost everyone and life is always better after 48, with KSY or No KSY But again why planets between Rahu and Ketu in any chart are non functional for some time?. Is it mere misplaced Rahu- Ketu or again Rahu - Ketu net as some one called it. So everyone is effected by Rahu-Ketu! some grah Rahu-Ketu! Let us Keep digging!! Thanks! Om Namah Shivai! SPI jyotish mrutyunjay <astrologer_mrutyunjay > wrote: Dear friend, Is not it surprising that an important things could get inadvertently omitted by a lot of knowledgeable masters in jyotish from Parashara, Garga, Bhrigu, Narada, Jaimini down to Yavanacharya, Meenaraja, Varahamihira, Prithyuyasa,Kalyana Verma, and subsequent writers like Ganesha Daivagnya, Venkatesha Sharma and many more prominet authorities on jyotish. So what is the harm in admitting that KSY is just a misnomer. The remedial measures are usually the same for placement of ketu and rahu and their afflictions to various points of the chart. ------------------- BASED ON THE SIGNS AFFLICTED THERE ARE SOME COMMON AND EFFECTIVE REMEDIAL MEASURES FOR ALL SORTS OF NODAL AFFLICTION- AS TOLD IN 'ATHARVA JYOTISHA'- THE BRANCH OF JYOTISH OR ASTROLOGY ESPECIALLY USED BY THE ATHARVA-VEDIC BRAHMINS. -------------------- (1)DONATION OF WHITE PUMPKIN DURING ECLIPSE DAYS IN THE BANK OF HOLY RIVER OR ANY RIVER/ NATURAL WATER BODY (2)BY DOING STAMHAANA OF THESE PLANETS THROUGH MANTRA- USING 'HOOM PHAT' ADDED TO THE REGULAR MANTRA OF RAHU/ KETU. With regards, Mrutyunjay Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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