Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 dear richard sir, namaste! i heard that bangkok gems like yellow and blue sapphires are treated ones. are all bangkok gems treated? are they cheaper than srilankan ones? if the gem is of the same--yellow sapphire-does it give same effect irrespective of its origin? i think the origin matters..but you are the best judge..how can indian ruby and burmese ruby give the same result although both may be of the same gem quality, i wonder.. in mumbai, i am told by gem dealers that the bangkok sapphires are cheaper and their colour gives away after a couple of years..please comment..another thing they say is that in srilankan gems, it is very rare to find flawless clean gem..what you cannot see with a 10x, a feather or a dot, you can always detect by a 20x is what the traders say...flawed gems are speedily sold here.. your reply is eagerly awaited. wrgds aadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Dear Aadi, Namaste!!! Most corundum stones (rubies & sapphires) are heat treated the world over. Even at the mines they are heat treating, in Africa, in Sri Lanka, Thailand, everywhere. But they do not heat all of them. Some are too light color and would not improve. As everywhere Bangkok corundum gems of good quality are heated. This is permanent improvement from within the gem. It will never change. The kind of treatments that fade are like radiation. Some light yellow sapphire are iradiated to make strong yellow...this will fade away in Sun light or heat. Origin of gems is important because of the unique qualities. Like Burma rubies glow in SW UV light, by Thai rubies do not. But if 2 gems from different locations had the same qualities then there would be no difference. Indian rubies are not clear. They range from opaque to translucent, but never clear. And unless red corundum is "transparent" and clear then it is not called "ruby" but is called industrial red corundum. These stones are very bad quality, and VERY unlucky. Anyone wearing Indian ruby will be sorry. Just like it says in Sri Garuda Puranam about rubies, "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." ---Sri Garuda Puranam: Chap. 70 Bombay and Jaipur gem dealers can talk anything, but the fact is they all get their GOOD rubies and sapphires from OUTSIDE India, such as from Thailand and Sri Lanka. India has many kinds of gems in fine quality, such as Moonstone, Hessonite, etc., but apart from the exhausted Kashmir mines, all rubies and sapphires are smuggled into India. Hope this helps... Y/s, Richard sacred-objects, "aadi291" <aadi291 wrote: > > dear richard sir, namaste! > i heard that bangkok gems like yellow and blue sapphires are treated > ones. are all bangkok gems treated? are they cheaper than srilankan > ones? if the gem is of the same--yellow sapphire-does it give same > effect irrespective of its origin? i think the origin matters..but you > are the best judge..how can indian ruby and burmese ruby give the same > result although both may be of the same gem quality, i wonder.. > in mumbai, i am told by gem dealers that the bangkok sapphires are > cheaper and their colour gives away after a couple of years..please > comment..another thing they say is that in srilankan gems, it is very > rare to find flawless clean gem..what you cannot see with a 10x, a > feather or a dot, you can always detect by a 20x is what the traders > say...flawed gems are speedily sold here.. > your reply is eagerly awaited. > wrgds > aadi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Dear Richardsir, Namaste and thank you so much for your kind reply...You may be already knowing this but in Mumbai, the gem traders, big and small, say if it is a genuine stone, it will always have a feather or impurities!! I have seen clear gems but the traders themselves insist that these cannot be flawless because the higher the lens, the better the view of impurities! So 10x is not such a great criterion according to them though that is accepted worldwide..Another thing is that most people use flawed gems and claim it has suited them well...Is their some astrological criterion for this? that if jupiter is with rahu/ketu one can wear a flawed gem? I have no clue and hope you will shed light on this too..Secondly, though I and many believe that opposites should not be used, say cat's eye and ruby, or ruby and blue sapphire, i have myself seen people wearing such combos and doing fine..they vouch for these combos...your comments please... the third thing is that, like you talked about wearing in left and right hand, is there something that a pearl will give different result if it is worn in index finger? if yes, what? or a pukhraj is worn in the last finger..what about the thumb? there is no mention/talk about wearing the gem/ring in the thumb..is it because it points to the akash element? i am sorry to bother you with these but i tend to take some liberty since you very kindly reply to all the queries which, at your age and experience, might sound so naive.. with best regards aadi sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Aadi, > > Namaste!!! Most corundum stones (rubies & sapphires) are heat treated > the world over. Even at the mines they are heat treating, in Africa, > in Sri Lanka, Thailand, everywhere. But they do not heat all of them. > Some are too light color and would not improve. > > As everywhere Bangkok corundum gems of good quality are heated. This > is permanent improvement from within the gem. It will never change. > > The kind of treatments that fade are like radiation. Some light yellow > sapphire are iradiated to make strong yellow...this will fade away in > Sun light or heat. > > Origin of gems is important because of the unique qualities. Like > Burma rubies glow in SW UV light, by Thai rubies do not. But if 2 gems > from different locations had the same qualities then there would be no > difference. > > Indian rubies are not clear. They range from opaque to translucent, > but never clear. And unless red corundum is "transparent" and clear > then it is not called "ruby" but is called industrial red corundum. > These stones are very bad quality, and VERY unlucky. Anyone wearing > Indian ruby will be sorry. Just like it says in Sri Garuda Puranam > about rubies, "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has > strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous > internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, > will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." ---Sri Garuda Puranam: > Chap. 70 > > Bombay and Jaipur gem dealers can talk anything, but the fact is they all get their GOOD rubies and sapphires from OUTSIDE India, such as from Thailand and Sri Lanka. India has many kinds of gems in fine quality, such as Moonstone, Hessonite, etc., but apart from the exhausted Kashmir mines, all rubies and sapphires are smuggled into India. > > Hope this helps... > > Y/s, > Richard > > sacred-objects, "aadi291" aadi291@ wrote: > > > > dear richard sir, namaste! > > i heard that bangkok gems like yellow and blue sapphires are treated > > ones. are all bangkok gems treated? are they cheaper than srilankan > > ones? if the gem is of the same--yellow sapphire-does it give same > > effect irrespective of its origin? i think the origin matters..but you > > are the best judge..how can indian ruby and burmese ruby give the same > > result although both may be of the same gem quality, i wonder.. > > in mumbai, i am told by gem dealers that the bangkok sapphires are > > cheaper and their colour gives away after a couple of years..please > > comment..another thing they say is that in srilankan gems, it is very > > rare to find flawless clean gem..what you cannot see with a 10x, a > > feather or a dot, you can always detect by a 20x is what the traders > > say...flawed gems are speedily sold here.. > > your reply is eagerly awaited. > > wrgds > > aadi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Dear Aadi, The world of Gems is regularly flocked by gemstones with and without treatments. As Richard Ji said, the Gem rough is heat treated in almost all parts of the world. This is true. And India is no difference. In India, you can still get the rough for Jammu sapphire if you have contacts. But you will be surprised by the amount of cheating. People who sell this rough often appear as innocent Villagers. But if you get it tested from G.I.A you will see that most of the rough actually belongs to Ceylon. It is heat treated and then sold near the mining area of Jammu. The finer pieces of actual rough are taken away by M.L.A's and big shots. The next grade is taken away by Gem collectors who pay heavy price for that. The lowest grade remains for sale but that too in quantity that you will not like to purchase. Also, there is a big difference between treated and heated. The rough is always treated in most parts otherwise it remains useless. This treatment is authorized sort of treatment. The color lasts forever. The other treatment is heating treatment which enhances the color of Gemstones. This is not recommended as you will not be able to Judge the real quality of the Gem after this treatment. In Jaipur, we get Ceylonese sapphires. Also some Jewelers say that Bangkok sapphires are cheap and heated. What they generally talk about is colored sapphires which are cheap and truly treated. But actually unheated sapphires from Bangkok are as expensive as Ceylon sapphires. The other thing is that qualities are do available in Ceylon sapphires. The misconception that Ceylon sapphires do not carry good quality is not true. I have seen extremely good quality Ceylon sapphires and they generally come at heavy prices. Though only a few hold the business of good quality sapphires but still it is not difficult to procure one if you really like it. Best Regards, A.J sacred-objects, "aadi291" <aadi291 wrote: > > dear richard sir, namaste! > i heard that bangkok gems like yellow and blue sapphires are treated > ones. are all bangkok gems treated? are they cheaper than srilankan > ones? if the gem is of the same--yellow sapphire-does it give same > effect irrespective of its origin? i think the origin matters..but you > are the best judge..how can indian ruby and burmese ruby give the same > result although both may be of the same gem quality, i wonder.. > in mumbai, i am told by gem dealers that the bangkok sapphires are > cheaper and their colour gives away after a couple of years..please > comment..another thing they say is that in srilankan gems, it is very > rare to find flawless clean gem..what you cannot see with a 10x, a > feather or a dot, you can always detect by a 20x is what the traders > say...flawed gems are speedily sold here.. > your reply is eagerly awaited. > wrgds > aadi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Hrishikeshji Namaskar & Hello to Aadi, 99% of corrundum is Heat Treated. Aadi BKK is definately the hub gem trade on this planet. & Scientists alongwith Gemologist's, keep developing new treatments. One such nefarious treatment is Flux treatment in rubies, which has put the ruby gem trade in a big tangle. Infact today in India upto 80% of the rubies available are flux treated with Pb Glass, something that alters the basic nature of the gemstone. Another Nefarious treatment in Blue Sapphire is Beryllium Diffusion, which is easily detectable. But now there is a new treatment in these (Blue Sapphire) which have leading gemologists worried as they know something has been done but they are unable to determine the treatment. They go by the name Light Rim Blue Sapphires. Indian traders buy these gems because they are cheap & in India, most gem testing labs don't have a clue about these treatments. Also as a rule yellow sapphires should undergo concentrated fade testing, as the most common treatment alongwith heat enhancement is irridiation. Best Luck Abhi Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: Dear Aadi, Namaste!!! Most corundum stones (rubies & sapphires) are heat treated the world over. Even at the mines they are heat treating, in Africa, in Sri Lanka, Thailand, everywhere. But they do not heat all of them. Some are too light color and would not improve. As everywhere Bangkok corundum gems of good quality are heated. This is permanent improvement from within the gem. It will never change. The kind of treatments that fade are like radiation. Some light yellow sapphire are iradiated to make strong yellow...this will fade away in Sun light or heat. Origin of gems is important because of the unique qualities. Like Burma rubies glow in SW UV light, by Thai rubies do not. But if 2 gems from different locations had the same qualities then there would be no difference. Indian rubies are not clear. They range from opaque to translucent, but never clear. And unless red corundum is "transparent" and clear then it is not called "ruby" but is called industrial red corundum. These stones are very bad quality, and VERY unlucky. Anyone wearing Indian ruby will be sorry. Just like it says in Sri Garuda Puranam about rubies, "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." ---Sri Garuda Puranam: Chap. 70 Bombay and Jaipur gem dealers can talk anything, but the fact is they all get their GOOD rubies and sapphires from OUTSIDE India, such as from Thailand and Sri Lanka. India has many kinds of gems in fine quality, such as Moonstone, Hessonite, etc., but apart from the exhausted Kashmir mines, all rubies and sapphires are smuggled into India. Hope this helps... Y/s, Richard sacred-objects, "aadi291" <aadi291 wrote: > > dear richard sir, namaste! > i heard that bangkok gems like yellow and blue sapphires are treated > ones. are all bangkok gems treated? are they cheaper than srilankan > ones? if the gem is of the same--yellow sapphire-does it give same > effect irrespective of its origin? i think the origin matters..but you > are the best judge..how can indian ruby and burmese ruby give the same > result although both may be of the same gem quality, i wonder.. > in mumbai, i am told by gem dealers that the bangkok sapphires are > cheaper and their colour gives away after a couple of years..please > comment..another thing they say is that in srilankan gems, it is very > rare to find flawless clean gem..what you cannot see with a 10x, a > feather or a dot, you can always detect by a 20x is what the traders > say...flawed gems are speedily sold here.. > your reply is eagerly awaited. > wrgds > aadi > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Many in serious gem therapy claim that heat treated stones no longer have the proper effect. I would agree with this. What is your opinion? Thanks, Surya - Richard Shaw-Brown sacred-objects Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:29 AM Re: bangkok gems Dear Aadi, Namaste!!! Most corundum stones (rubies & sapphires) are heat treated the world over. Even at the mines they are heat treating, in Africa, in Sri Lanka, Thailand, everywhere. But they do not heat all of them. Some are too light color and would not improve. As everywhere Bangkok corundum gems of good quality are heated. This is permanent improvement from within the gem. It will never change. The kind of treatments that fade are like radiation. Some light yellow sapphire are iradiated to make strong yellow...this will fade away in Sun light or heat. Origin of gems is important because of the unique qualities. Like Burma rubies glow in SW UV light, by Thai rubies do not. But if 2 gems from different locations had the same qualities then there would be no difference. Indian rubies are not clear. They range from opaque to translucent, but never clear. And unless red corundum is "transparent" and clear then it is not called "ruby" but is called industrial red corundum. These stones are very bad quality, and VERY unlucky. Anyone wearing Indian ruby will be sorry. Just like it says in Sri Garuda Puranam about rubies, "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." ---Sri Garuda Puranam: Chap. 70 Bombay and Jaipur gem dealers can talk anything, but the fact is they all get their GOOD rubies and sapphires from OUTSIDE India, such as from Thailand and Sri Lanka. India has many kinds of gems in fine quality, such as Moonstone, Hessonite, etc., but apart from the exhausted Kashmir mines, all rubies and sapphires are smuggled into India. Hope this helps... Y/s, Richard sacred-objects, "aadi291" <aadi291 wrote: > > dear richard sir, namaste! > i heard that bangkok gems like yellow and blue sapphires are treated > ones. are all bangkok gems treated? are they cheaper than srilankan > ones? if the gem is of the same--yellow sapphire-does it give same > effect irrespective of its origin? i think the origin matters..but you > are the best judge..how can indian ruby and burmese ruby give the same > result although both may be of the same gem quality, i wonder.. > in mumbai, i am told by gem dealers that the bangkok sapphires are > cheaper and their colour gives away after a couple of years..please > comment..another thing they say is that in srilankan gems, it is very > rare to find flawless clean gem..what you cannot see with a 10x, a > feather or a dot, you can always detect by a 20x is what the traders > say...flawed gems are speedily sold here.. > your reply is eagerly awaited. > wrgds > aadi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Dear Aadi, If you want to know about Indian gem dealers I can tell you a few things. My first gemology guru was Raj Roop Tank whom I visited in Jaipur back in 1974. I still have his book, "Indian Gemology" which is English version of his Hindi book, Ratna Pariksha. It's all pretty old and dated. Like Mani Mala is practically useless these days because it is so dated and wrong in may ways. About clarity, here is an example, 30 years ago I bought a gem with a flaw. I pointed it out to the Indian dealer. He assured me it was normal and always like that. Later I was not able to sell that gem because of the flaw... so I took it back to the dealer and he refused to take it back! Why? Because, he pointed out, it had a big flaw! Another time I had sold a 100% loupe clean yellow sapphire to an American. He took to India and showed a gem dealer. The dealer informed him that he was cheated because no such quality exists in yellow sapphire. It's good we had a certificate. And finally, why don't I buy gems in India? Why is it that I never buy gems in India? Just think on that and you'll find the answer is obvious. Best rgds, Richard --- aadi291 <aadi291 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > Dear Richardsir, Namaste and thank you so much for your kind > reply...You > may be already knowing this but in Mumbai, the gem traders, big and > small, say if it is a genuine stone, it will always have a feather or > impurities!! I have seen clear gems but the traders themselves insist > that these cannot be flawless because the higher the lens, the better > the view of impurities! So 10x is not such a great criterion > according > to them though that is accepted worldwide..Another thing is that most > people use flawed gems and claim it has suited them well...Is their > some > astrological criterion for this? that if jupiter is with rahu/ketu > one > can wear a flawed gem? I have no clue and hope you will shed light on > this too..Secondly, though I and many believe that opposites should > not > be used, say cat's eye and ruby, or ruby and blue sapphire, i have > myself seen people wearing such combos and doing fine..they vouch for > these combos...your comments please... > > the third thing is that, like you talked about wearing in left and > right > hand, is there something that a pearl will give different result if > it > is worn in index finger? if yes, what? or a pukhraj is worn in the > last > finger..what about the thumb? there is no mention/talk about wearing > the > gem/ring in the thumb..is it because it points to the akash element? > > i am sorry to bother you with these but i tend to take some liberty > since you very kindly reply to all the queries which, at your age and > experience, might sound so naive.. > > with best regards > > aadi > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown" > <rsbj66 > wrote: > > > > Dear Aadi, > > > > Namaste!!! Most corundum stones (rubies & sapphires) are heat > treated > > the world over. Even at the mines they are heat treating, in > Africa, > > in Sri Lanka, Thailand, everywhere. But they do not heat all of > them. > > Some are too light color and would not improve. > > > > As everywhere Bangkok corundum gems of good quality are heated. > This > > is permanent improvement from within the gem. It will never change. > > > > The kind of treatments that fade are like radiation. Some light > yellow > > sapphire are iradiated to make strong yellow...this will fade away > in > > Sun light or heat. > > > > Origin of gems is important because of the unique qualities. Like > > Burma rubies glow in SW UV light, by Thai rubies do not. But if 2 > gems > > from different locations had the same qualities then there would be > no > > difference. > > > > Indian rubies are not clear. They range from opaque to translucent, > > but never clear. And unless red corundum is "transparent" and clear > > then it is not called "ruby" but is called industrial red corundum. > > These stones are very bad quality, and VERY unlucky. Anyone wearing > > Indian ruby will be sorry. Just like it says in Sri Garuda Puranam > > about rubies, "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it > has > > strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous > > internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull > and > > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, > > will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." ---Sri Garuda > Puranam: > > Chap. 70 > > > > Bombay and Jaipur gem dealers can talk anything, but the fact is > they > all get their GOOD rubies and sapphires from OUTSIDE India, such as > from > Thailand and Sri Lanka. India has many kinds of gems in fine quality, > such as Moonstone, Hessonite, etc., but apart from the exhausted > Kashmir > mines, all rubies and sapphires are smuggled into India. > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > Y/s, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects, "aadi291" aadi291@ wrote: > > > > > > dear richard sir, namaste! > > > i heard that bangkok gems like yellow and blue sapphires are > treated > > > ones. are all bangkok gems treated? are they cheaper than > srilankan > > > ones? if the gem is of the same--yellow sapphire-does it give > same > > > effect irrespective of its origin? i think the origin > matters..but > you > > > are the best judge..how can indian ruby and burmese ruby give the > same > > > result although both may be of the same gem quality, i wonder.. > > > in mumbai, i am told by gem dealers that the bangkok sapphires > are > > > cheaper and their colour gives away after a couple of > years..please > > > comment..another thing they say is that in srilankan gems, it is > very > > > rare to find flawless clean gem..what you cannot see with a 10x, > a > > > feather or a dot, you can always detect by a 20x is what the > traders > > > say...flawed gems are speedily sold here.. > > > your reply is eagerly awaited. > > > wrgds > > > aadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Dear Surya, Namaste!!! Yes, many, myself included, do not like burned gems. But as far as the reality, I have seen people benefit greatly using gems most probably heat treated. We have also seen people benefit greatly while using no stone at all. From a scientific point of view it is not possible to prove that a gem has any power, and it is not possible to prove that a gem has no power. From a shastric view there is only one reference to this in the entire Vedic literature, that is a mention against heating made in the Blue Sapphire Chapter of Sri Garuda Puranam. From a personal point of view I would not use a blue sapphire that was heat treated. In fact, I would never use an unheated blue sapphire either. Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > Many in serious gem therapy claim that heat treated stones no longer have the proper effect. I would agree with this. What is your opinion? > > Thanks, > > Surya > - > Richard Shaw-Brown > sacred-objects > Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:29 AM > Re: bangkok gems > > > Dear Aadi, > > Namaste!!! Most corundum stones (rubies & sapphires) are heat treated > the world over. Even at the mines they are heat treating, in Africa, > in Sri Lanka, Thailand, everywhere. But they do not heat all of them. > Some are too light color and would not improve. > > As everywhere Bangkok corundum gems of good quality are heated. This > is permanent improvement from within the gem. It will never change. > > The kind of treatments that fade are like radiation. Some light yellow > sapphire are iradiated to make strong yellow...this will fade away in > Sun light or heat. > > Origin of gems is important because of the unique qualities. Like > Burma rubies glow in SW UV light, by Thai rubies do not. But if 2 gems > from different locations had the same qualities then there would be no > difference. > > Indian rubies are not clear. They range from opaque to translucent, > but never clear. And unless red corundum is "transparent" and clear > then it is not called "ruby" but is called industrial red corundum. > These stones are very bad quality, and VERY unlucky. Anyone wearing > Indian ruby will be sorry. Just like it says in Sri Garuda Puranam > about rubies, "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has > strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous > internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, > will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." ---Sri Garuda Puranam: > Chap. 70 > > Bombay and Jaipur gem dealers can talk anything, but the fact is they all get their GOOD rubies and sapphires from OUTSIDE India, such as from Thailand and Sri Lanka. India has many kinds of gems in fine quality, such as Moonstone, Hessonite, etc., but apart from the exhausted Kashmir mines, all rubies and sapphires are smuggled into India. > > Hope this helps... > > Y/s, > Richard > > sacred-objects, "aadi291" <aadi291@> wrote: > > > > dear richard sir, namaste! > > i heard that bangkok gems like yellow and blue sapphires are treated > > ones. are all bangkok gems treated? are they cheaper than srilankan > > ones? if the gem is of the same--yellow sapphire-does it give same > > effect irrespective of its origin? i think the origin matters..but you > > are the best judge..how can indian ruby and burmese ruby give the same > > result although both may be of the same gem quality, i wonder.. > > in mumbai, i am told by gem dealers that the bangkok sapphires are > > cheaper and their colour gives away after a couple of years..please > > comment..another thing they say is that in srilankan gems, it is very > > rare to find flawless clean gem..what you cannot see with a 10x, a > > feather or a dot, you can always detect by a 20x is what the traders > > say...flawed gems are speedily sold here.. > > your reply is eagerly awaited. > > wrgds > > aadi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Dear Richard Ji, Can you provide me email address of Mr.Barot who has published the addition of Mani Mala ?. Actually we had one copy which was stolen from our Jaipur office. We need to buy this again. If you have any other resource who can help us then please provide the address. What should be the cost of this book ? Regards, Alok Jagawat sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Surya, > > Namaste!!! Yes, many, myself included, do not like burned gems. But as > far as the reality, I have seen people benefit greatly using gems most > probably heat treated. We have also seen people benefit greatly while > using no stone at all. From a scientific point of view it is not > possible to prove that a gem has any power, and it is not possible to > prove that a gem has no power. From a shastric view there is only one > reference to this in the entire Vedic literature, that is a mention > against heating made in the Blue Sapphire Chapter of Sri Garuda > Puranam. From a personal point of view I would not use a blue sapphire > that was heat treated. In fact, I would never use an unheated blue > sapphire either. > > Best rgds, > Richard > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > wrote: > > > > Many in serious gem therapy claim that heat treated stones no longer > have the proper effect. I would agree with this. What is your opinion? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Surya > > - > > Richard Shaw-Brown > > sacred-objects > > Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:29 AM > > Re: bangkok gems > > > > > > Dear Aadi, > > > > Namaste!!! Most corundum stones (rubies & sapphires) are heat treated > > the world over. Even at the mines they are heat treating, in Africa, > > in Sri Lanka, Thailand, everywhere. But they do not heat all of them. > > Some are too light color and would not improve. > > > > As everywhere Bangkok corundum gems of good quality are heated. This > > is permanent improvement from within the gem. It will never change. > > > > The kind of treatments that fade are like radiation. Some light yellow > > sapphire are iradiated to make strong yellow...this will fade away in > > Sun light or heat. > > > > Origin of gems is important because of the unique qualities. Like > > Burma rubies glow in SW UV light, by Thai rubies do not. But if 2 gems > > from different locations had the same qualities then there would be no > > difference. > > > > Indian rubies are not clear. They range from opaque to translucent, > > but never clear. And unless red corundum is "transparent" and clear > > then it is not called "ruby" but is called industrial red corundum. > > These stones are very bad quality, and VERY unlucky. Anyone wearing > > Indian ruby will be sorry. Just like it says in Sri Garuda Puranam > > about rubies, "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has > > strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous > > internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and > > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, > > will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." ---Sri Garuda Puranam: > > Chap. 70 > > > > Bombay and Jaipur gem dealers can talk anything, but the fact is > they all get their GOOD rubies and sapphires from OUTSIDE India, such > as from Thailand and Sri Lanka. India has many kinds of gems in fine > quality, such as Moonstone, Hessonite, etc., but apart from the > exhausted Kashmir mines, all rubies and sapphires are smuggled into India. > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > Y/s, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects, "aadi291" <aadi291@> wrote: > > > > > > dear richard sir, namaste! > > > i heard that bangkok gems like yellow and blue sapphires are > treated > > > ones. are all bangkok gems treated? are they cheaper than srilankan > > > ones? if the gem is of the same--yellow sapphire-does it give same > > > effect irrespective of its origin? i think the origin > matters..but you > > > are the best judge..how can indian ruby and burmese ruby give > the same > > > result although both may be of the same gem quality, i wonder.. > > > in mumbai, i am told by gem dealers that the bangkok sapphires are > > > cheaper and their colour gives away after a couple of years..please > > > comment..another thing they say is that in srilankan gems, it is > very > > > rare to find flawless clean gem..what you cannot see with a 10x, a > > > feather or a dot, you can always detect by a 20x is what the > traders > > > say...flawed gems are speedily sold here.. > > > your reply is eagerly awaited. > > > wrgds > > > aadi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Dear Alok, Namaste!!! Here is the last known address for Dr. Barot. I wrote long ago and got no reply. He was selling MMala for $200. I have read the entire MM which is in posession of a Gemologist friend. The first half is all outdated mundane gemology; the 2nd half is all strange stuff, like weird Planetary Associations, and stuff like how to worship different Deities with gems. Mani Mala is a famous but mostly useless book. But please let me know if you hear from Dr Barot... ---Dr. Nandkishor A. Barot, P.O. Box 47928, Nairobi, Kenya Y/s, Richard sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat wrote: > > Dear Richard Ji, > > Can you provide me email address of Mr.Barot who has published the > addition of Mani Mala ?. Actually we had one copy which was stolen > from our Jaipur office. > > We need to buy this again. If you have any other resource who can > help us then please provide the address. What should be the cost of > this book ? > > Regards, > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown" > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Surya, > > > > Namaste!!! Yes, many, myself included, do not like burned gems. > But as > > far as the reality, I have seen people benefit greatly using gems > most > > probably heat treated. We have also seen people benefit greatly > while > > using no stone at all. From a scientific point of view it is not > > possible to prove that a gem has any power, and it is not possible > to > > prove that a gem has no power. From a shastric view there is only > one > > reference to this in the entire Vedic literature, that is a mention > > against heating made in the Blue Sapphire Chapter of Sri Garuda > > Puranam. From a personal point of view I would not use a blue > sapphire > > that was heat treated. In fact, I would never use an unheated blue > > sapphire either. > > > > Best rgds, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Many in serious gem therapy claim that heat treated stones no > longer > > have the proper effect. I would agree with this. What is your > opinion? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Surya > > > - > > > Richard Shaw-Brown > > > sacred-objects > > > Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:29 AM > > > Re: bangkok gems > > > > > > > > > Dear Aadi, > > > > > > Namaste!!! Most corundum stones (rubies & sapphires) are heat > treated > > > the world over. Even at the mines they are heat treating, in > Africa, > > > in Sri Lanka, Thailand, everywhere. But they do not heat all > of them. > > > Some are too light color and would not improve. > > > > > > As everywhere Bangkok corundum gems of good quality are > heated. This > > > is permanent improvement from within the gem. It will never > change. > > > > > > The kind of treatments that fade are like radiation. Some > light yellow > > > sapphire are iradiated to make strong yellow...this will fade > away in > > > Sun light or heat. > > > > > > Origin of gems is important because of the unique qualities. > Like > > > Burma rubies glow in SW UV light, by Thai rubies do not. But > if 2 gems > > > from different locations had the same qualities then there > would be no > > > difference. > > > > > > Indian rubies are not clear. They range from opaque to > translucent, > > > but never clear. And unless red corundum is "transparent" and > clear > > > then it is not called "ruby" but is called industrial red > corundum. > > > These stones are very bad quality, and VERY unlucky. Anyone > wearing > > > Indian ruby will be sorry. Just like it says in Sri Garuda > Puranam > > > about rubies, "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if > it has > > > strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous > > > internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is > dull and > > > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of > ignorance, > > > will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." ---Sri Garuda > Puranam: > > > Chap. 70 > > > > > > Bombay and Jaipur gem dealers can talk anything, but the fact > is > > they all get their GOOD rubies and sapphires from OUTSIDE India, > such > > as from Thailand and Sri Lanka. India has many kinds of gems in > fine > > quality, such as Moonstone, Hessonite, etc., but apart from the > > exhausted Kashmir mines, all rubies and sapphires are smuggled > into India. > > > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > > > Y/s, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects, "aadi291" <aadi291@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear richard sir, namaste! > > > > i heard that bangkok gems like yellow and blue sapphires are > > treated > > > > ones. are all bangkok gems treated? are they cheaper than > srilankan > > > > ones? if the gem is of the same--yellow sapphire-does it > give same > > > > effect irrespective of its origin? i think the origin > > matters..but you > > > > are the best judge..how can indian ruby and burmese ruby give > > the same > > > > result although both may be of the same gem quality, i > wonder.. > > > > in mumbai, i am told by gem dealers that the bangkok > sapphires are > > > > cheaper and their colour gives away after a couple of > years..please > > > > comment..another thing they say is that in srilankan gems, > it is > > very > > > > rare to find flawless clean gem..what you cannot see with a > 10x, a > > > > feather or a dot, you can always detect by a 20x is what the > > traders > > > > say...flawed gems are speedily sold here.. > > > > your reply is eagerly awaited. > > > > wrgds > > > > aadi > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 And its like that with buying almost anything in India, almost anywhere in India. Surya - Richard Shaw Brown sacred-objects Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:27 AM Re: Re: bangkok gems Dear Aadi, If you want to know about Indian gem dealers I can tell you a few things. My first gemology guru was Raj Roop Tank whom I visited in Jaipur back in 1974. I still have his book, "Indian Gemology" which is English version of his Hindi book, Ratna Pariksha. It's all pretty old and dated. Like Mani Mala is practically useless these days because it is so dated and wrong in may ways. About clarity, here is an example, 30 years ago I bought a gem with a flaw. I pointed it out to the Indian dealer. He assured me it was normal and always like that. Later I was not able to sell that gem because of the flaw... so I took it back to the dealer and he refused to take it back! Why? Because, he pointed out, it had a big flaw! Another time I had sold a 100% loupe clean yellow sapphire to an American. He took to India and showed a gem dealer. The dealer informed him that he was cheated because no such quality exists in yellow sapphire. It's good we had a certificate. And finally, why don't I buy gems in India? Why is it that I never buy gems in India? Just think on that and you'll find the answer is obvious. Best rgds, Richard --- aadi291 <aadi291 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > Dear Richardsir, Namaste and thank you so much for your kind > reply...You > may be already knowing this but in Mumbai, the gem traders, big and > small, say if it is a genuine stone, it will always have a feather or > impurities!! I have seen clear gems but the traders themselves insist > that these cannot be flawless because the higher the lens, the better > the view of impurities! So 10x is not such a great criterion > according > to them though that is accepted worldwide..Another thing is that most > people use flawed gems and claim it has suited them well...Is their > some > astrological criterion for this? that if jupiter is with rahu/ketu > one > can wear a flawed gem? I have no clue and hope you will shed light on > this too..Secondly, though I and many believe that opposites should > not > be used, say cat's eye and ruby, or ruby and blue sapphire, i have > myself seen people wearing such combos and doing fine..they vouch for > these combos...your comments please... > > the third thing is that, like you talked about wearing in left and > right > hand, is there something that a pearl will give different result if > it > is worn in index finger? if yes, what? or a pukhraj is worn in the > last > finger..what about the thumb? there is no mention/talk about wearing > the > gem/ring in the thumb..is it because it points to the akash element? > > i am sorry to bother you with these but i tend to take some liberty > since you very kindly reply to all the queries which, at your age and > experience, might sound so naive.. > > with best regards > > aadi > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown" > <rsbj66 > wrote: > > > > Dear Aadi, > > > > Namaste!!! Most corundum stones (rubies & sapphires) are heat > treated > > the world over. Even at the mines they are heat treating, in > Africa, > > in Sri Lanka, Thailand, everywhere. But they do not heat all of > them. > > Some are too light color and would not improve. > > > > As everywhere Bangkok corundum gems of good quality are heated. > This > > is permanent improvement from within the gem. It will never change. > > > > The kind of treatments that fade are like radiation. Some light > yellow > > sapphire are iradiated to make strong yellow...this will fade away > in > > Sun light or heat. > > > > Origin of gems is important because of the unique qualities. Like > > Burma rubies glow in SW UV light, by Thai rubies do not. But if 2 > gems > > from different locations had the same qualities then there would be > no > > difference. > > > > Indian rubies are not clear. They range from opaque to translucent, > > but never clear. And unless red corundum is "transparent" and clear > > then it is not called "ruby" but is called industrial red corundum. > > These stones are very bad quality, and VERY unlucky. Anyone wearing > > Indian ruby will be sorry. Just like it says in Sri Garuda Puranam > > about rubies, "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it > has > > strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous > > internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull > and > > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, > > will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." ---Sri Garuda > Puranam: > > Chap. 70 > > > > Bombay and Jaipur gem dealers can talk anything, but the fact is > they > all get their GOOD rubies and sapphires from OUTSIDE India, such as > from > Thailand and Sri Lanka. India has many kinds of gems in fine quality, > such as Moonstone, Hessonite, etc., but apart from the exhausted > Kashmir > mines, all rubies and sapphires are smuggled into India. > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > Y/s, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects, "aadi291" aadi291@ wrote: > > > > > > dear richard sir, namaste! > > > i heard that bangkok gems like yellow and blue sapphires are > treated > > > ones. are all bangkok gems treated? are they cheaper than > srilankan > > > ones? if the gem is of the same--yellow sapphire-does it give > same > > > effect irrespective of its origin? i think the origin > matters..but > you > > > are the best judge..how can indian ruby and burmese ruby give the > same > > > result although both may be of the same gem quality, i wonder.. > > > in mumbai, i am told by gem dealers that the bangkok sapphires > are > > > cheaper and their colour gives away after a couple of > years..please > > > comment..another thing they say is that in srilankan gems, it is > very > > > rare to find flawless clean gem..what you cannot see with a 10x, > a > > > feather or a dot, you can always detect by a 20x is what the > traders > > > say...flawed gems are speedily sold here.. > > > your reply is eagerly awaited. > > > wrgds > > > aadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 OK. Thanks. Interesting. Surya - Richard Shaw-Brown sacred-objects Thursday, August 31, 2006 3:44 AM Re: bangkok gems Dear Surya, Namaste!!! Yes, many, myself included, do not like burned gems. But as far as the reality, I have seen people benefit greatly using gems most probably heat treated. We have also seen people benefit greatly while using no stone at all. From a scientific point of view it is not possible to prove that a gem has any power, and it is not possible to prove that a gem has no power. From a shastric view there is only one reference to this in the entire Vedic literature, that is a mention against heating made in the Blue Sapphire Chapter of Sri Garuda Puranam. From a personal point of view I would not use a blue sapphire that was heat treated. In fact, I would never use an unheated blue sapphire either. Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > Many in serious gem therapy claim that heat treated stones no longer have the proper effect. I would agree with this. What is your opinion? > > Thanks, > > Surya > - > Richard Shaw-Brown > sacred-objects > Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:29 AM > Re: bangkok gems > > > Dear Aadi, > > Namaste!!! Most corundum stones (rubies & sapphires) are heat treated > the world over. Even at the mines they are heat treating, in Africa, > in Sri Lanka, Thailand, everywhere. But they do not heat all of them. > Some are too light color and would not improve. > > As everywhere Bangkok corundum gems of good quality are heated. This > is permanent improvement from within the gem. It will never change. > > The kind of treatments that fade are like radiation. Some light yellow > sapphire are iradiated to make strong yellow...this will fade away in > Sun light or heat. > > Origin of gems is important because of the unique qualities. Like > Burma rubies glow in SW UV light, by Thai rubies do not. But if 2 gems > from different locations had the same qualities then there would be no > difference. > > Indian rubies are not clear. They range from opaque to translucent, > but never clear. And unless red corundum is "transparent" and clear > then it is not called "ruby" but is called industrial red corundum. > These stones are very bad quality, and VERY unlucky. Anyone wearing > Indian ruby will be sorry. Just like it says in Sri Garuda Puranam > about rubies, "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has > strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous > internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, > will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." ---Sri Garuda Puranam: > Chap. 70 > > Bombay and Jaipur gem dealers can talk anything, but the fact is they all get their GOOD rubies and sapphires from OUTSIDE India, such as from Thailand and Sri Lanka. India has many kinds of gems in fine quality, such as Moonstone, Hessonite, etc., but apart from the exhausted Kashmir mines, all rubies and sapphires are smuggled into India.. > > Hope this helps... > > Y/s, > Richard > > sacred-objects, "aadi291" <aadi291@> wrote: > > > > dear richard sir, namaste! > > i heard that bangkok gems like yellow and blue sapphires are treated > > ones. are all bangkok gems treated? are they cheaper than srilankan > > ones? if the gem is of the same--yellow sapphire-does it give same > > effect irrespective of its origin? i think the origin matters..but you > > are the best judge..how can indian ruby and burmese ruby give the same > > result although both may be of the same gem quality, i wonder.. > > in mumbai, i am told by gem dealers that the bangkok sapphires are > > cheaper and their colour gives away after a couple of years..please > > comment..another thing they say is that in srilankan gems, it is very > > rare to find flawless clean gem..what you cannot see with a 10x, a > > feather or a dot, you can always detect by a 20x is what the traders > > say...flawed gems are speedily sold here.. > > your reply is eagerly awaited. > > wrgds > > aadi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Hello All, I have no knowledge of purana which mentions the right use of gems. But I have been wearing a cultured/artficial/ blue sapphire thats absolutely transperant and it has greatly benifitted me. My brother who had flunked his 12th grade in a very miserable manner is wearing an artficial yellow sapphire and through his college he as topped being a merit list holder and state level. My friend who did not complete his education due to a one sided love affair :-) was running a small grocery in loss. any thing he touched turned to flint. Wore an artificial red ruby and he has greatly benifited. within a year got married, bought a nice luxury car and has been running a very succesfull transportation business. In all three cases I had bought the stone. The cost of the three stones together was not more than Rs.200 and the returns that i see are unbelievable. As far as corundum is concerned I perhaps have come to an opinion that rather then wearing a low quality natural/true gem its astrologically more beneficial to use an artificial on. As far as the chemical/atomic structure is in place the gem would be beneficial. Is anyone aware of methods used to create atomically correct gems during the Puranic age? If so i would be very delighted to know. Regards, Jay Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Hi Jay: I got to weigh in on this one... I have had a couple of occasions where folks with synthetics have thought they were effective as natural gems and claimed all sorts of wonderful benefits, but once their charts were correctly delineated the gems were really doing nothing at all. It was clear after correct analysis that these wonderful effects were promised in their chart and given in the proper dasha. One case I am very familiar, a client was wearing a synthetic blue sapphire and was convinced to trade it out for a flawless natural with devastating results, as blue sapphire was the most malefic planet for them, his mother died within days of putting it on and his family was scattered to the four winds. His chart showed trouble during this time in this regard but not to the degree of tragedy of all that. You see, with synthetics, you might as well wear paste. It is more of a case of faith healing and misunderstanding of proper chart synthesis that synthetics have any value as astral remedies, but because of that they can do no harm either. First and foremost, synthetics are not part of the Devas body and are unsuitable as remedies. Put up the charts and actual events for the membership to see and comment on if you truly believe synthetics have value as remedies. I would like to be convinced myself, because for the minimal sum of 200 rupees (less than $5 USD) per person in the world we could alleviate much suffering. Never wear stones of poor quality as they attract misfortune. In the spirit of knowledge, Blessings, Allen www.allentefftjewelry.com sacred-objects, Jay Munshi <jaymunshi wrote: > > Hello All, > > I have no knowledge of purana which mentions the right use of gems. But I have been wearing a cultured/artficial/ blue sapphire thats absolutely transperant and it has greatly benifitted me. > > My brother who had flunked his 12th grade in a very miserable manner is wearing an artficial yellow sapphire and through his college he as topped being a merit list holder and state level. > > My friend who did not complete his education due to a one sided love affair :-) was running a small grocery in loss. any thing he touched turned to flint. Wore an artificial red ruby and he has greatly benifited. within a year got married, bought a nice luxury car and has been running a very succesfull transportation business. > > In all three cases I had bought the stone. The cost of the three stones together was not more than Rs.200 and the returns that i see are unbelievable. As far as corundum is concerned I perhaps have come to an opinion that rather then wearing a low quality natural/true gem its astrologically more beneficial to use an artificial on. As far as the chemical/atomic structure is in place the gem would be beneficial. > > Is anyone aware of methods used to create atomically correct gems during the Puranic age? If so i would be very delighted to know. > > Regards, > Jay > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 A Warm Hello to Jay, Jay, at times grace only needs a small window to flow. Even the highest quality loupe clean untreated gems are useless, if grace/blessings are not present. Will & Grace are the two gems we need most. <jaymunshi > wrote: Hello All, I have no knowledge of purana which mentions the right use of gems. But I have been wearing a cultured/artficial/ blue sapphire thats absolutely transperant and it has greatly benifitted me. My brother who had flunked his 12th grade in a very miserable manner is wearing an artficial yellow sapphire and through his college he as topped being a merit list holder and state level. My friend who did not complete his education due to a one sided love affair :-) was running a small grocery in loss. any thing he touched turned to flint. Wore an artificial red ruby and he has greatly benifited. within a year got married, bought a nice luxury car and has been running a very succesfull transportation business. In all three cases I had bought the stone. The cost of the three stones together was not more than Rs.200 and the returns that i see are unbelievable. As far as corundum is concerned I perhaps have come to an opinion that rather then wearing a low quality natural/true gem its astrologically more beneficial to use an artificial on. As far as the chemical/atomic structure is in place the gem would be beneficial. Is anyone aware of methods used to create atomically correct gems during the Puranic age? If so i would be very delighted to know. Regards, Jay Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 I agree completely with Allen on this issue of synthetics. People get good results when they are in a good period, and visa versa. In many ways a real "gem" is as much a "symbol" of good luck as the cause of it. The person's karma changes for the better, and things improve, gem or no gem. Rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "Allen" <jyoteekat wrote: > > Hi Jay: > > I got to weigh in on this one... > I have had a couple of occasions where folks with synthetics have > thought they were effective as natural gems and claimed all sorts of > wonderful benefits, but once their charts were correctly delineated > the gems were really doing nothing at all. It was clear after correct > analysis that these wonderful effects were promised in their chart and > given in the proper dasha. One case I am very familiar, a client was > wearing a synthetic blue sapphire and was convinced to trade it out > for a flawless natural with devastating results, as blue sapphire was > the most malefic planet for them, his mother died within days of > putting it on and his family was scattered to the four winds. His > chart showed trouble during this time in this regard but not to the > degree of tragedy of all that. > > You see, with synthetics, you might as well wear paste. It is more of > a case of faith healing and misunderstanding of proper chart synthesis > that synthetics have any value as astral remedies, but because of that > they can do no harm either. > > First and foremost, synthetics are not part of the Devas body and are > unsuitable as remedies. > > Put up the charts and actual events for the membership to see and > comment on if you truly believe synthetics have value as remedies. I > would like to be convinced myself, because for the minimal sum of 200 > rupees (less than $5 USD) per person in the world we could alleviate > much suffering. > > Never wear stones of poor quality as they attract misfortune. > > In the spirit of knowledge, Blessings, > Allen > > www.allentefftjewelry.com > > > > > sacred-objects, Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@> wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > I have no knowledge of purana which mentions the right use of > gems. But I have been wearing a cultured/artficial/ blue sapphire > thats absolutely transperant and it has greatly benifitted me. > > > > My brother who had flunked his 12th grade in a very miserable > manner is wearing an artficial yellow sapphire and through his college > he as topped being a merit list holder and state level. > > > > My friend who did not complete his education due to a one sided > love affair :-) was running a small grocery in loss. any thing he > touched turned to flint. Wore an artificial red ruby and he has > greatly benifited. within a year got married, bought a nice luxury car > and has been running a very succesfull transportation business. > > > > In all three cases I had bought the stone. The cost of the three > stones together was not more than Rs.200 and the returns that i see > are unbelievable. As far as corundum is concerned I perhaps have come > to an opinion that rather then wearing a low quality natural/true gem > its astrologically more beneficial to use an artificial on. As far as > the chemical/atomic structure is in place the gem would be beneficial. > > > > Is anyone aware of methods used to create atomically correct gems > during the Puranic age? If so i would be very delighted to know. > > > > Regards, > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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