Pitri Dosha/Shapa/Badhaka (RE: Pitri Shapa - Saturn conjunct nodes)

[Guest guest]

Dear Vistiji, Namaskar.

I have been following this thread on Pitri dosha with interest because I have Saturn/Rahu conjunction in lagna (3rd from AL). Also Guru is in 6th from AL in rasi chart. In addition all the planets are in 3,6,8 and 9th from AL.

I am still trying to figure out what applies to me. I would appreciate if you can make some comments.

Nov 18, 1944, 20:47, 70E27, 21N44

Regards,

Pratap

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Students, Namaskar

Some clarification is needed. Dosha is an affliction due to circumstances or sorrow which doens't arise due to evil-deeds, but mistakes and bad lifestyle. If you don't brush your teeth, they will become weak and fall out - this is dosha or weakness/affliction. A shaapa happens if you knock someone elses teeth out - this earns you a shaapa or curse.

A Pitri Shaapa happens when the Sun is involved in a curse. I.e. afflicted by two or more malefics. This usually causes suffering to the father or paternal relatives. The problem will specifically come from the house where the Sun is placed. I.e. in the chart of Sri Rama, the Sun is afflicted in the tenth house, and Sri Ramas father had to see the sorrow of his son being exhiled, and not being there at his death-bed. The issue was the kingdom/throne itself which is seen from the tenth house placement of the Sun (in simhasana yoga).

A Pitri Dosha happens when the ancestors are unhappy, and occurs when the nodes (spirits/the dead) are joined Saturn, showing the sorrow of the dead afflicting oneself. Should Mars instead join a node, then its the anger of the dead (pisacha dosha). This causes yogas involved with these yogas to be stuck and/or not arise. The life is a constant effort to overcome a debt of sorts.

The remedy for the former (shani-node yoga) lies in offering water to the pitris with the Astakshari-Suryaaditya mantra: Om Ghrini SuryaAaditya||

Then there is Pitri badhaka, where the native earns the anger or sorrow of their parents in this life itself, and this causes obstacles to their succes. This happens when the Badhaka is associated with the Sun (father) or Moon (mother) as these are ALSO associated with Saturn (sorrow) or Mars (anger) in rasi or navamsa.

All these relate to ones ancestors, parents and forefathers, and should not be confused with the word 'Putra' which means children, or 'Preta' which means the dead, or deceased.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

***

 

 

 

[] On Behalf Of Samir Shah

27 August 2006 10:03

 

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Pitri Shapa - Saturn conjunct nodes

 

 

|| hare räma kåñna ||

 

Dear SK, Namaskar

 

1) Would the curse also be present in case the dristi of two or more

malefics on a malefic?

[samir] Yes. But the operating curse will be that of the most benefic planet that is thus afflicted.

 

If Saturn is conjunct Rahu, then there is 7th house aspect of these

two malefics on Ketu by default. Should Ketu be considered as

causing curse then?

[samir] Yes. This would be a curse of Naagas/Sadhus.

 

For example: In Sri Rama's chart, the malefic aspects of Saturn and

Mars on Sun in 10th house. Would this indicate a curse or not? ( I

understand that only one curse will operate in the chart. So, in

case no other curses are present, will this cause suffering?)

[samir] Yes - Sri Rama has a Matri-shaapa and Pitri-shaapa as well. But Jupiter being the most benefic, the Brahmin shaapa was the main one. However, the effects of the other two were also felt.

 

2) What if benefic aspects are also present in addition to the

malefic aspects? Then would there still be the curse or not?

[samir] There would still be a curse. Benefics having graha dristi would have the desire to help, however.

 

I hope that helps,

 

Best wishes,

 

Samir

[Guest guest]

|OM GURAVE NAMAH|

Pranaam Visti ji,

 

A few questions:

 

1. What is the remedy for pishacha dosha? I have Ma conjunct Ke in

6th house with badhaka Me (exchanging 6th lord Su).

 

2. You have mentioned that Pitri shaapa causes suffering to father

or paternal relatives. If a child has pitri shaapa and the

father/paternal relatives do not have a curse in the chart, then how

do we explain this from a karma point of view. Intuitively, I would

say that although the father/paternal relative had good prarabdha

karma, bad karma in this life led him to have a child with pitri

shaapa...... Am I way off.

 

Please do respond.

Regards

Supriti

 

 

, Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria

wrote:

>

> Dear Vistiji, Namaskar.

>

> I have been following this thread on Pitri dosha with interest

because I have Saturn/Rahu conjunction in lagna (3rd from AL). Also

Guru is in 6th from AL in rasi chart. In addition all the planets are

in 3,6,8 and 9th from AL.

>

> I am still trying to figure out what applies to me. I would

appreciate if you can make some comments.

>

> Nov 18, 1944, 20:47, 70E27, 21N44

>

> Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

> Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> Dear Students, Namaskar

> Some clarification is needed. Dosha is an affliction due to

circumstances or sorrow which doens't arise due to evil-deeds, but

mistakes and bad lifestyle. If you don't brush your teeth, they will

become weak and fall out - this is dosha or weakness/affliction. A

shaapa happens if you knock someone elses teeth out - this earns you

a shaapa or curse.

>

> A Pitri Shaapa happens when the Sun is involved in a curse. I.e.

afflicted by two or more malefics. This usually causes suffering to

the father or paternal relatives. The problem will specifically come

from the house where the Sun is placed. I.e. in the chart of Sri

Rama, the Sun is afflicted in the tenth house, and Sri Ramas father

had to see the sorrow of his son being exhiled, and not being there

at his death-bed. The issue was the kingdom/throne itself which is

seen from the tenth house placement of the Sun (in simhasana yoga).

>

> A Pitri Dosha happens when the ancestors are unhappy, and occurs

when the nodes (spirits/the dead) are joined Saturn, showing the

sorrow of the dead afflicting oneself. Should Mars instead join a

node, then its the anger of the dead (pisacha dosha). This causes

yogas involved with these yogas to be stuck and/or not arise. The

life is a constant effort to overcome a debt of sorts.

> The remedy for the former (shani-node yoga) lies in offering

water to the pitris with the Astakshari-Suryaaditya mantra: Om Ghrini

SuryaAaditya||

>

> Then there is Pitri badhaka, where the native earns the anger or

sorrow of their parents in this life itself, and this causes

obstacles to their succes. This happens when the Badhaka is

associated with the Sun (father) or Moon (mother) as these are ALSO

associated with Saturn (sorrow) or Mars (anger) in rasi or navamsa.

>

> All these relate to ones ancestors, parents and forefathers, and

should not be confused with the word 'Putra' which means children,

or 'Preta' which means the dead, or deceased.

> Best wishes,

> ***

> Visti Larsen

> For services and articles visit:

> http://srigaruda.com

>

> ***

>

>

>

>

>

>

[] On Behalf Of Samir Shah

> 27 August 2006 10:03

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Pitri Shapa - Saturn conjunct nodes

>

>

>

> || hare räma kåñna ||

>

> Dear SK, Namaskar

>

> 1) Would the curse also be present in case the dristi of two or

more

> malefics on a malefic?

> [samir] Yes. But the operating curse will be that of the most

benefic planet that is thus afflicted.

>

> If Saturn is conjunct Rahu, then there is 7th house aspect of

these

> two malefics on Ketu by default. Should Ketu be considered as

> causing curse then?

> [samir] Yes. This would be a curse of Naagas/Sadhus.

>

> For example: In Sri Rama's chart, the malefic aspects of Saturn

and

> Mars on Sun in 10th house. Would this indicate a curse or not? ( I

> understand that only one curse will operate in the chart. So, in

> case no other curses are present, will this cause suffering?)

> [samir] Yes - Sri Rama has a Matri-shaapa and Pitri-shaapa as

well. But Jupiter being the most benefic, the Brahmin shaapa was the

main one. However, the effects of the other two were also felt.

>

> 2) What if benefic aspects are also present in addition to the

> malefic aspects? Then would there still be the curse or not?

> [samir] There would still be a curse. Benefics having graha dristi

would have the desire to help, however.

>

> I hope that helps,

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Samir and Visti, Namaskar,

 

I thank you for your kind response and clarifying my doubts. The

discussion among other respected members have raised more questions

in my limited knowledge and answered a few.

 

I appreciate the enthusiasm of the members in sharing their

knowledge.

 

Thanks again,

best regards,

SK

 

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti

wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> Dear Students, Namaskar

> Some clarification is needed. Dosha is an affliction due to

circumstances or

> sorrow which doens't arise due to evil-deeds, but mistakes and bad

> lifestyle. If you don't brush your teeth, they will become weak

and fall out

> - this is dosha or weakness/affliction. A shaapa happens if you

knock

> someone elses teeth out - this earns you a shaapa or curse.

>

> A Pitri Shaapa happens when the Sun is involved in a curse. I.e.

afflicted

> by two or more malefics. This usually causes suffering to the

father or

> paternal relatives. The problem will specifically come from the

house where

> the Sun is placed. I.e. in the chart of Sri Rama, the Sun is

afflicted in

> the tenth house, and Sri Ramas father had to see the sorrow of his

son being

> exhiled, and not being there at his death-bed. The issue was the

> kingdom/throne itself which is seen from the tenth house placement

of the

> Sun (in simhasana yoga).

>

> A Pitri Dosha happens when the ancestors are unhappy, and occurs

when the

> nodes (spirits/the dead) are joined Saturn, showing the sorrow of

the dead

> afflicting oneself. Should Mars instead join a node, then its the

anger of

> the dead (pisacha dosha). This causes yogas involved with these

yogas to be

> stuck and/or not arise. The life is a constant effort to overcome

a debt of

> sorts.

> The remedy for the former (shani-node yoga) lies in offering water

to the

> pitris with the Astakshari-Suryaaditya mantra: Om Ghrini

SuryaAaditya||

>

> Then there is Pitri badhaka, where the native earns the anger or

sorrow of

> their parents in this life itself, and this causes obstacles to

their

> succes. This happens when the Badhaka is associated with the Sun

(father) or

> Moon (mother) as these are ALSO associated with Saturn (sorrow) or

Mars

> (anger) in rasi or navamsa.

>

> All these relate to ones ancestors, parents and forefathers, and

should not

> be confused with the word 'Putra' which means children, or 'Preta'

which

> means the dead, or deceased.

> Best wishes,

> ***

> Visti Larsen

> For services and articles visit:

> <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com

> ***

>

>

> _____

>

>

[] On

> Behalf Of Samir Shah

> 27 August 2006 10:03

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Pitri Shapa - Saturn conjunct nodes

>

>

>

> || hare räma kåñna ||

>

> Dear SK, Namaskar

>

>

>

>

> 1) Would the curse also be present in case the dristi of two or

more

> malefics on a malefic?

>

>

> [samir] Yes. But the operating curse will be that of the most

benefic planet

> that is thus afflicted.

>

>

>

> If Saturn is conjunct Rahu, then there is 7th house aspect of

these

> two malefics on Ketu by default. Should Ketu be considered as

> causing curse then?

>

>

> [samir] Yes. This would be a curse of Naagas/Sadhus.

>

>

>

> For example: In Sri Rama's chart, the malefic aspects of Saturn

and

> Mars on Sun in 10th house. Would this indicate a curse or not? ( I

> understand that only one curse will operate in the chart. So, in

> case no other curses are present, will this cause suffering?)

>

>

> [samir] Yes - Sri Rama has a Matri-shaapa and Pitri-shaapa as

well. But

> Jupiter being the most benefic, the Brahmin shaapa was the main

one.

> However, the effects of the other two were also felt.

>

>

>

> 2) What if benefic aspects are also present in addition to the

> malefic aspects? Then would there still be the curse or not?

>

>

> [samir] There would still be a curse. Benefics having graha

dristi would

> have the desire to help, however.

>

> I hope that helps,

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

[Guest guest]

|om|

Dear Visti, namaste

 

While you are on this topic, I request you to explain about *bhava shaapa *and

how to judge if it is serious enough to impact the fortunes of the bhava.

What are the standard remedies for the bhava shaapa? I remember Sarbani has

done some work in this regard but it would be nice to hear a few words from

you on this.

 

best regards

Hari

 

 

 

On 8/27/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> *||Hare Rama Krsna||*

> Dear Students, Namaskar

> Some clarification is needed. Dosha is an affliction due to circumstances

> or sorrow which doens't arise due to evil-deeds, but mistakes and bad

> lifestyle. If you don't brush your teeth, they will become weak and fall out

> - this is dosha or weakness/affliction. A shaapa happens if you knock

> someone elses teeth out - this earns you a shaapa or curse.

>

> A *Pitri Shaapa *happens when the Sun is involved in a curse. I.e.

> afflicted by two or more malefics. This usually causes suffering to the

> father or paternal relatives. The problem will specifically come from the

> house where the Sun is placed. I.e. in the chart of Sri Rama, the Sun is

> afflicted in the tenth house, and Sri Ramas father had to see the sorrow of

> his son being exhiled, and not being there at his death-bed. The issue was

> the kingdom/throne itself which is seen from the tenth house placement of

> the Sun (in simhasana yoga).

>

> A *Pitri Dosha* happens when the ancestors are unhappy, and occurs when

> the nodes (spirits/the dead) are joined Saturn, showing the sorrow of the

> dead afflicting oneself. Should Mars instead join a node, then its the anger

> of the dead (pisacha dosha). This causes yogas involved with these yogas to

> be stuck and/or not arise. The life is a constant effort to overcome a debt

> of sorts.

> The remedy for the former (shani-node yoga) lies in offering water to the

> pitris with the Astakshari-Suryaaditya mantra: Om Ghrini SuryaAaditya||

>

> Then there is *Pitri badhaka*, where the native earns the anger or sorrow

> of their parents in this life itself, and this causes obstacles to their

> succes. This happens when the Badhaka is associated with the Sun (father) or

> Moon (mother) as these are ALSO associated with Saturn (sorrow) or Mars

> (anger) in rasi or navamsa.

>

> All these relate to ones ancestors, parents and forefathers, and should

> not be confused with the word 'Putra' which means children, or 'Preta' which

> means the dead, or deceased.

> Best wishes,

> ***

> Visti Larsen <?subject=Un>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

Before Visti renders an opinion, a thought or two on this. Dosha and

Shrapa do affect the Bhava very seriously. I feel I have direct

experience of the same. My birth data for reference to judge this e-

mail better: 11th June, 1972; 10:17:16 AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India.

 

The Matri Shrapa caused by Rahu, Shani and Sun (Amavasya Dosha) is

in the 10th House. From the regular way of judging are area where

the suffering would be experienced, the 6th House emerges. While

this is true, the 10th House has also shown tremendous suffering.

This is accurately timed from the Rahu Moola Dasha using the default

settings in JHora: taking the Lagna, Moon and Sun (as stated by

Narasimha to have been advised by Kalyan Varma and Varahamihira) as

starting points.

 

Though the 6th House of daily work has been the area where the

suffering has been experienced, the 10th House affliction leading to

humiliation of an utterly unjustified sort (Rahu; Amavasya) in the

attempts to get a job (Shani-Chandra Yoga) has manifested very

strongly.

 

Hurt to the self-respect, emotions, happiness have all manifested.

See the involvement of the Lagnesh and AK impeding the free

emotional evolution, in my estimate.

 

The demise of the father in May, 1975 can be timed using the Moola

Dasha, Rashi Chakra and the D-60.

 

The Karaka of the Paka Lagna is strong and the Lagnesh is also the

AK, so everything has worked out alright for the intellect (Paka

Lagna made strong by the AK, making for Jnana Marga as an attempt to

understand the world, and Shani-Chandra Yoga is in the 10th House,

so that positive potential should also be seen.

 

Be that as it may, in the Sade-Sati, and till remedies were done for

the Amavasya Dosha, the Shrapa in the 10th refused to budge. Then,

suddenly work in the highest Court of the land came about along with

Jyotish practice. It is only an alleviation of the Amavasya Dosha,

the relief from Sade-Sati having passed that work, being seen as a

working entity in society, (10th House) have come to pass.

 

The mental suffering from Shadripu and delusion was only in Rahu

Vimshottari Mahadasha and though the absence of work justified the

area of the suffering being the 6th House, being the stronger of the

two owned by Shani, the real mental suffering came from the repeated

failure and Karmic, Poorva Janma hurt, humiliation, shock and

depraved behaviour from those who were approached to help with the

career situation. This is the work of the Rahu Moola Dasha,

completely qualified to deliver the curse. Rahu is with Neecha

Lagnesh Surya in the D-60 and aspected by Neecha Shani and Ketu from

the 9th.

 

This means the AK Sun will give the results of the Moola Dasha as

far as past Karma goes. Therefore, in the same huge Rahu Moola

Dasha, Jyotish has come, not through the BK Rahu, but through the AK

Sun, putting one on the path that was deviated from in Poorva Janma.

 

However, Rahu is unconjoined in Rashi, giving its own results.

Saturn and Ketu are in the 9th and protect, ensuring the suffering

is basically for cleansing.

 

Rahu has not been propitiated but recourse to Sri Rama, the vishnu

Avatar seen from the AK, Lagnesh Sun is being taken through the Rama

Taraka Mantra. Another interesting feature is that though Ketu is in

the 12th in Rashi and from Karakamsha, Sri Rama has allowed the act

which invited the curse to be remedied through His Name as he is

12th Lord from Karakamsha in the Karakamsha Lagna!

 

Perhaps it is because the act was not horrible, shown by exalted

Moon in Kendra.

 

I hope I have not rambled on too much but this aspect of Jyotish

interests me a lot, apart from everything else of course.

 

Regards,

Anurag Sharma

http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

, "Jyotisa Shisya"

<achyutagaddi wrote:

>

> |om|

> Dear Visti, namaste

>

> While you are on this topic, I request you to explain about *bhava

shaapa *and

> how to judge if it is serious enough to impact the fortunes of the

bhava.

> What are the standard remedies for the bhava shaapa? I remember

Sarbani has

> done some work in this regard but it would be nice to hear a few

words from

> you on this.

>

> best regards

> Hari

>

>

>

> On 8/27/06, Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

> >

> > *||Hare Rama Krsna||*

> > Dear Students, Namaskar

> > Some clarification is needed. Dosha is an affliction due to

circumstances

> > or sorrow which doens't arise due to evil-deeds, but mistakes

and bad

> > lifestyle. If you don't brush your teeth, they will become weak

and fall out

> > - this is dosha or weakness/affliction. A shaapa happens if you

knock

> > someone elses teeth out - this earns you a shaapa or curse.

> >

> > A *Pitri Shaapa *happens when the Sun is involved in a curse.

I.e.

> > afflicted by two or more malefics. This usually causes suffering

to the

> > father or paternal relatives. The problem will specifically come

from the

> > house where the Sun is placed. I.e. in the chart of Sri Rama,

the Sun is

> > afflicted in the tenth house, and Sri Ramas father had to see

the sorrow of

> > his son being exhiled, and not being there at his death-bed. The

issue was

> > the kingdom/throne itself which is seen from the tenth house

placement of

> > the Sun (in simhasana yoga).

> >

> > A *Pitri Dosha* happens when the ancestors are unhappy, and

occurs when

> > the nodes (spirits/the dead) are joined Saturn, showing the

sorrow of the

> > dead afflicting oneself. Should Mars instead join a node, then

its the anger

> > of the dead (pisacha dosha). This causes yogas involved with

these yogas to

> > be stuck and/or not arise. The life is a constant effort to

overcome a debt

> > of sorts.

> > The remedy for the former (shani-node yoga) lies in offering

water to the

> > pitris with the Astakshari-Suryaaditya mantra: Om Ghrini

SuryaAaditya||

> >

> > Then there is *Pitri badhaka*, where the native earns the anger

or sorrow

> > of their parents in this life itself, and this causes obstacles

to their

> > succes. This happens when the Badhaka is associated with the Sun

(father) or

> > Moon (mother) as these are ALSO associated with Saturn (sorrow)

or Mars

> > (anger) in rasi or navamsa.

> >

> > All these relate to ones ancestors, parents and forefathers, and

should

> > not be confused with the word 'Putra' which means children,

or 'Preta' which

> > means the dead, or deceased.

> > Best wishes,

> > ***

> > Visti Larsen <?

subject=Un>

> > .

> >

> >

> >

>