Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm, adding that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is creating chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from people enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While astrologers are using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around the world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to drought. But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the public or because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are quick to add that these planets will have little effect on human lives. Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non-stop since the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a cause of concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both in India and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes in astrological calculations and significant changes will also appear in the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health conditions." However he is not recommending any changes to charts and horoscopes at the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and he says, "The planets were already in existence but since we were following the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while making the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who discovered the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine planets and they must have a reason for it." Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any chances. His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a fix. He plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life partner will still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not want to be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want her to be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting our astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says. While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from politicians to movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says that changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing Ravi Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family and bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to affect the Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years before the planetary change affect people's lives." Courtsey : Deccan.com Prasanna Kumar / </> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Dear, No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity atleast in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes to effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any one say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better than our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra terrestial knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years time, in human beings. Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets have been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the effects and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as science advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space through better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by visiting space ships and astronauts. But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont see any reason to add further in our studies of prognostications. First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired results. Can anyone prove this ? regards, Bhaskar. , "prasanna" <wildflower2004 wrote: > > > Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm, adding > that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required > > The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is creating > chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from people > enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While astrologers are > using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around the > world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. > > Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three > planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to drought. > But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the public or > because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are quick to > add that these planets will have little effect on human lives. > > Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non-stop since > the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a cause of > concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both in India > and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes in > astrological calculations and significant changes will also appear in > the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health > conditions." > > However he is not recommending any changes to charts and horoscopes at > the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and he says, > "The planets were already in existence but since we were following > the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while making > the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who discovered > the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine planets > and they must have a reason for it." > > Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any chances. > His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a fix. He > plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life partner will > still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not want to > be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want her to > be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting our > astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says. > > While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to > re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from politicians to > movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says that > changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing Ravi > Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family and > bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to affect the > Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years before > the planetary change affect people's lives." > > Courtsey : Deccan.com > > Prasanna Kumar > > / > </> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Dear members I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on these outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well individual charts. regards / Prafulla Gang If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then the tables will never seem to turn. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > Dear, > > No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity atleast > in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes to > effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any one > say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. > > Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better than > our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra terrestial > knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years time, > in human beings. > > Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets have > been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the effects > and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? > > All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as science > advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space through > better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by > visiting space ships and astronauts. > > But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont > see any reason to add further in our studies of > prognostications. > > First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove > that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired > results. Can anyone prove this ? > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "prasanna" > <wildflower2004 wrote: >> >> >> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm, > adding >> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required >> >> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is > creating >> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from > people >> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While astrologers > are >> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around the >> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. >> >> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three >> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to drought. >> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the > public or >> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are quick > to >> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives. >> >> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non-stop > since >> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a cause of >> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both in > India >> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes in >> astrological calculations and significant changes will also appear > in >> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health >> conditions." >> >> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and horoscopes > at >> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and he > says, >> "The planets were already in existence but since we were following >> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while making >> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who > discovered >> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine > planets >> and they must have a reason for it." >> >> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any chances. >> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a > fix. He >> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life partner > will >> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not want to >> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want her > to >> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting our >> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says. >> >> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to >> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from > politicians to >> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says > that >> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing Ravi >> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family and >> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to > affect the >> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years > before >> the planetary change affect people's lives." >> >> Courtsey : Deccan.com >> >> Prasanna Kumar >> >> / >> </> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Dear Prafullaji. If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all information (Predective- and not essays on general characteristics) ) required and necessary about these planets for those interested, though I personally do not use these while predicting. You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and again regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive points. regards, Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear members > > I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on these outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well individual charts. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then the tables will never seem to turn. > > > > > > rajiventerprises > > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 > > > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > > > Dear, > > > > No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity atleast > > in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes to > > effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any one > > say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. > > > > Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better than > > our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra terrestial > > knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years time, > > in human beings. > > > > Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets have > > been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the effects > > and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? > > > > All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as science > > advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space through > > better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by > > visiting space ships and astronauts. > > > > But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont > > see any reason to add further in our studies of > > prognostications. > > > > First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove > > that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired > > results. Can anyone prove this ? > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , "prasanna" > > <wildflower2004@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm, > > adding > >> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required > >> > >> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is > > creating > >> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from > > people > >> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While astrologers > > are > >> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around the > >> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. > >> > >> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three > >> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to drought. > >> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the > > public or > >> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are quick > > to > >> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives. > >> > >> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non- stop > > since > >> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a cause of > >> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both in > > India > >> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes in > >> astrological calculations and significant changes will also appear > > in > >> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health > >> conditions." > >> > >> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and horoscopes > > at > >> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and he > > says, > >> "The planets were already in existence but since we were following > >> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while making > >> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who > > discovered > >> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine > > planets > >> and they must have a reason for it." > >> > >> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any chances. > >> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a > > fix. He > >> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life partner > > will > >> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not want to > >> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want her > > to > >> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting our > >> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says. > >> > >> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to > >> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from > > politicians to > >> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says > > that > >> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing Ravi > >> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family and > >> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to > > affect the > >> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years > > before > >> the planetary change affect people's lives." > >> > >> Courtsey : Deccan.com > >> > >> Prasanna Kumar > >> > >> / > >> </> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Dear Members: I have to weigh in on this one as it gets into the mixing of western astrology and Jyotish... In the area of mundane astrology, which is probably the most complex field in astrology, no Western astrologer using the "modern planets," Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, has even come close to the accuracy of B.V. Raman. Raman's reputation was built on the accuracy of his predictions on world events. B.V. Raman totally rejected the use of the trans-Saturnian planets in Jyotish. Experiment with them if you like, but I am convinced that any Vedic astrologer worth his salt can delineate a horoscope with more accuracy without using the trans-Saturnian planets and other astro-junk. Even if we take a Western approach, who in the domain of modern practicing Western astrologers using the trans-Saturnian planets has come close to the accuracy of Guido Bonatti, Placidus de Titi, William Lilly, Morinus and others who used only the visible planets and the two shadow planets in their charts? Just some thoughts, Allen allentefftjewelry.com , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear members > > I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on these outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well individual charts. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then the tables will never seem to turn. > > > > > > rajiventerprises > > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 > > > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > > > Dear, > > > > No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity atleast > > in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes to > > effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any one > > say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. > > > > Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better than > > our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra terrestial > > knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years time, > > in human beings. > > > > Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets have > > been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the effects > > and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? > > > > All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as science > > advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space through > > better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by > > visiting space ships and astronauts. > > > > But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont > > see any reason to add further in our studies of > > prognostications. > > > > First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove > > that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired > > results. Can anyone prove this ? > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , "prasanna" > > <wildflower2004@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm, > > adding > >> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required > >> > >> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is > > creating > >> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from > > people > >> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While astrologers > > are > >> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around the > >> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. > >> > >> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three > >> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to drought. > >> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the > > public or > >> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are quick > > to > >> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives. > >> > >> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non-stop > > since > >> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a cause of > >> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both in > > India > >> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes in > >> astrological calculations and significant changes will also appear > > in > >> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health > >> conditions." > >> > >> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and horoscopes > > at > >> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and he > > says, > >> "The planets were already in existence but since we were following > >> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while making > >> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who > > discovered > >> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine > > planets > >> and they must have a reason for it." > >> > >> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any chances. > >> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a > > fix. He > >> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life partner > > will > >> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not want to > >> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want her > > to > >> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting our > >> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says. > >> > >> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to > >> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from > > politicians to > >> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says > > that > >> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing Ravi > >> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family and > >> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to > > affect the > >> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years > > before > >> the planetary change affect people's lives." > >> > >> Courtsey : Deccan.com > >> > >> Prasanna Kumar > >> > >> / > >> </> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Dear Allen, Very true. There have been many who have shown(Shined)on the horizons ,by making spectacular predictions on mundane with only 7 + 2. At the same time without mixing these Extra Saturnian planets, there is no harm to go through the list of predictive measures (Whenever they are laid out by any member), alloted to these planets and check their utility,while we go through various natives horoscopes and judge, of course without hampering our normal methods, ie. not allowing our normal favourite ways to be influenced in any way by this study. We have to be open to all methods, but not ADOPT any, which does not come from the Vedic heritage. Regards, Bhaskar.. , "Allen" <jyoteekat wrote: > > Dear Members: > > I have to weigh in on this one as it gets into the mixing of western > astrology and Jyotish... > > In the area of mundane astrology, which is probably the most complex > field in astrology, no Western astrologer using the "modern planets," > Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, has even come close to the accuracy of B.V. > Raman. Raman's reputation was built on the accuracy of his predictions > on world events. B.V. Raman totally rejected the use of the > trans-Saturnian planets in Jyotish. > > Experiment with them if you like, but I am convinced that any Vedic > astrologer worth his salt can delineate a horoscope with more accuracy > without using the trans-Saturnian planets and other astro-junk. > > Even if we take a Western approach, who in the domain of modern > practicing Western astrologers using the trans-Saturnian planets has > come close to the accuracy of Guido Bonatti, Placidus de Titi, William > Lilly, Morinus and others who used only the visible planets and the > two shadow planets in their charts? > > Just some thoughts, > Allen > > allentefftjewelry.com > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear members > > > > I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western astrology > background. I request them to present brief notes on these outer > planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well individual > charts. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then > the tables will never seem to turn. > > > > > > > > > > rajiventerprises@ > > > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 > > > > > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > > > > > Dear, > > > > > > No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity atleast > > > in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes to > > > effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any one > > > say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. > > > > > > Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better than > > > our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra terrestial > > > knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years time, > > > in human beings. > > > > > > Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets have > > > been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the effects > > > and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? > > > > > > All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as science > > > advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space through > > > better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by > > > visiting space ships and astronauts. > > > > > > But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont > > > see any reason to add further in our studies of > > > prognostications. > > > > > > First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove > > > that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired > > > results. Can anyone prove this ? > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "prasanna" > > > <wildflower2004@> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm, > > > adding > > >> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required > > >> > > >> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is > > > creating > > >> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from > > > people > > >> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While astrologers > > > are > > >> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around the > > >> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. > > >> > > >> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three > > >> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to drought. > > >> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the > > > public or > > >> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are quick > > > to > > >> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives. > > >> > > >> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non- stop > > > since > > >> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a cause of > > >> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both in > > > India > > >> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes in > > >> astrological calculations and significant changes will also appear > > > in > > >> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health > > >> conditions." > > >> > > >> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and horoscopes > > > at > > >> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and he > > > says, > > >> "The planets were already in existence but since we were following > > >> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while making > > >> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who > > > discovered > > >> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine > > > planets > > >> and they must have a reason for it." > > >> > > >> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any chances. > > >> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a > > > fix. He > > >> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life partner > > > will > > >> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not want to > > >> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want her > > > to > > >> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting our > > >> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says. > > >> > > >> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to > > >> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from > > > politicians to > > >> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says > > > that > > >> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing Ravi > > >> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family and > > >> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to > > > affect the > > >> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years > > > before > > >> the planetary change affect people's lives." > > >> > > >> Courtsey : Deccan.com > > >> > > >> Prasanna Kumar > > >> > > >> / > > >> </> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Has KP not synthesised western principles !! regards / Prafulla Gang Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000 > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > Dear Prafullaji. > > If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all > information (Predective- and not essays on general characteristics) ) > required and necessary about these planets for those interested, > though I personally do not use these while predicting. > You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune > therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions > and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and again > regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive > points. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear members >> >> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western > astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on these > outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well > individual charts. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then > the tables will never seem to turn. >> >> >>> >>> rajiventerprises >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 >>> >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets >>> >>> Dear, >>> >>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity > atleast >>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes to >>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any one >>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. >>> >>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better > than >>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra > terrestial >>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years time, >>> in human beings. >>> >>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets > have >>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the effects >>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? >>> >>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as > science >>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space > through >>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by >>> visiting space ships and astronauts. >>> >>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont >>> see any reason to add further in our studies of >>> prognostications. >>> >>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove >>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired >>> results. Can anyone prove this ? >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> , "prasanna" >>> <wildflower2004@> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm, >>> adding >>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required >>>> >>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is >>> creating >>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from >>> people >>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While > astrologers >>> are >>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around > the >>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. >>>> >>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three >>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to > drought. >>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the >>> public or >>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are > quick >>> to >>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives. >>>> >>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non- > stop >>> since >>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a > cause of >>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both > in >>> India >>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes > in >>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also > appear >>> in >>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health >>>> conditions." >>>> >>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and > horoscopes >>> at >>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and > he >>> says, >>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were > following >>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while > making >>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who >>> discovered >>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine >>> planets >>>> and they must have a reason for it." >>>> >>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any > chances. >>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a >>> fix. He >>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life > partner >>> will >>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not > want to >>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want > her >>> to >>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting > our >>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says. >>>> >>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to >>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from >>> politicians to >>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says >>> that >>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing > Ravi >>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family > and >>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to >>> affect the >>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years >>> before >>>> the planetary change affect people's lives." >>>> >>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com >>>> >>>> Prasanna Kumar >>>> >>>> / >>>> </> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Prafulla Bhai, I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer, cause I dont know from which point to start answering You. regards/Bhaskar. \, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Has KP not synthesised western principles !! > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > > > > > rajiventerprises > > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000 > > > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > > > Dear Prafullaji. > > > > If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all > > information (Predective- and not essays on general characteristics) ) > > required and necessary about these planets for those interested, > > though I personally do not use these while predicting. > > You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune > > therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions > > and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and again > > regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive > > points. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear members > >> > >> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western > > astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on these > > outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well > > individual charts. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then > > the tables will never seem to turn. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> rajiventerprises@ > >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets > >>> > >>> Dear, > >>> > >>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity > > atleast > >>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes to > >>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any one > >>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. > >>> > >>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better > > than > >>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra > > terrestial > >>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years time, > >>> in human beings. > >>> > >>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets > > have > >>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the effects > >>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? > >>> > >>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as > > science > >>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space > > through > >>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by > >>> visiting space ships and astronauts. > >>> > >>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont > >>> see any reason to add further in our studies of > >>> prognostications. > >>> > >>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove > >>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired > >>> results. Can anyone prove this ? > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> , "prasanna" > >>> <wildflower2004@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm, > >>> adding > >>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required > >>>> > >>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is > >>> creating > >>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from > >>> people > >>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While > > astrologers > >>> are > >>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around > > the > >>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. > >>>> > >>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three > >>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to > > drought. > >>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the > >>> public or > >>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are > > quick > >>> to > >>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives. > >>>> > >>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non- > > stop > >>> since > >>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a > > cause of > >>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both > > in > >>> India > >>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes > > in > >>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also > > appear > >>> in > >>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health > >>>> conditions." > >>>> > >>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and > > horoscopes > >>> at > >>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and > > he > >>> says, > >>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were > > following > >>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while > > making > >>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who > >>> discovered > >>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine > >>> planets > >>>> and they must have a reason for it." > >>>> > >>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any > > chances. > >>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a > >>> fix. He > >>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life > > partner > >>> will > >>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not > > want to > >>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want > > her > >>> to > >>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting > > our > >>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says. > >>>> > >>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to > >>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from > >>> politicians to > >>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says > >>> that > >>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing > > Ravi > >>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family > > and > >>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to > >>> affect the > >>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years > >>> before > >>>> the planetary change affect people's lives." > >>>> > >>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com > >>>> > >>>> Prasanna Kumar > >>>> > >>>> / > >>>> </> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Your smartness is that You always hint. And leave the reader to explain or answer your hint as if some grave crime is commited by the reader or any system he prefers or uses but not advocates. Western principles I do not think have been imported in totality by anyone in India, maybe few techniques improvised. If anything thing goes abroad from India, and is improvised there and again taken from there and brought back to India and again improvised, then what is the harm ? If people like You and me spend our time arguing with each other than naturally foreigners will take away our assets and we will have to bring it back from there which would now come in a improvised manner, and which we would still improve to suit Indian conditions. So no harm there. Importing western principles in KP or others , how can You first say that these did not go to West from India, first prove that ? The outer planets, we will listen to You and put it in the syllabus of all astrology schools in India. But as I mentioned in previous mail to You, which House Lordships would You give them and where would they fit in Dasha schemes and what number of years would You allot them ? regards, Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So when purity is already improvised by import of principles from western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > > > > > rajiventerprises > > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000 > > > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > > > Prafulla Bhai, > > > > I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in > > details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer, > > cause I dont know from which point to start answering You. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > \, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Has KP not synthesised western principles !! > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Every exit is an entry somewhere. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> rajiventerprises@ > >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets > >>> > >>> Dear Prafullaji. > >>> > >>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all > >>> information (Predective- and not essays on general > > characteristics) ) > >>> required and necessary about these planets for those interested, > >>> though I personally do not use these while predicting. > >>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune > >>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions > >>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and > > again > >>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive > >>> points. > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear members > >>>> > >>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western > >>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on > > these > >>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well > >>> individual charts. > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, > > then > >>> the tables will never seem to turn. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> rajiventerprises@ > >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear, > >>>>> > >>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity > >>> atleast > >>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes > > to > >>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any > > one > >>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. > >>>>> > >>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better > >>> than > >>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra > >>> terrestial > >>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years > > time, > >>>>> in human beings. > >>>>> > >>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets > >>> have > >>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the > > effects > >>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? > >>>>> > >>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as > >>> science > >>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space > >>> through > >>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by > >>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts. > >>>>> > >>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont > >>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of > >>>>> prognostications. > >>>>> > >>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove > >>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired > >>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ? > >>>>> > >>>>> regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , "prasanna" > >>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm, > >>>>> adding > >>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is > >>>>> creating > >>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from > >>>>> people > >>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While > >>> astrologers > >>>>> are > >>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around > >>> the > >>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the > > three > >>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to > >>> drought. > >>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the > >>>>> public or > >>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are > >>> quick > >>>>> to > >>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non- > >>> stop > >>>>> since > >>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a > >>> cause of > >>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both > >>> in > >>>>> India > >>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes > >>> in > >>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also > >>> appear > >>>>> in > >>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health > >>>>>> conditions." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and > >>> horoscopes > >>>>> at > >>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and > >>> he > >>>>> says, > >>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were > >>> following > >>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while > >>> making > >>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who > >>>>> discovered > >>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine > >>>>> planets > >>>>>> and they must have a reason for it." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any > >>> chances. > >>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a > >>>>> fix. He > >>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life > >>> partner > >>>>> will > >>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not > >>> want to > >>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want > >>> her > >>>>> to > >>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting > >>> our > >>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks > > to > >>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from > >>>>> politicians to > >>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and > > says > >>>>> that > >>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing > >>> Ravi > >>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family > >>> and > >>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to > >>>>> affect the > >>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years > >>>>> before > >>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Prasanna Kumar > >>>>>> > >>>>>> / > >>>>>> </> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji I never said that we should not use western principles. I think, your message applies to more, who are rigid for vedic origin of astrology. Which lordship you assign to Gulika, Mandi Yama etc !! regards / Prafulla Gang Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:42:25 -0000 > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > Your smartness is that You always hint. And leave the reader to > explain or answer your hint as if some grave crime is commited by the > reader or any system he prefers or uses but not advocates. > Western principles I do not think have been imported in totality by > anyone in India, maybe few techniques improvised. If anything > thing goes abroad from India, and is improvised there and again > taken from there and brought back to India and again improvised, > then what is the harm ? > If people like You and me spend our time arguing with each other than > naturally foreigners will take away our assets and we will have to > bring it back from there which would now come in a improvised manner, > and which we would still improve to suit Indian conditions. So no > harm there. > > Importing western principles in KP or others , how can You first > say that these did not go to West from India, first prove that ? > > The outer planets, we will listen to You and put it in the syllabus > of all astrology schools in India. But as I mentioned in previous > mail to You, which House Lordships would You give them and where > would they fit in Dasha schemes and what number of years would You > allot them ? > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western > principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So > when purity is already improvised by import of principles from > western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >> >> >>> >>> rajiventerprises >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000 >>> >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets >>> >>> Prafulla Bhai, >>> >>> I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in >>> details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer, >>> cause I dont know from which point to start answering You. >>> >>> regards/Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> \, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Has KP not synthesised western principles !! >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets >>>>> >>>>> Dear Prafullaji. >>>>> >>>>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all >>>>> information (Predective- and not essays on general >>> characteristics) ) >>>>> required and necessary about these planets for those interested, >>>>> though I personally do not use these while predicting. >>>>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune >>>>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions >>>>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and >>> again >>>>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive >>>>> points. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear members >>>>>> >>>>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western >>>>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on >>> these >>>>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well >>>>> individual charts. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, >>> then >>>>> the tables will never seem to turn. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity >>>>> atleast >>>>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the > changes >>> to >>>>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any >>> one >>>>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know > better >>>>> than >>>>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra >>>>> terrestial >>>>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years >>> time, >>>>>>> in human beings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these > planets >>>>> have >>>>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the >>> effects >>>>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as >>>>> science >>>>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space >>>>> through >>>>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by >>>>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont >>>>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of >>>>>>> prognostications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first > prove >>>>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired >>>>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , "prasanna" >>>>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay > calm, >>>>>>> adding >>>>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system > is >>>>>>> creating >>>>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls > from >>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While >>>>> astrologers >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes > around >>>>> the >>>>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the >>> three >>>>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to >>>>> drought. >>>>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the >>>>>>> public or >>>>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are >>>>> quick >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human > lives. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing > non- >>>>> stop >>>>>>> since >>>>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a >>>>> cause of >>>>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people > both >>>>> in >>>>>>> India >>>>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring > changes >>>>> in >>>>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also >>>>> appear >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health >>>>>>>> conditions." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and >>>>> horoscopes >>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo > and >>>>> he >>>>>>> says, >>>>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were >>>>> following >>>>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while >>>>> making >>>>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who >>>>>>> discovered >>>>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine >>>>>>> planets >>>>>>>> and they must have a reason for it." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any >>>>> chances. >>>>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is > in a >>>>>>> fix. He >>>>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life >>>>> partner >>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not >>>>> want to >>>>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family > want >>>>> her >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and > consulting >>>>> our >>>>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he > says. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming > weeks >>> to >>>>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from >>>>>>> politicians to >>>>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and >>> says >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. > Echoing >>>>> Ravi >>>>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar > family >>>>> and >>>>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to >>>>>>> affect the >>>>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more > years >>>>>>> before >>>>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prasanna Kumar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> / >>>>>>>> </> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Prafulla, >From my selective reading of messages recently, it seems that you are fending quite a few 'battles' these days, so please do not take this as another affront coming from a forum participant at you! :-) One gets the sense that here KP is being understood as a system that is moving closer to tropical astrology. I think that should be reviewed. KP only bears two similarities with tropical astrology, viz., its use of Placidus unequal house division and placing the cusp at the beginning of a house. Traditional 'vedic' system utilizes equal, sripati or whole sign houses and in each of these the cusp (such as rising degree) is placed at the middle of the house (which Lahiri described as a candle placed in the middle of the room with its light shining all corners of the room). In order for considering KP (or any other hybrid system) as being closer to western or tropical astrology, one would need to consider a few other factors: Aspects based on arcs (these are very different from jyotish aspects) Directions (primary, secondary, tertiary etc) Progressions Tropical zodiac Newer elements such as mid-points (ebertin -- although these are also utilized in a different manner in vedic), asteroids, newly discovered planets (relatively speaking). KP, therefore, is closer to jyotish than tropical astrology. RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So when purity is already improvised by import of principles from western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > > > > > rajiventerprises > > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000 > > > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > > > Prafulla Bhai, > > > > I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in > > details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer, > > cause I dont know from which point to start answering You. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > \, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Has KP not synthesised western principles !! > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Every exit is an entry somewhere. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> rajiventerprises@ > >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets > >>> > >>> Dear Prafullaji. > >>> > >>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all > >>> information (Predective- and not essays on general > > characteristics) ) > >>> required and necessary about these planets for those interested, > >>> though I personally do not use these while predicting. > >>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune > >>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions > >>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and > > again > >>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive > >>> points. > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear members > >>>> > >>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western > >>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on > > these > >>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well > >>> individual charts. > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, > > then > >>> the tables will never seem to turn. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> rajiventerprises@ > >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear, > >>>>> > >>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity > >>> atleast > >>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes > > to > >>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any > > one > >>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. > >>>>> > >>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better > >>> than > >>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra > >>> terrestial > >>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years > > time, > >>>>> in human beings. > >>>>> > >>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets > >>> have > >>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the > > effects > >>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? > >>>>> > >>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as > >>> science > >>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space > >>> through > >>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by > >>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts. > >>>>> > >>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont > >>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of > >>>>> prognostications. > >>>>> > >>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove > >>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired > >>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ? > >>>>> > >>>>> regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , "prasanna" > >>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm, > >>>>> adding > >>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is > >>>>> creating > >>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from > >>>>> people > >>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While > >>> astrologers > >>>>> are > >>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around > >>> the > >>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the > > three > >>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to > >>> drought. > >>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the > >>>>> public or > >>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are > >>> quick > >>>>> to > >>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non- > >>> stop > >>>>> since > >>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a > >>> cause of > >>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both > >>> in > >>>>> India > >>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes > >>> in > >>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also > >>> appear > >>>>> in > >>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health > >>>>>> conditions." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and > >>> horoscopes > >>>>> at > >>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and > >>> he > >>>>> says, > >>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were > >>> following > >>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while > >>> making > >>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who > >>>>> discovered > >>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine > >>>>> planets > >>>>>> and they must have a reason for it." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any > >>> chances. > >>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a > >>>>> fix. He > >>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life > >>> partner > >>>>> will > >>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not > >>> want to > >>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want > >>> her > >>>>> to > >>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting > >>> our > >>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks > > to > >>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from > >>>>> politicians to > >>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and > > says > >>>>> that > >>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing > >>> Ravi > >>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family > >>> and > >>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to > >>>>> affect the > >>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years > >>>>> before > >>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Prasanna Kumar > >>>>>> > >>>>>> / > >>>>>> </> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Shri Ranjanji, Sorry for coming in. This is the point exactly I was looking for from the astrologers in this Group to point out. Thank God You know this and have done the study. Just Placidus unequal house system and placing the cusp at the beginning of a house, is the only difference. Rest is same. But I am sure this must have been followed thousands of years back in India too, when there was no difference in Sayana or Nirayana. This way of creating unequal Bhavas (Cusps) and then giving Lordship of these Bhavas to the Cuspal Degreeical Lord,and thus shifting the planets too in the process from here and there has been giving good results from my experience in meeting people who predict in this manner and found results very much satisfactory. Thank You very much. regards, bhaskar. In , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Prafulla, > > From my selective reading of messages recently, it seems that you are > fending quite a few 'battles' these days, so please do not take this > as another affront coming from a forum participant at you! :-) > > One gets the sense that here KP is being understood as a system that > is moving closer to tropical astrology. I think that should be > reviewed. KP only bears two similarities with tropical astrology, > viz., its use of Placidus unequal house division and placing the cusp > at the beginning of a house. > Traditional 'vedic' system utilizes equal, sripati or whole sign > houses and in each of these the cusp (such as rising degree) is > placed at the middle of the house (which Lahiri described as a candle > placed in the middle of the room with its light shining all corners > of the room). > > In order for considering KP (or any other hybrid system) as being > closer to western or tropical astrology, one would need to consider a > few other factors: > Aspects based on arcs (these are very different from jyotish aspects) > Directions (primary, secondary, tertiary etc) > Progressions > Tropical zodiac > Newer elements such as mid-points (ebertin -- although these are also > utilized in a different manner in vedic), asteroids, newly discovered > planets (relatively speaking). > > KP, therefore, is closer to jyotish than tropical astrology. > > RR > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western > principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So > when purity is already improvised by import of principles from > western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > rajiventerprises@ > > > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000 > > > > > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > > > > > Prafulla Bhai, > > > > > > I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in > > > details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer, > > > cause I dont know from which point to start answering You. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > \, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Has KP not synthesised western principles !! > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> > > >> Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> rajiventerprises@ > > >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000 > > >>> > > >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets > > >>> > > >>> Dear Prafullaji. > > >>> > > >>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all > > >>> information (Predective- and not essays on general > > > characteristics) ) > > >>> required and necessary about these planets for those interested, > > >>> though I personally do not use these while predicting. > > >>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune > > >>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions > > >>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and > > > again > > >>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive > > >>> points. > > >>> > > >>> regards, > > >>> Bhaskar. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear members > > >>>> > > >>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western > > >>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on > > > these > > >>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well > > >>> individual charts. > > >>>> > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>> > > >>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, > > > then > > >>> the tables will never seem to turn. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> rajiventerprises@ > > >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dear, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity > > >>> atleast > > >>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the > changes > > > to > > >>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any > > > one > > >>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know > better > > >>> than > > >>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra > > >>> terrestial > > >>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years > > > time, > > >>>>> in human beings. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these > planets > > >>> have > > >>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the > > > effects > > >>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as > > >>> science > > >>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space > > >>> through > > >>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by > > >>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont > > >>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of > > >>>>> prognostications. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first > prove > > >>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired > > >>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> regards, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> , "prasanna" > > >>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay > calm, > > >>>>> adding > > >>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system > is > > >>>>> creating > > >>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls > from > > >>>>> people > > >>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While > > >>> astrologers > > >>>>> are > > >>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes > around > > >>> the > > >>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the > > > three > > >>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to > > >>> drought. > > >>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the > > >>>>> public or > > >>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are > > >>> quick > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human > lives. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing > non- > > >>> stop > > >>>>> since > > >>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a > > >>> cause of > > >>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people > both > > >>> in > > >>>>> India > > >>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring > changes > > >>> in > > >>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also > > >>> appear > > >>>>> in > > >>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health > > >>>>>> conditions." > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and > > >>> horoscopes > > >>>>> at > > >>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo > and > > >>> he > > >>>>> says, > > >>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were > > >>> following > > >>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while > > >>> making > > >>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who > > >>>>> discovered > > >>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine > > >>>>> planets > > >>>>>> and they must have a reason for it." > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any > > >>> chances. > > >>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is > in a > > >>>>> fix. He > > >>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life > > >>> partner > > >>>>> will > > >>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not > > >>> want to > > >>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family > want > > >>> her > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and > consulting > > >>> our > > >>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he > says. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming > weeks > > > to > > >>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from > > >>>>> politicians to > > >>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and > > > says > > >>>>> that > > >>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. > Echoing > > >>> Ravi > > >>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar > family > > >>> and > > >>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to > > >>>>> affect the > > >>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more > years > > >>>>> before > > >>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives." > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Prasanna Kumar > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> / > > >>>>>> </> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji, Many thanks for your mail. I am aware that KP uses bit of tropical and vedic structure - sort of hybrid system (yes, is more of vedic - true). My note was with reference to the issue, when outer planets were rediculed and was categorically mentioned that - why not totally vedic system and so on..so I mentioned, that is KP a pure "vedic" one? Yes, I too mentioned that - use of sub lord lacks the classical base. KP may be working technique, and if it is 100% working / successful one, its followers - perhaps, need not use any other technique. But I have many friends - who learnt from KP himself - but at some stage, they moved away from it. They all are very good astrologers, but for them, the technique lacked the consistent application. Since, I did not use KP - I am not competent to make any comment on its efficiency. You already answered that It is not !! I am not rediculing the KP system. I am just stating that, when we can import some of western technique into our "Vedic" one - then why should not we be open minded to outer planets as well. Unfortunately, that was read as criticism of KP system. regards / Prafulla Gang Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:28:22 -0000 > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > Prafulla, > > From my selective reading of messages recently, it seems that you are > fending quite a few 'battles' these days, so please do not take this > as another affront coming from a forum participant at you! :-) > > One gets the sense that here KP is being understood as a system that > is moving closer to tropical astrology. I think that should be > reviewed. KP only bears two similarities with tropical astrology, > viz., its use of Placidus unequal house division and placing the cusp > at the beginning of a house. > Traditional 'vedic' system utilizes equal, sripati or whole sign > houses and in each of these the cusp (such as rising degree) is > placed at the middle of the house (which Lahiri described as a candle > placed in the middle of the room with its light shining all corners > of the room). > > In order for considering KP (or any other hybrid system) as being > closer to western or tropical astrology, one would need to consider a > few other factors: > Aspects based on arcs (these are very different from jyotish aspects) > Directions (primary, secondary, tertiary etc) > Progressions > Tropical zodiac > Newer elements such as mid-points (ebertin -- although these are also > utilized in a different manner in vedic), asteroids, newly discovered > planets (relatively speaking). > > KP, therefore, is closer to jyotish than tropical astrology. > > RR > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western > principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So > when purity is already improvised by import of principles from > western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >> >> >>> >>> rajiventerprises >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000 >>> >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets >>> >>> Prafulla Bhai, >>> >>> I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in >>> details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer, >>> cause I dont know from which point to start answering You. >>> >>> regards/Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> \, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Has KP not synthesised western principles !! >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets >>>>> >>>>> Dear Prafullaji. >>>>> >>>>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all >>>>> information (Predective- and not essays on general >>> characteristics) ) >>>>> required and necessary about these planets for those interested, >>>>> though I personally do not use these while predicting. >>>>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune >>>>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions >>>>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and >>> again >>>>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive >>>>> points. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear members >>>>>> >>>>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western >>>>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on >>> these >>>>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well >>>>> individual charts. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, >>> then >>>>> the tables will never seem to turn. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity >>>>> atleast >>>>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the > changes >>> to >>>>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any >>> one >>>>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know > better >>>>> than >>>>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra >>>>> terrestial >>>>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years >>> time, >>>>>>> in human beings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these > planets >>>>> have >>>>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the >>> effects >>>>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as >>>>> science >>>>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space >>>>> through >>>>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by >>>>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont >>>>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of >>>>>>> prognostications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first > prove >>>>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired >>>>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , "prasanna" >>>>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay > calm, >>>>>>> adding >>>>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system > is >>>>>>> creating >>>>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls > from >>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While >>>>> astrologers >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes > around >>>>> the >>>>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the >>> three >>>>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to >>>>> drought. >>>>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the >>>>>>> public or >>>>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are >>>>> quick >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human > lives. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing > non- >>>>> stop >>>>>>> since >>>>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a >>>>> cause of >>>>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people > both >>>>> in >>>>>>> India >>>>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring > changes >>>>> in >>>>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also >>>>> appear >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health >>>>>>>> conditions." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and >>>>> horoscopes >>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo > and >>>>> he >>>>>>> says, >>>>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were >>>>> following >>>>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while >>>>> making >>>>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who >>>>>>> discovered >>>>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine >>>>>>> planets >>>>>>>> and they must have a reason for it." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any >>>>> chances. >>>>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is > in a >>>>>>> fix. He >>>>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life >>>>> partner >>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not >>>>> want to >>>>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family > want >>>>> her >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and > consulting >>>>> our >>>>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he > says. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming > weeks >>> to >>>>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from >>>>>>> politicians to >>>>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and >>> says >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. > Echoing >>>>> Ravi >>>>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar > family >>>>> and >>>>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to >>>>>>> affect the >>>>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more > years >>>>>>> before >>>>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prasanna Kumar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> / >>>>>>>> </> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Since no system can demonstrably claim 100% success, generally, I personally see no reason why additional factors cannot be explored and added to whatever basic framework is being used. Efficacy and not some notion of "purity" should drive astrologers. None of us are really historians or capable of providing evidence that absolutely unarguably demonstrates that what we consider original and pure are indeed so! If it rubs someone the wrong way, so be it!! RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > Many thanks for your mail. > > I am aware that KP uses bit of tropical and vedic structure - sort of hybrid system (yes, is more of vedic - true). My note was with reference to the issue, when outer planets were rediculed and was categorically mentioned that - why not totally vedic system and so on..so I mentioned, that is KP a pure "vedic" one? Yes, I too mentioned that - use of sub lord lacks the classical base. > > KP may be working technique, and if it is 100% working / successful one, its followers - perhaps, need not use any other technique. But I have many friends - who learnt from KP himself - but at some stage, they moved away from it. They all are very good astrologers, but for them, the technique lacked the consistent application. Since, I did not use KP - I am not competent to make any comment on its efficiency. > > You already answered that It is not !! > > I am not rediculing the KP system. I am just stating that, when we can import some of western technique into our "Vedic" one - then why should not we be open minded to outer planets as well. Unfortunately, that was read as criticism of KP system. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > > > > > jyotish_vani > > Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:28:22 -0000 > > > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > > > Prafulla, > > > > From my selective reading of messages recently, it seems that you are > > fending quite a few 'battles' these days, so please do not take this > > as another affront coming from a forum participant at you! :-) > > > > One gets the sense that here KP is being understood as a system that > > is moving closer to tropical astrology. I think that should be > > reviewed. KP only bears two similarities with tropical astrology, > > viz., its use of Placidus unequal house division and placing the cusp > > at the beginning of a house. > > Traditional 'vedic' system utilizes equal, sripati or whole sign > > houses and in each of these the cusp (such as rising degree) is > > placed at the middle of the house (which Lahiri described as a candle > > placed in the middle of the room with its light shining all corners > > of the room). > > > > In order for considering KP (or any other hybrid system) as being > > closer to western or tropical astrology, one would need to consider a > > few other factors: > > Aspects based on arcs (these are very different from jyotish aspects) > > Directions (primary, secondary, tertiary etc) > > Progressions > > Tropical zodiac > > Newer elements such as mid-points (ebertin -- although these are also > > utilized in a different manner in vedic), asteroids, newly discovered > > planets (relatively speaking). > > > > KP, therefore, is closer to jyotish than tropical astrology. > > > > RR > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western > > principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So > > when purity is already improvised by import of principles from > > western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Every exit is an entry somewhere. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> rajiventerprises@ > >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets > >>> > >>> Prafulla Bhai, > >>> > >>> I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in > >>> details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer, > >>> cause I dont know from which point to start answering You. > >>> > >>> regards/Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> \, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Has KP not synthesised western principles !! > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> rajiventerprises@ > >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Prafullaji. > >>>>> > >>>>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all > >>>>> information (Predective- and not essays on general > >>> characteristics) ) > >>>>> required and necessary about these planets for those interested, > >>>>> though I personally do not use these while predicting. > >>>>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune > >>>>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions > >>>>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and > >>> again > >>>>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive > >>>>> points. > >>>>> > >>>>> regards, > >>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear members > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western > >>>>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on > >>> these > >>>>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well > >>>>> individual charts. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, > >>> then > >>>>> the tables will never seem to turn. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ > >>>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity > >>>>> atleast > >>>>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the > > changes > >>> to > >>>>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any > >>> one > >>>>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know > > better > >>>>> than > >>>>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra > >>>>> terrestial > >>>>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years > >>> time, > >>>>>>> in human beings. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these > > planets > >>>>> have > >>>>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the > >>> effects > >>>>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as > >>>>> science > >>>>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space > >>>>> through > >>>>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by > >>>>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont > >>>>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of > >>>>>>> prognostications. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first > > prove > >>>>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired > >>>>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> regards, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> , "prasanna" > >>>>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay > > calm, > >>>>>>> adding > >>>>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system > > is > >>>>>>> creating > >>>>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls > > from > >>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While > >>>>> astrologers > >>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes > > around > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the > >>> three > >>>>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to > >>>>> drought. > >>>>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the > >>>>>>> public or > >>>>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are > >>>>> quick > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human > > lives. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing > > non- > >>>>> stop > >>>>>>> since > >>>>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a > >>>>> cause of > >>>>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people > > both > >>>>> in > >>>>>>> India > >>>>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring > > changes > >>>>> in > >>>>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also > >>>>> appear > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health > >>>>>>>> conditions." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and > >>>>> horoscopes > >>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo > > and > >>>>> he > >>>>>>> says, > >>>>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were > >>>>> following > >>>>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while > >>>>> making > >>>>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who > >>>>>>> discovered > >>>>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine > >>>>>>> planets > >>>>>>>> and they must have a reason for it." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any > >>>>> chances. > >>>>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is > > in a > >>>>>>> fix. He > >>>>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life > >>>>> partner > >>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not > >>>>> want to > >>>>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family > > want > >>>>> her > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and > > consulting > >>>>> our > >>>>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he > > says. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming > > weeks > >>> to > >>>>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from > >>>>>>> politicians to > >>>>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and > >>> says > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. > > Echoing > >>>>> Ravi > >>>>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar > > family > >>>>> and > >>>>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to > >>>>>>> affect the > >>>>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more > > years > >>>>>>> before > >>>>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Prasanna Kumar > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> / > >>>>>>>> </> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji Exactly, that is what I also believe in, and was trying to tell. The involvement of multiple technique (including import of principles from western astrology), is not an issue. The jyotish must be explored, in whichever way - but to arrive closer at predictive accuracy. regards / Prafulla Gang Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:21:25 -0000 > > Re: Fates hang on new planets > > Since no system can demonstrably claim 100% success, generally, I > personally see no reason why additional factors cannot be explored > and added to whatever basic framework is being used. Efficacy and not > some notion of "purity" should drive astrologers. None of us are > really historians or capable of providing evidence that absolutely > unarguably demonstrates that what we consider original and pure are > indeed so! > > If it rubs someone the wrong way, so be it!! > > RR > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Ranjan ji, >> >> Many thanks for your mail. >> >> I am aware that KP uses bit of tropical and vedic structure - sort > of hybrid system (yes, is more of vedic - true). My note was with > reference to the issue, when outer planets were rediculed and was > categorically mentioned that - why not totally vedic system and so > on..so I mentioned, that is KP a pure "vedic" one? Yes, I too > mentioned that - use of sub lord lacks the classical base. >> >> KP may be working technique, and if it is 100% working / successful > one, its followers - perhaps, need not use any other technique. But > I have many friends - who learnt from KP himself - but at some stage, > they moved away from it. They all are very good astrologers, but for > them, the technique lacked the consistent application. Since, I did > not use KP - I am not competent to make any comment on its efficiency. >> >> You already answered that It is not !! >> >> I am not rediculing the KP system. I am just stating that, when we > can import some of western technique into our "Vedic" one - then why > should not we be open minded to outer planets as well. Unfortunately, > that was read as criticism of KP system. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >> >> >>> >>> jyotish_vani >>> Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:28:22 -0000 >>> >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets >>> >>> Prafulla, >>> >>> From my selective reading of messages recently, it seems that you > are >>> fending quite a few 'battles' these days, so please do not take > this >>> as another affront coming from a forum participant at you! :-) >>> >>> One gets the sense that here KP is being understood as a system > that >>> is moving closer to tropical astrology. I think that should be >>> reviewed. KP only bears two similarities with tropical astrology, >>> viz., its use of Placidus unequal house division and placing the > cusp >>> at the beginning of a house. >>> Traditional 'vedic' system utilizes equal, sripati or whole sign >>> houses and in each of these the cusp (such as rising degree) is >>> placed at the middle of the house (which Lahiri described as a > candle >>> placed in the middle of the room with its light shining all > corners >>> of the room). >>> >>> In order for considering KP (or any other hybrid system) as being >>> closer to western or tropical astrology, one would need to > consider a >>> few other factors: >>> Aspects based on arcs (these are very different from jyotish > aspects) >>> Directions (primary, secondary, tertiary etc) >>> Progressions >>> Tropical zodiac >>> Newer elements such as mid-points (ebertin -- although these are > also >>> utilized in a different manner in vedic), asteroids, newly > discovered >>> planets (relatively speaking). >>> >>> KP, therefore, is closer to jyotish than tropical astrology. >>> >>> RR >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western >>> principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So >>> when purity is already improvised by import of principles from >>> western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets. >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets >>>>> >>>>> Prafulla Bhai, >>>>> >>>>> I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in >>>>> details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer, >>>>> cause I dont know from which point to start answering You. >>>>> >>>>> regards/Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> \, Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Has KP not synthesised western principles !! >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Prafullaji. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all >>>>>>> information (Predective- and not essays on general >>>>> characteristics) ) >>>>>>> required and necessary about these planets for those > interested, >>>>>>> though I personally do not use these while predicting. >>>>>>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune >>>>>>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions >>>>>>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and >>>>> again >>>>>>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive >>>>>>> points. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear members >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western >>>>>>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on >>>>> these >>>>>>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as > well >>>>>>> individual charts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite > them, >>>>> then >>>>>>> the tables will never seem to turn. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity >>>>>>> atleast >>>>>>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the >>> changes >>>>> to >>>>>>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can > any >>>>> one >>>>>>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know >>> better >>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra >>>>>>> terrestial >>>>>>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years >>>>> time, >>>>>>>>> in human beings. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these >>> planets >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the >>>>> effects >>>>>>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three > as >>>>>>> science >>>>>>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in > space >>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by >>>>>>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont >>>>>>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of >>>>>>>>> prognostications. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first >>> prove >>>>>>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us > desired >>>>>>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> , "prasanna" >>>>>>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay >>> calm, >>>>>>>>> adding >>>>>>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar > system >>> is >>>>>>>>> creating >>>>>>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls >>> from >>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While >>>>>>> astrologers >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes >>> around >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the >>>>> three >>>>>>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to >>>>>>> drought. >>>>>>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and > the >>>>>>>>> public or >>>>>>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they > are >>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human >>> lives. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing >>> non- >>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>>> since >>>>>>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a >>>>>>> cause of >>>>>>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people >>> both >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring >>> changes >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also >>>>>>> appear >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our > health >>>>>>>>>> conditions." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and >>>>>>> horoscopes >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo >>> and >>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>> says, >>>>>>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were >>>>>>> following >>>>>>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets > while >>>>>>> making >>>>>>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who >>>>>>>>> discovered >>>>>>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the > nine >>>>>>>>> planets >>>>>>>>>> and they must have a reason for it." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any >>>>>>> chances. >>>>>>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is >>> in a >>>>>>>>> fix. He >>>>>>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life >>>>>>> partner >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do > not >>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family >>> want >>>>>>> her >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and >>> consulting >>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he >>> says. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming >>> weeks >>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from >>>>>>>>> politicians to >>>>>>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and >>>>> says >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. >>> Echoing >>>>>>> Ravi >>>>>>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar >>> family >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely > to >>>>>>>>> affect the >>>>>>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more >>> years >>>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Prasanna Kumar >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> / >>>>>>>>>> </> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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