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Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm, adding

that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

 

The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is creating

chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from people

enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While astrologers are

using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around the

world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

 

Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three

planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to drought.

But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the public or

because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are quick to

add that these planets will have little effect on human lives.

 

Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non-stop since

the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a cause of

concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both in India

and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes in

astrological calculations and significant changes will also appear in

the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health

conditions."

 

However he is not recommending any changes to charts and horoscopes at

the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and he says,

"The planets were already in existence but since we were following

the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while making

the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who discovered

the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine planets

and they must have a reason for it."

 

Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any chances.

His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a fix. He

plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life partner will

still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not want to

be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want her to

be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting our

astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says.

 

While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to

re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from politicians to

movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says that

changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing Ravi

Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family and

bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to affect the

Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years before

the planetary change affect people's lives."

 

Courtsey : Deccan.com

 

Prasanna Kumar

 

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Dear,

 

No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity atleast

in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes to

effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any one

say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

 

Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better than

our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra terrestial

knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years time,

in human beings.

 

Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets have

been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the effects

and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

 

All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as science

advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space through

better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

visiting space ships and astronauts.

 

But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

see any reason to add further in our studies of

prognostications.

 

First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove

that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired

results. Can anyone prove this ?

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, "prasanna"

<wildflower2004 wrote:

>

>

> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm,

adding

> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

>

> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is

creating

> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from

people

> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While astrologers

are

> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around the

> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

>

> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three

> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to drought.

> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the

public or

> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are quick

to

> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives.

>

> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non-stop

since

> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a cause of

> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both in

India

> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes in

> astrological calculations and significant changes will also appear

in

> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health

> conditions."

>

> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and horoscopes

at

> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and he

says,

> "The planets were already in existence but since we were following

> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while making

> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

discovered

> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine

planets

> and they must have a reason for it."

>

> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any chances.

> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a

fix. He

> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life partner

will

> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not want to

> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want her

to

> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting our

> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says.

>

> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to

> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

politicians to

> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says

that

> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing Ravi

> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family and

> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to

affect the

> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years

before

> the planetary change affect people's lives."

>

> Courtsey : Deccan.com

>

> Prasanna Kumar

>

> /

> </>

>

>

>

>

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Dear members

 

I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on these outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well individual charts.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then the tables will never seem to turn.

 

 

>

> rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com

> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

>

> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>

> Dear,

>

> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity atleast

> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes to

> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any one

> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

>

> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better than

> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra terrestial

> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years time,

> in human beings.

>

> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets have

> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the effects

> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

>

> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as science

> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space through

> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

> visiting space ships and astronauts.

>

> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

> see any reason to add further in our studies of

> prognostications.

>

> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove

> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired

> results. Can anyone prove this ?

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , "prasanna"

> <wildflower2004 wrote:

>>

>>

>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm,

> adding

>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

>>

>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is

> creating

>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from

> people

>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While astrologers

> are

>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around the

>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

>>

>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three

>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to drought.

>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the

> public or

>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are quick

> to

>> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives.

>>

>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non-stop

> since

>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a cause of

>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both in

> India

>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes in

>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also appear

> in

>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health

>> conditions."

>>

>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and horoscopes

> at

>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and he

> says,

>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were following

>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while making

>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

> discovered

>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine

> planets

>> and they must have a reason for it."

>>

>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any chances.

>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a

> fix. He

>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life partner

> will

>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not want to

>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want her

> to

>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting our

>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says.

>>

>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to

>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

> politicians to

>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says

> that

>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing Ravi

>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family and

>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to

> affect the

>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years

> before

>> the planetary change affect people's lives."

>>

>> Courtsey : Deccan.com

>>

>> Prasanna Kumar

>>

>> /

>> </>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Dear Prafullaji.

 

If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all

information (Predective- and not essays on general characteristics) )

required and necessary about these planets for those interested,

though I personally do not use these while predicting.

You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune

therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions

and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and again

regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive

points.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear members

>

> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western

astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on these

outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well

individual charts.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then

the tables will never seem to turn.

>

>

> >

> > rajiventerprises

> > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

> >

> > Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >

> > Dear,

> >

> > No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity

atleast

> > in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes to

> > effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any one

> > say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

> >

> > Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better

than

> > our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra

terrestial

> > knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years time,

> > in human beings.

> >

> > Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets

have

> > been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the effects

> > and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

> >

> > All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as

science

> > advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space

through

> > better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

> > visiting space ships and astronauts.

> >

> > But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

> > see any reason to add further in our studies of

> > prognostications.

> >

> > First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove

> > that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired

> > results. Can anyone prove this ?

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , "prasanna"

> > <wildflower2004@> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm,

> > adding

> >> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

> >>

> >> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is

> > creating

> >> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from

> > people

> >> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While

astrologers

> > are

> >> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around

the

> >> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

> >>

> >> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three

> >> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to

drought.

> >> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the

> > public or

> >> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are

quick

> > to

> >> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives.

> >>

> >> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non-

stop

> > since

> >> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a

cause of

> >> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both

in

> > India

> >> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes

in

> >> astrological calculations and significant changes will also

appear

> > in

> >> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health

> >> conditions."

> >>

> >> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and

horoscopes

> > at

> >> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and

he

> > says,

> >> "The planets were already in existence but since we were

following

> >> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while

making

> >> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

> > discovered

> >> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine

> > planets

> >> and they must have a reason for it."

> >>

> >> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any

chances.

> >> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a

> > fix. He

> >> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life

partner

> > will

> >> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not

want to

> >> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want

her

> > to

> >> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting

our

> >> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says.

> >>

> >> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to

> >> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

> > politicians to

> >> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says

> > that

> >> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing

Ravi

> >> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family

and

> >> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to

> > affect the

> >> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years

> > before

> >> the planetary change affect people's lives."

> >>

> >> Courtsey : Deccan.com

> >>

> >> Prasanna Kumar

> >>

> >> /

> >> </>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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Dear Members:

 

I have to weigh in on this one as it gets into the mixing of western

astrology and Jyotish...

 

In the area of mundane astrology, which is probably the most complex

field in astrology, no Western astrologer using the "modern planets,"

Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, has even come close to the accuracy of B.V.

Raman. Raman's reputation was built on the accuracy of his predictions

on world events. B.V. Raman totally rejected the use of the

trans-Saturnian planets in Jyotish.

 

Experiment with them if you like, but I am convinced that any Vedic

astrologer worth his salt can delineate a horoscope with more accuracy

without using the trans-Saturnian planets and other astro-junk.

 

Even if we take a Western approach, who in the domain of modern

practicing Western astrologers using the trans-Saturnian planets has

come close to the accuracy of Guido Bonatti, Placidus de Titi, William

Lilly, Morinus and others who used only the visible planets and the

two shadow planets in their charts?

 

Just some thoughts,

Allen

 

allentefftjewelry.com

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear members

>

> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western astrology

background. I request them to present brief notes on these outer

planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well individual

charts.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then

the tables will never seem to turn.

>

>

> >

> > rajiventerprises

> > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

> >

> > Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >

> > Dear,

> >

> > No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity atleast

> > in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes to

> > effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any one

> > say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

> >

> > Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better than

> > our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra terrestial

> > knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years time,

> > in human beings.

> >

> > Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets have

> > been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the effects

> > and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

> >

> > All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as science

> > advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space through

> > better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

> > visiting space ships and astronauts.

> >

> > But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

> > see any reason to add further in our studies of

> > prognostications.

> >

> > First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove

> > that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired

> > results. Can anyone prove this ?

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , "prasanna"

> > <wildflower2004@> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm,

> > adding

> >> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

> >>

> >> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is

> > creating

> >> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from

> > people

> >> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While astrologers

> > are

> >> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around the

> >> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

> >>

> >> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three

> >> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to drought.

> >> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the

> > public or

> >> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are quick

> > to

> >> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives.

> >>

> >> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non-stop

> > since

> >> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a cause of

> >> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both in

> > India

> >> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes in

> >> astrological calculations and significant changes will also appear

> > in

> >> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health

> >> conditions."

> >>

> >> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and horoscopes

> > at

> >> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and he

> > says,

> >> "The planets were already in existence but since we were following

> >> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while making

> >> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

> > discovered

> >> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine

> > planets

> >> and they must have a reason for it."

> >>

> >> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any chances.

> >> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a

> > fix. He

> >> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life partner

> > will

> >> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not want to

> >> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want her

> > to

> >> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting our

> >> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says.

> >>

> >> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to

> >> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

> > politicians to

> >> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says

> > that

> >> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing Ravi

> >> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family and

> >> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to

> > affect the

> >> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years

> > before

> >> the planetary change affect people's lives."

> >>

> >> Courtsey : Deccan.com

> >>

> >> Prasanna Kumar

> >>

> >> /

> >> </>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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Dear Allen,

 

Very true.

There have been many who have shown(Shined)on the horizons ,by

making spectacular predictions on mundane with only 7 + 2.

At the same time without mixing these Extra Saturnian planets,

there is no harm to go through the list of predictive

measures (Whenever they are laid out by any member),

alloted to these planets and check their utility,while

we go through various natives horoscopes and judge,

of course without hampering our normal methods, ie.

not allowing our normal favourite ways to be influenced

in any way by this study.

We have to be open to all methods, but not ADOPT

any, which does not come from the Vedic heritage.

 

Regards,

Bhaskar..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Allen" <jyoteekat

wrote:

>

> Dear Members:

>

> I have to weigh in on this one as it gets into the mixing of western

> astrology and Jyotish...

>

> In the area of mundane astrology, which is probably the most complex

> field in astrology, no Western astrologer using the "modern

planets,"

> Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, has even come close to the accuracy of

B.V.

> Raman. Raman's reputation was built on the accuracy of his

predictions

> on world events. B.V. Raman totally rejected the use of the

> trans-Saturnian planets in Jyotish.

>

> Experiment with them if you like, but I am convinced that any Vedic

> astrologer worth his salt can delineate a horoscope with more

accuracy

> without using the trans-Saturnian planets and other astro-junk.

>

> Even if we take a Western approach, who in the domain of modern

> practicing Western astrologers using the trans-Saturnian planets has

> come close to the accuracy of Guido Bonatti, Placidus de Titi,

William

> Lilly, Morinus and others who used only the visible planets and the

> two shadow planets in their charts?

>

> Just some thoughts,

> Allen

>

> allentefftjewelry.com

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear members

> >

> > I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western

astrology

> background. I request them to present brief notes on these outer

> planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well

individual

> charts.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them,

then

> the tables will never seem to turn.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > rajiventerprises@

> > > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: Fates hang on new planets

> > >

> > > Dear,

> > >

> > > No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity

atleast

> > > in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes

to

> > > effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any

one

> > > say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

> > >

> > > Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better

than

> > > our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra

terrestial

> > > knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years

time,

> > > in human beings.

> > >

> > > Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these

planets have

> > > been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the

effects

> > > and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

> > >

> > > All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as

science

> > > advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space

through

> > > better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

> > > visiting space ships and astronauts.

> > >

> > > But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

> > > see any reason to add further in our studies of

> > > prognostications.

> > >

> > > First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove

> > > that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired

> > > results. Can anyone prove this ?

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "prasanna"

> > > <wildflower2004@> wrote:

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm,

> > > adding

> > >> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

> > >>

> > >> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is

> > > creating

> > >> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from

> > > people

> > >> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While

astrologers

> > > are

> > >> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around

the

> > >> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

> > >>

> > >> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the

three

> > >> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to

drought.

> > >> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the

> > > public or

> > >> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are

quick

> > > to

> > >> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives.

> > >>

> > >> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non-

stop

> > > since

> > >> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a

cause of

> > >> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people

both in

> > > India

> > >> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring

changes in

> > >> astrological calculations and significant changes will also

appear

> > > in

> > >> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health

> > >> conditions."

> > >>

> > >> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and

horoscopes

> > > at

> > >> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo

and he

> > > says,

> > >> "The planets were already in existence but since we were

following

> > >> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while

making

> > >> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

> > > discovered

> > >> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine

> > > planets

> > >> and they must have a reason for it."

> > >>

> > >> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any

chances.

> > >> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a

> > > fix. He

> > >> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life

partner

> > > will

> > >> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not

want to

> > >> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family

want her

> > > to

> > >> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting

our

> > >> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says.

> > >>

> > >> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks

to

> > >> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

> > > politicians to

> > >> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and

says

> > > that

> > >> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately.

Echoing Ravi

> > >> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family

and

> > >> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to

> > > affect the

> > >> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years

> > > before

> > >> the planetary change affect people's lives."

> > >>

> > >> Courtsey : Deccan.com

> > >>

> > >> Prasanna Kumar

> > >>

> > >> /

> > >> </>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

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Has KP not synthesised western principles !!

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Every exit is an entry somewhere.

 

 

>

> rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com

> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000

>

> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>

> Dear Prafullaji.

>

> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all

> information (Predective- and not essays on general characteristics) )

> required and necessary about these planets for those interested,

> though I personally do not use these while predicting.

> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune

> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions

> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and again

> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive

> points.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear members

>>

>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western

> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on these

> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well

> individual charts.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then

> the tables will never seem to turn.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> rajiventerprises

>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>>>

>>> Dear,

>>>

>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity

> atleast

>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes to

>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any one

>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

>>>

>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better

> than

>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra

> terrestial

>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years time,

>>> in human beings.

>>>

>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets

> have

>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the effects

>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

>>>

>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as

> science

>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space

> through

>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

>>> visiting space ships and astronauts.

>>>

>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of

>>> prognostications.

>>>

>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove

>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired

>>> results. Can anyone prove this ?

>>>

>>> regards,

>>>

>>> Bhaskar.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , "prasanna"

>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm,

>>> adding

>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

>>>>

>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is

>>> creating

>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from

>>> people

>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While

> astrologers

>>> are

>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around

> the

>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

>>>>

>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the three

>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to

> drought.

>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the

>>> public or

>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are

> quick

>>> to

>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives.

>>>>

>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non-

> stop

>>> since

>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a

> cause of

>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both

> in

>>> India

>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes

> in

>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also

> appear

>>> in

>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health

>>>> conditions."

>>>>

>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and

> horoscopes

>>> at

>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and

> he

>>> says,

>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were

> following

>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while

> making

>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

>>> discovered

>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine

>>> planets

>>>> and they must have a reason for it."

>>>>

>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any

> chances.

>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a

>>> fix. He

>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life

> partner

>>> will

>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not

> want to

>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want

> her

>>> to

>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting

> our

>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says.

>>>>

>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks to

>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

>>> politicians to

>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and says

>>> that

>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing

> Ravi

>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family

> and

>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to

>>> affect the

>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years

>>> before

>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives."

>>>>

>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com

>>>>

>>>> Prasanna Kumar

>>>>

>>>> /

>>>> </>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

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Prafulla Bhai,

 

I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in

details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer,

cause I dont know from which point to start answering You.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

\, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Has KP not synthesised western principles !!

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

>

>

> >

> > rajiventerprises

> > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000

> >

> > Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >

> > Dear Prafullaji.

> >

> > If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all

> > information (Predective- and not essays on general

characteristics) )

> > required and necessary about these planets for those interested,

> > though I personally do not use these while predicting.

> > You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune

> > therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions

> > and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and

again

> > regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive

> > points.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear members

> >>

> >> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western

> > astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on

these

> > outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well

> > individual charts.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them,

then

> > the tables will never seem to turn.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> rajiventerprises@

> >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

> >>>

> >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >>>

> >>> Dear,

> >>>

> >>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity

> > atleast

> >>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the changes

to

> >>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any

one

> >>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

> >>>

> >>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know better

> > than

> >>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra

> > terrestial

> >>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years

time,

> >>> in human beings.

> >>>

> >>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these planets

> > have

> >>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the

effects

> >>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

> >>>

> >>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as

> > science

> >>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space

> > through

> >>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

> >>> visiting space ships and astronauts.

> >>>

> >>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

> >>> see any reason to add further in our studies of

> >>> prognostications.

> >>>

> >>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first prove

> >>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired

> >>> results. Can anyone prove this ?

> >>>

> >>> regards,

> >>>

> >>> Bhaskar.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> , "prasanna"

> >>> <wildflower2004@> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay calm,

> >>> adding

> >>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

> >>>>

> >>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system is

> >>> creating

> >>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls from

> >>> people

> >>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While

> > astrologers

> >>> are

> >>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes around

> > the

> >>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

> >>>>

> >>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the

three

> >>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to

> > drought.

> >>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the

> >>> public or

> >>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are

> > quick

> >>> to

> >>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human lives.

> >>>>

> >>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing non-

> > stop

> >>> since

> >>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a

> > cause of

> >>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people both

> > in

> >>> India

> >>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring changes

> > in

> >>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also

> > appear

> >>> in

> >>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health

> >>>> conditions."

> >>>>

> >>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and

> > horoscopes

> >>> at

> >>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo and

> > he

> >>> says,

> >>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were

> > following

> >>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while

> > making

> >>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

> >>> discovered

> >>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine

> >>> planets

> >>>> and they must have a reason for it."

> >>>>

> >>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any

> > chances.

> >>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is in a

> >>> fix. He

> >>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life

> > partner

> >>> will

> >>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not

> > want to

> >>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family want

> > her

> >>> to

> >>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and consulting

> > our

> >>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he says.

> >>>>

> >>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming weeks

to

> >>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

> >>> politicians to

> >>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and

says

> >>> that

> >>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately. Echoing

> > Ravi

> >>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar family

> > and

> >>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to

> >>> affect the

> >>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more years

> >>> before

> >>>> the planetary change affect people's lives."

> >>>>

> >>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com

> >>>>

> >>>> Prasanna Kumar

> >>>>

> >>>> /

> >>>> </>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

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Your smartness is that You always hint. And leave the reader to

explain or answer your hint as if some grave crime is commited by the

reader or any system he prefers or uses but not advocates.

Western principles I do not think have been imported in totality by

anyone in India, maybe few techniques improvised. If anything

thing goes abroad from India, and is improvised there and again

taken from there and brought back to India and again improvised,

then what is the harm ?

If people like You and me spend our time arguing with each other than

naturally foreigners will take away our assets and we will have to

bring it back from there which would now come in a improvised manner,

and which we would still improve to suit Indian conditions. So no

harm there.

 

Importing western principles in KP or others , how can You first

say that these did not go to West from India, first prove that ?

 

The outer planets, we will listen to You and put it in the syllabus

of all astrology schools in India. But as I mentioned in previous

mail to You, which House Lordships would You give them and where

would they fit in Dasha schemes and what number of years would You

allot them ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western

principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So

when purity is already improvised by import of principles from

western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

>

>

> >

> > rajiventerprises

> > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000

> >

> > Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >

> > Prafulla Bhai,

> >

> > I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in

> > details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer,

> > cause I dont know from which point to start answering You.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > \, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Has KP not synthesised western principles !!

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> rajiventerprises@

> >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000

> >>>

> >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >>>

> >>> Dear Prafullaji.

> >>>

> >>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all

> >>> information (Predective- and not essays on general

> > characteristics) )

> >>> required and necessary about these planets for those interested,

> >>> though I personally do not use these while predicting.

> >>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune

> >>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions

> >>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and

> > again

> >>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive

> >>> points.

> >>>

> >>> regards,

> >>> Bhaskar.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear members

> >>>>

> >>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western

> >>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on

> > these

> >>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well

> >>> individual charts.

> >>>>

> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>

> >>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them,

> > then

> >>> the tables will never seem to turn.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> rajiventerprises@

> >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity

> >>> atleast

> >>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the

changes

> > to

> >>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any

> > one

> >>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know

better

> >>> than

> >>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra

> >>> terrestial

> >>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years

> > time,

> >>>>> in human beings.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these

planets

> >>> have

> >>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the

> > effects

> >>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as

> >>> science

> >>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space

> >>> through

> >>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

> >>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

> >>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of

> >>>>> prognostications.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first

prove

> >>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired

> >>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> regards,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , "prasanna"

> >>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay

calm,

> >>>>> adding

> >>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system

is

> >>>>> creating

> >>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls

from

> >>>>> people

> >>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While

> >>> astrologers

> >>>>> are

> >>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes

around

> >>> the

> >>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the

> > three

> >>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to

> >>> drought.

> >>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the

> >>>>> public or

> >>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are

> >>> quick

> >>>>> to

> >>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human

lives.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing

non-

> >>> stop

> >>>>> since

> >>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a

> >>> cause of

> >>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people

both

> >>> in

> >>>>> India

> >>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring

changes

> >>> in

> >>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also

> >>> appear

> >>>>> in

> >>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health

> >>>>>> conditions."

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and

> >>> horoscopes

> >>>>> at

> >>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo

and

> >>> he

> >>>>> says,

> >>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were

> >>> following

> >>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while

> >>> making

> >>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

> >>>>> discovered

> >>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine

> >>>>> planets

> >>>>>> and they must have a reason for it."

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any

> >>> chances.

> >>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is

in a

> >>>>> fix. He

> >>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life

> >>> partner

> >>>>> will

> >>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not

> >>> want to

> >>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family

want

> >>> her

> >>>>> to

> >>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and

consulting

> >>> our

> >>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he

says.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming

weeks

> > to

> >>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

> >>>>> politicians to

> >>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and

> > says

> >>>>> that

> >>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately.

Echoing

> >>> Ravi

> >>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar

family

> >>> and

> >>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to

> >>>>> affect the

> >>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more

years

> >>>>> before

> >>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives."

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Prasanna Kumar

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> /

> >>>>>> </>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

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Dear Bhaskar ji

 

I never said that we should not use western principles. I think, your message applies to more, who are rigid for vedic origin of astrology.

 

Which lordship you assign to Gulika, Mandi Yama etc !!

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Every exit is an entry somewhere.

 

 

>

> rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com

> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:42:25 -0000

>

> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>

> Your smartness is that You always hint. And leave the reader to

> explain or answer your hint as if some grave crime is commited by the

> reader or any system he prefers or uses but not advocates.

> Western principles I do not think have been imported in totality by

> anyone in India, maybe few techniques improvised. If anything

> thing goes abroad from India, and is improvised there and again

> taken from there and brought back to India and again improvised,

> then what is the harm ?

> If people like You and me spend our time arguing with each other than

> naturally foreigners will take away our assets and we will have to

> bring it back from there which would now come in a improvised manner,

> and which we would still improve to suit Indian conditions. So no

> harm there.

>

> Importing western principles in KP or others , how can You first

> say that these did not go to West from India, first prove that ?

>

> The outer planets, we will listen to You and put it in the syllabus

> of all astrology schools in India. But as I mentioned in previous

> mail to You, which House Lordships would You give them and where

> would they fit in Dasha schemes and what number of years would You

> allot them ?

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western

> principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So

> when purity is already improvised by import of principles from

> western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> rajiventerprises

>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>>>

>>> Prafulla Bhai,

>>>

>>> I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in

>>> details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer,

>>> cause I dont know from which point to start answering You.

>>>

>>> regards/Bhaskar.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> \, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Has KP not synthesised western principles !!

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> rajiventerprises@

>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Prafullaji.

>>>>>

>>>>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all

>>>>> information (Predective- and not essays on general

>>> characteristics) )

>>>>> required and necessary about these planets for those interested,

>>>>> though I personally do not use these while predicting.

>>>>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune

>>>>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions

>>>>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and

>>> again

>>>>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive

>>>>> points.

>>>>>

>>>>> regards,

>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear members

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western

>>>>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on

>>> these

>>>>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well

>>>>> individual charts.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them,

>>> then

>>>>> the tables will never seem to turn.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@

>>>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity

>>>>> atleast

>>>>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the

> changes

>>> to

>>>>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any

>>> one

>>>>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know

> better

>>>>> than

>>>>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra

>>>>> terrestial

>>>>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years

>>> time,

>>>>>>> in human beings.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these

> planets

>>>>> have

>>>>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the

>>> effects

>>>>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as

>>>>> science

>>>>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space

>>>>> through

>>>>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

>>>>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

>>>>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of

>>>>>>> prognostications.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first

> prove

>>>>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired

>>>>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> regards,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , "prasanna"

>>>>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay

> calm,

>>>>>>> adding

>>>>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system

> is

>>>>>>> creating

>>>>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls

> from

>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While

>>>>> astrologers

>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes

> around

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the

>>> three

>>>>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to

>>>>> drought.

>>>>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the

>>>>>>> public or

>>>>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are

>>>>> quick

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human

> lives.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing

> non-

>>>>> stop

>>>>>>> since

>>>>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a

>>>>> cause of

>>>>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people

> both

>>>>> in

>>>>>>> India

>>>>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring

> changes

>>>>> in

>>>>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also

>>>>> appear

>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health

>>>>>>>> conditions."

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and

>>>>> horoscopes

>>>>>>> at

>>>>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo

> and

>>>>> he

>>>>>>> says,

>>>>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were

>>>>> following

>>>>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while

>>>>> making

>>>>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

>>>>>>> discovered

>>>>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine

>>>>>>> planets

>>>>>>>> and they must have a reason for it."

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any

>>>>> chances.

>>>>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is

> in a

>>>>>>> fix. He

>>>>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life

>>>>> partner

>>>>>>> will

>>>>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not

>>>>> want to

>>>>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family

> want

>>>>> her

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and

> consulting

>>>>> our

>>>>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he

> says.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming

> weeks

>>> to

>>>>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

>>>>>>> politicians to

>>>>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and

>>> says

>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately.

> Echoing

>>>>> Ravi

>>>>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar

> family

>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to

>>>>>>> affect the

>>>>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more

> years

>>>>>>> before

>>>>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives."

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Prasanna Kumar

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> /

>>>>>>>> </>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

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Prafulla,

 

>From my selective reading of messages recently, it seems that you are

fending quite a few 'battles' these days, so please do not take this

as another affront coming from a forum participant at you! :-)

 

One gets the sense that here KP is being understood as a system that

is moving closer to tropical astrology. I think that should be

reviewed. KP only bears two similarities with tropical astrology,

viz., its use of Placidus unequal house division and placing the cusp

at the beginning of a house.

Traditional 'vedic' system utilizes equal, sripati or whole sign

houses and in each of these the cusp (such as rising degree) is

placed at the middle of the house (which Lahiri described as a candle

placed in the middle of the room with its light shining all corners

of the room).

 

In order for considering KP (or any other hybrid system) as being

closer to western or tropical astrology, one would need to consider a

few other factors:

Aspects based on arcs (these are very different from jyotish aspects)

Directions (primary, secondary, tertiary etc)

Progressions

Tropical zodiac

Newer elements such as mid-points (ebertin -- although these are also

utilized in a different manner in vedic), asteroids, newly discovered

planets (relatively speaking).

 

KP, therefore, is closer to jyotish than tropical astrology.

 

RR

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western

principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So

when purity is already improvised by import of principles from

western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

>

>

> >

> > rajiventerprises

> > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000

> >

> > Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >

> > Prafulla Bhai,

> >

> > I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in

> > details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer,

> > cause I dont know from which point to start answering You.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > \, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Has KP not synthesised western principles !!

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> rajiventerprises@

> >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000

> >>>

> >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >>>

> >>> Dear Prafullaji.

> >>>

> >>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all

> >>> information (Predective- and not essays on general

> > characteristics) )

> >>> required and necessary about these planets for those interested,

> >>> though I personally do not use these while predicting.

> >>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune

> >>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions

> >>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and

> > again

> >>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive

> >>> points.

> >>>

> >>> regards,

> >>> Bhaskar.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear members

> >>>>

> >>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western

> >>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on

> > these

> >>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well

> >>> individual charts.

> >>>>

> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>

> >>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them,

> > then

> >>> the tables will never seem to turn.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> rajiventerprises@

> >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity

> >>> atleast

> >>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the

changes

> > to

> >>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any

> > one

> >>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know

better

> >>> than

> >>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra

> >>> terrestial

> >>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years

> > time,

> >>>>> in human beings.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these

planets

> >>> have

> >>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the

> > effects

> >>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as

> >>> science

> >>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space

> >>> through

> >>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

> >>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

> >>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of

> >>>>> prognostications.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first

prove

> >>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired

> >>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> regards,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , "prasanna"

> >>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay

calm,

> >>>>> adding

> >>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system

is

> >>>>> creating

> >>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls

from

> >>>>> people

> >>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While

> >>> astrologers

> >>>>> are

> >>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes

around

> >>> the

> >>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the

> > three

> >>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to

> >>> drought.

> >>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the

> >>>>> public or

> >>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are

> >>> quick

> >>>>> to

> >>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human

lives.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing

non-

> >>> stop

> >>>>> since

> >>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a

> >>> cause of

> >>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people

both

> >>> in

> >>>>> India

> >>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring

changes

> >>> in

> >>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also

> >>> appear

> >>>>> in

> >>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health

> >>>>>> conditions."

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and

> >>> horoscopes

> >>>>> at

> >>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo

and

> >>> he

> >>>>> says,

> >>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were

> >>> following

> >>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while

> >>> making

> >>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

> >>>>> discovered

> >>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine

> >>>>> planets

> >>>>>> and they must have a reason for it."

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any

> >>> chances.

> >>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is

in a

> >>>>> fix. He

> >>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life

> >>> partner

> >>>>> will

> >>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not

> >>> want to

> >>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family

want

> >>> her

> >>>>> to

> >>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and

consulting

> >>> our

> >>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he

says.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming

weeks

> > to

> >>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

> >>>>> politicians to

> >>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and

> > says

> >>>>> that

> >>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately.

Echoing

> >>> Ravi

> >>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar

family

> >>> and

> >>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to

> >>>>> affect the

> >>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more

years

> >>>>> before

> >>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives."

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Prasanna Kumar

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> /

> >>>>>> </>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

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Shri Ranjanji,

 

Sorry for coming in.

This is the point exactly I was looking for from the astrologers

in this Group to point out. Thank God You know this and

have done the study.

 

Just Placidus unequal house system and placing the cusp at

the beginning of a house, is the only difference.

Rest is same.

 

But I am sure this must have been followed

thousands of years back in India too, when there was

no difference in Sayana or Nirayana.

 

This way of creating unequal Bhavas (Cusps) and then giving Lordship

of these Bhavas to the Cuspal Degreeical Lord,and thus shifting the

planets too in the process from here and there has been giving

good results from my experience in meeting people who

predict in this manner and found results very much satisfactory.

 

Thank You very much.

 

regards,

bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

In , "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Prafulla,

>

> From my selective reading of messages recently, it seems that you

are

> fending quite a few 'battles' these days, so please do not take

this

> as another affront coming from a forum participant at you! :-)

>

> One gets the sense that here KP is being understood as a system

that

> is moving closer to tropical astrology. I think that should be

> reviewed. KP only bears two similarities with tropical astrology,

> viz., its use of Placidus unequal house division and placing the

cusp

> at the beginning of a house.

> Traditional 'vedic' system utilizes equal, sripati or whole sign

> houses and in each of these the cusp (such as rising degree) is

> placed at the middle of the house (which Lahiri described as a

candle

> placed in the middle of the room with its light shining all corners

> of the room).

>

> In order for considering KP (or any other hybrid system) as being

> closer to western or tropical astrology, one would need to consider

a

> few other factors:

> Aspects based on arcs (these are very different from jyotish

aspects)

> Directions (primary, secondary, tertiary etc)

> Progressions

> Tropical zodiac

> Newer elements such as mid-points (ebertin -- although these are

also

> utilized in a different manner in vedic), asteroids, newly

discovered

> planets (relatively speaking).

>

> KP, therefore, is closer to jyotish than tropical astrology.

>

> RR

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western

> principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So

> when purity is already improvised by import of principles from

> western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > Every exit is an entry somewhere.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > rajiventerprises@

> > > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: Fates hang on new planets

> > >

> > > Prafulla Bhai,

> > >

> > > I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in

> > > details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer,

> > > cause I dont know from which point to start answering You.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > \, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Has KP not synthesised western principles !!

> > >>

> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>

> > >> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>> rajiventerprises@

> > >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000

> > >>>

> > >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Prafullaji.

> > >>>

> > >>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all

> > >>> information (Predective- and not essays on general

> > > characteristics) )

> > >>> required and necessary about these planets for those

interested,

> > >>> though I personally do not use these while predicting.

> > >>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune

> > >>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions

> > >>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and

> > > again

> > >>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive

> > >>> points.

> > >>>

> > >>> regards,

> > >>> Bhaskar.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > >>> wrote:

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Dear members

> > >>>>

> > >>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western

> > >>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on

> > > these

> > >>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as

well

> > >>> individual charts.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>>

> > >>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite

them,

> > > then

> > >>> the tables will never seem to turn.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> rajiventerprises@

> > >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Dear,

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity

> > >>> atleast

> > >>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the

> changes

> > > to

> > >>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can

any

> > > one

> > >>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know

> better

> > >>> than

> > >>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra

> > >>> terrestial

> > >>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years

> > > time,

> > >>>>> in human beings.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these

> planets

> > >>> have

> > >>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the

> > > effects

> > >>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three

as

> > >>> science

> > >>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in

space

> > >>> through

> > >>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

> > >>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

> > >>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of

> > >>>>> prognostications.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first

> prove

> > >>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us

desired

> > >>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ?

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> regards,

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Bhaskar.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> , "prasanna"

> > >>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote:

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay

> calm,

> > >>>>> adding

> > >>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar

system

> is

> > >>>>> creating

> > >>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls

> from

> > >>>>> people

> > >>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While

> > >>> astrologers

> > >>>>> are

> > >>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes

> around

> > >>> the

> > >>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the

> > > three

> > >>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to

> > >>> drought.

> > >>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and

the

> > >>>>> public or

> > >>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they

are

> > >>> quick

> > >>>>> to

> > >>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human

> lives.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing

> non-

> > >>> stop

> > >>>>> since

> > >>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a

> > >>> cause of

> > >>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people

> both

> > >>> in

> > >>>>> India

> > >>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring

> changes

> > >>> in

> > >>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also

> > >>> appear

> > >>>>> in

> > >>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our

health

> > >>>>>> conditions."

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and

> > >>> horoscopes

> > >>>>> at

> > >>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status

quo

> and

> > >>> he

> > >>>>> says,

> > >>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were

> > >>> following

> > >>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets

while

> > >>> making

> > >>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

> > >>>>> discovered

> > >>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the

nine

> > >>>>> planets

> > >>>>>> and they must have a reason for it."

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any

> > >>> chances.

> > >>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is

> in a

> > >>>>> fix. He

> > >>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life

> > >>> partner

> > >>>>> will

> > >>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do

not

> > >>> want to

> > >>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family

> want

> > >>> her

> > >>>>> to

> > >>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and

> consulting

> > >>> our

> > >>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he

> says.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming

> weeks

> > > to

> > >>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

> > >>>>> politicians to

> > >>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and

> > > says

> > >>>>> that

> > >>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately.

> Echoing

> > >>> Ravi

> > >>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar

> family

> > >>> and

> > >>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely

to

> > >>>>> affect the

> > >>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more

> years

> > >>>>> before

> > >>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives."

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Prasanna Kumar

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> /

> > >>>>>> </>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

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Dear Ranjan ji,

 

Many thanks for your mail.

 

I am aware that KP uses bit of tropical and vedic structure - sort of hybrid system (yes, is more of vedic - true). My note was with reference to the issue, when outer planets were rediculed and was categorically mentioned that - why not totally vedic system and so on..so I mentioned, that is KP a pure "vedic" one? Yes, I too mentioned that - use of sub lord lacks the classical base.

 

KP may be working technique, and if it is 100% working / successful one, its followers - perhaps, need not use any other technique. But I have many friends - who learnt from KP himself - but at some stage, they moved away from it. They all are very good astrologers, but for them, the technique lacked the consistent application. Since, I did not use KP - I am not competent to make any comment on its efficiency.

 

You already answered that It is not !!

 

I am not rediculing the KP system. I am just stating that, when we can import some of western technique into our "Vedic" one - then why should not we be open minded to outer planets as well. Unfortunately, that was read as criticism of KP system.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Every exit is an entry somewhere.

 

 

>

> jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

> Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:28:22 -0000

>

> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>

> Prafulla,

>

> From my selective reading of messages recently, it seems that you are

> fending quite a few 'battles' these days, so please do not take this

> as another affront coming from a forum participant at you! :-)

>

> One gets the sense that here KP is being understood as a system that

> is moving closer to tropical astrology. I think that should be

> reviewed. KP only bears two similarities with tropical astrology,

> viz., its use of Placidus unequal house division and placing the cusp

> at the beginning of a house.

> Traditional 'vedic' system utilizes equal, sripati or whole sign

> houses and in each of these the cusp (such as rising degree) is

> placed at the middle of the house (which Lahiri described as a candle

> placed in the middle of the room with its light shining all corners

> of the room).

>

> In order for considering KP (or any other hybrid system) as being

> closer to western or tropical astrology, one would need to consider a

> few other factors:

> Aspects based on arcs (these are very different from jyotish aspects)

> Directions (primary, secondary, tertiary etc)

> Progressions

> Tropical zodiac

> Newer elements such as mid-points (ebertin -- although these are also

> utilized in a different manner in vedic), asteroids, newly discovered

> planets (relatively speaking).

>

> KP, therefore, is closer to jyotish than tropical astrology.

>

> RR

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western

> principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So

> when purity is already improvised by import of principles from

> western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> rajiventerprises

>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>>>

>>> Prafulla Bhai,

>>>

>>> I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in

>>> details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer,

>>> cause I dont know from which point to start answering You.

>>>

>>> regards/Bhaskar.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> \, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Has KP not synthesised western principles !!

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> rajiventerprises@

>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Prafullaji.

>>>>>

>>>>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all

>>>>> information (Predective- and not essays on general

>>> characteristics) )

>>>>> required and necessary about these planets for those interested,

>>>>> though I personally do not use these while predicting.

>>>>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune

>>>>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions

>>>>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and

>>> again

>>>>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive

>>>>> points.

>>>>>

>>>>> regards,

>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear members

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western

>>>>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on

>>> these

>>>>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as well

>>>>> individual charts.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them,

>>> then

>>>>> the tables will never seem to turn.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@

>>>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity

>>>>> atleast

>>>>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the

> changes

>>> to

>>>>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can any

>>> one

>>>>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know

> better

>>>>> than

>>>>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra

>>>>> terrestial

>>>>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years

>>> time,

>>>>>>> in human beings.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these

> planets

>>>>> have

>>>>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the

>>> effects

>>>>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three as

>>>>> science

>>>>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in space

>>>>> through

>>>>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

>>>>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

>>>>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of

>>>>>>> prognostications.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first

> prove

>>>>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us desired

>>>>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> regards,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , "prasanna"

>>>>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay

> calm,

>>>>>>> adding

>>>>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar system

> is

>>>>>>> creating

>>>>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls

> from

>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While

>>>>> astrologers

>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes

> around

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the

>>> three

>>>>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to

>>>>> drought.

>>>>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and the

>>>>>>> public or

>>>>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they are

>>>>> quick

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human

> lives.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing

> non-

>>>>> stop

>>>>>>> since

>>>>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a

>>>>> cause of

>>>>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people

> both

>>>>> in

>>>>>>> India

>>>>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring

> changes

>>>>> in

>>>>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also

>>>>> appear

>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our health

>>>>>>>> conditions."

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and

>>>>> horoscopes

>>>>>>> at

>>>>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo

> and

>>>>> he

>>>>>>> says,

>>>>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were

>>>>> following

>>>>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets while

>>>>> making

>>>>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

>>>>>>> discovered

>>>>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the nine

>>>>>>> planets

>>>>>>>> and they must have a reason for it."

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any

>>>>> chances.

>>>>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is

> in a

>>>>>>> fix. He

>>>>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life

>>>>> partner

>>>>>>> will

>>>>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do not

>>>>> want to

>>>>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family

> want

>>>>> her

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and

> consulting

>>>>> our

>>>>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he

> says.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming

> weeks

>>> to

>>>>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

>>>>>>> politicians to

>>>>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and

>>> says

>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately.

> Echoing

>>>>> Ravi

>>>>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar

> family

>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely to

>>>>>>> affect the

>>>>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more

> years

>>>>>>> before

>>>>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives."

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Prasanna Kumar

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> /

>>>>>>>> </>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

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Since no system can demonstrably claim 100% success, generally, I

personally see no reason why additional factors cannot be explored

and added to whatever basic framework is being used. Efficacy and not

some notion of "purity" should drive astrologers. None of us are

really historians or capable of providing evidence that absolutely

unarguably demonstrates that what we consider original and pure are

indeed so!

 

If it rubs someone the wrong way, so be it!!

 

RR

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan ji,

>

> Many thanks for your mail.

>

> I am aware that KP uses bit of tropical and vedic structure - sort

of hybrid system (yes, is more of vedic - true). My note was with

reference to the issue, when outer planets were rediculed and was

categorically mentioned that - why not totally vedic system and so

on..so I mentioned, that is KP a pure "vedic" one? Yes, I too

mentioned that - use of sub lord lacks the classical base.

>

> KP may be working technique, and if it is 100% working / successful

one, its followers - perhaps, need not use any other technique. But

I have many friends - who learnt from KP himself - but at some stage,

they moved away from it. They all are very good astrologers, but for

them, the technique lacked the consistent application. Since, I did

not use KP - I am not competent to make any comment on its efficiency.

>

> You already answered that It is not !!

>

> I am not rediculing the KP system. I am just stating that, when we

can import some of western technique into our "Vedic" one - then why

should not we be open minded to outer planets as well. Unfortunately,

that was read as criticism of KP system.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

>

>

> >

> > jyotish_vani

> > Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:28:22 -0000

> >

> > Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >

> > Prafulla,

> >

> > From my selective reading of messages recently, it seems that you

are

> > fending quite a few 'battles' these days, so please do not take

this

> > as another affront coming from a forum participant at you! :-)

> >

> > One gets the sense that here KP is being understood as a system

that

> > is moving closer to tropical astrology. I think that should be

> > reviewed. KP only bears two similarities with tropical astrology,

> > viz., its use of Placidus unequal house division and placing the

cusp

> > at the beginning of a house.

> > Traditional 'vedic' system utilizes equal, sripati or whole sign

> > houses and in each of these the cusp (such as rising degree) is

> > placed at the middle of the house (which Lahiri described as a

candle

> > placed in the middle of the room with its light shining all

corners

> > of the room).

> >

> > In order for considering KP (or any other hybrid system) as being

> > closer to western or tropical astrology, one would need to

consider a

> > few other factors:

> > Aspects based on arcs (these are very different from jyotish

aspects)

> > Directions (primary, secondary, tertiary etc)

> > Progressions

> > Tropical zodiac

> > Newer elements such as mid-points (ebertin -- although these are

also

> > utilized in a different manner in vedic), asteroids, newly

discovered

> > planets (relatively speaking).

> >

> > KP, therefore, is closer to jyotish than tropical astrology.

> >

> > RR

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western

> > principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So

> > when purity is already improvised by import of principles from

> > western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> rajiventerprises@

> >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000

> >>>

> >>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >>>

> >>> Prafulla Bhai,

> >>>

> >>> I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in

> >>> details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer,

> >>> cause I dont know from which point to start answering You.

> >>>

> >>> regards/Bhaskar.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> \, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Has KP not synthesised western principles !!

> >>>>

> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>

> >>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> rajiventerprises@

> >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Prafullaji.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all

> >>>>> information (Predective- and not essays on general

> >>> characteristics) )

> >>>>> required and necessary about these planets for those

interested,

> >>>>> though I personally do not use these while predicting.

> >>>>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune

> >>>>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions

> >>>>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and

> >>> again

> >>>>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive

> >>>>> points.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> regards,

> >>>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> >>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Dear members

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western

> >>>>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on

> >>> these

> >>>>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as

well

> >>>>> individual charts.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite

them,

> >>> then

> >>>>> the tables will never seem to turn.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> rajiventerprises@

> >>>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Dear,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity

> >>>>> atleast

> >>>>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the

> > changes

> >>> to

> >>>>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can

any

> >>> one

> >>>>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know

> > better

> >>>>> than

> >>>>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra

> >>>>> terrestial

> >>>>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years

> >>> time,

> >>>>>>> in human beings.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these

> > planets

> >>>>> have

> >>>>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the

> >>> effects

> >>>>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three

as

> >>>>> science

> >>>>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in

space

> >>>>> through

> >>>>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

> >>>>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

> >>>>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of

> >>>>>>> prognostications.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first

> > prove

> >>>>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us

desired

> >>>>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> regards,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> , "prasanna"

> >>>>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay

> > calm,

> >>>>>>> adding

> >>>>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar

system

> > is

> >>>>>>> creating

> >>>>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls

> > from

> >>>>>>> people

> >>>>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While

> >>>>> astrologers

> >>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes

> > around

> >>>>> the

> >>>>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the

> >>> three

> >>>>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to

> >>>>> drought.

> >>>>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and

the

> >>>>>>> public or

> >>>>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they

are

> >>>>> quick

> >>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human

> > lives.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing

> > non-

> >>>>> stop

> >>>>>>> since

> >>>>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a

> >>>>> cause of

> >>>>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people

> > both

> >>>>> in

> >>>>>>> India

> >>>>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring

> > changes

> >>>>> in

> >>>>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also

> >>>>> appear

> >>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our

health

> >>>>>>>> conditions."

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and

> >>>>> horoscopes

> >>>>>>> at

> >>>>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo

> > and

> >>>>> he

> >>>>>>> says,

> >>>>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were

> >>>>> following

> >>>>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets

while

> >>>>> making

> >>>>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

> >>>>>>> discovered

> >>>>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the

nine

> >>>>>>> planets

> >>>>>>>> and they must have a reason for it."

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any

> >>>>> chances.

> >>>>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is

> > in a

> >>>>>>> fix. He

> >>>>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life

> >>>>> partner

> >>>>>>> will

> >>>>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do

not

> >>>>> want to

> >>>>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family

> > want

> >>>>> her

> >>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and

> > consulting

> >>>>> our

> >>>>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he

> > says.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming

> > weeks

> >>> to

> >>>>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

> >>>>>>> politicians to

> >>>>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and

> >>> says

> >>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately.

> > Echoing

> >>>>> Ravi

> >>>>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar

> > family

> >>>>> and

> >>>>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely

to

> >>>>>>> affect the

> >>>>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more

> > years

> >>>>>>> before

> >>>>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives."

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Prasanna Kumar

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> /

> >>>>>>>> </>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

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Dear Ranjan ji

 

Exactly, that is what I also believe in, and was trying to tell. The involvement of multiple technique (including import of principles from western astrology), is not an issue. The jyotish must be explored, in whichever way - but to arrive closer at predictive accuracy.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Every exit is an entry somewhere.

 

 

>

> jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

> Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:21:25 -0000

>

> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>

> Since no system can demonstrably claim 100% success, generally, I

> personally see no reason why additional factors cannot be explored

> and added to whatever basic framework is being used. Efficacy and not

> some notion of "purity" should drive astrologers. None of us are

> really historians or capable of providing evidence that absolutely

> unarguably demonstrates that what we consider original and pure are

> indeed so!

>

> If it rubs someone the wrong way, so be it!!

>

> RR

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Ranjan ji,

>>

>> Many thanks for your mail.

>>

>> I am aware that KP uses bit of tropical and vedic structure - sort

> of hybrid system (yes, is more of vedic - true). My note was with

> reference to the issue, when outer planets were rediculed and was

> categorically mentioned that - why not totally vedic system and so

> on..so I mentioned, that is KP a pure "vedic" one? Yes, I too

> mentioned that - use of sub lord lacks the classical base.

>>

>> KP may be working technique, and if it is 100% working / successful

> one, its followers - perhaps, need not use any other technique. But

> I have many friends - who learnt from KP himself - but at some stage,

> they moved away from it. They all are very good astrologers, but for

> them, the technique lacked the consistent application. Since, I did

> not use KP - I am not competent to make any comment on its efficiency.

>>

>> You already answered that It is not !!

>>

>> I am not rediculing the KP system. I am just stating that, when we

> can import some of western technique into our "Vedic" one - then why

> should not we be open minded to outer planets as well. Unfortunately,

> that was read as criticism of KP system.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> jyotish_vani

>>> Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:28:22 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>>>

>>> Prafulla,

>>>

>>> From my selective reading of messages recently, it seems that you

> are

>>> fending quite a few 'battles' these days, so please do not take

> this

>>> as another affront coming from a forum participant at you! :-)

>>>

>>> One gets the sense that here KP is being understood as a system

> that

>>> is moving closer to tropical astrology. I think that should be

>>> reviewed. KP only bears two similarities with tropical astrology,

>>> viz., its use of Placidus unequal house division and placing the

> cusp

>>> at the beginning of a house.

>>> Traditional 'vedic' system utilizes equal, sripati or whole sign

>>> houses and in each of these the cusp (such as rising degree) is

>>> placed at the middle of the house (which Lahiri described as a

> candle

>>> placed in the middle of the room with its light shining all

> corners

>>> of the room).

>>>

>>> In order for considering KP (or any other hybrid system) as being

>>> closer to western or tropical astrology, one would need to

> consider a

>>> few other factors:

>>> Aspects based on arcs (these are very different from jyotish

> aspects)

>>> Directions (primary, secondary, tertiary etc)

>>> Progressions

>>> Tropical zodiac

>>> Newer elements such as mid-points (ebertin -- although these are

> also

>>> utilized in a different manner in vedic), asteroids, newly

> discovered

>>> planets (relatively speaking).

>>>

>>> KP, therefore, is closer to jyotish than tropical astrology.

>>>

>>> RR

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> I did not post the question. I tried to hint that - western

>>> principles are already there, in so called "vedic" techniques. So

>>> when purity is already improvised by import of principles from

>>> western jyotish in KP ( and few others), why not outer planets.

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> rajiventerprises@

>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:47 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>>>>>

>>>>> Prafulla Bhai,

>>>>>

>>>>> I did not understand that statement. Can You put the question in

>>>>> details with supporting data ? so that I can work on the answer,

>>>>> cause I dont know from which point to start answering You.

>>>>>

>>>>> regards/Bhaskar.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> \, Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Has KP not synthesised western principles !!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@

>>>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:27:42 -0000

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Prafullaji.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If You can remind me after a fortnight or so, I can put up all

>>>>>>> information (Predective- and not essays on general

>>>>> characteristics) )

>>>>>>> required and necessary about these planets for those

> interested,

>>>>>>> though I personally do not use these while predicting.

>>>>>>> You will find interesting mention of Uranus and Neptune

>>>>>>> therein to Astrologers-abilities and also psycho eruptions

>>>>>>> and mood variations in individuals plus total dissolution and

>>>>> again

>>>>>>> regeneration with reference to Pluto being placed on sensitive

>>>>>>> points.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> regards,

>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear members

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I am sure, on our forum - few members must be with western

>>>>>>> astrology background. I request them to present brief notes on

>>>>> these

>>>>>>> outer planets and their interpretation model for mundane as

> well

>>>>>>> individual charts.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite

> them,

>>>>> then

>>>>>>> the tables will never seem to turn.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@

>>>>>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0000

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Re: Fates hang on new planets

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Dear,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> No one living today should have the audacity or authenticity

>>>>>>> atleast

>>>>>>>>> in India to suggest, that it will take 30 years for the

>>> changes

>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> effect in a mans life due to these 3 planets, neither can

> any

>>>>> one

>>>>>>>>> say that for the moment keep the horoscope same as it is.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Because by suggesting above it is implied that they know

>>> better

>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>>> our Rishi Munis , and also it implies that they have extra

>>>>>>> terrestial

>>>>>>>>> knowledge to say that the effects would manifest in 30 years

>>>>> time,

>>>>>>>>> in human beings.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Also the mail has mentioned that and accepted that these

>>> planets

>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>>> been in existence for long, so how come NOW we can see the

>>>>> effects

>>>>>>>>> and not before ? Or in Future how can we see ?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> All this talk is hum bug and waste of time. Not just three

> as

>>>>>>> science

>>>>>>>>> advances we shall be witnessing more and more bodies in

> space

>>>>>>> through

>>>>>>>>> better telescopes, satellites and space photography, or by

>>>>>>>>> visiting space ships and astronauts.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> But we have been succesful with these nine planets, and dont

>>>>>>>>> see any reason to add further in our studies of

>>>>>>>>> prognostications.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> First of all, to add any further planet, we have to first

>>> prove

>>>>>>>>> that, these nine planets are not capable of giving us

> desired

>>>>>>>>> results. Can anyone prove this ?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> regards,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> , "prasanna"

>>>>>>>>> <wildflower2004@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Deluged with calls, astrologers have asked people to stay

>>> calm,

>>>>>>>>> adding

>>>>>>>>>> that an immediate change in horoscopes is not required

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The likely addition of three new planets to our solar

> system

>>> is

>>>>>>>>> creating

>>>>>>>>>> chaos for astrologers, who are being bombarded with calls

>>> from

>>>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>>> enquiring about the status of their birth charts. While

>>>>>>> astrologers

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> using this discovery to explain extreme climate changes

>>> around

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> world, the common man is more concerned about his own fate.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Some astrologers are having an "A ha!" moment, blaming the

>>>>> three

>>>>>>>>>> planets for natural disasters from the Tsunami to floods to

>>>>>>> drought.

>>>>>>>>>> But, perhaps to stem rising panic among their clients and

> the

>>>>>>>>> public or

>>>>>>>>>> because they genuinely cannot yet gauge the impact, they

> are

>>>>>>> quick

>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>> add that these planets will have little effect on human

>>> lives.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Astro-scientist, Ravi Kumar, whose phone has been ringing

>>> non-

>>>>>>> stop

>>>>>>>>> since

>>>>>>>>>> the announcement of the new planets, says, "It has become a

>>>>>>> cause of

>>>>>>>>>> concern for most and I have had calls about it from people

>>> both

>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>> India

>>>>>>>>>> and abroad. The three new planets will definitely bring

>>> changes

>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>> astrological calculations and significant changes will also

>>>>>>> appear

>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>> the climatic conditions. This will in turn affect our

> health

>>>>>>>>>> conditions."

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> However he is not recommending any changes to charts and

>>>>>>> horoscopes

>>>>>>>>> at

>>>>>>>>>> the moment. Asked why he prefers to maintain the status quo

>>> and

>>>>>>> he

>>>>>>>>> says,

>>>>>>>>>> "The planets were already in existence but since we were

>>>>>>> following

>>>>>>>>>> the old pattern, we didn't factor in these new planets

> while

>>>>>>> making

>>>>>>>>>> the horoscopes. Ancient sages like Mahamuni and Jaimuni who

>>>>>>>>> discovered

>>>>>>>>>> the science of astrology followed the old pattern of the

> nine

>>>>>>>>> planets

>>>>>>>>>> and they must have a reason for it."

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Rakesh Agarwal is one person who doesn't plan to take any

>>>>>>> chances.

>>>>>>>>>> His wedding was recently fixed for next year and now he is

>>> in a

>>>>>>>>> fix. He

>>>>>>>>>> plans to find out if the woman he has chosen to be his life

>>>>>>> partner

>>>>>>>>> will

>>>>>>>>>> still be an ideal spouse. She too is in agreement. "I do

> not

>>>>>>> want to

>>>>>>>>>> be stuck in a bad relationship and neither does her family

>>> want

>>>>>>> her

>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>> be unhappy. So, we are making new birth chakras and

>>> consulting

>>>>>>> our

>>>>>>>>>> astrologer in a week's time to find out the results," he

>>> says.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> While astrologers are likely to see a mad rush in coming

>>> weeks

>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>> re-make horoscopes and re-read fortunes by everyone from

>>>>>>>>> politicians to

>>>>>>>>>> movie stars, astrologer Gopal Krishna Murthy urges calm and

>>>>> says

>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>> changes in the horoscopes are not required immediately.

>>> Echoing

>>>>>>> Ravi

>>>>>>>>>> Kumar, he says "The three planets will affect the solar

>>> family

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>> bring about a lot of weather changes. They are more likely

> to

>>>>>>>>> affect the

>>>>>>>>>> Earth rather than individuals. It will take about 30 more

>>> years

>>>>>>>>> before

>>>>>>>>>> the planetary change affect people's lives."

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Courtsey : Deccan.com

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Prasanna Kumar

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> /

>>>>>>>>>> </>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

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