Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Bhaskar, Sumit, Vivek, I had refered u to read my post Message #24955 dt 25/2 on malefics redefined. can cover some of ur doubts too. Bhaskar <rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sumitji, Me and Prafullaji were talking of solitary 8th house or 8th Lord being fortified.,for earning money. We were not talking of exchanges. If we talk of exchanges then Lord of 8th house who are having dual ownership too, there will be hundreds of cases where we can show lots of money being earned by speculation or so many other matters. In your example You are bringing 3 planets in play to form that Yoga which I am not going into to check, as it will take more time. regards, Bhaskar. , Sumit Bajaj <sumitbajaj2000 wrote: > > Dear Prafullji, > > What happens if there is mercury in 5th house debilitated beign 8th house lord in scorpion. Mercury is in exchange with Jupiter in 11th House and venus exalted in 5th house as well. As per my analysis it is a tremendous speculation money-givign yoga. > > May God Bless All > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > Dear Bhaskar ji > > For all bulk gains / unearned gains - role of 8th lord and 5th lord (and houses) are critical. I have predicted in past quite sucessfully, with 8th house. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > > > > > rajiventerprises > > Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:49:24 -0000 > > > > Re: 8th house and disappointments > > > > That has got no connection. On the contrary if connection is there > > then it indicates losses. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Can one earn from lottery / speculation, without fortified 8th > > house and 8th lord ? > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life > > be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> rajiventerprises@ > >>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:09:57 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: 8th house and disappointments > >>> > >>> Sorry aapko late jawab diya. Soch kar dena padta hai aapko jara. > >>> > >>> I would see lottery, speculation, share market from 5th house, > >>> investments in Mutual Funds and alike from 12th house, > >>> and lotteries from 5th house too, > >>> > >>> But Business money i would see from 6th House. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> what about lottery, money from business !!! > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > > life > >>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> rajiventerprises@ > >>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:02:48 -0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: 8th house and disappointments > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear, > >>>>> > >>>>> Among the good attributes which can be recd. from the 8th house. > >>>>> > >>>>> -Long life. > >>>>> -properties of wife recd. as stree dhan. > >>>>> -others money recd. to study. > >>>>> > >>>>> But whatever money/wealth is recd, will come only after some > >>>>> unhappiness Ghatna (Incident)for ex. Get inheritance of fathers > >>>>> wealth after his death, Get Funds, Gratuity, after retired from > >>>>> service or expelled from service, Insurance money after some > > limb > >>>>> lost by accident, > >>>>> and also dowry money (Dowry does not always come in with > > respect). > >>>>> > >>>>> regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Vivek ji > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Many thanks for posting your research capsule. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> When does 8th lord / planets in 8th can give good results, not > >>> the > >>>>> disappointments? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I know few, posting here for reference: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 8th house is the only house - along with 5th - which can bless > >>> huge > >>>>> wealth. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2nd lord in 8th is preferred than being in 2nd. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 7th lord in 8th ensures contunity of married life. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > >>> life > >>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> viveck2001@ > >>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:16:41 -0000 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 8th house and disappointments > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear members, > >>>>>>> There are two terms disappointment and the > > second > >>> is > >>>>>>> depression. Here I am going to discuss about disappointments. > > In > >>>>>>> our chart 8th house is very important. So many astrologers > > takes > >>>>>>> its importance or call it house of accident,death etc which I > >>> will > >>>>>>> discuss later now i am going to concentrate only on the above > >>>>> word. > >>>>>>> first see this house in your chart ok. Is this empety(no > >>> planets) > >>>>>>> in this house. This is very good for you. Because the planet > >>> like > >>>>>>> saturn karka also plays a very negative role(makes a person) > >>>>> allmost > >>>>>>> alone(good for age matters). Now second if some planet like > >>> mars, > >>>>>>> ketu and sun occupying this house gives bad effects becomes > >>> cause > >>>>>>> of several disappointments(nature is somewhat very rash) but > > if > >>>>> they > >>>>>>> owns this house disappointent > >>>>>>> level also increase with the same strenth. Here some > > astrologers > >>>>>>> can say a planet not destroy his own house. No sir a planet if > >>>>> that > >>>>>>> is in his house if in transit it becomes vakri or debiliated > >>>>> always > >>>>>>> gives very > >>>>>>> bad results.Because planet behaves just like ruling planet if > > it > >>>>> is > >>>>>>> in its own house. Now see where eighth house lord is situated > >>> and > >>>>>>> with whom. Disappointment level again increases if it is in > > 5th > >>>>>>> house or 1st house and if it is with moon. Yes if moon is in > >>>>>>> conjuction with 8th lord, then moon dasha allmost go in > >>>>>>> dissappointments. if moon is the 8th owner(dhanu lagan). then > > it > >>>>>>> is very neceassary to see some cruel planet must not > > disturbing > >>>>>>> moon. Other wise the planet in conj. with moon play a negative > >>>>>>> role in its dasha. If both the conditions satisfy I mean 8th > >>> lord > >>>>>>> with bad planets or itself not good and moon also badly placed > >>>>>>> with fifth house also damaged then that becomes a bad chart > > and > >>>>>>> only remedies with changing dasha antar dasha can keep some > >>>>> harmony. > >>>>>>> example: > >>>>>>> (1) You never expected this thing can happen but it > >>> happened > >>>>>>> see somewhere your 8th house that is playing a very big role. > >>>>>>> (2) Something which looks impossible if 8th house is > >>>>> harmonius > >>>>>>> that will happen. > >>>>>>> Always take care the planets visiting in 8th house, Dasha of > > 8th > >>>>>>> house lord, Dasha of the planets in 8th house. Because this is > >>>>> one of > >>>>>>> unimaginable house which can take you to the skies and if not > >>>>>>> good can give great dissappointments. > >>>>>>> For a good astrologer 8th house must be very good. We can > >>>>>>> estimate the level of skill from his 8th house. > >>>>>>> At last again if moon is there in 8th with planets opposite to > >>> its > >>>>>>> nature always cause of dissappointments. > >>>>>>> Above all based upon my own research and any comments welcome. > >>>>>>> vivek > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________ > >>>> GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool > >>> features! > >>>> Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! > >>>> > >> > >> ________ > >> FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your > > friends and family! > >> Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! > >> > > ________ > PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN & COMPUTER - Monitor and manage activity on your computer! > Visit http://www.crawlerparental.com/install and find out more! > > > > > > ACA Sumit Bajaj > Consultant > (Astrologer and Technical Analyst) > "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence" > Contact: +91-98300-84593 > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Shri Prashant Sahab, I have re-read your post the second time to relish the delicasies again. Your way of redefining the 6th, 8th and 12th Lord is really interesting. In todays world and times the 8th house has been really re-defined by the smart guys, the way You have mentioned, and so has the 6th and so has the 12th. Easy money available on debts & loans,free legacy , money earnt without lifting a finger, pleasures of the bed, is what majority of the public require, and this constitutes the re-definition of the 6th 8th and 12th house. I have reproduced the piece written by Your goodself below, which is really a beautiful one, for readers to dive in and enjoy the depths. affectionately, Bhaskar. Dear readers hope this piece is a debatable one and can help the debate on Rahu,ket, Sani, Kuja etc as only malefics etc be seen in current light. I had a rare chance to speak extempore in august company of B V RAMAN, Gyathri Devi and other astorologers in Bangalore, i wasn't prepared to speak when they asked me to speak as I came from Madras the center head. i wasn't sure how to proceed as i was the 1st speaker. but after presenting these thoughts spoke to my guru and asked him if this was reasonable to dislodge convetional rules and rehash them. he approved it, when I gave him a gist of what i had said. Dusthama, Papagrahas-uncovered for our times. It is important to read into the various facets of each karakatva, tatva and value system we are analyzing any rule as far as reading and using classical texts quotes or sutras. WE MUST REMEMBER THE RULES WERE LAID DONW DURING A FAIRLY NORMAL, ORDERLY, ETHICAL, RELIGIOUS SPIRTUAL, SIMPLE NEEDS, GOD AND ADMININSTRATING RESPECTING AGE. Which slowly started to get diluted as time went by in every period, civilization, the moment moral, spirtual, ethical values changed the role of the planets we interpret also change. Dushthanas 6th house- Debts- people without a debt was supposed to be the wealthiest man. Health, Disease- arogyame mahaa bhagyam-health is wealth. Rivals- people without foes was a strong and good man. TODAY EVEN MULTI MILLIONAIRES BORROW MONEY AND INVEST, without an OD facility or a credit rating, credit worthiness one is worthless. If you have more diseases you are in elite company of some super star, film world, model or a millionaire. If you have more rivals you are a successful the more you can buy or manipulate. SO- A GOOD 6th house, lord, aspects are required 8th house. Longevity good life expectancy was there became less now improving with medical intervention, not our quality of life. Para Dhanam-Money not self earned Para Desha vasam-Exile or living away from birth place Bandhana- imprisonments TODAY How dos not want a good insurance cover to pay Who refuses a legacy if some relative writes it to you? Who refuses to shun dowry, occupy a property next door if you know someone is not there or will not come for sometime. Or people who don't vacate a rented place and demand money to get out? Who will not love to get a citizenship of another country or live there for good. GREN CARD, CITIZEN OF ANOTHER COUNTRY. POLITICIANS USE THEIR JAIL TERMS TO RAISE EMOTIONS, SYMPATHY. SO- A GOOD 8th house, lord, aspects are required 12th House Expenses-must be limited, and in useful ways. Sleep in peace, in time-early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise. Fines to govt. Hospital expenses. Living away from birth place by choice. NOW IT IS OSTENATION, SHOW OFF LIFE STYLE, CONSUMERISM, MATERIALSIT PLEASURES Make as much miney as uyou can you have just 24 hrs, now or never your friend , cousin or your hated relative, ex-friend has more than you, so slog on-work longer sleep less till you ruin your health, spend on medical bills of course. Taxes, bribes, donations tips,, grease money whatever way you do is money to authorities. To govt and public if paid honestly from honest income of course] SO- A GOOD 12th house, lord, aspects are required *-**-* So unless you redefine them you won't move on DESHA, KAALA PARASTHITI IS THE GOLDEN RULE LAID LONG AGE WE NEED TO ADAPT rules to times. People were shunned to be greedy, avaricious, usurping others money or women. Now women are doing the opposite having other men too. RAHU, is meant to signify all unconventional ways, life, education, pleasure materialistic, pursuits even research. KETU- too similar but more lopsided, scheming, depiction, gift of the gab if in 2dn house, sweat talkers who can sell anything if need be their family, nation, .beauty looks to kill, show up, stoop to conquer etc. one may get confused with never day die spirit not that can be Gruu's only As Guru will test you to the limit on your moral base every time Guru waon't give goodies easily will give u wisdom, discretion, etc which will slow your gains in the material world. SANI –represents the masses, work related benefits. A hard task master, pouplar in mases, public stage events or lime light. SUKRA AND RAHU Dasas if not followed by a well placed Guru and Ravi respectively a person has to start on a clean slate AFRESH after becoming a pauper even if a Billionaire before. SO MATERIALISM IS A DOUBLE EGDED SWORD CUTS BOTH WAYS. TODAY TO SEE SOMEONE BETTER THAN YOU WITH LESSER SKILLS OR EXPERIENCE AND SUFFER UNWRITTEN OR SAID HURT, QUIT A JOB, OR A PROMOTION TO SOMEONE YOU FEEL IS LESS DESERVING THAN YOU ETC IS NATURES WAY OF GIVING YOU SOME PAIN FOR PAST LIVES KARMA. Just like for a brief Moment Yudishtra saw other pandavas was shell shocked to see Duryodhana and other Kauravas in heaven and his brothers in Hell was told this was for the lie he told his guru Dronacharya that Ashwathama was killed when it was an elephant just to break the spirit of Drona and his rival Druopada killed Drona in the MahaBharatha war. So please accept whatever comes your way with ease and grace. You never know if what you got as what was due to you as a result of your past karma not current Karma, merit. So do everyting in this life to raise your positive Karma. BHAGVAD GITA 2 slokas I can quote Do your duty leave the rest like fruits, returns to God/ Give what you give to others as a gift/offering to God Take what you get as a gift or reward from god, good or bad this will make your lfie easy It is like a story when a king asks his people to donate a glass of milk to the famine struck state, everyone felt tother will give mil if I put a glass of water it is ok, no one knows when all of them did same and put JUST WATER IN the pot for the poor. So do ur best, honestly, earnestly with faith and respect to almighty, all will be fine. AUM TAT SAT , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Bhaskar, Sumit, Vivek, > > I had refered u to read my post Message #24955 dt 25/2 on malefics redefined. > > can cover some of ur doubts too. > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: Dear Sumitji, > > Me and Prafullaji were talking of solitary 8th house > or 8th Lord being fortified.,for earning money. > We were not talking of exchanges. If we talk of exchanges then Lord > of 8th house who are having dual ownership too, there will be > hundreds of cases where we can show lots of money being earned by > speculation or so many other matters. > In your example You are bringing 3 planets in play to form that Yoga > which I am not going into to check, as it will take more time. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , Sumit Bajaj > <sumitbajaj2000@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafullji, > > > > What happens if there is mercury in 5th house debilitated beign > 8th house lord in scorpion. Mercury is in exchange with Jupiter in > 11th House and venus exalted in 5th house as well. As per my analysis > it is a tremendous speculation money-givign yoga. > > > > May God Bless All > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > For all bulk gains / unearned gains - role of 8th lord and 5th lord > (and houses) are critical. I have predicted in past quite > sucessfully, with 8th house. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life > be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > > > > > > > > rajiventerprises@ > > > Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:49:24 -0000 > > > > > > Re: 8th house and disappointments > > > > > > That has got no connection. On the contrary if connection is there > > > then it indicates losses. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Can one earn from lottery / speculation, without fortified 8th > > > house and 8th lord ? > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> > > >> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > life > > > be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> rajiventerprises@ > > >>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:09:57 -0000 > > >>> > > >>> Re: 8th house and disappointments > > >>> > > >>> Sorry aapko late jawab diya. Soch kar dena padta hai aapko jara. > > >>> > > >>> I would see lottery, speculation, share market from 5th house, > > >>> investments in Mutual Funds and alike from 12th house, > > >>> and lotteries from 5th house too, > > >>> > > >>> But Business money i would see from 6th House. > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> Bhaskar. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> what about lottery, money from business !!! > > >>>> > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>> > > >>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > > > life > > >>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> rajiventerprises@ > > >>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:02:48 -0000 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Re: 8th house and disappointments > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dear, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Among the good attributes which can be recd. from the 8th > house. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -Long life. > > >>>>> -properties of wife recd. as stree dhan. > > >>>>> -others money recd. to study. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> But whatever money/wealth is recd, will come only after some > > >>>>> unhappiness Ghatna (Incident)for ex. Get inheritance of > fathers > > >>>>> wealth after his death, Get Funds, Gratuity, after retired > from > > >>>>> service or expelled from service, Insurance money after some > > > limb > > >>>>> lost by accident, > > >>>>> and also dowry money (Dowry does not always come in with > > > respect). > > >>>>> > > >>>>> regards, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > > <jyotish@> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Dear Vivek ji > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Many thanks for posting your research capsule. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> When does 8th lord / planets in 8th can give good results, > not > > >>> the > > >>>>> disappointments? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I know few, posting here for reference: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> 8th house is the only house - along with 5th - which can > bless > > >>> huge > > >>>>> wealth. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> 2nd lord in 8th is preferred than being in 2nd. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> 7th lord in 8th ensures contunity of married life. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > > >>> life > > >>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> viveck2001@ > > >>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:16:41 -0000 > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 8th house and disappointments > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Dear members, > > >>>>>>> There are two terms disappointment and the > > > second > > >>> is > > >>>>>>> depression. Here I am going to discuss about > disappointments. > > > In > > >>>>>>> our chart 8th house is very important. So many astrologers > > > takes > > >>>>>>> its importance or call it house of accident,death etc which > I > > >>> will > > >>>>>>> discuss later now i am going to concentrate only on the > above > > >>>>> word. > > >>>>>>> first see this house in your chart ok. Is this empety(no > > >>> planets) > > >>>>>>> in this house. This is very good for you. Because the planet > > >>> like > > >>>>>>> saturn karka also plays a very negative role(makes a person) > > >>>>> allmost > > >>>>>>> alone(good for age matters). Now second if some planet like > > >>> mars, > > >>>>>>> ketu and sun occupying this house gives bad effects becomes > > >>> cause > > >>>>>>> of several disappointments(nature is somewhat very rash) but > > > if > > >>>>> they > > >>>>>>> owns this house disappointent > > >>>>>>> level also increase with the same strenth. Here some > > > astrologers > > >>>>>>> can say a planet not destroy his own house. No sir a planet > if > > >>>>> that > > >>>>>>> is in his house if in transit it becomes vakri or debiliated > > >>>>> always > > >>>>>>> gives very > > >>>>>>> bad results.Because planet behaves just like ruling planet > if > > > it > > >>>>> is > > >>>>>>> in its own house. Now see where eighth house lord is > situated > > >>> and > > >>>>>>> with whom. Disappointment level again increases if it is in > > > 5th > > >>>>>>> house or 1st house and if it is with moon. Yes if moon is in > > >>>>>>> conjuction with 8th lord, then moon dasha allmost go in > > >>>>>>> dissappointments. if moon is the 8th owner(dhanu lagan). > then > > > it > > >>>>>>> is very neceassary to see some cruel planet must not > > > disturbing > > >>>>>>> moon. Other wise the planet in conj. with moon play a > negative > > >>>>>>> role in its dasha. If both the conditions satisfy I mean 8th > > >>> lord > > >>>>>>> with bad planets or itself not good and moon also badly > placed > > >>>>>>> with fifth house also damaged then that becomes a bad chart > > > and > > >>>>>>> only remedies with changing dasha antar dasha can keep some > > >>>>> harmony. > > >>>>>>> example: > > >>>>>>> (1) You never expected this thing can happen but it > > >>> happened > > >>>>>>> see somewhere your 8th house that is playing a very big > role. > > >>>>>>> (2) Something which looks impossible if 8th house is > > >>>>> harmonius > > >>>>>>> that will happen. > > >>>>>>> Always take care the planets visiting in 8th house, Dasha of > > > 8th > > >>>>>>> house lord, Dasha of the planets in 8th house. Because this > is > > >>>>> one of > > >>>>>>> unimaginable house which can take you to the skies and if > not > > >>>>>>> good can give great dissappointments. > > >>>>>>> For a good astrologer 8th house must be very good. We can > > >>>>>>> estimate the level of skill from his 8th house. > > >>>>>>> At last again if moon is there in 8th with planets opposite > to > > >>> its > > >>>>>>> nature always cause of dissappointments. > > >>>>>>> Above all based upon my own research and any comments > welcome. > > >>>>>>> vivek > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ________ > > >>>> GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool > > >>> features! > > >>>> Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! > > >>>> > > >> > > >> ________ > > >> FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your > > > friends and family! > > >> Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! > > >> > > > > ________ > > PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN & COMPUTER - Monitor and manage activity on > your computer! > > Visit http://www.crawlerparental.com/install and find out more! > > > > > > > > > > > > ACA Sumit Bajaj > > Consultant > > (Astrologer and Technical Analyst) > > "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence" > > Contact: +91-98300-84593 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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