Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Dear all, Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment to ones work, respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from small or big from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is acceptable and good too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies in matters where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best given below. ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. A panel appointed by the International Astronomical Union has come up with a compromise to the years-long struggle over whether we should continue to count Pluto as a Planet. It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from the planetary Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it was first thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and is tilted in a different plane than those of the other planets. Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the word planet : any celestial body that orbits around a star and is large enough for its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto would hence be shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would include any object that meets the definition of a planet and has an orbit beyond Neptunes. - The New York Times. You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article on the above on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments are more strong on this issue. Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto and Herschel after the foreigners started doing this, again all these may have to be removed from Indias top Astrological institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time to come also Herschel and Neptune. If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would have been more respectable. But its great to know that after thousands of years also whatever is mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time discovered by the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions by these people, just discoveries., because already it was discovered by our ancients. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used all three outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing unnatural deaths / fatal accidents / assasinations etc. What is wrong is considering, if it adds another parameter to jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no reference in vedas ? regards / Prafulla Gang If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > > gbp_kumar > Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > Ganesh > good post, > Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have discribed Uranus, Neptune > to the precise point can be wored back words for thos who want to, thei > color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on human affairs. > > this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe said at least over > 5000 yrs ago. > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear all, > > Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment to ones work, > respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from small or big > from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is acceptable and good > too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies in matters > where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best given below. > > ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. > > A panel appointed by the International Astronomical Union has come up > with a compromise to the years-long struggle over whether we should > continue to count Pluto as a Planet. > > It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from the planetary > Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it was first > thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and is tilted in a > different plane than those of the other planets. > > Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the word planet : > any celestial body that orbits around a star and is large enough for > its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto would hence be > shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would include any > object that meets the definition of a planet and has an orbit beyond > Neptunes. > - The New York Times. > > You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article on the above > on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments are more > strong on this issue. > > Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto and Herschel > after the foreigners started doing this, > again all these may have to be removed from Indias top Astrological > institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time to come also > Herschel and Neptune. > > If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would have been > more > respectable. > > But its great to know that after thousands of years also whatever is > mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time discovered by > the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions by these > people, just discoveries., because already it was discovered by our > ancients. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group > but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar > 09840051861 > > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Dear Sir, It's also possible that our ancient seers have been fully aware of these minor (by influnce) planets.But what they might have done is they might have combined these (minor planets) effects to the nearest substantial influenceable (on living beings)planet.So too the houses and lordship(in some cases dual ownership) might have been done.The minor influence of these planest/satellites/etc might be because of their long period of revolution or due to much of their effects are being manifested through another substantial planet of influence.The origin of vimshottari is a well balanced system in practicality for the same reasons.That if for the very same reasons we shouldn't construe that venus the planet of modern astronomy is necessarily equivalent to sukra of vedic astrology -sukra may be a combinationof planets/it's satellites/asteroids/it'senvironment etc. regards srinivas Bhaskar <rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com> wrote: Dear all, Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment to ones work, respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from small or big from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is acceptable and good too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies in matters where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best given below. ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. A panel appointed by the International Astronomical Union has come up with a compromise to the years-long struggle over whether we should continue to count Pluto as a Planet. It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from the planetary Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it was first thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and is tilted in a different plane than those of the other planets. Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the word planet : any celestial body that orbits around a star and is large enough for its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto would hence be shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would include any object that meets the definition of a planet and has an orbit beyond Neptunes. - The New York Times. You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article on the above on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments are more strong on this issue. Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto and Herschel after the foreigners started doing this, again all these may have to be removed from Indias top Astrological institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time to come also Herschel and Neptune. If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would have been more respectable. But its great to know that after thousands of years also whatever is mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time discovered by the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions by these people, just discoveries., because already it was discovered by our ancients. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 I did not queston the validity of KP - or its sub lord theory. I just asked if any classic reference of this !! So, when we can adopt this, why not other outer planets. regards / Prafulla Gang If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly understood is > seperate ,which is in fact not. > How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? > By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? > Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" > The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. > So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is it not ? > How would You check the antar Dasha. > Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. > Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , > and Guru antar at childs birth. > So the Sub lord is nothing but......... > > How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . > This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but > perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. > Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? > We should be respectful towards these great people Shri BV Raman, > and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this heritage . > > KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same milk..... > just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out with a > diffrent flavour from the same milk...... > > > KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay Rath have > neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are masters, we are > following what they have understood from the Vedas itself and not out > of air . > > There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass destructions etc. > but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune and Herschel in > the Dasha system and how many years would You allot it ? > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > - In , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used all three > outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing unnatural deaths / > fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >> >> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another parameter to > jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no reference in > vedas ? >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life > be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >> >> >>> >>> gbp_kumar >>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> Ganesh >>> good post, >>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have discribed Uranus, > Neptune >>> to the precise point can be wored back words for thos who want > to, thei >>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on human > affairs. >>> >>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe said at > least over >>> 5000 yrs ago. >>> >>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment to > ones work, >>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from small or big >>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is acceptable and > good >>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies in > matters >>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best given > below. >>> >>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>> >>> A panel appointed by the International Astronomical Union has > come up >>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over whether we > should >>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>> >>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from the > planetary >>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it was first >>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and is > tilted in a >>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>> >>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the word > planet : >>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and is large > enough for >>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto would > hence be >>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would include > any >>> object that meets the definition of a planet and has an orbit > beyond >>> Neptunes. >>> - The New York Times. >>> >>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article on the > above >>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments are > more >>> strong on this issue. >>> >>> Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto and > Herschel >>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias top > Astrological >>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time to > come also >>> Herschel and Neptune. >>> >>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would have > been >>> more >>> respectable. >>> >>> But its great to know that after thousands of years also > whatever is >>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time > discovered by >>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions by > these >>> people, just discoveries., because already it was discovered by > our >>> ancients. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prashantkumar G B >>> >>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > group >>> but >>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > phone. >>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also >>> >>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar >>> 09840051861 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 In dasha system - except Vimshottari - not necessarily all planets are considered !!! Application of Vimshottari dasha is also a big question mark - and Parashar referred so many conditional dashas !! Why can not we use them like western astrologers are doing (including aspects / progression etc). regards / Prafulla Gang If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly understood is > seperate ,which is in fact not. > How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? > By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? > Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" > The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. > So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is it not ? > How would You check the antar Dasha. > Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. > Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , > and Guru antar at childs birth. > So the Sub lord is nothing but......... > > How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . > This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but > perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. > Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? > We should be respectful towards these great people Shri BV Raman, > and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this heritage . > > KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same milk..... > just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out with a > diffrent flavour from the same milk...... > > > KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay Rath have > neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are masters, we are > following what they have understood from the Vedas itself and not out > of air . > > There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass destructions etc. > but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune and Herschel in > the Dasha system and how many years would You allot it ? > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > - In , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used all three > outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing unnatural deaths / > fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >> >> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another parameter to > jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no reference in > vedas ? >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life > be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >> >> >>> >>> gbp_kumar >>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> Ganesh >>> good post, >>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have discribed Uranus, > Neptune >>> to the precise point can be wored back words for thos who want > to, thei >>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on human > affairs. >>> >>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe said at > least over >>> 5000 yrs ago. >>> >>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment to > ones work, >>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from small or big >>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is acceptable and > good >>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies in > matters >>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best given > below. >>> >>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>> >>> A panel appointed by the International Astronomical Union has > come up >>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over whether we > should >>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>> >>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from the > planetary >>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it was first >>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and is > tilted in a >>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>> >>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the word > planet : >>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and is large > enough for >>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto would > hence be >>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would include > any >>> object that meets the definition of a planet and has an orbit > beyond >>> Neptunes. >>> - The New York Times. >>> >>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article on the > above >>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments are > more >>> strong on this issue. >>> >>> Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto and > Herschel >>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias top > Astrological >>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time to > come also >>> Herschel and Neptune. >>> >>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would have > been >>> more >>> respectable. >>> >>> But its great to know that after thousands of years also > whatever is >>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time > discovered by >>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions by > these >>> people, just discoveries., because already it was discovered by > our >>> ancients. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prashantkumar G B >>> >>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > group >>> but >>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > phone. >>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also >>> >>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar >>> 09840051861 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 sir correct prediction can be given, even without knowing astrology - one needs very strong 8th house. Successful astrologer will require good 8th house / lords; 5th house can give good analytical skils - not necessarily good predictor. regards / Prafulla Gang If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:54 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > For various Dashas rules have been given, which one to use as per the > strong planet in Horoscope. Vimsottary has been widely accepted to > fit in all cases mostly,the lack of knowledge of other dashas and > their utility for individual horoscopes may be one of the factores > for all of them not being used. We have to be thankful to these > great people for having given us so many options to choose. Asregards > to question marks, we can question any thing on earth and above, the > Tajmahal also can be commented by critics for certain flaws as per > ones views and so can the Moon above too. > As long as the purpose is being solved and people are being helped to > lead better lives , I dont look for question marks. > Who has the time to stand and care or stare ? > Lets do something constructive like the little squirrel helping > Lord Rama built a bridge on his great Mission. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> In dasha system - except Vimshottari - not necessarily all planets > are considered !!! Application of Vimshottari dasha is also a big > question mark - and Parashar referred so many conditional dashas !! >> >> Why can not we use them like western astrologers are doing > (including aspects / progression etc). >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life > be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >> >> >>> >>> rajiventerprises >>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly understood is >>> seperate ,which is in fact not. >>> How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? >>> By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? >>> Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" >>> The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. >>> So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is it not ? >>> How would You check the antar Dasha. >>> Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. >>> Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , >>> and Guru antar at childs birth. >>> So the Sub lord is nothing but......... >>> >>> How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . >>> This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but >>> perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. >>> Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? >>> We should be respectful towards these great people Shri BV Raman, >>> and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this heritage . >>> >>> KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same milk..... >>> just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out with a >>> diffrent flavour from the same milk...... >>> >>> >>> KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay Rath have >>> neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are masters, we are >>> following what they have understood from the Vedas itself and not > out >>> of air . >>> >>> There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass destructions > etc. >>> but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune and Herschel > in >>> the Dasha system and how many years would You allot it ? >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> - In , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used all three >>> outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing unnatural deaths / >>> fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >>>> >>>> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another parameter to >>> jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no reference > in >>> vedas ? >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > life >>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> >>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>> >>>>> Ganesh >>>>> good post, >>>>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have discribed Uranus, >>> Neptune >>>>> to the precise point can be wored back words for thos who want >>> to, thei >>>>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on human >>> affairs. >>>>> >>>>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe said at >>> least over >>>>> 5000 yrs ago. >>>>> >>>>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment to >>> ones work, >>>>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from small or > big >>>>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is acceptable > and >>> good >>>>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies in >>> matters >>>>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best given >>> below. >>>>> >>>>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>>>> >>>>> A panel appointed by the International Astronomical Union has >>> come up >>>>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over whether we >>> should >>>>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>>>> >>>>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from the >>> planetary >>>>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it was > first >>>>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and is >>> tilted in a >>>>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>>>> >>>>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the word >>> planet : >>>>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and is large >>> enough for >>>>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto would >>> hence be >>>>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would > include >>> any >>>>> object that meets the definition of a planet and has an orbit >>> beyond >>>>> Neptunes. >>>>> - The New York Times. >>>>> >>>>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article on the >>> above >>>>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments are >>> more >>>>> strong on this issue. >>>>> >>>>> Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto and >>> Herschel >>>>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>>>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias top >>> Astrological >>>>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time to >>> come also >>>>> Herschel and Neptune. >>>>> >>>>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would have >>> been >>>>> more >>>>> respectable. >>>>> >>>>> But its great to know that after thousands of years also >>> whatever is >>>>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time >>> discovered by >>>>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions by >>> these >>>>> people, just discoveries., because already it was discovered > by >>> our >>>>> ancients. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Prashantkumar G B >>>>> >>>>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>> group >>>>> but >>>>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or >>> phone. >>>>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also >>>>> >>>>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>>>> 09840051861 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 I do not have much knowledge or predictive abilities - but while having lots of discussions with many good astrologers (local ones) - I am always told that - predictive success comes from 8th house. Yes, i agree analytical skills comes from 5th; Jupiter has bigger role too - but it is venus, who too is great in terms of more secretive skills (even compared to guru). 2nd house is speech too...guru in 8th blesses native for positive predictions; and saturn in 8th for negative predictions. Analytical skills are good enough, only until learning astrology..for prediction - it is delivery of reading !!! regards / Prafulla Gang If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:21 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > My Dear Boss, > > Apne ko kisko astrologer banana hai ? Bana do- usko-agar > sach bolta hai jab mooh kholta hai. Kya karna hai 8th house > or 5th or analytical skills ko ? Is Forum mein toh aise > bhi kitne members hain jo predict karte hain? ek aur sahi. > Senior logon ka kaam bach jayega toh hum unko paas jaake > seekhenge unke spare time mein unke charnon mein baithkar. > > By the way if You know Shri Sanjay Rathiji personally then please > ask him is comments on 5th house and Jupiters aspect on same for > prediction purpose. > > I do not know really know how come 8th Lord will figure in giving > good predictions. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> sir >> >> correct prediction can be given, even without knowing astrology - > one needs very strong 8th house. >> >> Successful astrologer will require good 8th house / lords; 5th > house can give good analytical skils - not necessarily good predictor. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life > be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >> >> >>> >>> rajiventerprises >>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:54 -0000 >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> For various Dashas rules have been given, which one to use as per > the >>> strong planet in Horoscope. Vimsottary has been widely accepted to >>> fit in all cases mostly,the lack of knowledge of other dashas and >>> their utility for individual horoscopes may be one of the factores >>> for all of them not being used. We have to be thankful to these >>> great people for having given us so many options to choose. > Asregards >>> to question marks, we can question any thing on earth and above, > the >>> Tajmahal also can be commented by critics for certain flaws as per >>> ones views and so can the Moon above too. >>> As long as the purpose is being solved and people are being > helped to >>> lead better lives , I dont look for question marks. >>> Who has the time to stand and care or stare ? >>> Lets do something constructive like the little squirrel helping >>> Lord Rama built a bridge on his great Mission. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> In dasha system - except Vimshottari - not necessarily all > planets >>> are considered !!! Application of Vimshottari dasha is also a big >>> question mark - and Parashar referred so many conditional > dashas !! >>>> >>>> Why can not we use them like western astrologers are doing >>> (including aspects / progression etc). >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > life >>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>> >>>>> KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly understood is >>>>> seperate ,which is in fact not. >>>>> How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? >>>>> By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? >>>>> Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" >>>>> The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. >>>>> So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is it not ? >>>>> How would You check the antar Dasha. >>>>> Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. >>>>> Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , >>>>> and Guru antar at childs birth. >>>>> So the Sub lord is nothing but......... >>>>> >>>>> How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . >>>>> This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but >>>>> perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. >>>>> Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? >>>>> We should be respectful towards these great people Shri BV > Raman, >>>>> and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this heritage . >>>>> >>>>> KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same milk..... >>>>> just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out with a >>>>> diffrent flavour from the same milk...... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay Rath have >>>>> neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are masters, we are >>>>> following what they have understood from the Vedas itself and > not >>> out >>>>> of air . >>>>> >>>>> There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass destructions >>> etc. >>>>> but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune and Herschel >>> in >>>>> the Dasha system and how many years would You allot it ? >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - In , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used all three >>>>> outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing unnatural > deaths / >>>>> fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another parameter to >>>>> jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no reference >>> in >>>>> vedas ? >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>> life >>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ganesh >>>>>>> good post, >>>>>>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have discribed > Uranus, >>>>> Neptune >>>>>>> to the precise point can be wored back words for thos who want >>>>> to, thei >>>>>>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on human >>>>> affairs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe said at >>>>> least over >>>>>>> 5000 yrs ago. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment to >>>>> ones work, >>>>>>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from small or >>> big >>>>>>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is acceptable >>> and >>>>> good >>>>>>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies in >>>>> matters >>>>>>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best > given >>>>> below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A panel appointed by the International Astronomical Union > has >>>>> come up >>>>>>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over whether we >>>>> should >>>>>>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from the >>>>> planetary >>>>>>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it was >>> first >>>>>>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and is >>>>> tilted in a >>>>>>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the word >>>>> planet : >>>>>>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and is large >>>>> enough for >>>>>>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto would >>>>> hence be >>>>>>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would >>> include >>>>> any >>>>>>> object that meets the definition of a planet and has an > orbit >>>>> beyond >>>>>>> Neptunes. >>>>>>> - The New York Times. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article on > the >>>>> above >>>>>>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments are >>>>> more >>>>>>> strong on this issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto and >>>>> Herschel >>>>>>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>>>>>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias top >>>>> Astrological >>>>>>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time to >>>>> come also >>>>>>> Herschel and Neptune. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would > have >>>>> been >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> respectable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But its great to know that after thousands of years also >>>>> whatever is >>>>>>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time >>>>> discovered by >>>>>>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions by >>>>> these >>>>>>> people, just discoveries., because already it was discovered >>> by >>>>> our >>>>>>> ancients. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Prashantkumar G B >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>>>> group >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or >>>>> phone. >>>>>>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID > also >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>>>>>> 09840051861 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail > Beta. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 I do not have much knowledge or predictive abilities - but while having lots of discussions with many good astrologers (local ones) - I am always told that - predictive success comes from 8th house. Yes, i agree analytical skills comes from 5th; Jupiter has bigger role too - but it is venus, who too is great in terms of more secretive skills (even compared to guru). 2nd house is speech too...guru in 8th blesses native for positive predictions; and saturn in 8th for negative predictions. Analytical skills are good enough, only until learning astrology and analysing chart..but at some stage, there are so many multiplicity of factors that astrologer needs to arrive at judgement - it is delivery of conclusive reading - "prediction" !!! regards / Prafulla Gang If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:21 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > My Dear Boss, > > Apne ko kisko astrologer banana hai ? Bana do- usko-agar > sach bolta hai jab mooh kholta hai. Kya karna hai 8th house > or 5th or analytical skills ko ? Is Forum mein toh aise > bhi kitne members hain jo predict karte hain? ek aur sahi. > Senior logon ka kaam bach jayega toh hum unko paas jaake > seekhenge unke spare time mein unke charnon mein baithkar. > > By the way if You know Shri Sanjay Rathiji personally then please > ask him is comments on 5th house and Jupiters aspect on same for > prediction purpose. > > I do not know really know how come 8th Lord will figure in giving > good predictions. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> sir >> >> correct prediction can be given, even without knowing astrology - > one needs very strong 8th house. >> >> Successful astrologer will require good 8th house / lords; 5th > house can give good analytical skils - not necessarily good predictor. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life > be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >> >> >>> >>> rajiventerprises >>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:54 -0000 >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> For various Dashas rules have been given, which one to use as per > the >>> strong planet in Horoscope. Vimsottary has been widely accepted to >>> fit in all cases mostly,the lack of knowledge of other dashas and >>> their utility for individual horoscopes may be one of the factores >>> for all of them not being used. We have to be thankful to these >>> great people for having given us so many options to choose. > Asregards >>> to question marks, we can question any thing on earth and above, > the >>> Tajmahal also can be commented by critics for certain flaws as per >>> ones views and so can the Moon above too. >>> As long as the purpose is being solved and people are being > helped to >>> lead better lives , I dont look for question marks. >>> Who has the time to stand and care or stare ? >>> Lets do something constructive like the little squirrel helping >>> Lord Rama built a bridge on his great Mission. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> In dasha system - except Vimshottari - not necessarily all > planets >>> are considered !!! Application of Vimshottari dasha is also a big >>> question mark - and Parashar referred so many conditional > dashas !! >>>> >>>> Why can not we use them like western astrologers are doing >>> (including aspects / progression etc). >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > life >>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>> >>>>> KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly understood is >>>>> seperate ,which is in fact not. >>>>> How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? >>>>> By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? >>>>> Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" >>>>> The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. >>>>> So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is it not ? >>>>> How would You check the antar Dasha. >>>>> Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. >>>>> Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , >>>>> and Guru antar at childs birth. >>>>> So the Sub lord is nothing but......... >>>>> >>>>> How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . >>>>> This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but >>>>> perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. >>>>> Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? >>>>> We should be respectful towards these great people Shri BV > Raman, >>>>> and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this heritage . >>>>> >>>>> KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same milk..... >>>>> just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out with a >>>>> diffrent flavour from the same milk...... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay Rath have >>>>> neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are masters, we are >>>>> following what they have understood from the Vedas itself and > not >>> out >>>>> of air . >>>>> >>>>> There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass destructions >>> etc. >>>>> but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune and Herschel >>> in >>>>> the Dasha system and how many years would You allot it ? >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - In , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used all three >>>>> outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing unnatural > deaths / >>>>> fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another parameter to >>>>> jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no reference >>> in >>>>> vedas ? >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>> life >>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ganesh >>>>>>> good post, >>>>>>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have discribed > Uranus, >>>>> Neptune >>>>>>> to the precise point can be wored back words for thos who want >>>>> to, thei >>>>>>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on human >>>>> affairs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe said at >>>>> least over >>>>>>> 5000 yrs ago. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment to >>>>> ones work, >>>>>>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from small or >>> big >>>>>>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is acceptable >>> and >>>>> good >>>>>>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies in >>>>> matters >>>>>>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best > given >>>>> below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A panel appointed by the International Astronomical Union > has >>>>> come up >>>>>>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over whether we >>>>> should >>>>>>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from the >>>>> planetary >>>>>>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it was >>> first >>>>>>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and is >>>>> tilted in a >>>>>>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the word >>>>> planet : >>>>>>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and is large >>>>> enough for >>>>>>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto would >>>>> hence be >>>>>>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would >>> include >>>>> any >>>>>>> object that meets the definition of a planet and has an > orbit >>>>> beyond >>>>>>> Neptunes. >>>>>>> - The New York Times. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article on > the >>>>> above >>>>>>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments are >>>>> more >>>>>>> strong on this issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto and >>>>> Herschel >>>>>>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>>>>>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias top >>>>> Astrological >>>>>>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time to >>>>> come also >>>>>>> Herschel and Neptune. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would > have >>>>> been >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> respectable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But its great to know that after thousands of years also >>>>> whatever is >>>>>>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time >>>>> discovered by >>>>>>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions by >>>>> these >>>>>>> people, just discoveries., because already it was discovered >>> by >>>>> our >>>>>>> ancients. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Prashantkumar G B >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>>>> group >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or >>>>> phone. >>>>>>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID > also >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>>>>>> 09840051861 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail > Beta. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 I do not have much knowledge or predictive abilities - but while having lots of discussions with many good astrologers (local ones) - I am always told that - predictive success comes from 8th house. Yes, i agree analytical skills comes from 5th; Jupiter has bigger role too - but it is venus, who too is great in terms of more secretive skills (even compared to guru). 2nd house is speech too...guru in 8th blesses native for positive predictions; and saturn in 8th for negative predictions. Analytical skills are good enough, only until learning astrology and analysing chart..but at some stage, there are so many multiplicity of factors that astrologer needs to arrive at judgement - it is delivery of conclusive reading - "prediction" !!! regards / Prafulla Gang If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:21 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > My Dear Boss, > > Apne ko kisko astrologer banana hai ? Bana do- usko-agar > sach bolta hai jab mooh kholta hai. Kya karna hai 8th house > or 5th or analytical skills ko ? Is Forum mein toh aise > bhi kitne members hain jo predict karte hain? ek aur sahi. > Senior logon ka kaam bach jayega toh hum unko paas jaake > seekhenge unke spare time mein unke charnon mein baithkar. > > By the way if You know Shri Sanjay Rathiji personally then please > ask him is comments on 5th house and Jupiters aspect on same for > prediction purpose. > > I do not know really know how come 8th Lord will figure in giving > good predictions. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> sir >> >> correct prediction can be given, even without knowing astrology - > one needs very strong 8th house. >> >> Successful astrologer will require good 8th house / lords; 5th > house can give good analytical skils - not necessarily good predictor. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life > be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >> >> >>> >>> rajiventerprises >>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:54 -0000 >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> For various Dashas rules have been given, which one to use as per > the >>> strong planet in Horoscope. Vimsottary has been widely accepted to >>> fit in all cases mostly,the lack of knowledge of other dashas and >>> their utility for individual horoscopes may be one of the factores >>> for all of them not being used. We have to be thankful to these >>> great people for having given us so many options to choose. > Asregards >>> to question marks, we can question any thing on earth and above, > the >>> Tajmahal also can be commented by critics for certain flaws as per >>> ones views and so can the Moon above too. >>> As long as the purpose is being solved and people are being > helped to >>> lead better lives , I dont look for question marks. >>> Who has the time to stand and care or stare ? >>> Lets do something constructive like the little squirrel helping >>> Lord Rama built a bridge on his great Mission. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> In dasha system - except Vimshottari - not necessarily all > planets >>> are considered !!! Application of Vimshottari dasha is also a big >>> question mark - and Parashar referred so many conditional > dashas !! >>>> >>>> Why can not we use them like western astrologers are doing >>> (including aspects / progression etc). >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > life >>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>> >>>>> KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly understood is >>>>> seperate ,which is in fact not. >>>>> How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? >>>>> By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? >>>>> Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" >>>>> The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. >>>>> So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is it not ? >>>>> How would You check the antar Dasha. >>>>> Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. >>>>> Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , >>>>> and Guru antar at childs birth. >>>>> So the Sub lord is nothing but......... >>>>> >>>>> How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . >>>>> This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but >>>>> perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. >>>>> Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? >>>>> We should be respectful towards these great people Shri BV > Raman, >>>>> and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this heritage . >>>>> >>>>> KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same milk..... >>>>> just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out with a >>>>> diffrent flavour from the same milk...... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay Rath have >>>>> neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are masters, we are >>>>> following what they have understood from the Vedas itself and > not >>> out >>>>> of air . >>>>> >>>>> There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass destructions >>> etc. >>>>> but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune and Herschel >>> in >>>>> the Dasha system and how many years would You allot it ? >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - In , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used all three >>>>> outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing unnatural > deaths / >>>>> fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another parameter to >>>>> jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no reference >>> in >>>>> vedas ? >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>> life >>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ganesh >>>>>>> good post, >>>>>>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have discribed > Uranus, >>>>> Neptune >>>>>>> to the precise point can be wored back words for thos who want >>>>> to, thei >>>>>>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on human >>>>> affairs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe said at >>>>> least over >>>>>>> 5000 yrs ago. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment to >>>>> ones work, >>>>>>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from small or >>> big >>>>>>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is acceptable >>> and >>>>> good >>>>>>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies in >>>>> matters >>>>>>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best > given >>>>> below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A panel appointed by the International Astronomical Union > has >>>>> come up >>>>>>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over whether we >>>>> should >>>>>>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from the >>>>> planetary >>>>>>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it was >>> first >>>>>>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and is >>>>> tilted in a >>>>>>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the word >>>>> planet : >>>>>>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and is large >>>>> enough for >>>>>>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto would >>>>> hence be >>>>>>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would >>> include >>>>> any >>>>>>> object that meets the definition of a planet and has an > orbit >>>>> beyond >>>>>>> Neptunes. >>>>>>> - The New York Times. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article on > the >>>>> above >>>>>>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments are >>>>> more >>>>>>> strong on this issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto and >>>>> Herschel >>>>>>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>>>>>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias top >>>>> Astrological >>>>>>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time to >>>>> come also >>>>>>> Herschel and Neptune. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would > have >>>>> been >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> respectable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But its great to know that after thousands of years also >>>>> whatever is >>>>>>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time >>>>> discovered by >>>>>>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions by >>>>> these >>>>>>> people, just discoveries., because already it was discovered >>> by >>>>> our >>>>>>> ancients. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Prashantkumar G B >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>>>> group >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or >>>>> phone. >>>>>>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID > also >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>>>>>> 09840051861 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail > Beta. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 sir..as you advise..how should I write, if I can not predict !! regards / Prafulla Gang If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then the tables will never seem to turn. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:58:09 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > Shri Prafulla Bhai, > > ek taraf kehte ho ke mujhe knowledge nahin hai jyada, na toh > predictive abilities hai, toh Bhai Sahaab phir kyon itna bahaas karte > ho har cheez mein ? > Knowledge use karna nahin chahte constructive purpose mein ., sirf > jiske paas hai thoda bahut uska bhi bheja kharab kardoge, > apni bahaas se. > > You can predict, I know that but Your knowledge is wasted in wasting > everyones time. Lets see the productive side of Your knowledge, which > would be welcome any day. > > aapko jawab dete dete dimaag khali ho jaata hai my Sir. aapke > mails ki ham daad dete hain. Dhoond dhoondh kar points nikalte ho > aur phir use Narad Muni ki tarah chod dete ho, taaki sab mein bahas > chid jaye. > > Khair maja aata hai aapke mails mein. Sach baat hai, aapke wajah seh > aur aap jaise logon seh yeh Forum mein thodi jaan lagti hai, > thodi jinda dili aur kuch baat bhi ho jaati hai. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> I do not have much knowledge or predictive abilities - but while > having lots of discussions with many good astrologers (local ones) - > I am always told that - predictive success comes from 8th house. >> >> Yes, i agree analytical skills comes from 5th; Jupiter has bigger > role too - but it is venus, who too is great in terms of more > secretive skills (even compared to guru). 2nd house is speech > too...guru in 8th blesses native for positive predictions; and saturn > in 8th for negative predictions. >> >> Analytical skills are good enough, only until learning > astrology..for prediction - it is delivery of reading !!! >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life > be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >> >> >>> >>> rajiventerprises >>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:21 -0000 >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> My Dear Boss, >>> >>> Apne ko kisko astrologer banana hai ? Bana do- usko-agar >>> sach bolta hai jab mooh kholta hai. Kya karna hai 8th house >>> or 5th or analytical skills ko ? Is Forum mein toh aise >>> bhi kitne members hain jo predict karte hain? ek aur sahi. >>> Senior logon ka kaam bach jayega toh hum unko paas jaake >>> seekhenge unke spare time mein unke charnon mein baithkar. >>> >>> By the way if You know Shri Sanjay Rathiji personally then please >>> ask him is comments on 5th house and Jupiters aspect on same for >>> prediction purpose. >>> >>> I do not know really know how come 8th Lord will figure in giving >>> good predictions. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> sir >>>> >>>> correct prediction can be given, even without knowing astrology - >>> one needs very strong 8th house. >>>> >>>> Successful astrologer will require good 8th house / lords; 5th >>> house can give good analytical skils - not necessarily good > predictor. >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > life >>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:54 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>> >>>>> For various Dashas rules have been given, which one to use as > per >>> the >>>>> strong planet in Horoscope. Vimsottary has been widely accepted > to >>>>> fit in all cases mostly,the lack of knowledge of other dashas > and >>>>> their utility for individual horoscopes may be one of the > factores >>>>> for all of them not being used. We have to be thankful to these >>>>> great people for having given us so many options to choose. >>> Asregards >>>>> to question marks, we can question any thing on earth and above, >>> the >>>>> Tajmahal also can be commented by critics for certain flaws as > per >>>>> ones views and so can the Moon above too. >>>>> As long as the purpose is being solved and people are being >>> helped to >>>>> lead better lives , I dont look for question marks. >>>>> Who has the time to stand and care or stare ? >>>>> Lets do something constructive like the little squirrel helping >>>>> Lord Rama built a bridge on his great Mission. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> In dasha system - except Vimshottari - not necessarily all >>> planets >>>>> are considered !!! Application of Vimshottari dasha is also a > big >>>>> question mark - and Parashar referred so many conditional >>> dashas !! >>>>>> >>>>>> Why can not we use them like western astrologers are doing >>>>> (including aspects / progression etc). >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>> life >>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly understood > is >>>>>>> seperate ,which is in fact not. >>>>>>> How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? >>>>>>> By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? >>>>>>> Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" >>>>>>> The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. >>>>>>> So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is it not ? >>>>>>> How would You check the antar Dasha. >>>>>>> Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. >>>>>>> Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , >>>>>>> and Guru antar at childs birth. >>>>>>> So the Sub lord is nothing but......... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . >>>>>>> This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but >>>>>>> perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. >>>>>>> Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? >>>>>>> We should be respectful towards these great people Shri BV >>> Raman, >>>>>>> and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this heritage . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same milk..... >>>>>>> just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out with a >>>>>>> diffrent flavour from the same milk...... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay Rath > have >>>>>>> neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are masters, we are >>>>>>> following what they have understood from the Vedas itself and >>> not >>>>> out >>>>>>> of air . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass > destructions >>>>> etc. >>>>>>> but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune and > Herschel >>>>> in >>>>>>> the Dasha system and how many years would You allot it ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - In , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used all > three >>>>>>> outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing unnatural >>> deaths / >>>>>>> fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another parameter to >>>>>>> jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no > reference >>>>> in >>>>>>> vedas ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>>>> life >>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ganesh >>>>>>>>> good post, >>>>>>>>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have discribed >>> Uranus, >>>>>>> Neptune >>>>>>>>> to the precise point can be wored back words for thos who > want >>>>>>> to, thei >>>>>>>>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on human >>>>>>> affairs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe said > at >>>>>>> least over >>>>>>>>> 5000 yrs ago. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment > to >>>>>>> ones work, >>>>>>>>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from small > or >>>>> big >>>>>>>>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is > acceptable >>>>> and >>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies in >>>>>>> matters >>>>>>>>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best >>> given >>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A panel appointed by the International Astronomical Union >>> has >>>>>>> come up >>>>>>>>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over whether > we >>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from the >>>>>>> planetary >>>>>>>>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it was >>>>> first >>>>>>>>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and is >>>>>>> tilted in a >>>>>>>>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the > word >>>>>>> planet : >>>>>>>>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and is large >>>>>>> enough for >>>>>>>>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto > would >>>>>>> hence be >>>>>>>>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would >>>>> include >>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> object that meets the definition of a planet and has an >>> orbit >>>>>>> beyond >>>>>>>>> Neptunes. >>>>>>>>> - The New York Times. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article on >>> the >>>>>>> above >>>>>>>>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments > are >>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> strong on this issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto and >>>>>>> Herschel >>>>>>>>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>>>>>>>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias top >>>>>>> Astrological >>>>>>>>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time > to >>>>>>> come also >>>>>>>>> Herschel and Neptune. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would >>> have >>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> respectable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But its great to know that after thousands of years also >>>>>>> whatever is >>>>>>>>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time >>>>>>> discovered by >>>>>>>>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions > by >>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>> people, just discoveries., because already it was > discovered >>>>> by >>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>> ancients. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prashantkumar G B >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or >>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID >>> also >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>>>>>>>> 09840051861 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail >>> Beta. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 My mail is perfectly contextual..and with jyotish pointers (to the extent I know / heard / discussed); and am open to correction. regards / Prafulla Gang If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then the tables will never seem to turn. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:46:32 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > Pyare Prafullaji, > > Contextual references dijiye na ? > Aur main aapki baat waise bhi manta hoon niji experience se. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> I do not have much knowledge or predictive abilities - but while > having lots of discussions with many good astrologers (local ones) - > I am always told that - predictive success comes from 8th house. >> >> Yes, i agree analytical skills comes from 5th; Jupiter has bigger > role too - but it is venus, who too is great in terms of more > secretive skills (even compared to guru). 2nd house is speech > too...guru in 8th blesses native for positive predictions; and saturn > in 8th for negative predictions. >> >> Analytical skills are good enough, only until learning astrology > and analysing chart..but at some stage, there are so many > multiplicity of factors that astrologer needs to arrive at > judgement - it is delivery of conclusive reading - "prediction" !!! >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life > be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >> >> >>> >>> rajiventerprises >>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:21 -0000 >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> My Dear Boss, >>> >>> Apne ko kisko astrologer banana hai ? Bana do- usko-agar >>> sach bolta hai jab mooh kholta hai. Kya karna hai 8th house >>> or 5th or analytical skills ko ? Is Forum mein toh aise >>> bhi kitne members hain jo predict karte hain? ek aur sahi. >>> Senior logon ka kaam bach jayega toh hum unko paas jaake >>> seekhenge unke spare time mein unke charnon mein baithkar. >>> >>> By the way if You know Shri Sanjay Rathiji personally then please >>> ask him is comments on 5th house and Jupiters aspect on same for >>> prediction purpose. >>> >>> I do not know really know how come 8th Lord will figure in giving >>> good predictions. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> sir >>>> >>>> correct prediction can be given, even without knowing astrology - >>> one needs very strong 8th house. >>>> >>>> Successful astrologer will require good 8th house / lords; 5th >>> house can give good analytical skils - not necessarily good > predictor. >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > life >>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:54 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>> >>>>> For various Dashas rules have been given, which one to use as > per >>> the >>>>> strong planet in Horoscope. Vimsottary has been widely accepted > to >>>>> fit in all cases mostly,the lack of knowledge of other dashas > and >>>>> their utility for individual horoscopes may be one of the > factores >>>>> for all of them not being used. We have to be thankful to these >>>>> great people for having given us so many options to choose. >>> Asregards >>>>> to question marks, we can question any thing on earth and above, >>> the >>>>> Tajmahal also can be commented by critics for certain flaws as > per >>>>> ones views and so can the Moon above too. >>>>> As long as the purpose is being solved and people are being >>> helped to >>>>> lead better lives , I dont look for question marks. >>>>> Who has the time to stand and care or stare ? >>>>> Lets do something constructive like the little squirrel helping >>>>> Lord Rama built a bridge on his great Mission. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> In dasha system - except Vimshottari - not necessarily all >>> planets >>>>> are considered !!! Application of Vimshottari dasha is also a > big >>>>> question mark - and Parashar referred so many conditional >>> dashas !! >>>>>> >>>>>> Why can not we use them like western astrologers are doing >>>>> (including aspects / progression etc). >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>> life >>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly understood > is >>>>>>> seperate ,which is in fact not. >>>>>>> How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? >>>>>>> By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? >>>>>>> Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" >>>>>>> The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. >>>>>>> So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is it not ? >>>>>>> How would You check the antar Dasha. >>>>>>> Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. >>>>>>> Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , >>>>>>> and Guru antar at childs birth. >>>>>>> So the Sub lord is nothing but......... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . >>>>>>> This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but >>>>>>> perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. >>>>>>> Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? >>>>>>> We should be respectful towards these great people Shri BV >>> Raman, >>>>>>> and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this heritage . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same milk..... >>>>>>> just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out with a >>>>>>> diffrent flavour from the same milk...... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay Rath > have >>>>>>> neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are masters, we are >>>>>>> following what they have understood from the Vedas itself and >>> not >>>>> out >>>>>>> of air . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass > destructions >>>>> etc. >>>>>>> but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune and > Herschel >>>>> in >>>>>>> the Dasha system and how many years would You allot it ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - In , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used all > three >>>>>>> outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing unnatural >>> deaths / >>>>>>> fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another parameter to >>>>>>> jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no > reference >>>>> in >>>>>>> vedas ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>>>> life >>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ganesh >>>>>>>>> good post, >>>>>>>>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have discribed >>> Uranus, >>>>>>> Neptune >>>>>>>>> to the precise point can be wored back words for thos who > want >>>>>>> to, thei >>>>>>>>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on human >>>>>>> affairs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe said > at >>>>>>> least over >>>>>>>>> 5000 yrs ago. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment > to >>>>>>> ones work, >>>>>>>>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from small > or >>>>> big >>>>>>>>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is > acceptable >>>>> and >>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies in >>>>>>> matters >>>>>>>>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best >>> given >>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A panel appointed by the International Astronomical Union >>> has >>>>>>> come up >>>>>>>>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over whether > we >>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from the >>>>>>> planetary >>>>>>>>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it was >>>>> first >>>>>>>>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and is >>>>>>> tilted in a >>>>>>>>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the > word >>>>>>> planet : >>>>>>>>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and is large >>>>>>> enough for >>>>>>>>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto > would >>>>>>> hence be >>>>>>>>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would >>>>> include >>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> object that meets the definition of a planet and has an >>> orbit >>>>>>> beyond >>>>>>>>> Neptunes. >>>>>>>>> - The New York Times. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article on >>> the >>>>>>> above >>>>>>>>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments > are >>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> strong on this issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto and >>>>>>> Herschel >>>>>>>>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>>>>>>>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias top >>>>>>> Astrological >>>>>>>>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time > to >>>>>>> come also >>>>>>>>> Herschel and Neptune. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would >>> have >>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> respectable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But its great to know that after thousands of years also >>>>>>> whatever is >>>>>>>>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time >>>>>>> discovered by >>>>>>>>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions > by >>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>> people, just discoveries., because already it was > discovered >>>>> by >>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>> ancients. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prashantkumar G B >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or >>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID >>> also >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>>>>>>>> 09840051861 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail >>> Beta. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji Many thanks for explanations. My majority of jyotish learning process (13/14 years back) has not been logical threads - but in terms of capsules through my time spent with good quality astrolgers. I spent lots of time with them / yogis and so on; and tried to pick up the threads. Some of the capsules, I found now by modern writers as research..then i realized the talent available with downtown astrologers (good ones) and the predictive accuracy. Surprisingly, many of these astrologers are very modern in their outlook and vision (contrary to many beliefs..and the stress, they put on fundamentals) Now, I do not find that much time - so chart reading interest faded away, and predictive confidence diluted. Yes, at later stage - I tried to find logical clues. If I recall, there was few releases (perhaps in 1996/97) of Times of Astrology (Late Shri Santhanam ji), where modern roles of 6/8/12 were highlighted.. I know, hard core Parashari will seldom agree, but many downtown astrolgers do not redicule just 6/8/12. Incidently, this always remained my focus of special study for my chart where most planets in 3/6/8/12 (selfish mind !!), even in discussions with good astrologers. At later stage, when sort of coorelation was there in my son's chart too - I was inclined to find good out of it. Dear Shri Kumar ji also highlighted in his presentation paper (as quoted by Bhaskar ji). Though, he has taken negatives becoming positives in modern contexts, but otherwise also - there are so many good from each of the dusthana (except for native's health / vitality / accidents etc). for example - 6th house is major factor for continuity of pursuits (being bhagya of karma and karma of bhagya) 8th house being "pinda" - origin of native is very crucial; apart from materialistic issues attached with it (for 4th from 5th; 2nd from 7th; 11th from 10th; 9th from 11th etc) 12th house is controlling satisfaction / happiness (9th from 4th), subconscious mind etc. Since, I am quite away from day to day chart readings and offline astrological discussions (for my preoccupations), I am quite handicapped at times too, to quote relevant charts and readings therewith. But, this is the journey - I have opted until, I retire from my professional action. BTW, I have one conclusion - that 70% accuracy can still be achieved by keeping jyotish simple and around core fundamntals- free from complex and multiple principles. Yes, one must be very good on those fundamentals. regards / Prafulla Gang If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then the tables will never seem to turn. > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:53:09 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > Prafulla, > > The tenth house from any given house tends to feed into the fourth > house therefrom. Dasham feeds lagna and illuminates it, 11th feeds > into our dhana (2nd), vyaya (12) feeds into and motivates efforts, > lagna feeds into mind and peace, 2nd house (family) leads to progeny, > etc. > > Fifth being 10th from 8th feeds into ashtama. 8th is about > discoveries, revelations (research) and fifth is the spark that feeds > into 8th and makes it come alive and fruitful in so far as > predictions are concerned perhaps. Predictions are essentially one's > ability to read and recognized celestial patterns. > > There is a bit of a misrepresentation in the header of this thread. > Angrez (British) did not create Western tropical astrology, > Babylonians did. But perhaps the intention here was to acknowledge > British Astrologers such as Alan Leo and others who were instrumental > in . Minor point! Please carry on! > > > RR > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> I do not have much knowledge or predictive abilities - but while > having lots of discussions with many good astrologers (local ones) - > I am always told that - predictive success comes from 8th house. >> >> Yes, i agree analytical skills comes from 5th; Jupiter has bigger > role too - but it is venus, who too is great in terms of more > secretive skills (even compared to guru). 2nd house is speech > too...guru in 8th blesses native for positive predictions; and saturn > in 8th for negative predictions. >> >> Analytical skills are good enough, only until learning > astrology..for prediction - it is delivery of reading !!! >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't life > be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >> >> >>> >>> rajiventerprises >>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:21 -0000 >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> My Dear Boss, >>> >>> Apne ko kisko astrologer banana hai ? Bana do- usko-agar >>> sach bolta hai jab mooh kholta hai. Kya karna hai 8th house >>> or 5th or analytical skills ko ? Is Forum mein toh aise >>> bhi kitne members hain jo predict karte hain? ek aur sahi. >>> Senior logon ka kaam bach jayega toh hum unko paas jaake >>> seekhenge unke spare time mein unke charnon mein baithkar. >>> >>> By the way if You know Shri Sanjay Rathiji personally then please >>> ask him is comments on 5th house and Jupiters aspect on same for >>> prediction purpose. >>> >>> I do not know really know how come 8th Lord will figure in giving >>> good predictions. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> sir >>>> >>>> correct prediction can be given, even without knowing astrology - >>> one needs very strong 8th house. >>>> >>>> Successful astrologer will require good 8th house / lords; 5th >>> house can give good analytical skils - not necessarily good > predictor. >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > life >>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:54 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>> >>>>> For various Dashas rules have been given, which one to use as > per >>> the >>>>> strong planet in Horoscope. Vimsottary has been widely accepted > to >>>>> fit in all cases mostly,the lack of knowledge of other dashas > and >>>>> their utility for individual horoscopes may be one of the > factores >>>>> for all of them not being used. We have to be thankful to these >>>>> great people for having given us so many options to choose. >>> Asregards >>>>> to question marks, we can question any thing on earth and above, >>> the >>>>> Tajmahal also can be commented by critics for certain flaws as > per >>>>> ones views and so can the Moon above too. >>>>> As long as the purpose is being solved and people are being >>> helped to >>>>> lead better lives , I dont look for question marks. >>>>> Who has the time to stand and care or stare ? >>>>> Lets do something constructive like the little squirrel helping >>>>> Lord Rama built a bridge on his great Mission. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> In dasha system - except Vimshottari - not necessarily all >>> planets >>>>> are considered !!! Application of Vimshottari dasha is also a > big >>>>> question mark - and Parashar referred so many conditional >>> dashas !! >>>>>> >>>>>> Why can not we use them like western astrologers are doing >>>>> (including aspects / progression etc). >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>> life >>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly understood > is >>>>>>> seperate ,which is in fact not. >>>>>>> How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? >>>>>>> By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? >>>>>>> Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" >>>>>>> The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. >>>>>>> So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is it not ? >>>>>>> How would You check the antar Dasha. >>>>>>> Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. >>>>>>> Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , >>>>>>> and Guru antar at childs birth. >>>>>>> So the Sub lord is nothing but......... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . >>>>>>> This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but >>>>>>> perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. >>>>>>> Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? >>>>>>> We should be respectful towards these great people Shri BV >>> Raman, >>>>>>> and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this heritage . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same milk..... >>>>>>> just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out with a >>>>>>> diffrent flavour from the same milk...... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay Rath > have >>>>>>> neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are masters, we are >>>>>>> following what they have understood from the Vedas itself and >>> not >>>>> out >>>>>>> of air . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass > destructions >>>>> etc. >>>>>>> but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune and > Herschel >>>>> in >>>>>>> the Dasha system and how many years would You allot it ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - In , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used all > three >>>>>>> outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing unnatural >>> deaths / >>>>>>> fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another parameter to >>>>>>> jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no > reference >>>>> in >>>>>>> vedas ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>>>> life >>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ganesh >>>>>>>>> good post, >>>>>>>>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have discribed >>> Uranus, >>>>>>> Neptune >>>>>>>>> to the precise point can be wored back words for thos who > want >>>>>>> to, thei >>>>>>>>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on human >>>>>>> affairs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe said > at >>>>>>> least over >>>>>>>>> 5000 yrs ago. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment > to >>>>>>> ones work, >>>>>>>>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from small > or >>>>> big >>>>>>>>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is > acceptable >>>>> and >>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies in >>>>>>> matters >>>>>>>>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best >>> given >>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A panel appointed by the International Astronomical Union >>> has >>>>>>> come up >>>>>>>>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over whether > we >>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from the >>>>>>> planetary >>>>>>>>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it was >>>>> first >>>>>>>>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and is >>>>>>> tilted in a >>>>>>>>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the > word >>>>>>> planet : >>>>>>>>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and is large >>>>>>> enough for >>>>>>>>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto > would >>>>>>> hence be >>>>>>>>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would >>>>> include >>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> object that meets the definition of a planet and has an >>> orbit >>>>>>> beyond >>>>>>>>> Neptunes. >>>>>>>>> - The New York Times. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article on >>> the >>>>>>> above >>>>>>>>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments > are >>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> strong on this issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto and >>>>>>> Herschel >>>>>>>>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>>>>>>>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias top >>>>>>> Astrological >>>>>>>>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time > to >>>>>>> come also >>>>>>>>> Herschel and Neptune. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would >>> have >>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> respectable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But its great to know that after thousands of years also >>>>>>> whatever is >>>>>>>>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time >>>>>>> discovered by >>>>>>>>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions > by >>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>> people, just discoveries., because already it was > discovered >>>>> by >>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>> ancients. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prashantkumar G B >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or >>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID >>> also >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>>>>>>>> 09840051861 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail >>> Beta. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji I agree. Eventually, any approach must help in predicting. regards / Prafulla Gang Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:53:33 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > Dear Prafulla, > > Much of the known fundamental basis of astrological delineation is > axiomatic. It is based on fundamental assumptions. Some being the > order of signs, their rulerships, same regarding nakshatra order and > rulership (which ties to the order of vimshottari dasha but not > vimshottari durations), the basis underlying bhavat-bhavam and pada > determination, the CW and ACW order of chara dashas, the similar > order then not being followed in the chara bhuktis (unlike > vimshottari which followes identical order for dashas and bhuktis > etc). There are many more such basic assumptions which are not > necessarily logic-based. Some may say that there is logic behind all > of these but we just do not know. Possible, but does not reduce the > uncertainty! Hence, while logical sounding explanations might be > satisfying to the modern minds, logic may not represent the ultimate > reality insofar as astrology is concerned. Your method of picking out > capsules (as you describe) is quite valuable. Quite frankly, at the > end of the day, if your capsules explain and correlate with > experienced reality a significant number of times, they are probably > more useful and effective than the most logically-defined process > that fails the test of reality. > > There are also differences in the minds and mindsets of astrologers. > Some are more logically-oriented and need that there be some logic in > the astro-delineative process, while others are more confident with > just pattern-recognition and pattern-matching which is a more > holistic process while logical approach is more analytical process. > Ultimately -- whether one is analysing or pattern-recognizing -- the > reading has to lean on the process of synthesis. This brings all the > bits and pieces together in a form which is intelligible to the > nativity. A process best done in a face-to-face interactive setting. > > RR > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Ranjan ji >> >> Many thanks for explanations. >> >> My majority of jyotish learning process (13/14 years back) has not > been logical threads - but in terms of capsules through my time spent > with good quality astrolgers. I spent lots of time with them / yogis > and so on; and tried to pick up the threads. Some of the capsules, I > found now by modern writers as research..then i realized the talent > available with downtown astrologers (good ones) and the predictive > accuracy. Surprisingly, many of these astrologers are very modern in > their outlook and vision (contrary to many beliefs..and the stress, > they put on fundamentals) >> >> Now, I do not find that much time - so chart reading interest faded > away, and predictive confidence diluted. Yes, at later stage - I > tried to find logical clues. >> >> If I recall, there was few releases (perhaps in 1996/97) of Times > of Astrology (Late Shri Santhanam ji), where modern roles of 6/8/12 > were highlighted. I know, hard core Parashari will seldom agree, but > many downtown astrolgers do not redicule just 6/8/12. Incidently, > this always remained my focus of special study for my chart where > most planets in 3/6/8/12 (selfish mind !!), even in discussions with > good astrologers. At later stage, when sort of coorelation was there > in my son's chart too - I was inclined to find good out of it. Dear > Shri Kumar ji also highlighted in his presentation paper (as quoted > by Bhaskar ji). Though, he has taken negatives becoming positives in > modern contexts, but otherwise also - there are so many good from > each of the dusthana (except for native's health / vitality / > accidents etc). for example - >> >> 6th house is major factor for continuity of pursuits (being bhagya > of karma and karma of bhagya) >> >> 8th house being "pinda" - origin of native is very crucial; apart > from materialistic issues attached with it (for 4th from 5th; 2nd > from 7th; 11th from 10th; 9th from 11th etc) >> >> 12th house is controlling satisfaction / happiness (9th from 4th), > subconscious mind etc. >> >> Since, I am quite away from day to day chart readings and offline > astrological discussions (for my preoccupations), I am quite > handicapped at times too, to quote relevant charts and readings > therewith. But, this is the journey - I have opted until, I retire > from my professional action. >> >> BTW, I have one conclusion - that 70% accuracy can still be > achieved by keeping jyotish simple and around core fundamntals- free > from complex and multiple principles. Yes, one must be very good on > those fundamentals. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, then > the tables will never seem to turn. >> >> >>> >>> jyotish_vani >>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:53:09 -0000 >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> Prafulla, >>> >>> The tenth house from any given house tends to feed into the fourth >>> house therefrom. Dasham feeds lagna and illuminates it, 11th feeds >>> into our dhana (2nd), vyaya (12) feeds into and motivates efforts, >>> lagna feeds into mind and peace, 2nd house (family) leads to > progeny, >>> etc. >>> >>> Fifth being 10th from 8th feeds into ashtama. 8th is about >>> discoveries, revelations (research) and fifth is the spark that > feeds >>> into 8th and makes it come alive and fruitful in so far as >>> predictions are concerned perhaps. Predictions are essentially > one's >>> ability to read and recognized celestial patterns. >>> >>> There is a bit of a misrepresentation in the header of this > thread. >>> Angrez (British) did not create Western tropical astrology, >>> Babylonians did. But perhaps the intention here was to acknowledge >>> British Astrologers such as Alan Leo and others who were > instrumental >>> in . Minor point! Please carry on! >>> >>> >>> RR >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I do not have much knowledge or predictive abilities - but while >>> having lots of discussions with many good astrologers (local > ones) - >>> I am always told that - predictive success comes from 8th house. >>>> >>>> Yes, i agree analytical skills comes from 5th; Jupiter has bigger >>> role too - but it is venus, who too is great in terms of more >>> secretive skills (even compared to guru). 2nd house is speech >>> too...guru in 8th blesses native for positive predictions; and > saturn >>> in 8th for negative predictions. >>>> >>>> Analytical skills are good enough, only until learning >>> astrology..for prediction - it is delivery of reading !!! >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't > life >>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:21 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>> >>>>> My Dear Boss, >>>>> >>>>> Apne ko kisko astrologer banana hai ? Bana do- usko-agar >>>>> sach bolta hai jab mooh kholta hai. Kya karna hai 8th house >>>>> or 5th or analytical skills ko ? Is Forum mein toh aise >>>>> bhi kitne members hain jo predict karte hain? ek aur sahi. >>>>> Senior logon ka kaam bach jayega toh hum unko paas jaake >>>>> seekhenge unke spare time mein unke charnon mein baithkar. >>>>> >>>>> By the way if You know Shri Sanjay Rathiji personally then > please >>>>> ask him is comments on 5th house and Jupiters aspect on same for >>>>> prediction purpose. >>>>> >>>>> I do not know really know how come 8th Lord will figure in > giving >>>>> good predictions. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> sir >>>>>> >>>>>> correct prediction can be given, even without knowing > astrology - >>>>> one needs very strong 8th house. >>>>>> >>>>>> Successful astrologer will require good 8th house / lords; 5th >>>>> house can give good analytical skils - not necessarily good >>> predictor. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>> life >>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:54 -0000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For various Dashas rules have been given, which one to use as >>> per >>>>> the >>>>>>> strong planet in Horoscope. Vimsottary has been widely > accepted >>> to >>>>>>> fit in all cases mostly,the lack of knowledge of other dashas >>> and >>>>>>> their utility for individual horoscopes may be one of the >>> factores >>>>>>> for all of them not being used. We have to be thankful to > these >>>>>>> great people for having given us so many options to choose. >>>>> Asregards >>>>>>> to question marks, we can question any thing on earth and > above, >>>>> the >>>>>>> Tajmahal also can be commented by critics for certain flaws as >>> per >>>>>>> ones views and so can the Moon above too. >>>>>>> As long as the purpose is being solved and people are being >>>>> helped to >>>>>>> lead better lives , I dont look for question marks. >>>>>>> Who has the time to stand and care or stare ? >>>>>>> Lets do something constructive like the little squirrel > helping >>>>>>> Lord Rama built a bridge on his great Mission. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In dasha system - except Vimshottari - not necessarily all >>>>> planets >>>>>>> are considered !!! Application of Vimshottari dasha is also a >>> big >>>>>>> question mark - and Parashar referred so many conditional >>>>> dashas !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why can not we use them like western astrologers are doing >>>>>>> (including aspects / progression etc). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>>>> life >>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly > understood >>> is >>>>>>>>> seperate ,which is in fact not. >>>>>>>>> How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? >>>>>>>>> By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? >>>>>>>>> Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" >>>>>>>>> The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. >>>>>>>>> So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is it > not ? >>>>>>>>> How would You check the antar Dasha. >>>>>>>>> Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. >>>>>>>>> Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , >>>>>>>>> and Guru antar at childs birth. >>>>>>>>> So the Sub lord is nothing but......... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . >>>>>>>>> This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but >>>>>>>>> perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. >>>>>>>>> Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? >>>>>>>>> We should be respectful towards these great people Shri BV >>>>> Raman, >>>>>>>>> and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this heritage . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same milk..... >>>>>>>>> just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out with > a >>>>>>>>> diffrent flavour from the same milk...... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay Rath >>> have >>>>>>>>> neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are masters, we > are >>>>>>>>> following what they have understood from the Vedas itself > and >>>>> not >>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> of air . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass >>> destructions >>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>> but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune and >>> Herschel >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the Dasha system and how many years would You allot it ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - In , Prafulla Gang >>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used all >>> three >>>>>>>>> outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing unnatural >>>>> deaths / >>>>>>>>> fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another parameter > to >>>>>>>>> jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no >>> reference >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> vedas ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then > wouldn't >>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ganesh >>>>>>>>>>> good post, >>>>>>>>>>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have discribed >>>>> Uranus, >>>>>>>>> Neptune >>>>>>>>>>> to the precise point can be wored back words for thos who >>> want >>>>>>>>> to, thei >>>>>>>>>>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on > human >>>>>>>>> affairs. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe said >>> at >>>>>>>>> least over >>>>>>>>>>> 5000 yrs ago. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, commitment >>> to >>>>>>>>> ones work, >>>>>>>>>>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from > small >>> or >>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is >>> acceptable >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one copies > in >>>>>>>>> matters >>>>>>>>>>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is best >>>>> given >>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A panel appointed by the International Astronomical > Union >>>>> has >>>>>>>>> come up >>>>>>>>>>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over > whether >>> we >>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from > the >>>>>>>>> planetary >>>>>>>>>>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it > was >>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and > is >>>>>>>>> tilted in a >>>>>>>>>>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the >>> word >>>>>>>>> planet : >>>>>>>>>>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and is > large >>>>>>>>> enough for >>>>>>>>>>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto >>> would >>>>>>>>> hence be >>>>>>>>>>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which would >>>>>>> include >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> object that meets the definition of a planet and has an >>>>> orbit >>>>>>>>> beyond >>>>>>>>>>> Neptunes. >>>>>>>>>>> - The New York Times. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an article > on >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> above >>>>>>>>>>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers comments >>> are >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> strong on this issue. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto > and >>>>>>>>> Herschel >>>>>>>>>>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>>>>>>>>>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias top >>>>>>>>> Astrological >>>>>>>>>>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in time >>> to >>>>>>>>> come also >>>>>>>>>>> Herschel and Neptune. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it would >>>>> have >>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> respectable. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But its great to know that after thousands of years also >>>>>>>>> whatever is >>>>>>>>>>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time >>>>>>>>> discovered by >>>>>>>>>>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as Inventions >>> by >>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> people, just discoveries., because already it was >>> discovered >>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>> ancients. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prashantkumar G B >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail > or >>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID >>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>>>>>>>>>> 09840051861 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail >>>>> Beta. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Truth is a very uncertain term in itself, for human mind !! Very often, an astrologer tend to believe that, they are close to truth. and this is the biggest fallacy. My pointers : When analytical skills govern the truth finding mission, it is mercury which operates; and mercury does not lead to the truth !!! for example - Mercury governs the "vaishya" community. It is artificial intelligence (you may not tend to agree, as you expressed on another thread) and is highly manipulative one too. Communication skill is also far different than prediction. Most of the time, it is either retrograde or in close conjunction with sun. It often, lacks the directions. In kala purusha chart - it governs 3rd and 6th house. You may draw your conclusions. regards / Prafulla Gang Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:23:17 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > I too agree Prafulla Bhai that any approach must eventually > lead us into predicting near the truth or truth itself. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Ranjan ji >> >> I agree. Eventually, any approach must help in predicting. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >> >> >>> >>> jyotish_vani >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:53:33 -0000 >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> Dear Prafulla, >>> >>> Much of the known fundamental basis of astrological delineation is >>> axiomatic. It is based on fundamental assumptions. Some being the >>> order of signs, their rulerships, same regarding nakshatra order > and >>> rulership (which ties to the order of vimshottari dasha but not >>> vimshottari durations), the basis underlying bhavat-bhavam and > pada >>> determination, the CW and ACW order of chara dashas, the similar >>> order then not being followed in the chara bhuktis (unlike >>> vimshottari which followes identical order for dashas and bhuktis >>> etc). There are many more such basic assumptions which are not >>> necessarily logic-based. Some may say that there is logic behind > all >>> of these but we just do not know. Possible, but does not reduce > the >>> uncertainty! Hence, while logical sounding explanations might be >>> satisfying to the modern minds, logic may not represent the > ultimate >>> reality insofar as astrology is concerned. Your method of picking > out >>> capsules (as you describe) is quite valuable. Quite frankly, at > the >>> end of the day, if your capsules explain and correlate with >>> experienced reality a significant number of times, they are > probably >>> more useful and effective than the most logically-defined process >>> that fails the test of reality. >>> >>> There are also differences in the minds and mindsets of > astrologers. >>> Some are more logically-oriented and need that there be some > logic in >>> the astro-delineative process, while others are more confident > with >>> just pattern-recognition and pattern-matching which is a more >>> holistic process while logical approach is more analytical > process. >>> Ultimately -- whether one is analysing or pattern-recognizing -- > the >>> reading has to lean on the process of synthesis. This brings all > the >>> bits and pieces together in a form which is intelligible to the >>> nativity. A process best done in a face-to-face interactive > setting. >>> >>> RR >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Ranjan ji >>>> >>>> Many thanks for explanations. >>>> >>>> My majority of jyotish learning process (13/14 years back) has > not >>> been logical threads - but in terms of capsules through my time > spent >>> with good quality astrolgers. I spent lots of time with them / > yogis >>> and so on; and tried to pick up the threads. Some of the > capsules, I >>> found now by modern writers as research..then i realized the > talent >>> available with downtown astrologers (good ones) and the predictive >>> accuracy. Surprisingly, many of these astrologers are very modern > in >>> their outlook and vision (contrary to many beliefs..and the > stress, >>> they put on fundamentals) >>>> >>>> Now, I do not find that much time - so chart reading interest > faded >>> away, and predictive confidence diluted. Yes, at later stage - I >>> tried to find logical clues. >>>> >>>> If I recall, there was few releases (perhaps in 1996/97) of Times >>> of Astrology (Late Shri Santhanam ji), where modern roles of > 6/8/12 >>> were highlighted. I know, hard core Parashari will seldom agree, > but >>> many downtown astrolgers do not redicule just 6/8/12. Incidently, >>> this always remained my focus of special study for my chart where >>> most planets in 3/6/8/12 (selfish mind !!), even in discussions > with >>> good astrologers. At later stage, when sort of coorelation was > there >>> in my son's chart too - I was inclined to find good out of it. > Dear >>> Shri Kumar ji also highlighted in his presentation paper (as > quoted >>> by Bhaskar ji). Though, he has taken negatives becoming positives > in >>> modern contexts, but otherwise also - there are so many good from >>> each of the dusthana (except for native's health / vitality / >>> accidents etc). for example - >>>> >>>> 6th house is major factor for continuity of pursuits (being > bhagya >>> of karma and karma of bhagya) >>>> >>>> 8th house being "pinda" - origin of native is very crucial; apart >>> from materialistic issues attached with it (for 4th from 5th; 2nd >>> from 7th; 11th from 10th; 9th from 11th etc) >>>> >>>> 12th house is controlling satisfaction / happiness (9th from > 4th), >>> subconscious mind etc. >>>> >>>> Since, I am quite away from day to day chart readings and offline >>> astrological discussions (for my preoccupations), I am quite >>> handicapped at times too, to quote relevant charts and readings >>> therewith. But, this is the journey - I have opted until, I retire >>> from my professional action. >>>> >>>> BTW, I have one conclusion - that 70% accuracy can still be >>> achieved by keeping jyotish simple and around core fundamntals- > free >>> from complex and multiple principles. Yes, one must be very good > on >>> those fundamentals. >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, > then >>> the tables will never seem to turn. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> jyotish_vani@ >>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:53:09 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>> >>>>> Prafulla, >>>>> >>>>> The tenth house from any given house tends to feed into the > fourth >>>>> house therefrom. Dasham feeds lagna and illuminates it, 11th > feeds >>>>> into our dhana (2nd), vyaya (12) feeds into and motivates > efforts, >>>>> lagna feeds into mind and peace, 2nd house (family) leads to >>> progeny, >>>>> etc. >>>>> >>>>> Fifth being 10th from 8th feeds into ashtama. 8th is about >>>>> discoveries, revelations (research) and fifth is the spark that >>> feeds >>>>> into 8th and makes it come alive and fruitful in so far as >>>>> predictions are concerned perhaps. Predictions are essentially >>> one's >>>>> ability to read and recognized celestial patterns. >>>>> >>>>> There is a bit of a misrepresentation in the header of this >>> thread. >>>>> Angrez (British) did not create Western tropical astrology, >>>>> Babylonians did. But perhaps the intention here was to > acknowledge >>>>> British Astrologers such as Alan Leo and others who were >>> instrumental >>>>> in . Minor point! Please carry on! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> RR >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not have much knowledge or predictive abilities - but > while >>>>> having lots of discussions with many good astrologers (local >>> ones) - >>>>> I am always told that - predictive success comes from 8th house. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, i agree analytical skills comes from 5th; Jupiter has > bigger >>>>> role too - but it is venus, who too is great in terms of more >>>>> secretive skills (even compared to guru). 2nd house is speech >>>>> too...guru in 8th blesses native for positive predictions; and >>> saturn >>>>> in 8th for negative predictions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Analytical skills are good enough, only until learning >>>>> astrology..for prediction - it is delivery of reading !!! >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>> life >>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:21 -0000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My Dear Boss, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apne ko kisko astrologer banana hai ? Bana do- usko-agar >>>>>>> sach bolta hai jab mooh kholta hai. Kya karna hai 8th house >>>>>>> or 5th or analytical skills ko ? Is Forum mein toh aise >>>>>>> bhi kitne members hain jo predict karte hain? ek aur sahi. >>>>>>> Senior logon ka kaam bach jayega toh hum unko paas jaake >>>>>>> seekhenge unke spare time mein unke charnon mein baithkar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By the way if You know Shri Sanjay Rathiji personally then >>> please >>>>>>> ask him is comments on 5th house and Jupiters aspect on same > for >>>>>>> prediction purpose. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do not know really know how come 8th Lord will figure in >>> giving >>>>>>> good predictions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sir >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> correct prediction can be given, even without knowing >>> astrology - >>>>>>> one needs very strong 8th house. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Successful astrologer will require good 8th house / lords; > 5th >>>>>>> house can give good analytical skils - not necessarily good >>>>> predictor. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>>>> life >>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:54 -0000 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For various Dashas rules have been given, which one to use > as >>>>> per >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> strong planet in Horoscope. Vimsottary has been widely >>> accepted >>>>> to >>>>>>>>> fit in all cases mostly,the lack of knowledge of other > dashas >>>>> and >>>>>>>>> their utility for individual horoscopes may be one of the >>>>> factores >>>>>>>>> for all of them not being used. We have to be thankful to >>> these >>>>>>>>> great people for having given us so many options to choose. >>>>>>> Asregards >>>>>>>>> to question marks, we can question any thing on earth and >>> above, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Tajmahal also can be commented by critics for certain flaws > as >>>>> per >>>>>>>>> ones views and so can the Moon above too. >>>>>>>>> As long as the purpose is being solved and people are being >>>>>>> helped to >>>>>>>>> lead better lives , I dont look for question marks. >>>>>>>>> Who has the time to stand and care or stare ? >>>>>>>>> Lets do something constructive like the little squirrel >>> helping >>>>>>>>> Lord Rama built a bridge on his great Mission. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>>>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In dasha system - except Vimshottari - not necessarily all >>>>>>> planets >>>>>>>>> are considered !!! Application of Vimshottari dasha is also > a >>>>> big >>>>>>>>> question mark - and Parashar referred so many conditional >>>>>>> dashas !! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why can not we use them like western astrologers are doing >>>>>>>>> (including aspects / progression etc). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then > wouldn't >>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly >>> understood >>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> seperate ,which is in fact not. >>>>>>>>>>> How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? >>>>>>>>>>> By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? >>>>>>>>>>> Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" >>>>>>>>>>> The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. >>>>>>>>>>> So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is it >>> not ? >>>>>>>>>>> How would You check the antar Dasha. >>>>>>>>>>> Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. >>>>>>>>>>> Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , >>>>>>>>>>> and Guru antar at childs birth. >>>>>>>>>>> So the Sub lord is nothing but......... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . >>>>>>>>>>> This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but >>>>>>>>>>> perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. >>>>>>>>>>> Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? >>>>>>>>>>> We should be respectful towards these great people Shri BV >>>>>>> Raman, >>>>>>>>>>> and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this heritage . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same milk..... >>>>>>>>>>> just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out > with >>> a >>>>>>>>>>> diffrent flavour from the same milk...... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay > Rath >>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are masters, we >>> are >>>>>>>>>>> following what they have understood from the Vedas itself >>> and >>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> of air . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass >>>>> destructions >>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>> but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune and >>>>> Herschel >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> the Dasha system and how many years would You allot it ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - In , Prafulla Gang >>>>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used all >>>>> three >>>>>>>>>>> outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing unnatural >>>>>>> deaths / >>>>>>>>>>> fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another > parameter >>> to >>>>>>>>>>> jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no >>>>> reference >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> vedas ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then >>> wouldn't >>>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little > while. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ganesh >>>>>>>>>>>>> good post, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have discribed >>>>>>> Uranus, >>>>>>>>>>> Neptune >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the precise point can be wored back words for thos > who >>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>> to, thei >>>>>>>>>>>>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on >>> human >>>>>>>>>>> affairs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe > said >>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>> least over >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5000 yrs ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, > commitment >>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> ones work, >>>>>>>>>>>>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from >>> small >>>>> or >>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is >>>>> acceptable >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one > copies >>> in >>>>>>>>>>> matters >>>>>>>>>>>>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is > best >>>>>>> given >>>>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A panel appointed by the International Astronomical >>> Union >>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> come up >>>>>>>>>>>>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over >>> whether >>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto from >>> the >>>>>>>>>>> planetary >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what it >>> was >>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical and >>> is >>>>>>>>>>> tilted in a >>>>>>>>>>>>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of the >>>>> word >>>>>>>>>>> planet : >>>>>>>>>>>>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and is >>> large >>>>>>>>>>> enough for >>>>>>>>>>>>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. Pluto >>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>> hence be >>>>>>>>>>>>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which > would >>>>>>>>> include >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>> object that meets the definition of a planet and has > an >>>>>>> orbit >>>>>>>>>>> beyond >>>>>>>>>>>>> Neptunes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> - The New York Times. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an > article >>> on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> above >>>>>>>>>>>>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers > comments >>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>> strong on this issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now In India when we have started using Neptune,Pluto >>> and >>>>>>>>>>> Herschel >>>>>>>>>>>>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>>>>>>>>>>>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias top >>>>>>>>>>> Astrological >>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in > time >>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> come also >>>>>>>>>>>>> Herschel and Neptune. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it > would >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>> respectable. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But its great to know that after thousands of years > also >>>>>>>>>>> whatever is >>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to time >>>>>>>>>>> discovered by >>>>>>>>>>>>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as > Inventions >>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> people, just discoveries., because already it was >>>>> discovered >>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>> ancients. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prashantkumar G B >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>>>>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > mail >>> or >>>>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal > ID >>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>>>>>>>>>>>> 09840051861 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Next-gen email? 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Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Ha Ha.. I enjoyd your note. regards / Prafulla Gang Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:03:26 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > I do not possess as good communication skills like You, so will > not be able to reply with the same style and combination of words > You are able to use. My communication skills are really primitive. > > If a astrologer does not tend to believe with his analysis or logical > enquiry and also interaction with clients, that he is not near the > truth then how can he do astrology in the first case or continue? > > If a person going to gymn does not believe that his body is becoming > better by regularly visiting the gymn,then how will he continue? Does > not he see his own body and decide that he is becoming better by > going to gymn ? > In the same way astrologer knows that he is near the truth when > matters which he is looking for, fall in places, they are supposed to. > > The biggest fallacy may be there for people who get into this > business of selling astrology after reading few books or 1-2 years > study, but not fallacy when he meets 5-7 clients daily or looks up > 3-5 horoscopes daily and gets feedback from client and the clients > are permanent. Thus he knows that astrology certainly brings a person > to truth or near the truth. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Truth is a very uncertain term in itself, for human mind !! Very > often, an astrologer tend to believe that, they are close to truth. > and this is the biggest fallacy. >> >> My pointers : >> When analytical skills govern the truth finding mission, it is > mercury which operates; and mercury does not lead to the truth !!! > for example - Mercury governs the "vaishya" community. It is > artificial intelligence (you may not tend to agree, as you expressed > on another thread) and is highly manipulative one too. Communication > skill is also far different than prediction. Most of the time, it is > either retrograde or in close conjunction with sun. It often, lacks > the directions. In kala purusha chart - it governs 3rd and 6th house. >> >> You may draw your conclusions. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >> >> >>> >>> rajiventerprises >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:23:17 -0000 >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> I too agree Prafulla Bhai that any approach must eventually >>> lead us into predicting near the truth or truth itself. >>> >>> regards/Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Ranjan ji >>>> >>>> I agree. Eventually, any approach must help in predicting. >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> jyotish_vani@ >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:53:33 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>> >>>>> Dear Prafulla, >>>>> >>>>> Much of the known fundamental basis of astrological delineation > is >>>>> axiomatic. It is based on fundamental assumptions. Some being > the >>>>> order of signs, their rulerships, same regarding nakshatra order >>> and >>>>> rulership (which ties to the order of vimshottari dasha but not >>>>> vimshottari durations), the basis underlying bhavat-bhavam and >>> pada >>>>> determination, the CW and ACW order of chara dashas, the similar >>>>> order then not being followed in the chara bhuktis (unlike >>>>> vimshottari which followes identical order for dashas and > bhuktis >>>>> etc). There are many more such basic assumptions which are not >>>>> necessarily logic-based. Some may say that there is logic behind >>> all >>>>> of these but we just do not know. Possible, but does not reduce >>> the >>>>> uncertainty! Hence, while logical sounding explanations might be >>>>> satisfying to the modern minds, logic may not represent the >>> ultimate >>>>> reality insofar as astrology is concerned. Your method of > picking >>> out >>>>> capsules (as you describe) is quite valuable. Quite frankly, at >>> the >>>>> end of the day, if your capsules explain and correlate with >>>>> experienced reality a significant number of times, they are >>> probably >>>>> more useful and effective than the most logically-defined > process >>>>> that fails the test of reality. >>>>> >>>>> There are also differences in the minds and mindsets of >>> astrologers. >>>>> Some are more logically-oriented and need that there be some >>> logic in >>>>> the astro-delineative process, while others are more confident >>> with >>>>> just pattern-recognition and pattern-matching which is a more >>>>> holistic process while logical approach is more analytical >>> process. >>>>> Ultimately -- whether one is analysing or pattern-recognizing -- >>> the >>>>> reading has to lean on the process of synthesis. This brings all >>> the >>>>> bits and pieces together in a form which is intelligible to the >>>>> nativity. A process best done in a face-to-face interactive >>> setting. >>>>> >>>>> RR >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Ranjan ji >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks for explanations. >>>>>> >>>>>> My majority of jyotish learning process (13/14 years back) has >>> not >>>>> been logical threads - but in terms of capsules through my time >>> spent >>>>> with good quality astrolgers. I spent lots of time with them / >>> yogis >>>>> and so on; and tried to pick up the threads. Some of the >>> capsules, I >>>>> found now by modern writers as research..then i realized the >>> talent >>>>> available with downtown astrologers (good ones) and the > predictive >>>>> accuracy. Surprisingly, many of these astrologers are very > modern >>> in >>>>> their outlook and vision (contrary to many beliefs..and the >>> stress, >>>>> they put on fundamentals) >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, I do not find that much time - so chart reading interest >>> faded >>>>> away, and predictive confidence diluted. Yes, at later stage - I >>>>> tried to find logical clues. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I recall, there was few releases (perhaps in 1996/97) of > Times >>>>> of Astrology (Late Shri Santhanam ji), where modern roles of >>> 6/8/12 >>>>> were highlighted. I know, hard core Parashari will seldom agree, >>> but >>>>> many downtown astrolgers do not redicule just 6/8/12. > Incidently, >>>>> this always remained my focus of special study for my chart > where >>>>> most planets in 3/6/8/12 (selfish mind !!), even in discussions >>> with >>>>> good astrologers. At later stage, when sort of coorelation was >>> there >>>>> in my son's chart too - I was inclined to find good out of it. >>> Dear >>>>> Shri Kumar ji also highlighted in his presentation paper (as >>> quoted >>>>> by Bhaskar ji). Though, he has taken negatives becoming > positives >>> in >>>>> modern contexts, but otherwise also - there are so many good > from >>>>> each of the dusthana (except for native's health / vitality / >>>>> accidents etc). for example - >>>>>> >>>>>> 6th house is major factor for continuity of pursuits (being >>> bhagya >>>>> of karma and karma of bhagya) >>>>>> >>>>>> 8th house being "pinda" - origin of native is very crucial; > apart >>>>> from materialistic issues attached with it (for 4th from 5th; > 2nd >>>>> from 7th; 11th from 10th; 9th from 11th etc) >>>>>> >>>>>> 12th house is controlling satisfaction / happiness (9th from >>> 4th), >>>>> subconscious mind etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since, I am quite away from day to day chart readings and > offline >>>>> astrological discussions (for my preoccupations), I am quite >>>>> handicapped at times too, to quote relevant charts and readings >>>>> therewith. But, this is the journey - I have opted until, I > retire >>>>> from my professional action. >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW, I have one conclusion - that 70% accuracy can still be >>>>> achieved by keeping jyotish simple and around core fundamntals- >>> free >>>>> from complex and multiple principles. Yes, one must be very good >>> on >>>>> those fundamentals. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite them, >>> then >>>>> the tables will never seem to turn. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> jyotish_vani@ >>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:53:09 -0000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Prafulla, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The tenth house from any given house tends to feed into the >>> fourth >>>>>>> house therefrom. Dasham feeds lagna and illuminates it, 11th >>> feeds >>>>>>> into our dhana (2nd), vyaya (12) feeds into and motivates >>> efforts, >>>>>>> lagna feeds into mind and peace, 2nd house (family) leads to >>>>> progeny, >>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fifth being 10th from 8th feeds into ashtama. 8th is about >>>>>>> discoveries, revelations (research) and fifth is the spark > that >>>>> feeds >>>>>>> into 8th and makes it come alive and fruitful in so far as >>>>>>> predictions are concerned perhaps. Predictions are essentially >>>>> one's >>>>>>> ability to read and recognized celestial patterns. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a bit of a misrepresentation in the header of this >>>>> thread. >>>>>>> Angrez (British) did not create Western tropical astrology, >>>>>>> Babylonians did. But perhaps the intention here was to >>> acknowledge >>>>>>> British Astrologers such as Alan Leo and others who were >>>>> instrumental >>>>>>> in . Minor point! Please carry on! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RR >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not have much knowledge or predictive abilities - but >>> while >>>>>>> having lots of discussions with many good astrologers (local >>>>> ones) - >>>>>>> I am always told that - predictive success comes from 8th > house. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, i agree analytical skills comes from 5th; Jupiter has >>> bigger >>>>>>> role too - but it is venus, who too is great in terms of more >>>>>>> secretive skills (even compared to guru). 2nd house is speech >>>>>>> too...guru in 8th blesses native for positive predictions; and >>>>> saturn >>>>>>> in 8th for negative predictions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Analytical skills are good enough, only until learning >>>>>>> astrology..for prediction - it is delivery of reading !!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then wouldn't >>>>> life >>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:21 -0000 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My Dear Boss, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apne ko kisko astrologer banana hai ? Bana do- usko-agar >>>>>>>>> sach bolta hai jab mooh kholta hai. Kya karna hai 8th house >>>>>>>>> or 5th or analytical skills ko ? Is Forum mein toh aise >>>>>>>>> bhi kitne members hain jo predict karte hain? ek aur sahi. >>>>>>>>> Senior logon ka kaam bach jayega toh hum unko paas jaake >>>>>>>>> seekhenge unke spare time mein unke charnon mein baithkar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By the way if You know Shri Sanjay Rathiji personally then >>>>> please >>>>>>>>> ask him is comments on 5th house and Jupiters aspect on same >>> for >>>>>>>>> prediction purpose. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do not know really know how come 8th Lord will figure in >>>>> giving >>>>>>>>> good predictions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>>>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> sir >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> correct prediction can be given, even without knowing >>>>> astrology - >>>>>>>>> one needs very strong 8th house. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Successful astrologer will require good 8th house / lords; >>> 5th >>>>>>>>> house can give good analytical skils - not necessarily good >>>>>>> predictor. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then > wouldn't >>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:54 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For various Dashas rules have been given, which one to use >>> as >>>>>>> per >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> strong planet in Horoscope. Vimsottary has been widely >>>>> accepted >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> fit in all cases mostly,the lack of knowledge of other >>> dashas >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> their utility for individual horoscopes may be one of the >>>>>>> factores >>>>>>>>>>> for all of them not being used. We have to be thankful to >>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> great people for having given us so many options to > choose. >>>>>>>>> Asregards >>>>>>>>>>> to question marks, we can question any thing on earth and >>>>> above, >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> Tajmahal also can be commented by critics for certain > flaws >>> as >>>>>>> per >>>>>>>>>>> ones views and so can the Moon above too. >>>>>>>>>>> As long as the purpose is being solved and people are > being >>>>>>>>> helped to >>>>>>>>>>> lead better lives , I dont look for question marks. >>>>>>>>>>> Who has the time to stand and care or stare ? >>>>>>>>>>> Lets do something constructive like the little squirrel >>>>> helping >>>>>>>>>>> Lord Rama built a bridge on his great Mission. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>>>>>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In dasha system - except Vimshottari - not necessarily > all >>>>>>>>> planets >>>>>>>>>>> are considered !!! Application of Vimshottari dasha is > also >>> a >>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>> question mark - and Parashar referred so many conditional >>>>>>>>> dashas !! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why can not we use them like western astrologers are > doing >>>>>>>>>>> (including aspects / progression etc). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then >>> wouldn't >>>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little > while. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly >>>>> understood >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> seperate ,which is in fact not. >>>>>>>>>>>>> How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. >>>>>>>>>>>>> So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is it >>>>> not ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> How would You check the antar Dasha. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , >>>>>>>>>>>>> and Guru antar at childs birth. >>>>>>>>>>>>> So the Sub lord is nothing but......... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but >>>>>>>>>>>>> perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> We should be respectful towards these great people Shri > BV >>>>>>>>> Raman, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this heritage . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same > milk..... >>>>>>>>>>>>> just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out >>> with >>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> diffrent flavour from the same milk...... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay >>> Rath >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are masters, > we >>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>> following what they have understood from the Vedas > itself >>>>> and >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>> of air . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass >>>>>>> destructions >>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune and >>>>>>> Herschel >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Dasha system and how many years would You allot it ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - In , Prafulla Gang >>>>>>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used > all >>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>>>>>> outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing > unnatural >>>>>>>>> deaths / >>>>>>>>>>>>> fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another >>> parameter >>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no >>>>>>> reference >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> vedas ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then >>>>> wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little >>> while. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ganesh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good post, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have > discribed >>>>>>>>> Uranus, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Neptune >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the precise point can be wored back words for thos >>> who >>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>> to, thei >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact on >>>>> human >>>>>>>>>>>>> affairs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's point.whichhe >>> said >>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>> least over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5000 yrs ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, >>> commitment >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> ones work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied from >>>>> small >>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is >>>>>>> acceptable >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one >>> copies >>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> matters >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say is >>> best >>>>>>>>> given >>>>>>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A panel appointed by the International Astronomical >>>>> Union >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>> come up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over >>>>> whether >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto > from >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> planetary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what > it >>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical > and >>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> tilted in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of > the >>>>>>> word >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and is >>>>> large >>>>>>>>>>>>> enough for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. > Pluto >>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>> hence be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which >>> would >>>>>>>>>>> include >>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object that meets the definition of a planet and has >>> an >>>>>>>>> orbit >>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neptunes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - The New York Times. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an >>> article >>>>> on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> above >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers >>> comments >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong on this issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now In India when we have started using > Neptune,Pluto >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> Herschel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias > top >>>>>>>>>>>>> Astrological >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope in >>> time >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> come also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herschel and Neptune. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it >>> would >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respectable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But its great to know that after thousands of years >>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to > time >>>>>>>>>>>>> discovered by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as >>> Inventions >>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people, just discoveries., because already it was >>>>>>> discovered >>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ancients. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prashantkumar G B >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>>>>>>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, >>> mail >>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay > Pal >>> ID >>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09840051861 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next-gen email? 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Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 ha ha..I pray - Sardar Manmohan Singh is on this list. regards / Prafulla Gang Every exit is an entry somewhere. > > rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com > Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:25:33 -0000 > > Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 > > Dear Prafullaji, > > You are really great. I salute You. You are expert in > teasing and provoking. > Then when a person lets out his steam You enjoy. Great. > At the moment I am smiling too while writing this.You possess > Very well fit qualities to be ambassador for the country. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Ha Ha.. I enjoyd your note. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >> >> >>> >>> rajiventerprises >>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:03:26 -0000 >>> >>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>> >>> I do not possess as good communication skills like You, so will >>> not be able to reply with the same style and combination of words >>> You are able to use. My communication skills are really primitive. >>> >>> If a astrologer does not tend to believe with his analysis or > logical >>> enquiry and also interaction with clients, that he is not near the >>> truth then how can he do astrology in the first case or continue? >>> >>> If a person going to gymn does not believe that his body is > becoming >>> better by regularly visiting the gymn,then how will he continue? > Does >>> not he see his own body and decide that he is becoming better by >>> going to gymn ? >>> In the same way astrologer knows that he is near the truth when >>> matters which he is looking for, fall in places, they are > supposed to. >>> >>> The biggest fallacy may be there for people who get into this >>> business of selling astrology after reading few books or 1-2 years >>> study, but not fallacy when he meets 5-7 clients daily or looks up >>> 3-5 horoscopes daily and gets feedback from client and the clients >>> are permanent. Thus he knows that astrology certainly brings a > person >>> to truth or near the truth. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Truth is a very uncertain term in itself, for human mind !! Very >>> often, an astrologer tend to believe that, they are close to > truth. >>> and this is the biggest fallacy. >>>> >>>> My pointers : >>>> When analytical skills govern the truth finding mission, it is >>> mercury which operates; and mercury does not lead to the truth !!! >>> for example - Mercury governs the "vaishya" community. It is >>> artificial intelligence (you may not tend to agree, as you > expressed >>> on another thread) and is highly manipulative one too. > Communication >>> skill is also far different than prediction. Most of the time, it > is >>> either retrograde or in close conjunction with sun. It often, > lacks >>> the directions. In kala purusha chart - it governs 3rd and 6th > house. >>>> >>>> You may draw your conclusions. >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:23:17 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>> >>>>> I too agree Prafulla Bhai that any approach must eventually >>>>> lead us into predicting near the truth or truth itself. >>>>> >>>>> regards/Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Ranjan ji >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree. Eventually, any approach must help in predicting. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> Every exit is an entry somewhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> jyotish_vani@ >>>>>>> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:53:33 -0000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Much of the known fundamental basis of astrological > delineation >>> is >>>>>>> axiomatic. It is based on fundamental assumptions. Some being >>> the >>>>>>> order of signs, their rulerships, same regarding nakshatra > order >>>>> and >>>>>>> rulership (which ties to the order of vimshottari dasha but > not >>>>>>> vimshottari durations), the basis underlying bhavat-bhavam and >>>>> pada >>>>>>> determination, the CW and ACW order of chara dashas, the > similar >>>>>>> order then not being followed in the chara bhuktis (unlike >>>>>>> vimshottari which followes identical order for dashas and >>> bhuktis >>>>>>> etc). There are many more such basic assumptions which are not >>>>>>> necessarily logic-based. Some may say that there is logic > behind >>>>> all >>>>>>> of these but we just do not know. Possible, but does not > reduce >>>>> the >>>>>>> uncertainty! Hence, while logical sounding explanations might > be >>>>>>> satisfying to the modern minds, logic may not represent the >>>>> ultimate >>>>>>> reality insofar as astrology is concerned. Your method of >>> picking >>>>> out >>>>>>> capsules (as you describe) is quite valuable. Quite frankly, > at >>>>> the >>>>>>> end of the day, if your capsules explain and correlate with >>>>>>> experienced reality a significant number of times, they are >>>>> probably >>>>>>> more useful and effective than the most logically-defined >>> process >>>>>>> that fails the test of reality. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are also differences in the minds and mindsets of >>>>> astrologers. >>>>>>> Some are more logically-oriented and need that there be some >>>>> logic in >>>>>>> the astro-delineative process, while others are more confident >>>>> with >>>>>>> just pattern-recognition and pattern-matching which is a more >>>>>>> holistic process while logical approach is more analytical >>>>> process. >>>>>>> Ultimately -- whether one is analysing or pattern- > recognizing -- >>>>> the >>>>>>> reading has to lean on the process of synthesis. This brings > all >>>>> the >>>>>>> bits and pieces together in a form which is intelligible to > the >>>>>>> nativity. A process best done in a face-to-face interactive >>>>> setting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RR >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Ranjan ji >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many thanks for explanations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My majority of jyotish learning process (13/14 years back) > has >>>>> not >>>>>>> been logical threads - but in terms of capsules through my > time >>>>> spent >>>>>>> with good quality astrolgers. I spent lots of time with them / >>>>> yogis >>>>>>> and so on; and tried to pick up the threads. Some of the >>>>> capsules, I >>>>>>> found now by modern writers as research..then i realized the >>>>> talent >>>>>>> available with downtown astrologers (good ones) and the >>> predictive >>>>>>> accuracy. Surprisingly, many of these astrologers are very >>> modern >>>>> in >>>>>>> their outlook and vision (contrary to many beliefs..and the >>>>> stress, >>>>>>> they put on fundamentals) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, I do not find that much time - so chart reading interest >>>>> faded >>>>>>> away, and predictive confidence diluted. Yes, at later stage - > I >>>>>>> tried to find logical clues. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I recall, there was few releases (perhaps in 1996/97) of >>> Times >>>>>>> of Astrology (Late Shri Santhanam ji), where modern roles of >>>>> 6/8/12 >>>>>>> were highlighted. I know, hard core Parashari will seldom > agree, >>>>> but >>>>>>> many downtown astrolgers do not redicule just 6/8/12. >>> Incidently, >>>>>>> this always remained my focus of special study for my chart >>> where >>>>>>> most planets in 3/6/8/12 (selfish mind !!), even in > discussions >>>>> with >>>>>>> good astrologers. At later stage, when sort of coorelation was >>>>> there >>>>>>> in my son's chart too - I was inclined to find good out of it. >>>>> Dear >>>>>>> Shri Kumar ji also highlighted in his presentation paper (as >>>>> quoted >>>>>>> by Bhaskar ji). Though, he has taken negatives becoming >>> positives >>>>> in >>>>>>> modern contexts, but otherwise also - there are so many good >>> from >>>>>>> each of the dusthana (except for native's health / vitality / >>>>>>> accidents etc). for example - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 6th house is major factor for continuity of pursuits (being >>>>> bhagya >>>>>>> of karma and karma of bhagya) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 8th house being "pinda" - origin of native is very crucial; >>> apart >>>>>>> from materialistic issues attached with it (for 4th from 5th; >>> 2nd >>>>>>> from 7th; 11th from 10th; 9th from 11th etc) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 12th house is controlling satisfaction / happiness (9th from >>>>> 4th), >>>>>>> subconscious mind etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since, I am quite away from day to day chart readings and >>> offline >>>>>>> astrological discussions (for my preoccupations), I am quite >>>>>>> handicapped at times too, to quote relevant charts and > readings >>>>>>> therewith. But, this is the journey - I have opted until, I >>> retire >>>>>>> from my professional action. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW, I have one conclusion - that 70% accuracy can still be >>>>>>> achieved by keeping jyotish simple and around core > fundamntals- >>>>> free >>>>>>> from complex and multiple principles. Yes, one must be very > good >>>>> on >>>>>>> those fundamentals. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you seat yourself next to someone instead of opposite > them, >>>>> then >>>>>>> the tables will never seem to turn. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> jyotish_vani@ >>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:53:09 -0000 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prafulla, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The tenth house from any given house tends to feed into the >>>>> fourth >>>>>>>>> house therefrom. Dasham feeds lagna and illuminates it, 11th >>>>> feeds >>>>>>>>> into our dhana (2nd), vyaya (12) feeds into and motivates >>>>> efforts, >>>>>>>>> lagna feeds into mind and peace, 2nd house (family) leads to >>>>>>> progeny, >>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fifth being 10th from 8th feeds into ashtama. 8th is about >>>>>>>>> discoveries, revelations (research) and fifth is the spark >>> that >>>>>>> feeds >>>>>>>>> into 8th and makes it come alive and fruitful in so far as >>>>>>>>> predictions are concerned perhaps. Predictions are > essentially >>>>>>> one's >>>>>>>>> ability to read and recognized celestial patterns. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is a bit of a misrepresentation in the header of this >>>>>>> thread. >>>>>>>>> Angrez (British) did not create Western tropical astrology, >>>>>>>>> Babylonians did. But perhaps the intention here was to >>>>> acknowledge >>>>>>>>> British Astrologers such as Alan Leo and others who were >>>>>>> instrumental >>>>>>>>> in . Minor point! Please carry on! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RR >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>>>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I do not have much knowledge or predictive abilities - but >>>>> while >>>>>>>>> having lots of discussions with many good astrologers (local >>>>>>> ones) - >>>>>>>>> I am always told that - predictive success comes from 8th >>> house. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, i agree analytical skills comes from 5th; Jupiter has >>>>> bigger >>>>>>>>> role too - but it is venus, who too is great in terms of > more >>>>>>>>> secretive skills (even compared to guru). 2nd house is > speech >>>>>>>>> too...guru in 8th blesses native for positive predictions; > and >>>>>>> saturn >>>>>>>>> in 8th for negative predictions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Analytical skills are good enough, only until learning >>>>>>>>> astrology..for prediction - it is delivery of reading !!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then > wouldn't >>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little while. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:21 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Boss, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Apne ko kisko astrologer banana hai ? Bana do- usko-agar >>>>>>>>>>> sach bolta hai jab mooh kholta hai. Kya karna hai 8th > house >>>>>>>>>>> or 5th or analytical skills ko ? Is Forum mein toh aise >>>>>>>>>>> bhi kitne members hain jo predict karte hain? ek aur sahi. >>>>>>>>>>> Senior logon ka kaam bach jayega toh hum unko paas jaake >>>>>>>>>>> seekhenge unke spare time mein unke charnon mein baithkar. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> By the way if You know Shri Sanjay Rathiji personally then >>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>> ask him is comments on 5th house and Jupiters aspect on > same >>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> prediction purpose. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I do not know really know how come 8th Lord will figure in >>>>>>> giving >>>>>>>>>>> good predictions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>>>>>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> sir >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> correct prediction can be given, even without knowing >>>>>>> astrology - >>>>>>>>>>> one needs very strong 8th house. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Successful astrologer will require good 8th house / > lords; >>>>> 5th >>>>>>>>>>> house can give good analytical skils - not necessarily > good >>>>>>>>> predictor. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then >>> wouldn't >>>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little > while. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:54 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For various Dashas rules have been given, which one to > use >>>>> as >>>>>>>>> per >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> strong planet in Horoscope. Vimsottary has been widely >>>>>>> accepted >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> fit in all cases mostly,the lack of knowledge of other >>>>> dashas >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> their utility for individual horoscopes may be one of > the >>>>>>>>> factores >>>>>>>>>>>>> for all of them not being used. We have to be thankful > to >>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> great people for having given us so many options to >>> choose. >>>>>>>>>>> Asregards >>>>>>>>>>>>> to question marks, we can question any thing on earth > and >>>>>>> above, >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tajmahal also can be commented by critics for certain >>> flaws >>>>> as >>>>>>>>> per >>>>>>>>>>>>> ones views and so can the Moon above too. >>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as the purpose is being solved and people are >>> being >>>>>>>>>>> helped to >>>>>>>>>>>>> lead better lives , I dont look for question marks. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Who has the time to stand and care or stare ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets do something constructive like the little squirrel >>>>>>> helping >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Rama built a bridge on his great Mission. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In dasha system - except Vimshottari - not necessarily >>> all >>>>>>>>>>> planets >>>>>>>>>>>>> are considered !!! Application of Vimshottari dasha is >>> also >>>>> a >>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>> question mark - and Parashar referred so many > conditional >>>>>>>>>>> dashas !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why can not we use them like western astrologers are >>> doing >>>>>>>>>>>>> (including aspects / progression etc). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then >>>>> wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little >>> while. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rajiventerprises@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KP System as You understand it, and as is commonly >>>>>>> understood >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seperate ,which is in fact not. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do we check the Dasha at time of birth ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By checking what Nakshatra Moon is in . Is it not ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suppose Moon is in Sagiitarius 8 degrees 28" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Nakshatra would be Moola, the Lord would be Ketu. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the person/child is born in Ketus Maha Dasha , Is > it >>>>>>> not ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would You check the antar Dasha. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check the Sub lord. What is it ? Jupiter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then You will write in Janmapatri Ketu Maha Dasha , >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Guru antar at childs birth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the Sub lord is nothing but......... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How to use this Sub Lord is the key to KP system . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a deviation from the Vedic system but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfecting a particular aspect by dedication. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should we be biased if someone has perfected it ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We should be respectful towards these great people > Shri >>> BV >>>>>>>>>>> Raman, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Sri KrishnaMurthy who have given us this > heritage . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KP is nothing but cream taken out from the same >>> milk..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just like Jaimini is nothing but again cream taken out >>>>> with >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diffrent flavour from the same milk...... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KP has no reference in vedas, neither will Shri Sanjay >>>>> Rath >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither does Shri BV Raman have, but these are > masters, >>> we >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following what they have understood from the Vedas >>> itself >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of air . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no harm in considering Pluto also for mass >>>>>>>>> destructions >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but pray tell me where would You put Pluto, Neptune > and >>>>>>>>> Herschel >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Dasha system and how many years would You allot > it ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - In , Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I remember, MC Jain - in his case studies has used >>> all >>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outer planets for mundane charts and for seeing >>> unnatural >>>>>>>>>>> deaths / >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fatal accidents / assasinations etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is wrong is considering, if it adds another >>>>> parameter >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jyotish. Are we not following KP sublord, which has no >>>>>>>>> reference >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vedas ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If patience is a virtue and ignorance is bliss, then >>>>>>> wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be grand if we all were dumb and could wait a little >>>>> while. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: ANGREJON KI NAKAL- PLUTO 18/8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ganesh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good post, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Veda vyasa in Maha Bharatha is said to have >>> discribed >>>>>>>>>>> Uranus, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neptune >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the precise point can be wored back words for > thos >>>>> who >>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to, thei >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> color, composition etc and said they have ni impact > on >>>>>>> human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affairs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this adds more weight to veda vyasa's > point.whichhe >>>>> said >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5000 yrs ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good attributes like Law n Order, Discipline, >>>>> commitment >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respectful hireaarchy etc, which can be copied > from >>>>>>> small >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from enemy or friends,from domestic or phoren is >>>>>>>>> acceptable >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too for ones progress, but what happens when one >>>>> copies >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matters >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where our Rishi Munis already have had their say > is >>>>> best >>>>>>>>>>> given >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASTRONOMERS - PLUTO is not a Planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A panel appointed by the International > Astronomical >>>>>>> Union >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a compromise to the years-long struggle over >>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to count Pluto as a Planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is felt that it would be better to expel Pluto >>> from >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planetary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranks altogether since it is far smaller than what >>> it >>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought to be. Further its orbit is more eplitical >>> and >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tilted in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different plane than those of the other planets. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now the panel has come up with a new definition of >>> the >>>>>>>>> word >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any celestial body that orbits around a star and > is >>>>>>> large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its own gravity to pull into a spherical shape. >>> Pluto >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hence be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shunted into a new category called Plutons, which >>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>> include >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object that meets the definition of a planet and > has >>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>> orbit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neptunes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - The New York Times. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You may also check " The Guardian" which has an >>>>> article >>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on net.I dont have the link.The Guardian papers >>>>> comments >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong on this issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now In India when we have started using >>> Neptune,Pluto >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herschel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the foreigners started doing this, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again all these may have to be removed from Indias >>> top >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Astrological >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutions, I mean reference of Pluto and hope > in >>>>> time >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herschel and Neptune. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we had stuck to the 7+2 Planets before hand ,it >>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respectable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But its great to know that after thousands of > years >>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned in the Vedas, all is one by one,time to >>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discovered by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scientists. We cannot give this a name as >>>>> Inventions >>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people, just discoveries., because already it was >>>>>>>>> discovered >>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ancients. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prashantkumar G B >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, >>>>> mail >>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay >>> Pal >>>>> ID >>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09840051861 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next-gen email? 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