Kal Sarpa dosha- Astroresearch no 5--17/08

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Shree Gopalji,

Every now & then, i asked ur inputs, not any "secondary"

reading....i wanted ur contributions not any explanation of wut

others have told...i mailed u previously that which authority tells

that rahu & ketu controls the chart of the native, if he has born in

that Yoga???

U must have read BPHS, where u must have come across that Rahu &

Ketu cannot give results of their own...

Thanq

With Humbleness,

Wish u all success,

 

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vedic astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

> It is a nice discussion on following yogas:

> 1.Kala-sarpa yoga ,this is formed when all the seven planets are

in between

> Ketu and Rahu.There are 12 types of these yogas. Our fellow

Friends have given their classification as well as remedies. The

following are sub-classes when bad effects of this yoga is

considerably watered-down ( but bad effeccts do not vanish

completely - like in the case of Pt. Nehru.His family life was

completely ruined and he was in British jails for over 10 years-

that too in his youth.Lata mungeskar could not marry and does not

have any progeny. Similarly one may examine horoscopes of other big

persons in real objective way to ascertain bad effects of this yoga):

> A. When Lagna is out side KSY axis. In this case if Lagna and

its lord is strong the evil generated by this yoga is considerable

mitigated other wise the native will suffer.

> B.If one planet with either Rahu or Ketu. This planet is the

lord of angular or trinal houses , ultimately KSY will prove

rewarding. IF this planet is lord of trik

> houses , KSY may ruin the native.

> C. If one or two planets are out side the R/K axis , these

planets will control the KSY .

> 2 Kala- Amirita yoga is formed when all planets in between Rahu

and ketu.

> The effects of this yoga is similar like KSY , BUT the native

will be free from the prangs of this yoga in between the age of 42

to 48 years and may even rise to higher position and status if other

power -full yogas are present as in the case of Pt. Nehru.

> 3.Sarpa(Bhujang ) yoga - This is a nabhas yoga and rahu and ketu

are not considered in it . If three Malefics Mars,Saturn and Sun are

placed in 4th,7th and 10 th houses from Lagna (without association

of any benefic) ,only then this yoga is formed.This is a very rear

yoga.I have not come across this yoga in any nativity so far.

> 4.SARPA YOGA- IN this Rahu and ketu are included. This yoga can

be formed when R/K axis falls in 4th and 10th houses and atleast

one malefic is

> in seventh house.If no benefic influence comes on angular

houses ,even

> kings becomes beggars or big and influential politicians will be

rejected by people(study the case of Arjun singh).

> Rahu and Ketu always controles the full horoscope AND these

Yogas depicts their power to harm.

> Regards,

> G.K.GOEL

>

> swamiomkar <swamiomkar wrote:

> Dear Suri allam ,

>

> I am very happy to see your posting about KSY.

>

> i have some basic questions. when all planets between rahu/kethu

> axis then that planet combination remains same for 13days. so all

> born in 13 days have KSY or KSD?

> (WHO)world health organization's Statstic report said 4 child

> birth / per min in world. so perday 5760 child birth.(1440 X4) and

> for 13days 74880 birth. for all 74880 child wil be get same KSY?

>

> pls explain your view.

>

> Swami Omkar

>

> vedic astrology, Suri allam <ianianala@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Om Sri gurave Namah!

> > Dear Members,

> > Yes, Let us discuss, what exactle KSY/KAS are.

> > What is Kaalsarp?

> >

> > View I- When all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu

> (i.e., the moon's north node and the moon's south node), Kaalsarp

> Yoga is formed. Complete Kaalsarp Yoga is formed only when half of

> the chart is unoccupied by planets. Even if one planet is outside

> the Rahu-Ketu Axis, there is no Kaalsarp Yoga.

> > Before you do any remedies for the Kaalsarp Yoga, make sure that

> all planets are between Rahu and Ketu. Even if there is one planet

> outside the Rahu-Ketu axis the Kaalsarp Yoga does not exist.

> > The Kaalsarp Yoga is not always bad. It has the power to confer

> gains too.All planets must be hemmed between Rahu and Ketu.Even if

> one planet is outside the Rahu Ketu axis there is no Kaalsarp

> Yoga.Rahu is the moon's north node. Ketu is the moon's south node.

> > View II- A lot has been read, said and discussed about the

> Kalsarpa Yoga. This yoga, and please notice the choice of words -

it

> is a yoga and _not_ a dosha, is caused when all the planets are

> hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. The figure on the side illustrates

> this point. If a person has Kalsarpa yoga in his kundali, Rahu and

> Ketu are said to limit the potential of the chart and not allow

> other important yogas to take effect. In practice, it is observed

> that this role of Rahu and Ketu diminishes over time and good

things

> are just delayed for such people. Again, noted Astrologer

> Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the

other

> axis while all the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis,

then

> the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised.

> > This is just a commentary on what I have learnt about Kalsarpa

> yoga over the years. My advice to the readers is not to take this

> yoga too seriously and go on with the life. Research shows that

this

> yoga was not a part of classical texts written by great sages like

> Parashara, Bhrigu etc. but gained importance later.

> >

> >

> > View I-Type of Kaalsarp Yoga

> > When Rahu is in the first House and Ketu in the seventh house

> and the rest of the planets are to the left of this axis the Yoga

> which arises is the Anant Kalsarp Yoga. This is also called as

> Vipareeta Kaalsarp yoga opposite Kaalsarp Yoga. Though this yoga

has

> the power to give windfall gains to the native, it is bad for

> marital life. Generally natives with this yoga get married late in

> life .

> > View II - Types of Kalsarpa Yoga

> > There are 12 types of Kalsarpa Yoga. Kal Amrita Yoga is not a

> seperate yoga.

> > View I- Anant Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in Lagna, Ketu in seventh

> house: The person is prone to be target of conspiracies hatched by

> people supposedly close to him. The person is likely to lose out

in

> matters of courts. Married life would be marred by differences

> between husband and wife.

> >

> > View I - Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga

> > When Rahu occupies the second house and Ketu the eighth house

> Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga arises. This combination is bad for health.

The

> probability of losses and accidents is high with natives of this

> combination. This is bad for financial prosperity too. The native

is

> worried on account of an insecure financial standing.

> > View II-Kulika Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in second house, Ketu in

> eighth: This combination is not good for the person's health.

> Expenses would be more then the income and the financial situation

> would remain fairly mediocre. He has to struggle a lot in life to

> achieve something.

> >

> > View I- Vasuki Kaalsarp Yoga

> > When Rahu occupies the third house and Ketu the ninth house and

> the rest of the planets are located to the left of the Rahu Ketu

> axis, this yoga is born. The native is burdened with problems

> relating to job and business.

> > View II - Vasuki Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in third house, Ketu in

> ninth: The person would have trouble dealing with his brothers and

> friends. Travel to foreign countries would create problems. The

> person having this combination in his chart should take

precautions

> in deals by paying extra attention towards legal documentation.

> >

> > View I -Shankpal Kaalsarp Yoga

> > When Rahu occupies the 4th house and Ketu the 10th this yoga is

> formed. The native gets trouble relating to work sphere and has to

> go through stress and anxiety. Sometimes the native has an

> illegitimate child, or can be an illegitimate child. However this

> yoga also has the power of conferring high political success and

> windfall gains.

> > View II- Shankapal Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fourth house, Ketu in

> tenth: The person with this combination would never be satisfied

> with his financial situation and would always strive for more. The

> person is prone to troubles relating to immovable property - e.g.

> land, houses and modes of conveyance - e.g. cars

> > View I -Padam Kaalsarp Yoga

> > When Rahu occupies the fifth house and Ketu the eleventh house

> this Yoga is formed. The native is worried on account of children.

> There is difficulty in getting a progeny. If the moon is also

> afflicted then there is the possibility of being troubled by

> spirits. In this case if a native falls ill the recovery time is

> slow. There are also chances of being let down by friends in this

> case.

> > View II- Padma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in fifth house, Ketu in

> eleventh: The person would have trouble with children. The person

> should never try his luck in lottery, share markets, and anything

> where speculation is involved

> > View I -Mahapadam Kaalsarp Yoga

> > This yoga is formed when Rahu is in the 6th house and Ketu is in

> the twelfth house. The native has many enemies and has problems on

> account of diseases. However, if this yoga acts beneficially, it

has

> the power to confer power and political success.

> > View II-Mahapadma Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in sixth house, Ketu in

> twelfth: The person would not do well in relationships and would

> have a very pessimistic view of life.

> >

> > View I- Takshak Kaalsarp Yoga

> > When Rahu is in the seventh house and Ketu in the first house

> this yoga is formed. The native has speculative tendencies and can

> lose wealth by way of wine, women and gambling. There is marital

> discord in the life of the native.

> > View II - Takshak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in seventh house, Ketu in

> first: There is a need for the person to be extra careful in

matter

> relating to married life and business partnerships.

> >

> > View I- Karkotak Kaalsarp Yoga

> > When Rahu occupies the eighth house and Ketu the second house

> this yoga is formed. The native is short tempered and has many

> enemies. Such a native has friendship with anti-social elements.

The

> native does not get paternal wealth.

> > View II - Karkotik Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eighth house, Ketu in

> second: The person does not benefit from any paternal property.

> There would be a lot of trust issues between the person and his

> friends. This combination is not good for health and Rahu being in

> eighth house is usually not considered good as it indicates a

sudden

> and violent death.

> > View I- Shankachood Kaalsarp Yoga

> > When Rahu occupies the ninth house and Ketu is in the 3rd house

> this yoga operates. Natives who have this yoga in the chart have

> many ups and down in life. They have a habit of speaking lies.

They

> are also short tempered.

> > View II -Shankhnaad Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in ninth house, Ketu in

> third: This combination indicates problems from higher

authorities,

> government of the day and local administration in the field of

> business and commerce.

> > View I- Ghatak Kaalsarp Yoga

> > This yoga arises when Rahu is in tenth house and Ketu in the

> fourth house. Litigation problems are common is this case.

> Punishment by law or the Government also possible. However if this

> yoga operates in a beneficial manner then it has the power to

confer

> the highest form of political power, especially in Virgo and Leo

> ascendant.

> > View II- Paatak Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in tenth house, Ketu in

> fourth: Rahu being in tenth house indicates problem in employment

> and higher authorities whom the person would report to during

> his/her job.

> >

> >

> > View I -Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga

> > When Rahu occupies the eleventh house and Ketu the fifth house

> the yoga which arises is the Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga. The native

> travels frequently and is never fixed at one place. Problems also

> arise from children. However these natives get some peace in the

> latter half of their life.

> > View II -Vishakt Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in eleventh house, Ketu in

> fifth: This combination indicates a lot of problems between the

> person and his elder brother. The person would also remain away

from

> his native place throughout his life. The person would be prone to

> problems like heart trouble, insomnia etc.

> >

> > View I- Sheshnag Kaalsarp Yoga

> > When Rahu occupies the twelfth house and Ketu the 6th house this

> yoga arises. The native has problems relating to litigation. There

> are many enemies and health problems.

> > View II- Sheshnag Kalsarpa Yoga - Rahu in twelfth house, Ketu in

> sixth: The person would be prone to problems from people whom he

> does not know - mysterious enemies.

> > Remedies: View II

> >

> >

> > 1. Pray to Lord Shiva in His Maharudra avatar on Mondays.

> Rudrashatakam written by Goswami Tulasidas in Ramacharit Manas

> should be chanted regularly.

> > 2.Wear a gomed, about two and a half carets in size in the

> little finger.

> > 3. Wear a special ring, shaped like a serpent with a small Gomed

> at the head and a Vaidurya (lahsuniya) at the tail. This ring is

to

> be worn in the middle finger.

> > 4. A pooja at Trayambkeshwara Temple about 40 kms from the city

> of Nasik in Maharashtra is suggested.

> >

> > ViewIII- This gives descriptions about various planets if

> outside Rahu- Ketu axis,and there benefit and the important point

is

> native with KSY and one planet outside meets with sudden and

> unexpected changes in his/her life.

> >

> > Kal Amrita Yoga- If exists, best example is chart of India,

> taken from August 15, 1947, 12.00 AM, New Delhi, India.

> >

> > One lesson by Shri P.V.R.Narshima Rao garu, there is a talk

> about these yogas.

> >

> > More than this info not available with me.

> >

> > I am searching for chart of prominent people with complete KSY.

> ( including in file section of this forum)

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Om Namah Shivai,

> >

> > SPI

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > sushmagupta51 <sushmagupta51@> wrote:

> > Hello friends,

> >

> > This seems like a very intersting/controversial discussion, and

> very

> > informative too. Out of the horoscopes that have been listed

below:

> >

> > 1) some have KSY and others have KAY.

> > 2) There is a dictum - that KSY/KAY is broken by planets in

Lagna

> or

> > conjoining Rahu or Ketu. If it happens it results in a Maha Yoga

> > which can take the native to unbelievable heights.

> >

> > Keeping this in mind, now look at all the horoscopes listed

again.

> > e.g.- Nehru, has Jupiter and Moon breaking the KAY. Once that

> > happened he reached great heights! similarly apply the dictum to

> > other horoscopes.

> >

> > Instead of debating Lets take a constructive approach -

> > 1) list the negatives of the KSY/KAY yoga

> > 2) look at the horoscopes of natives with KSY/KAY and analyze

and

> > contrast both (1) with (2)

> >

> > Let me know if that sounds good to members of the forum?

> >

> > Warm regards,

> > Pranav

> >

> > vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > You could be right. My point is that it remains a hypothesis

> > > (like those who claim KSY is bad) until it is proven

> > > conclusively with proper data points.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > See that I have written about full / partial KSY as people

are

> > > > using it too. Read the book referred to or ask the proponents

> > > > of so called KSY to predict before hand. Then, think

> > > > judiciously, how a yoga that stays there for about 14 -15

days

> > > > (100% as per your definition) be of any significance. Combine

> > > > it with the fact that no classical reference is found for the

> > > > so called KSY.

> > > >

> > > > P.Kumar

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:28 PM

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > > > Astroresearch no 5

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kumarji,

> > > >

> > > > With due respects to what you said, I checked out all the

> > > > horscopes that you listed for KSY. Unfortunately, I did not

> > > > find

> > > > a single chart having KSY. My observation is as follows:

> > > >

> > > > - Lata Mangeshkar: Sani is outside

> > > > - Margaret Thatcher: Lagna is outside

> > > > - Nehru: Guru is outside in terms of degrees

> > > > - Guru Nanak: Chandra and Sani are outside

> > > > - Morarji Desai: Lagna and Guru are outside

> > > > - Akbar the Great: Moon is outside

> > > > - Ariel Sharon: (here Rahu & Ketu are exalted and Sani is

> > > > Yogakaraka aspecting Rahu). This is considered as Kala

> > > > Amrita

> > > > Yoga (KAY) which is supposed to give positive results as

> > > > planets

> > > > are between Ketu and Rahu.

> > > >

> > > > I guess we should look at charts that are 100% compliant

> > > > (even

> > > > in terms of degrees) to come to any conclusion.

> > > >

> > > > Let us look for such charts and analyse them and come to a

> > > > conclusion. I too believe in looking at emperical data

> > > > before

> > > > accepting or rejecting any theory given the texts or

> > > > anything

> > > > proposed by anyone.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > --- "P.Kumar" <pkumar24@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > For an enlightened discussion on the subject, read the

> > > > book

> > > > > 'Kaal Sarpa Yoga : Why Such Fright ?' by veteran

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > Shri K.N.Rao. See what he says. Many prime-ministers,

> > > > > presidents and other celebrities have / had this yoga in

> > > > their

> > > > > charts. Best thing to judge any principles is to apply

> > > > sound

> > > > > common sense and see empirical results. Now apply sound

> > > > common

> > > > > sense to following facts:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) So called full KSY (Kaal Sarpa Yoga) will stay for

> > > > almost

> > > > > 14 days all over the world till the Moon comes out of the

> > > > > axis. Do you feel that millions of persons born during

> > > > this

> > > > > period of 14 days all over the world will lead a miserable

> > > > > life ?

> > > > > 2) Supporters of so called KSY include even partial KSY

> > > > (when

> > > > > one planet is outside the Rahu-Ketu axis) and held it

> > > > > responsible for bad results. This KSY will stay longer,

> > > > say

> > > > > even for many months. Does it not appear absurd ?

> > > > Remember,

> > > > > subtleties are most important in astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now see empirical results. See that Pt. Nehru , Morarji

> > > > > Desai,Rajneesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Margaret Thatcher, Akbar

> > > > the

> > > > > Great, Ariel Sharon, Atal Behari Vajpai, Guru Nanak and

> > > > many

> > > > > -many others had a full / partial KSY and led a glorious

> > > > and

> > > > > prosperous life, at least much better than billions of

> > > > > unnoticed human beings without any so called Kaal Sarpa

> > > > Yoga

> > > > > in their horoscopes. Now decide yourself.

> > > > >

> > > > > P.Kumar

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Suri allam

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Kal Sarpa dosha-

> > > > > Astroresearch no 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om gurave namah!

> > > > > Dear kandpall jee,

> > > > > I agree with you, exploiting people in the name or

> > > > maladies

> > > > > and remedies is bad but it the main property of kalyuga.

> > > > how

> > > > > to prove that it is there or not.

> > > > > I think some true data will do?

> > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > > > SPI

> > > > > Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont see anything like Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita yoga/dosha

> > > > > etc.

> > > > > mentioned in any of the astrology classics if you have

> > > > > something

> > > > > please do share.

> > > > >

> > > > > In any case, Maharshi Parasara has a mention of Sarpa Yoga

> > > > > that

> > > > > occurs when three angles are occupied by malefics wherein

> > > > > Rahu-Ketu

> > > > > are not included in the same. For this, puja of the Naga

> > > > > Devata is

> > > > > prescribed with other methods etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as my experience goes, I have seen few charts with

> > > > > such yogas

> > > > > where the people belong to prosperous families or do have

> > > > > prosperity

> > > > > of their own.

> > > > >

> > > > > This myth about Kala Sarpa yoga has come in a few years

> > > > back

> > > > > and a

> > > > > number of people have been making money out of this by

> > > > > creating fear

> > > > > in people's mind.

> > > > >

> > > > > As responsible people and learners we should try to wipe

> > > > out

> > > > > such

> > > > > myths rather than proliferating these.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Prakash Kandpal

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > > > <gkgoel1937@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > We are not in agreement with Mr. Gaurav that there is no

> > > > > such

> > > > > thing like Kala-

> > > > > > srapa or Kala-amrita yogas.

> > > > > > If all the planets will be on one side of Rahu/Ketu axis

> > > > > it is

> > > > > bound to have some good or bad effects.

> > > > > > That is all about these yogas.

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suri allam <ianianala@> wrote:

> > > > > > Om gurave Namah!

> > > > > > Dear gaurav jee,

> > > > > > kindly can you share with us what research you did and

> > > > how

> > > > > you

> > > > > concluded that there is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> > > > > > I am interested in your research approach and

> > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > Om Namah Shivai!

> > > > > > SPI

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <gg_0202@> wrote:

> > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > > > Dear Anilji,

> > > > > > There is no such thing like Kal Sarpa Yoga. I have done

> > > > a

> > > > > research

> > > > > > on this topic.U can download this from my website:-

> > > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com/articles.html

> > > > > > I hope this helps,

> > > > > > Thanq,

> > > > > > With Humbleness,

> > > > > > Wish u all success,

> > > > > >

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