RE: BIRTH TIME DIFFERENCE ?17/8 matching

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Prafulla,

these r 2 seperate faces of the issue that some repaired matchign is possible as allowed in their destiny

BUT as u said it is more used by commercial astrologers who cater to a makrjet I said that earlier who match, balance sheet of the couple and not their true chart worth how many will do it if the Girl is a PG will they allow their groom to be a UG no they want a PG if nto a Phd or double PG, good car, banglows, it s when such things come in that comercial astros also play their part not otherwise.

here too there are good astros who don;t do such things an ddo match on merrit and tell the parents what they feel. many don't listen some do, those who do will benifit rest as destined suffer.

if u reply to thi can give u examples.

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Bhaskar ji

So prima facie factor is repairability of destiny !! How to determine this?

If destiny is repairable (as you stated) - things are manageable, even if chart is not matched. Vice versa is also true, as per you.

So, firstly - we must read repairability of destiny and then opt for compatibility test (if required!!).

Sir, I still repeat - marital compatibility tests are practised more by commercial astrologers from revenue perspective. Whether, it guarantees successful marriage or not is something, where I requested an answer..not Ifs and Buts. I have seen atleast 50 sample charts, where astrologers claimed that they have things not matching to requisite levels ..but they have reasonably successful marriage. Success of marriage is much more than compatibility tests. People need to understand each other and adjust to each other & circumstances.

regards / Prafulla Gang

To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you.

To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty

to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget.

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:35:39 -0000

>

> Re: BIRTH TIME DIFFERENCE ?

>

> Shri Prafullaji,

>

> I just entered few minutes back and wanted your mail to be replied

> last, because I have

> to think before replying to You. I mean really think, otherwise You

> will entangle me with

> my own statements.

>

> Your questions and my answers.

>

> (a) Is compatibility test a remedial measure !! ( b) Please check the

> statistics of the married couple - who have compatibility test done

> and married

> life is not that great. © So, my additional question - has it

> worked?

>

> Ans- a) Compatibility test is definitely a remedial measure just like

> we carry an umbrella before leaving home,

> and see that its raining, or may rain.

>

> b) Life is not great because they both must have not got a repairable

> destiny

> to make their lives happy after marriage, so as many compatibility

> tests they do,

> its not going to matter.

>

> c) It must have worked where we find that after compatibility tests

> done

> between few horoscopes the final match when got married are living

> happily .

> Thats what we can say when we see them living happily.We have

> no reason to think otherwise.

> .

> -------------------------

> -------------------------

> -----------

>

> BTW, more than 70% of marriages are failures - in terms of personal

> satisfactions (emotional, mental, physical, progeny issues etc). Do

> you feel

> that, those people have missed compatibility tests?

> Ans- A few of them must have missed compatibilty tests to

> repair their marriages. And for others it may not have been

> repairable

> so they never reached astrologers as such.

>

>

> -------------------------

> -------------------------

> ---------

>

>

> (a) if the native is destined to have a successful

> marriage- will he still require compatibility test (any technique).

> (b) And can it fail -if he happens to marry someone, with whom his

> chart compatibility fails.

>

> Ans- a) If he is destined to have a succesful marriage , he may

> still

> require a compatibility test so that if he finds another someone who

> is also

> destined to have a succesful marriage then their union can roar

> happily all the way.

>

> b) It will not fail if he marries someone with whom his

> compatibility chart fails,

> but the happiness destined for him may be reduced by his own undoing

> That would be a new or naveen karma for him.

>

> -------------------------

> -------------------------

> ---------

>

> I did not match compatibility; and on one ocassion - this was done by

> an

> astrologer friend (comptent one) - in recent years. It was not that

> great - but

> marriage has been reasonably successful on most parameters. What does

> it mean ??

> Ans- It means that You are among the lucky lot. So enjoy my dear. why

> spend time in making me answer Your hard questions ?

> -------------------------

> -------------------------

> -----------

>

> My comments-

> Destiny has a great role to play. But so Has Karma. Destiny may have

> given me a

> good business oppurtunity to shine in the Film world. I may not have

> taken the oppurtunity.

> I may have opted to some other profession. Whatever we cannot

> explain even after

> appropriate astrological remedial measures taken , can be put in

> Destiny or Fate,

> it is as simple as that.

> If by using astrology a person can change the total course of life,

> then astrologers would not

> be sitting here and giving free consultations. They would have so

> much public at their

> doors that every evening I would have had 2-3 men to take all cash

> received to deposit in Bank locker.

>

> Astrology can only be seen as a science to indicate, to forewarn, and

> of course also make

> changes wherever allowed, at the same time get ready for the incoming

> danger or bad

> influences to reduce them by appropriate remedial measures.

> For total changing of ones destiny You got to be Bhakta Prahlad or

> Prince Dhruva.

> Common people can only reduce the bad effects or get ready for it,

> but not totally negate it.

> If fmeasures are there to reduce, then why not ? But before that dont

> we need an astrologer to

> tell us ki Bhai yeh ho sakta hai, aapko tayaar rahna padega .

>

> Comments on marriages -

> If after watching a persons horoscope You come to conclusion that yeh

> aadmi ki

> marriage mein divorce nahin hoga but marriage mein happiness bhi

> nahin hogi.

> What will You do ? Will You advise him not to get married ? If he is

> my close relative

> then I will get married him to a girl whose horoscope shows success

> in her marriage.

> That way they both will get combined effects of each other so

> ultimate marriage may

> be okay, neither happy nor tragedy. You will now say that why are

> You spoiling that

> girls life by putting him to this man ? Then maybe I will reply You,

> dekho is admi ke

> paas paise bahut hai, joh ladki ki kundli mein nahin hai, aur is

> ladki ki kundli

> mein shaadi ka sukh hai joh is ladke ki kundli mein nahin hai., isi

> liye maine

> dono ko woh de diya joh unko jaroorat thi.

>

> It is like mixing up of fates in a joint family. Even if a person has

> Sadesathi at times

> he will not feel bad effects if he is living in joint family, Now the

> question is that the

> astrologer should be smart enough in mixing.

>

> This is where all the key of succesfull and succesful marriages as

> regards to

> astrologers, lies.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> In my observations:

>>

>> Another issue - most astrologers in india live on compatibility

> test and muhurta. It amounts to 70% + income of an astrologer (if we

> list out 1000 astrologers randomly); hence this issue was never

> commented to be not working !!! This is more of commercial reasons

> than jyotish reasons for its pursuance by jyotishis.

>>

>> I did not match compatibility; and on one ocassion - this was done

> by an astrologer friend (comptent one) - in recent years. It was not

> that great - but marriage has been reasonably successful on most

> parameters. What does it mean ??

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To

> never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity

> of life around you.

>>

>> To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty

>> to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate

> what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to

> watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never,

> to forget.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>> Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:25:27 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: BIRTH TIME DIFFERENCE ?

>>>

>>>

>>> Dear Prafullaji,

>>>

>>> A small example why marriage compatibility tests fail ?

>>> It also requires proper competency on our part.

>>> If a girls horoscope comes to me for marriage.

>>> I will take it to a astrologer who will first

>>> comment,

>>> "are bhai Yeh toh Aries Lagna hai, aur Mars baitha hai

>>> lagna mein, yeh ladki toh bilkul nahi chalegi aapko. Your life

> will

>>> become hell, she will try to control You all Your life. Aap doosri

>>> kundli lao koi doosari ladki ki.This is what most astrologers

>>> will do. Next week I find that this girl has been married to a

>>> guy next door and this girl was Aishwarya Rai.How come ?

>>> Had he checked the sublord of the ascendant he would have found

>>> that the sublord of the ascendant is Venus, then the whole picture

>>> changes. Same Lagna, same planet placement, but sublord

>>> Venus would make the whole story different. Now this

>>> girl though commanding would also possess Venusian qualities

>>> which would give some pacification and flexibility

>>> to her commanding nature, along with feminine traits ,

>>> which point would have been missed by the astrologer in question.

>>> Had the sublord been Sun then the astrolgers observations would

> have

>>> been too small, the girl would have been totally authoratarian.

>>>

>>> Same goes with 7th cusp etc. etc.

>>> Whenever we check the item in question say, children, property,

>>> Gains, then we treat the Cusp as Lagna and the sublord as the

>>> main pivot for giving results. Just like Moon is treated as

>>> main for normal Lagna and the Nakshatra lord becomes

>>> significator for the Dasha operating in ones life, same

>>> way check the diffrent cusps for giving the exact results

>>> of the query in question.

>>>

>>> Nowadays many astrolgers who are open to such researches without

> any

>>> bias have proved the efficiency of such sytems in the cause

>>> of deciding good or bad, and the whole impact in a nutshell is

>>> different than what looks apparently.

>>>

>>> But the arguments can also be put on the other side of the wall ?

> How

>>> can one prove that the happy marriages are working because of

> destiny

>>> and not because they have done compatibility tests ?

>>>

>>> Some thoughts to ponder upon ?

>>>

>>> Aise issues aap khade kar diya karo. Mujhe anand aata hai discuss

>>> karne mein, ek limit tak parantu.

>>>

>>> regards,

>>> Bhaskar.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>>>>

>>>> I am not arguing..You have read my question wrong. I made a very

>>> simple statement. and it has nothing to do with relevance of

>>> astrology. We all know that, jyotish works..that is why we are

> here

>>> on the forum.

>>>>

>>>> I rephrase it. Is compatibility test a remedial measure !! Please

>>> check the statistics of the married couple - who have

> compatibility

>>> test done and married life is not that great. So, my additional

>>> question - has it worked?

>>>>

>>>> BTW, more than 70% of marriages are failures - in terms of

> personal

>>> satisfactions (emotional, mental, physical, progeny issues etc).

> Do

>>> you feel that, those people have missed compatibility tests?

>>>>

>>>> Yes, I may tend to agree that - most failed marriages have

>>> compatibility issues. But vice versa is yet to be proven!!!

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To

>>> never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar

> disparity

>>> of life around you.

>>>>

>>>> To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty

>>>> to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate

>>> what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to

>>> watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never,

> never,

>>> to forget.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>> Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:47:24 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: BIRTH TIME DIFFERENCE ?

>>>>>

>>>>> I like Your English and enjoy reading Your posts.

>>>>> You also like to argue, and I like that.

>>>>> The answer to Your argument contains in Your approach to the

>>> issue.

>>>>>

>>>>> a) Those who are happily married after having compatibility

> tests

>>>>> done, would You call it as destiny, or due to astrologers

>>> capability

>>>>> of doing a good job ?

>>>>>

>>>>> b) Those who are unhappily married after having compatibility

>>> tests

>>>>> done,would You call it as destiny,or due to astrologers

>>> incapability

>>>>> to do a good job ?

>>>>>

>>>>> If You think that an astrologer has no job in the above in

>>>>> either harming (Which You have accepted in remedies),or

>>>>> in making good the above cases, then astrology is not the right

>>>>> subject for us to persue.

>>>>>

>>>>> Now,

>>>>> a)In most of the cases where the destiny is irreperable and the

>>>>> native has to suffer, he may not have a janma kundli, or will

> not

>>>>> come out of the cupboard at the time of marriage, or even

>>>>> if it come out may not be shown to a good astrologer, or even if

>>>>> shown to a good astrologer, he may not be in a proper mood and

>>> make

>>>>> mistakes in seeing the Kundli etc..

>>>>>

>>>>> b) Where the destiny is repairable,and mistake is made by

>>>>> going to a wrong astrologer ,You may call it destiny, I

>>>>> would call it astrologers mistake , but at the same time

>>>>> your destiny may rectify that marriage by a divorce to

>>>>> the first marriage and a happy one to the second.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> See if I know my liver is bad or weak as my Kundli if my Jup

>>>>> is afflicted , then whose mistake if I am drinking one quarter

>>>>> whisky daily ?

>>>>>

>>>>> See if I know my time is good for making money and if I sit at

>>> home

>>>>> and just enjoy resting on the bed watching TV, for that dasha

> and

>>>>> waste time, then whose fault is it ? I should be making hay

> while

>>>>> Sun shines which I am not.

>>>>>

>>>>> But in both cases (Whisky and watching TV)who is the person to

>>> give

>>>>> me knowledge that my liver is bad or time is good ?

>>>>> Undoubtedly the astrologer . Isnt it ?

>>>>> Therefore and hence the astrolgers seriousness of watching a

> chart

>>>>> and predicting properly, does have a say very much, in

> deliverance

>>>>> of actions on part of the native.

>>>>>

>>>>> regards,

>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> As a post event issue, it may be a factor to define as to why

> did

>>>>> this happen? But has anyone been able to avoid the disaster or

>>> could

>>>>> bring domestic / marital happiness - by having marriage through

>>>>> compatibility tests (if one is not destined !!!). I am eagerly

>>>>> listening.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance.

> To

>>>>> never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar

>>> disparity

>>>>> of life around you.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty

>>>>>> to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or

> complicate

>>>>> what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to

>>>>> watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never,

>>> never,

>>>>> to forget.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>> Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:50:21 -0000

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Re: BIRTH TIME DIFFERENCE ?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Chart compatibility is a serious issue which many advisors

>>>>>>> neither take seriously nor take pains nor want to understand

> the

>>>>>>> gravity of. Many families have been wrecked and those who have

>>> not

>>>>>>> divorced are living a hell life, because their charts have not

>>>>> been

>>>>>>> checked properly before marriage. Now that is another way to

>>> save

>>>>>>> face that, they were destined to live like that only,so when

> can

>>>>> be

>>>>>>> do. This explanation does not hold true in all cases. Just

> Guna,

>>>>>>> Nadi dosha etc. or points checking is not going to help in

>>>>> solitary,

>>>>>>> it hs to be supplemented- we have also to check whether the

> boy

>>>>> (If

>>>>>>> Girl wants to marry) is having a good Dasha coming in life

> after

>>>>>>> marriage, finance sectors, whether he is capable of sustaining

>>> the

>>>>>>> daily expenditures, and also health factors apart from other

>>>>> ones ,

>>>>>>> in a boys horoscope.,before giving our verdict.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish"

>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> VERY TRUE.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> regards,

>>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Domestic life has increasingly become challenge for

>>> professional

>>>>>>>> stress and so on, for current generations. The chart

>>>>> compatibility

>>>>>>>> issue, I never explored - even for myself.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Lagna lord in 7th,even in enemy sign - does not harm it; for

>>>>>>>> marital issues - watch for 7th house, 8th house, 2nd house,

> 7th

>>>>>>> from

>>>>>>>> venus, UL, navamsha lagna, 7th in D9, 2nd from UL; venus for

>>> man

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> mars for female nativity.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Witch, n. (1) An ugly and repulsive old woman, in a wicked

>>>>> league

>>>>>>>> with the devil. (2) A beautiful and attractive young woman,

> in

>>>>>>>> wickedness a league beyond the devil.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>>>> Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:36:00 -0000

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Re: BIRTH TIME DIFFERENCE ?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Good one. Even tuning of one wife or ones wife is a great

>>>>> thing,

>>>>>>>>>> forget wives.

>>>>>>>>>> Great are those people who have a loving wife,who is

> waiting

>>>>>>>>>> sweetly at the door, at the end of the day waiting for her

>>> man,

>>>>>>>>>> with a sweet smile on the face, and a sweet word, even if

> the

>>>>>>>>>> man brings home only Rs. 50-

>>>>>>>>>> A person whose wife always has good words and praise for

> her

>>>>>>>>>> husband in his front or behind his back, can be considered

> a

>>>>>>> real

>>>>>>>>>> succesful man,I could say in this world, though he may not

>>> have

>>>>>>>>>> enough in the wordly sense.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Ya.now to reply to You, wife can agree...wives cannot.

>>>>>>>>>> Bhai abhi tak try nahi kiya hai, aapke sentence ke latter

>>>>>>>>>> part ko,. Mauka nahi mila. Kuch experience hai to bataiye.

>>>>>>>>>> Seekhenge aap se.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> regards,

>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, wife can agree..not wives. So why have wives, be

> happy

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>> wife.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Witch, n. (1) An ugly and repulsive old woman, in a wicked

>>>>>>> league

>>>>>>>>>> with the devil. (2) A beautiful and attractive young woman,

>>> in

>>>>>>>>>> wickedness a league beyond the devil.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>>>>>> Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:13:11 -0000

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: BIRTH TIME DIFFERENCE ?

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> YEAH.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Fine tuning is required.

>>>>>>>>>>>> I know to do for Charts bit wives .......?

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> , "jaibabedi2004"

>>>>>>>>>>>> <jaibabedi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> WATCHES AND WIVES NEVER AGREE.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In

> , "bhaskar_jyotish"

>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yesterday I had met one Guru . In his words.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Go to any Titan Shop selling watches, You will find

>>>>>>>> difference

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> timings in most of the watches. Check Your own house.

>>>>>>> Computer

>>>>>>>>>>>>> will

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show different time, Your mobile will show different

>>> time,

>>>>>>>> Your

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wall clock will show different time, your wrist watch

>>> will

>>>>>>>> show

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different time. So how can You expect that for every

>>> birth

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> time

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noted would be perfect ?"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In most cases where precesion or accuracy is required

>>> while

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing sensitive issues, a wrong birth time is

> going

>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> create

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdles for delieantion of results and predictions

> given

>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> client

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may not match,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulting in bad name to astrologer and the science

>>> itself.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore it is always better to verify the birth time

>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ascendant degrees or cuspal degress whichever Bhava

>>>>>>>> question

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and answer we are looking for.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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