Non-jyotish, but an inspiring piece - it applies to Jyotish as well

August 15, 2006

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new students to stand and .....

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student: Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?

Student: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful ?

Student: Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

Student is silent.

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good?

Student: Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student: No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

Student: From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student: Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?

Student: Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?

Student does not answer.

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student: Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?

Student has no answer.

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

Student:No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

Student: No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student:You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof:Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class is in uproar.)

Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol,science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive. . . . . . .

THAT STUDENT WAS . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam, now the President of India

August 15, 2006

Shailesh

Its really fentastic information. Thanks to you for posting.

Regards

Sridhar

vedic astrology, "Shailesh C Chadha"

<scchadha wrote:

>

> An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the

problem science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new

students to stand and .....

>

> Prof: So you believe in God?

> Student: Absolutely, sir.

>

> Prof: Is God good?

> Student: Sure.

>

> Prof: Is God all-powerful ?

> Student: Yes.

>

> Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to

heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But

God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

> Student is silent.

>

> Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow.

Is God good?

> Student: Yes.

>

> Prof: Is Satan good?

> Student: No.

>

> Prof: Where does Satan come from?

> Student: From...God...

>

> Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

> Student: Yes.

>

> Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.

Correct?

> Student: Yes.

>

> Prof: So who created evil?

> Student does not answer.

>

> Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these

terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

> Student: Yes, sir.

>

> Prof: So, who created them?

> Student has no answer.

>

> Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and

observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

> Student:No, sir.

>

> Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

> Student: No, sir.

>

> Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your

God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that

matter?

> Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

>

> Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

> Student: Yes.

>

> Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,

science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

> Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

>

> Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

>

> Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

> Prof: Yes.

>

> Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

> Prof: Yes.

>

> Student: No sir. There isn't.

> (The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

>

> Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat,

superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we

don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero

which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is

no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the

absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not

the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

> (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

>

> Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as

darkness?

> Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

>

> Student:You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of

something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,

flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have

nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness

isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker,

wouldn't you?

> Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

>

> Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

> Prof:Flawed? Can you explain how?

>

> Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue

there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You

are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can

measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses

electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully

understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to

be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive

thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.

Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved

from a monkey?

> Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process,

yes, of course, I do.

>

> Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

> (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize

where the argument is going.)

>

> Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution

at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going

endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a

scientist but a preacher?

> (The class is in uproar.)

>

> Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the

Professor's brain?

> (The class breaks out into laughter.)

>

> Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's

brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so.

So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,

demonstrable protocol,science says that you have no brain, sir. With

all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

> (The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face

unfathomable.)

> Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

>

> Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH.

That is all that keeps things moving & alive. . . . . . .

>

> THAT STUDENT WAS . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

>

> Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam, now the President of India

>

August 15, 2006

Great Shailesh,

Good efforts to enlighten the today's world.

Keep it up !!!!!

Wish you a happy independence day and a very very happy & rejuvinating Shri

Krishna Janamastami.

with cheers

Shree Shyam

On 8/15/06, Shailesh C Chadha <scchadha > wrote:

>

> An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem

> science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new students to stand

> and .....

>

> Prof: So you believe in God?

> Student: Absolutely, sir.

>

> Prof: Is God good?

> Student: Sure.

>

> Prof: Is God all-powerful ?

> Student: Yes.

>

> Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him.

> Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is

> this God good then? Hmm?

> Student is silent.

>

> Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God

> good?

> Student: Yes.

>

> Prof: Is Satan good?

> Student: No.

>

> Prof: Where does Satan come from?

> Student: From...God...

>

> Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

> Student: Yes.

>

> Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?

> Student: Yes.

>

> Prof: So who created evil?

> Student does not answer.

>

> Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible

> things exist in the world, don't they?

> Student: Yes, sir.

>

> Prof: So, who created them?

> Student has no answer.

>

> Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the

> world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

> Student:No, sir.

>

> Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

> Student: No, sir.

>

> Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have

> you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

> Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

>

> Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

> Student: Yes.

>

> Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science

> says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

> Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

>

> Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

>

> Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

> Prof: Yes.

>

> Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

> Prof: Yes.

>

> Student: No sir. There isn't.

> (The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

>

> Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega

> heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything

> called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we

> can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is

> only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.

> Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of

> it.

> (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

>

> Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as

> darkness?

> Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

>

> Student:You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You

> can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you

> have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't

> it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make

> darkness darker, wouldn't you?

> Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

>

> Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

> Prof:Flawed? Can you explain how?

>

> Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there

> is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing

> the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir,

> science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but

> has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the

> opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a

> substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of

> it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved

> from a monkey?

> Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of

> course, I do.

>

> Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

> (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where

> the argument is going.)

>

> Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work

> and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not

> teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

> (The class is in uproar.)

>

> Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's

> brain?

> (The class breaks out into laughter.)

>

> Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain,

> felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according

> to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol,science

> says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then

> trust your lectures, sir?

> (The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face

> unfathomable.)

> Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

>

> Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH. That is

> all that keeps things moving & alive. . . . . . .

>

> THAT STUDENT WAS . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

>

> Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam, now the President of India

>

August 15, 2006

Yes, I too had heard this story earlier, but don't remember the name of the student there.

P.Kumar

-

Panditji

vedic astrology

Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:29 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Non-jyotish, but an inspiring piece - it applies to Jyotish as well

Namaste,

I had heard the same anecdote with Eienstein as the student.

It is very fashinable to use big names and put some stories in theri name.

It seems unlikely that a scientist of A. kalam's or Eienstein's stature will

make such fundamental error as to the definition of heat and temperature. It

is a fundamental physics.

I would not be surprised if the same story is put out again with some other

famous individual taking the role of the student.

...