RE: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY ADVERTISEMENTS

[Guest guest]

I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them earning their professional fee through forum as well.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

>

> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>

> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

>

> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

> alongwith service.

> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

> where clients are already catered to by a self running

> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

>

> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

> website is good, and others should visit there,

> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

>

> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

>

> Regards,

> Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be enough and

let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids if they

are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then as

we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market place,

and create more frictions within the members as each will pounce on

every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in winning him

over.

Bhaskar.

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them earning

their professional fee through forum as well.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

> >

> > INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >

> > Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

> > Mang kar mile paani (Water)

> > Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

> >

> > Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

> > can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

> > and letting the customers come on their own there by the

> > power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

> > alongwith service.

> > By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

> > where clients are already catered to by a self running

> > organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

> > trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

> > which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

> > gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

> >

> > More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

> > websites and doing business there . holding multiple

> > e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

> > website is good, and others should visit there,

> > amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

> > when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

> >

> > This activity should be refrained and avoided.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Bhaskar.

>

[Guest guest]

Is any forum not a market place for any professional?

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

>

> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>

> The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

> nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be enough and

> let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids if they

> are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

> Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then as

> we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market place,

> and create more frictions within the members as each will pounce on

> every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in winning him

> over.

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

> advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them earning

> their professional fee through forum as well.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

>>>

>>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>

>>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

>>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

>>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

>>>

>>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

>>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

>>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

>>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

>>> alongwith service.

>>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

>>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

>>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

>>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

>>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

>>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

>>>

>>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

>>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

>>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

>>> website is good, and others should visit there,

>>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

>>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

>>>

>>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Bhaskar.

>>

[Guest guest]

I would advice to go by bhaskar jee. And let the performance of the astrologers make them earn and attract good clients. Advertisements should not be allowed at any cost. Lets also maintain the integrity of the astrology profession. We should not solicit and no competition should be developed.

May God Bless All

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

Is any forum not a market place for any professional?

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

>

> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>

> The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

> nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be enough and

> let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids if they

> are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

> Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then as

> we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market place,

> and create more frictions within the members as each will pounce on

> every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in winning him

> over.

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

> advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them earning

> their professional fee through forum as well.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

>>>

>>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>

>>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

>>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

>>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

>>>

>>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

>>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

>>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

>>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

>>> alongwith service.

>>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

>>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

>>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

>>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

>>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

>>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

>>>

>>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

>>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

>>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

>>> website is good, and others should visit there,

>>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

>>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

>>>

>>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Bhaskar.

>>

 

 

 

 

ACA Sumit Bajaj

Consultant

(Technical Analyst and Astrologer)

"Keep smiling and be positive with confidence"

Contact: +91-98300-84593

 

 

 

Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

[Guest guest]

Not necessarily. There must also be genuine feelings of seva bhava

IN FEW ASTROLGERS case otherwise they would not be giving free

predictions. A small percentage in the Bhava , in these same

astrologers would also want that some money should accrue, if

possible, but not compomising with the seva Bhava.

Nothing wrong in being commercial.

But should be done in a decent manner.

Money coming from the Forum would be welcome to all the

participating astrologers here.

But where is the proper suggestion to do this without creating any

ill feelings between each other?

What is the proper way when such suggestion is made, the remedy

if suggested would be advantage to us, why not ?

Money is welcome, any time, any day, any night too, any moment too,

but not after creating fights, ill feelings, zealousy, competetion,

ill will, or unnecessary small low level conversations,

between astrologers ,if unregulated commercial soliciting is done,

which would accrue, if proper supporting method is not advised.

 

I am ready to go commercial. How to go about in this Forum without

creating ill feelings please suggest.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Is any forum not a market place for any professional?

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

> >

> > Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >

> > The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

> > nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be enough and

> > let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids if

they

> > are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

> > Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then as

> > we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market

place,

> > and create more frictions within the members as each will pounce

on

> > every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in winning

him

> > over.

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

> > advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them

earning

> > their professional fee through forum as well.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

problem.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

> >>>

> >>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>

> >>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

> >>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

> >>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

> >>>

> >>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

> >>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

> >>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

> >>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

> >>> alongwith service.

> >>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

> >>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

> >>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

> >>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

> >>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

> >>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

> >>>

> >>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

> >>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

> >>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

> >>> website is good, and others should visit there,

> >>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

> >>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

> >>>

> >>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

> >>>

> >>> Regards,

> >>> Bhaskar.

> >>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sumit ji / Bhaskar ji,

 

I did not mention that market place means taking payment and selling. Market place also means promotion in knowledge industry. In knowledge driven business, where commercial practioners participate, they always solicit business through demonstration of their knowledge. Such exhibition of knowledge is also part of promotion / presale. Why to be hypocratic about it !! On the contrary, I am saying that, let this be explicitly permitted.

 

So, let us be clear. If commercial astrologer is participating, he will always use forum for generating business. If one is mixing seva bhav, then I may not tend to believe such masked statement. For me, any forum is market place for professional (doctor, lawyer, chartered accountant, astrologer etc)

 

Re advertisements, I mentioned that let moderator permit them.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

 

>

> sumitbajaj2000

> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:19:55 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>

> I would advice to go by bhaskar jee. And let the performance of the

> astrologers make them earn and attract good clients. Advertisements

> should not be allowed at any cost. Lets also maintain the integrity of

> the astrology profession. We should not solicit and no competition should

> be developed.

>

> May God Bless All

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

> Is any forum not a market place for any professional?

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting

> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

>>

>> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

>>

>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>

>> The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

>> nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be enough and

>> let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids if they

>> are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

>> Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then as

>> we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market place,

>> and create more frictions within the members as each will pounce on

>> every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in winning him

>> over.

>> Bhaskar.

>>

>>

>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

>> advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them earning

>> their professional fee through forum as well.

>>>

>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>

>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

>>>>

>>>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>>

>>>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

>>>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

>>>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

>>>>

>>>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

>>>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

>>>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

>>>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

>>>> alongwith service.

>>>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

>>>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

>>>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

>>>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

>>>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

>>>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

>>>>

>>>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

>>>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

>>>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

>>>> website is good, and others should visit there,

>>>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

>>>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

>>>>

>>>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>

>

>

>

>

>

> ACA Sumit Bajaj

> Consultant

> (Technical Analyst and Astrologer)

> "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence"

> Contact: +91-98300-84593

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Praffulji,

I dont think any problem should be there to "enjoy the business" if we get any from the forum. But forums are not made with the objective to invite the businessmen and generate business for themselves. I would be the happiest person if many people in this forum come to you for professional service. I will be happier that I am in a forum which consists of such great astrologers. But suppose you throw out a mail seeking client with advertisements or phrases like " Hey i am an astrologer with such and such competence and my such and such predictions have gone right" then i can say that 90% of the messages in the future will consist of those kind of advertisements only. And then we will lose the objective of creating a forum where people across the world would come to see genuine solution to their problem. As a chartered accountant i have learnt how my institute tries to keep the integrity of the profession. They cannot let me use any phrase or words which involves

solicitation of client. Infact lawyers also have the same rule prescribed by their authority and they cannot even have website as well. CAs though can have website but with limit under the guidelines set. So for astrology let us maintain integrity and be esteemed rather than asking for clients. USING the details such as web address, contact info etc in signatures will be really very decent exhibition of ones contact info etc. Morover i can also say lets also mention the fees u charge in the signature part if u want to. That can be good enough. But lets not throw out a mail that is only an advertisement. Else I would need to check the chart of the groupo when it was formed. It may not have longetivity i guess. Lets keep the group alive.

May God Bless All

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Sumit ji / Bhaskar ji,

 

I did not mention that market place means taking payment and selling. Market place also means promotion in knowledge industry. In knowledge driven business, where commercial practioners participate, they always solicit business through demonstration of their knowledge. Such exhibition of knowledge is also part of promotion / presale. Why to be hypocratic about it !! On the contrary, I am saying that, let this be explicitly permitted.

 

So, let us be clear. If commercial astrologer is participating, he will always use forum for generating business. If one is mixing seva bhav, then I may not tend to believe such masked statement. For me, any forum is market place for professional (doctor, lawyer, chartered accountant, astrologer etc)

 

Re advertisements, I mentioned that let moderator permit them.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

>

> sumitbajaj2000

> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:19:55 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>

> I would advice to go by bhaskar jee. And let the performance of the

> astrologers make them earn and attract good clients. Advertisements

> should not be allowed at any cost. Lets also maintain the integrity of

> the astrology profession. We should not solicit and no competition should

> be developed.

>

> May God Bless All

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

> Is any forum not a market place for any professional?

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting

> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

>>

>> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

>>

>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>

>> The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

>> nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be enough and

>> let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids if they

>> are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

>> Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then as

>> we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market place,

>> and create more frictions within the members as each will pounce on

>> every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in winning him

>> over.

>> Bhaskar.

>>

>>

>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

>> advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them earning

>> their professional fee through forum as well.

>>>

>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>

>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

>>>>

>>>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>>

>>>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

>>>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

>>>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

>>>>

>>>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

>>>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

>>>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

>>>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

>>>> alongwith service.

>>>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

>>>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

>>>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

>>>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

>>>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

>>>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

>>>>

>>>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

>>>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

>>>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

>>>> website is good, and others should visit there,

>>>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

>>>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

>>>>

>>>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>

>

>

>

>

>

> ACA Sumit Bajaj

> Consultant

> (Technical Analyst and Astrologer)

> "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence"

> Contact: +91-98300-84593

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shri Prafullaji,

 

I think what You had meant to say must be- this is a good place and

oppurtunity to place your skills and products and demonstration- for

marketing., eventually. there is no hypocrisy about it from my side

at least. Let me confess as I have always been clear and open hearted

that I am here for also doing free service as well as be open

if anyone comes to me privately for consultations. That way

both purposes are served, service to mankind as well as business.

Hope I am clear and no dirt is related to me at least. This cannot

be treated as confession because this is a true fact and nothing

wrong about it. because if I have money then I will do seva bhav with

it. If I have clothe mill then probably every Saturday I would have

been distributing woolen shawls to people in Delhi in December time

without any shelter on their bodies. If I had a hotel then I would

have given free food at least one day to poor in a month.

If I wasa Doctor I would have given free treatments at camps set up

once evry fortnight. So there is nothing masked about

these things. Every good responsible human being would like to earn

as well donate something from his earnings. Since I dont have money

to donate, I donate my knowledge to seekers through this Forum,

expecting some high profiule client will come to me seeking

consultation and pay me enough for one months ration, to enable me to

continue doing this service, till another cklient of same status come

again. I think I have been honest and theres nothing elkse left to be

more honest about.

 

I like Your style of writing. I think Your English is the best here

among the participating members, but at times I cannot understand on

whose side You are on.

 

Regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sumit ji / Bhaskar ji,

>

> I did not mention that market place means taking payment and

selling. Market place also means promotion in knowledge industry. In

knowledge driven business, where commercial practioners participate,

they always solicit business through demonstration of their

knowledge. Such exhibition of knowledge is also part of promotion /

presale. Why to be hypocratic about it !! On the contrary, I am

saying that, let this be explicitly permitted.

>

> So, let us be clear. If commercial astrologer is participating, he

will always use forum for generating business. If one is mixing seva

bhav, then I may not tend to believe such masked statement. For me,

any forum is market place for professional (doctor, lawyer, chartered

accountant, astrologer etc)

>

> Re advertisements, I mentioned that let moderator permit them.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

>

> >

> > sumitbajaj2000

> > Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:19:55 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >

> > I would advice to go by bhaskar jee. And let the performance of

the

> > astrologers make them earn and attract good clients.

Advertisements

> > should not be allowed at any cost. Lets also maintain the

integrity of

> > the astrology profession. We should not solicit and no

competition should

> > be developed.

> >

> > May God Bless All

> >

> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> > Is any forum not a market place for any professional?

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

expecting

> > otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> >

> >>

> >> bhaskar_jyotish

> >> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

> >>

> >> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>

> >> The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

> >> nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be enough

and

> >> let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids if

they

> >> are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

> >> Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then as

> >> we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market

place,

> >> and create more frictions within the members as each will pounce

on

> >> every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in

winning him

> >> over.

> >> Bhaskar.

> >>

> >>

> >> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> >> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

> >> advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them

earning

> >> their professional fee through forum as well.

> >>>

> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>

> >>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> >> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

problem.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

> >>>>

> >>>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>>

> >>>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

> >>>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

> >>>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

> >>>>

> >>>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

> >>>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

> >>>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

> >>>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

> >>>> alongwith service.

> >>>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

> >>>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

> >>>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

> >>>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

> >>>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

> >>>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

> >>>>

> >>>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

> >>>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

> >>>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

> >>>> website is good, and others should visit there,

> >>>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

> >>>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

> >>>>

> >>>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

> >>>>

> >>>> Regards,

> >>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ACA Sumit Bajaj

> > Consultant

> > (Technical Analyst and Astrologer)

> > "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence"

> > Contact: +91-98300-84593

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji

 

I did not question the utilization of earnings. It is strictly individual's prerogative.

 

I did not say that - commercial astrologers do not help people, but a desire to seek business is always there. But what is wrong in it !!! I am for it..

 

I am not in any side. i write, what feel like..contextually. If we can not write on the forum freely, then what is the purpose. As I expressed, I do not have much personal interest in predictive / remedial astrology. I enjoy reading case studies and technical notes.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:48:28 -0000

>

> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>

> Shri Prafullaji,

>

> I think what You had meant to say must be- this is a good place and

> oppurtunity to place your skills and products and demonstration- for

> marketing., eventually. there is no hypocrisy about it from my side

> at least. Let me confess as I have always been clear and open hearted

> that I am here for also doing free service as well as be open

> if anyone comes to me privately for consultations. That way

> both purposes are served, service to mankind as well as business.

> Hope I am clear and no dirt is related to me at least. This cannot

> be treated as confession because this is a true fact and nothing

> wrong about it. because if I have money then I will do seva bhav with

> it. If I have clothe mill then probably every Saturday I would have

> been distributing woolen shawls to people in Delhi in December time

> without any shelter on their bodies. If I had a hotel then I would

> have given free food at least one day to poor in a month.

> If I wasa Doctor I would have given free treatments at camps set up

> once evry fortnight. So there is nothing masked about

> these things. Every good responsible human being would like to earn

> as well donate something from his earnings. Since I dont have money

> to donate, I donate my knowledge to seekers through this Forum,

> expecting some high profiule client will come to me seeking

> consultation and pay me enough for one months ration, to enable me to

> continue doing this service, till another cklient of same status come

> again. I think I have been honest and theres nothing elkse left to be

> more honest about.

>

> I like Your style of writing. I think Your English is the best here

> among the participating members, but at times I cannot understand on

> whose side You are on.

>

> Regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Sumit ji / Bhaskar ji,

>>

>> I did not mention that market place means taking payment and

> selling. Market place also means promotion in knowledge industry. In

> knowledge driven business, where commercial practioners participate,

> they always solicit business through demonstration of their

> knowledge. Such exhibition of knowledge is also part of promotion /

> presale. Why to be hypocratic about it !! On the contrary, I am

> saying that, let this be explicitly permitted.

>>

>> So, let us be clear. If commercial astrologer is participating, he

> will always use forum for generating business. If one is mixing seva

> bhav, then I may not tend to believe such masked statement. For me,

> any forum is market place for professional (doctor, lawyer, chartered

> accountant, astrologer etc)

>>

>> Re advertisements, I mentioned that let moderator permit them.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> sumitbajaj2000

>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:19:55 -0700 (PDT)

>>>

>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>

>>> I would advice to go by bhaskar jee. And let the performance of

> the

>>> astrologers make them earn and attract good clients.

> Advertisements

>>> should not be allowed at any cost. Lets also maintain the

> integrity of

>>> the astrology profession. We should not solicit and no

> competition should

>>> be developed.

>>>

>>> May God Bless All

>>>

>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>>> Is any forum not a market place for any professional?

>>>

>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>

>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> expecting

>>> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>>>

>>>>

>>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

>>>>

>>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>>

>>>> The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

>>>> nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be enough

> and

>>>> let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids if

> they

>>>> are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

>>>> Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then as

>>>> we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market

> place,

>>>> and create more frictions within the members as each will pounce

> on

>>>> every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in

> winning him

>>>> over.

>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

>>>> advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them

> earning

>>>> their professional fee through forum as well.

>>>>>

>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>

>>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

>>>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> problem.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

>>>>>>

>>>>>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

>>>>>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

>>>>>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

>>>>>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

>>>>>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

>>>>>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

>>>>>> alongwith service.

>>>>>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

>>>>>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

>>>>>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

>>>>>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

>>>>>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

>>>>>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

>>>>>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

>>>>>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

>>>>>> website is good, and others should visit there,

>>>>>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

>>>>>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ACA Sumit Bajaj

>>> Consultant

>>> (Technical Analyst and Astrologer)

>>> "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence"

>>> Contact: +91-98300-84593

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Yes, i agree Shri Kumar ji

 

I am not questioning the warmth of the astrologers. I am suggesting that, let them be explicit for the fee / payment methods etc. Transparency always helps in building good relations.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

 

>

> gbp_kumar

> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:02:20 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S 14/8

>

> Hi Prafulla, Bhaskar,Sumit, others

> I am sure that people here largely are good hearted and doing free

> service and if some people want more info and are prepared to pay they

> can clealry know whom to ask so let their signature carry a note on

> contact info, and their payable.option too.

>

> and some people also like to pay of sheer gratitude for a sufferign

> relived by any astrologer, healer.m as they do pay for other

> profesionals.

>

> we need not be shy or ashamed of it, rather no one must call us

> hypocrites when we accept payment even once ina blue moon as is my

> experience. and by doing this if uc an also help people who can make a

> decent livign and pay for their operational costs a great plus.

>

>

>

>

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

> Dear Sumit ji / Bhaskar ji,

>

> I did not mention that market place means taking payment and selling.

> Market place also means promotion in knowledge industry. In knowledge

> driven business, where commercial practioners participate, they always

> solicit business through demonstration of their knowledge. Such

> exhibition of knowledge is also part of promotion / presale. Why to be

> hypocratic about it !! On the contrary, I am saying that, let this be

> explicitly permitted.

>

> So, let us be clear. If commercial astrologer is participating, he will

> always use forum for generating business. If one is mixing seva bhav,

> then I may not tend to believe such masked statement. For me, any forum

> is market place for professional (doctor, lawyer, chartered accountant,

> astrologer etc)

>

> Re advertisements, I mentioned that let moderator permit them.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting

> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

> >

> > sumitbajaj2000

> > Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:19:55 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >

> > I would advice to go by bhaskar jee. And let the performance of the

> > astrologers make them earn and attract good clients. Advertisements

> > should not be allowed at any cost. Lets also maintain the integrity

> of

> > the astrology profession. We should not solicit and no competition

> should

> > be developed.

> >

> > May God Bless All

> >

> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

> > Is any forum not a market place for any professional?

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting

> > otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> >

> >>

> >> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> >> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

> >>

> >> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>

> >> The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

> >> nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be enough and

> >> let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids if they

> >> are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

> >> Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then as

> >> we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market place,

> >> and create more frictions within the members as each will pounce on

> >> every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in winning

> him

> >> over.

> >> Bhaskar.

> >>

> >>

> >> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> >> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

> >> advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them earning

> >> their professional fee through forum as well.

> >>>

> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>

> >>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> >> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> bhaskar_jyotish

> >>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

> >>>>

> >>>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>>

> >>>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

> >>>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

> >>>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

> >>>>

> >>>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

> >>>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

> >>>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

> >>>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

> >>>> alongwith service.

> >>>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

> >>>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

> >>>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

> >>>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

> >>>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

> >>>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

> >>>>

> >>>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

> >>>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

> >>>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

> >>>> website is good, and others should visit there,

> >>>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

> >>>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

> >>>>

> >>>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

> >>>>

> >>>> Regards,

> >>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ACA Sumit Bajaj

> > Consultant

> > (Technical Analyst and Astrologer)

> > "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence"

> > Contact: +91-98300-84593

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prafullaji,

 

As You have seen I have already mentioned and agreed- that

the desire to seek business is always there.I have accepted this

with no hypocrisy from my side. But I would not like

fulfilling that desire by any wrong means, or unethical methods,

it should come voluntarily, then theres grace in the action

and respcet of the astrologer too. I also should mention

that I have joined the Forum also for toning up my skills,

because in front of 5000 members if You tend to get wrong then you

seriously get back to your books to find where You were wrong,

and this excersise brings the astrologer near better perfection.,

apart from the Ego feeding I get, while writing here, and the

blessings I get over here,and of course the undeniable pleasure and

peace when You help somebody without expecting anything in return

from that particular individual, these so many factors prod

You to stay here.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> I did not question the utilization of earnings. It is strictly

individual's prerogative.

>

> I did not say that - commercial astrologers do not help people, but

a desire to seek business is always there. But what is wrong in

it !!! I am for it.

>

> I am not in any side. i write, what feel like..contextually. If we

can not write on the forum freely, then what is the purpose. As I

expressed, I do not have much personal interest in predictive /

remedial astrology. I enjoy reading case studies and technical notes.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:48:28 -0000

> >

> > Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >

> > Shri Prafullaji,

> >

> > I think what You had meant to say must be- this is a good place

and

> > oppurtunity to place your skills and products and demonstration-

for

> > marketing., eventually. there is no hypocrisy about it from my

side

> > at least. Let me confess as I have always been clear and open

hearted

> > that I am here for also doing free service as well as be open

> > if anyone comes to me privately for consultations. That way

> > both purposes are served, service to mankind as well as business.

> > Hope I am clear and no dirt is related to me at least. This cannot

> > be treated as confession because this is a true fact and nothing

> > wrong about it. because if I have money then I will do seva bhav

with

> > it. If I have clothe mill then probably every Saturday I would

have

> > been distributing woolen shawls to people in Delhi in December

time

> > without any shelter on their bodies. If I had a hotel then I would

> > have given free food at least one day to poor in a month.

> > If I wasa Doctor I would have given free treatments at camps set

up

> > once evry fortnight. So there is nothing masked about

> > these things. Every good responsible human being would like to

earn

> > as well donate something from his earnings. Since I dont have

money

> > to donate, I donate my knowledge to seekers through this Forum,

> > expecting some high profiule client will come to me seeking

> > consultation and pay me enough for one months ration, to enable

me to

> > continue doing this service, till another cklient of same status

come

> > again. I think I have been honest and theres nothing elkse left

to be

> > more honest about.

> >

> > I like Your style of writing. I think Your English is the best

here

> > among the participating members, but at times I cannot understand

on

> > whose side You are on.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Sumit ji / Bhaskar ji,

> >>

> >> I did not mention that market place means taking payment and

> > selling. Market place also means promotion in knowledge industry.

In

> > knowledge driven business, where commercial practioners

participate,

> > they always solicit business through demonstration of their

> > knowledge. Such exhibition of knowledge is also part of

promotion /

> > presale. Why to be hypocratic about it !! On the contrary, I am

> > saying that, let this be explicitly permitted.

> >>

> >> So, let us be clear. If commercial astrologer is participating,

he

> > will always use forum for generating business. If one is mixing

seva

> > bhav, then I may not tend to believe such masked statement. For

me,

> > any forum is market place for professional (doctor, lawyer,

chartered

> > accountant, astrologer etc)

> >>

> >> Re advertisements, I mentioned that let moderator permit them.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

problem.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> sumitbajaj2000@

> >>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:19:55 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>

> >>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>

> >>> I would advice to go by bhaskar jee. And let the performance of

> > the

> >>> astrologers make them earn and attract good clients.

> > Advertisements

> >>> should not be allowed at any cost. Lets also maintain the

> > integrity of

> >>> the astrology profession. We should not solicit and no

> > competition should

> >>> be developed.

> >>>

> >>> May God Bless All

> >>>

> >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>> Is any forum not a market place for any professional?

> >>>

> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>

> >>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > expecting

> >>> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

> >>>>

> >>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>>

> >>>> The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

> >>>> nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be enough

> > and

> >>>> let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids if

> > they

> >>>> are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

> >>>> Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then

as

> >>>> we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market

> > place,

> >>>> and create more frictions within the members as each will

pounce

> > on

> >>>> every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in

> > winning him

> >>>> over.

> >>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> >>>> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

> >>>> advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them

> > earning

> >>>> their professional fee through forum as well.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>

> >>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> >>>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> > problem.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

> >>>>>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

> >>>>>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

> >>>>>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

> >>>>>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

> >>>>>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

> >>>>>> alongwith service.

> >>>>>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

> >>>>>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

> >>>>>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

> >>>>>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

> >>>>>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

> >>>>>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

> >>>>>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

> >>>>>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

> >>>>>> website is good, and others should visit there,

> >>>>>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

> >>>>>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> ACA Sumit Bajaj

> >>> Consultant

> >>> (Technical Analyst and Astrologer)

> >>> "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence"

> >>> Contact: +91-98300-84593

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji

 

The biggest difference between professionals and non professionals (any practice) is fee. Each individual sets his norms, "maryada" and exceptions too..

 

BTW, not to be misread, but entire human social develelopment (compared to other species) is based upon "greed". So, as a human being, I tend to accept this as an attribute in myself. and it is not necessarily negative one.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:19:50 -0000

>

> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>

> Dear Prafullaji,

>

> As You have seen I have already mentioned and agreed- that

> the desire to seek business is always there.I have accepted this

> with no hypocrisy from my side. But I would not like

> fulfilling that desire by any wrong means, or unethical methods,

> it should come voluntarily, then theres grace in the action

> and respcet of the astrologer too. I also should mention

> that I have joined the Forum also for toning up my skills,

> because in front of 5000 members if You tend to get wrong then you

> seriously get back to your books to find where You were wrong,

> and this excersise brings the astrologer near better perfection.,

> apart from the Ego feeding I get, while writing here, and the

> blessings I get over here,and of course the undeniable pleasure and

> peace when You help somebody without expecting anything in return

> from that particular individual, these so many factors prod

> You to stay here.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>

>> I did not question the utilization of earnings. It is strictly

> individual's prerogative.

>>

>> I did not say that - commercial astrologers do not help people, but

> a desire to seek business is always there. But what is wrong in

> it !!! I am for it.

>>

>> I am not in any side. i write, what feel like..contextually. If we

> can not write on the forum freely, then what is the purpose. As I

> expressed, I do not have much personal interest in predictive /

> remedial astrology. I enjoy reading case studies and technical notes.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:48:28 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>

>>> Shri Prafullaji,

>>>

>>> I think what You had meant to say must be- this is a good place

> and

>>> oppurtunity to place your skills and products and demonstration-

> for

>>> marketing., eventually. there is no hypocrisy about it from my

> side

>>> at least. Let me confess as I have always been clear and open

> hearted

>>> that I am here for also doing free service as well as be open

>>> if anyone comes to me privately for consultations. That way

>>> both purposes are served, service to mankind as well as business.

>>> Hope I am clear and no dirt is related to me at least. This cannot

>>> be treated as confession because this is a true fact and nothing

>>> wrong about it. because if I have money then I will do seva bhav

> with

>>> it. If I have clothe mill then probably every Saturday I would

> have

>>> been distributing woolen shawls to people in Delhi in December

> time

>>> without any shelter on their bodies. If I had a hotel then I would

>>> have given free food at least one day to poor in a month.

>>> If I wasa Doctor I would have given free treatments at camps set

> up

>>> once evry fortnight. So there is nothing masked about

>>> these things. Every good responsible human being would like to

> earn

>>> as well donate something from his earnings. Since I dont have

> money

>>> to donate, I donate my knowledge to seekers through this Forum,

>>> expecting some high profiule client will come to me seeking

>>> consultation and pay me enough for one months ration, to enable

> me to

>>> continue doing this service, till another cklient of same status

> come

>>> again. I think I have been honest and theres nothing elkse left

> to be

>>> more honest about.

>>>

>>> I like Your style of writing. I think Your English is the best

> here

>>> among the participating members, but at times I cannot understand

> on

>>> whose side You are on.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Bhaskar.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Sumit ji / Bhaskar ji,

>>>>

>>>> I did not mention that market place means taking payment and

>>> selling. Market place also means promotion in knowledge industry.

> In

>>> knowledge driven business, where commercial practioners

> participate,

>>> they always solicit business through demonstration of their

>>> knowledge. Such exhibition of knowledge is also part of

> promotion /

>>> presale. Why to be hypocratic about it !! On the contrary, I am

>>> saying that, let this be explicitly permitted.

>>>>

>>>> So, let us be clear. If commercial astrologer is participating,

> he

>>> will always use forum for generating business. If one is mixing

> seva

>>> bhav, then I may not tend to believe such masked statement. For

> me,

>>> any forum is market place for professional (doctor, lawyer,

> chartered

>>> accountant, astrologer etc)

>>>>

>>>> Re advertisements, I mentioned that let moderator permit them.

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

>>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> problem.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> sumitbajaj2000@

>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:19:55 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>>>

>>>>> I would advice to go by bhaskar jee. And let the performance of

>>> the

>>>>> astrologers make them earn and attract good clients.

>>> Advertisements

>>>>> should not be allowed at any cost. Lets also maintain the

>>> integrity of

>>>>> the astrology profession. We should not solicit and no

>>> competition should

>>>>> be developed.

>>>>>

>>>>> May God Bless All

>>>>>

>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>> Is any forum not a market place for any professional?

>>>>>

>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>

>>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

>>> expecting

>>>>> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

>>>>>> nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be enough

>>> and

>>>>>> let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids if

>>> they

>>>>>> are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

>>>>>> Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then

> as

>>>>>> we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market

>>> place,

>>>>>> and create more frictions within the members as each will

> pounce

>>> on

>>>>>> every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in

>>> winning him

>>>>>> over.

>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

>>>>>> advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them

>>> earning

>>>>>> their professional fee through forum as well.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

>>>>>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

>>> problem.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

>>>>>>>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

>>>>>>>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

>>>>>>>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

>>>>>>>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

>>>>>>>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

>>>>>>>> alongwith service.

>>>>>>>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

>>>>>>>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

>>>>>>>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

>>>>>>>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

>>>>>>>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

>>>>>>>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

>>>>>>>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

>>>>>>>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

>>>>>>>> website is good, and others should visit there,

>>>>>>>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

>>>>>>>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> ACA Sumit Bajaj

>>>>> Consultant

>>>>> (Technical Analyst and Astrologer)

>>>>> "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence"

>>>>> Contact: +91-98300-84593

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Prafullaji,

 

I would like to modify that, and cannot accept that Greed could

also be there in decent men, in good measure.,maybe momentary.

Most of our actions/activities including those in Astrology fall

in 3 categories.

 

a) Need- Breathing is a need . All astrologers do

not have multiple sources of income to keep their fires burning.

Astrology may be their only source of income.For them there is a need

to charge, whether they like charging or not.

 

b) Desire - Breathing is a need for a desire to live.

Many astrologers already have their basic needs fulfilled. Their

desire to earn more would be to buy comforts or luxuries through

this knowledge, which would be akin to a business man wanting

his company to grow for more profits. So they charge.

 

c) Greed - This is a seperate entity and bad quality from both of

the above. Here breathing for a desire to live is there,but after

stopping other peoples breath, or choking their breath.

These astrologers use unethical means like putting fear in their

clients, give only half predictions and leave the other half till

money changes hands,bad name other astrolgers to prove themselves

better,using astrology as shield to answering one and all questions

of natives without having astrological knowledge,proclaiming that

they are the best,most scientific -this category falls in the greedy

ones. They want to grab all the available business in the world for

themselves, and would use all means ethical or not, to bring the

client to their doors.

 

Therefore, Need and Desire may not be bad, but Greed is definitely

bad and negative, both.

 

Regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> The biggest difference between professionals and non professionals

(any practice) is fee. Each individual sets his norms, "maryada" and

exceptions too.

>

> BTW, not to be misread, but entire human social develelopment

(compared to other species) is based upon "greed". So, as a human

being, I tend to accept this as an attribute in myself. and it is not

necessarily negative one.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:19:50 -0000

> >

> > Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >

> > Dear Prafullaji,

> >

> > As You have seen I have already mentioned and agreed- that

> > the desire to seek business is always there.I have accepted this

> > with no hypocrisy from my side. But I would not like

> > fulfilling that desire by any wrong means, or unethical methods,

> > it should come voluntarily, then theres grace in the action

> > and respcet of the astrologer too. I also should mention

> > that I have joined the Forum also for toning up my skills,

> > because in front of 5000 members if You tend to get wrong then you

> > seriously get back to your books to find where You were wrong,

> > and this excersise brings the astrologer near better perfection.,

> > apart from the Ego feeding I get, while writing here, and the

> > blessings I get over here,and of course the undeniable pleasure

and

> > peace when You help somebody without expecting anything in return

> > from that particular individual, these so many factors prod

> > You to stay here.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Bhaskar ji

> >>

> >> I did not question the utilization of earnings. It is strictly

> > individual's prerogative.

> >>

> >> I did not say that - commercial astrologers do not help people,

but

> > a desire to seek business is always there. But what is wrong in

> > it !!! I am for it.

> >>

> >> I am not in any side. i write, what feel like..contextually. If

we

> > can not write on the forum freely, then what is the purpose. As I

> > expressed, I do not have much personal interest in predictive /

> > remedial astrology. I enjoy reading case studies and technical

notes.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

problem.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:48:28 -0000

> >>>

> >>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>

> >>> Shri Prafullaji,

> >>>

> >>> I think what You had meant to say must be- this is a good place

> > and

> >>> oppurtunity to place your skills and products and demonstration-

> > for

> >>> marketing., eventually. there is no hypocrisy about it from my

> > side

> >>> at least. Let me confess as I have always been clear and open

> > hearted

> >>> that I am here for also doing free service as well as be open

> >>> if anyone comes to me privately for consultations. That way

> >>> both purposes are served, service to mankind as well as

business.

> >>> Hope I am clear and no dirt is related to me at least. This

cannot

> >>> be treated as confession because this is a true fact and nothing

> >>> wrong about it. because if I have money then I will do seva bhav

> > with

> >>> it. If I have clothe mill then probably every Saturday I would

> > have

> >>> been distributing woolen shawls to people in Delhi in December

> > time

> >>> without any shelter on their bodies. If I had a hotel then I

would

> >>> have given free food at least one day to poor in a month.

> >>> If I wasa Doctor I would have given free treatments at camps set

> > up

> >>> once evry fortnight. So there is nothing masked about

> >>> these things. Every good responsible human being would like to

> > earn

> >>> as well donate something from his earnings. Since I dont have

> > money

> >>> to donate, I donate my knowledge to seekers through this Forum,

> >>> expecting some high profiule client will come to me seeking

> >>> consultation and pay me enough for one months ration, to enable

> > me to

> >>> continue doing this service, till another cklient of same status

> > come

> >>> again. I think I have been honest and theres nothing elkse left

> > to be

> >>> more honest about.

> >>>

> >>> I like Your style of writing. I think Your English is the best

> > here

> >>> among the participating members, but at times I cannot

understand

> > on

> >>> whose side You are on.

> >>>

> >>> Regards,

> >>> Bhaskar.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Sumit ji / Bhaskar ji,

> >>>>

> >>>> I did not mention that market place means taking payment and

> >>> selling. Market place also means promotion in knowledge

industry.

> > In

> >>> knowledge driven business, where commercial practioners

> > participate,

> >>> they always solicit business through demonstration of their

> >>> knowledge. Such exhibition of knowledge is also part of

> > promotion /

> >>> presale. Why to be hypocratic about it !! On the contrary, I am

> >>> saying that, let this be explicitly permitted.

> >>>>

> >>>> So, let us be clear. If commercial astrologer is participating,

> > he

> >>> will always use forum for generating business. If one is mixing

> > seva

> >>> bhav, then I may not tend to believe such masked statement. For

> > me,

> >>> any forum is market place for professional (doctor, lawyer,

> > chartered

> >>> accountant, astrologer etc)

> >>>>

> >>>> Re advertisements, I mentioned that let moderator permit them.

> >>>>

> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>

> >>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> >>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> > problem.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> sumitbajaj2000@

> >>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:19:55 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I would advice to go by bhaskar jee. And let the performance

of

> >>> the

> >>>>> astrologers make them earn and attract good clients.

> >>> Advertisements

> >>>>> should not be allowed at any cost. Lets also maintain the

> >>> integrity of

> >>>>> the astrology profession. We should not solicit and no

> >>> competition should

> >>>>> be developed.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> May God Bless All

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>>>> Is any forum not a market place for any

professional?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>

> >>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> >>> expecting

> >>>>> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

> >>>>>> nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be

enough

> >>> and

> >>>>>> let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids

if

> >>> they

> >>>>>> are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

> >>>>>> Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then

> > as

> >>>>>> we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market

> >>> place,

> >>>>>> and create more frictions within the members as each will

> > pounce

> >>> on

> >>>>>> every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in

> >>> winning him

> >>>>>> over.

> >>>>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> >>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

> >>>>>> advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them

> >>> earning

> >>>>>> their professional fee through forum as well.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> >>>>>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> >>> problem.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

> >>>>>>>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

> >>>>>>>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

> >>>>>>>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

> >>>>>>>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

> >>>>>>>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

> >>>>>>>> alongwith service.

> >>>>>>>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

> >>>>>>>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

> >>>>>>>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

> >>>>>>>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

> >>>>>>>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

> >>>>>>>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

> >>>>>>>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

> >>>>>>>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

> >>>>>>>> website is good, and others should visit there,

> >>>>>>>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

> >>>>>>>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> ACA Sumit Bajaj

> >>>>> Consultant

> >>>>> (Technical Analyst and Astrologer)

> >>>>> "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence"

> >>>>> Contact: +91-98300-84593

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji

 

When we feed animals, they eat to the extent required by their body; and they seldom preserve for tomorrow. Human being, for their "greed", in the name of civilization and intelligence ("artificial" one - MERCURY - ruling greed), does preserve / acts for tomorrow. Greed is not a negative attribute. Excess of everything, is generally described wrong.

 

It is our human mind (artificial intelligence, again governed by mercury) - which defines the term greed at various levels like - need level of greed, ambition, desire level of greed, satisfaction level, "greed itself" etc.

 

Let me use the proper phase "Trishna".

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:16:10 -0000

>

> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>

> Dear Prafullaji,

>

> I would like to modify that, and cannot accept that Greed could

> also be there in decent men, in good measure.,maybe momentary.

> Most of our actions/activities including those in Astrology fall

> in 3 categories.

>

> a) Need- Breathing is a need . All astrologers do

> not have multiple sources of income to keep their fires burning.

> Astrology may be their only source of income.For them there is a need

> to charge, whether they like charging or not.

>

> b) Desire - Breathing is a need for a desire to live.

> Many astrologers already have their basic needs fulfilled. Their

> desire to earn more would be to buy comforts or luxuries through

> this knowledge, which would be akin to a business man wanting

> his company to grow for more profits. So they charge.

>

> c) Greed - This is a seperate entity and bad quality from both of

> the above. Here breathing for a desire to live is there,but after

> stopping other peoples breath, or choking their breath.

> These astrologers use unethical means like putting fear in their

> clients, give only half predictions and leave the other half till

> money changes hands,bad name other astrolgers to prove themselves

> better,using astrology as shield to answering one and all questions

> of natives without having astrological knowledge,proclaiming that

> they are the best,most scientific -this category falls in the greedy

> ones. They want to grab all the available business in the world for

> themselves, and would use all means ethical or not, to bring the

> client to their doors.

>

> Therefore, Need and Desire may not be bad, but Greed is definitely

> bad and negative, both.

>

> Regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>

>> The biggest difference between professionals and non professionals

> (any practice) is fee. Each individual sets his norms, "maryada" and

> exceptions too.

>>

>> BTW, not to be misread, but entire human social develelopment

> (compared to other species) is based upon "greed". So, as a human

> being, I tend to accept this as an attribute in myself. and it is not

> necessarily negative one.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:19:50 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>

>>> Dear Prafullaji,

>>>

>>> As You have seen I have already mentioned and agreed- that

>>> the desire to seek business is always there.I have accepted this

>>> with no hypocrisy from my side. But I would not like

>>> fulfilling that desire by any wrong means, or unethical methods,

>>> it should come voluntarily, then theres grace in the action

>>> and respcet of the astrologer too. I also should mention

>>> that I have joined the Forum also for toning up my skills,

>>> because in front of 5000 members if You tend to get wrong then you

>>> seriously get back to your books to find where You were wrong,

>>> and this excersise brings the astrologer near better perfection.,

>>> apart from the Ego feeding I get, while writing here, and the

>>> blessings I get over here,and of course the undeniable pleasure

> and

>>> peace when You help somebody without expecting anything in return

>>> from that particular individual, these so many factors prod

>>> You to stay here.

>>>

>>> regards,

>>> Bhaskar.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>>>

>>>> I did not question the utilization of earnings. It is strictly

>>> individual's prerogative.

>>>>

>>>> I did not say that - commercial astrologers do not help people,

> but

>>> a desire to seek business is always there. But what is wrong in

>>> it !!! I am for it.

>>>>

>>>> I am not in any side. i write, what feel like..contextually. If

> we

>>> can not write on the forum freely, then what is the purpose. As I

>>> expressed, I do not have much personal interest in predictive /

>>> remedial astrology. I enjoy reading case studies and technical

> notes.

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

>>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> problem.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:48:28 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>>>

>>>>> Shri Prafullaji,

>>>>>

>>>>> I think what You had meant to say must be- this is a good place

>>> and

>>>>> oppurtunity to place your skills and products and demonstration-

>>> for

>>>>> marketing., eventually. there is no hypocrisy about it from my

>>> side

>>>>> at least. Let me confess as I have always been clear and open

>>> hearted

>>>>> that I am here for also doing free service as well as be open

>>>>> if anyone comes to me privately for consultations. That way

>>>>> both purposes are served, service to mankind as well as

> business.

>>>>> Hope I am clear and no dirt is related to me at least. This

> cannot

>>>>> be treated as confession because this is a true fact and nothing

>>>>> wrong about it. because if I have money then I will do seva bhav

>>> with

>>>>> it. If I have clothe mill then probably every Saturday I would

>>> have

>>>>> been distributing woolen shawls to people in Delhi in December

>>> time

>>>>> without any shelter on their bodies. If I had a hotel then I

> would

>>>>> have given free food at least one day to poor in a month.

>>>>> If I wasa Doctor I would have given free treatments at camps set

>>> up

>>>>> once evry fortnight. So there is nothing masked about

>>>>> these things. Every good responsible human being would like to

>>> earn

>>>>> as well donate something from his earnings. Since I dont have

>>> money

>>>>> to donate, I donate my knowledge to seekers through this Forum,

>>>>> expecting some high profiule client will come to me seeking

>>>>> consultation and pay me enough for one months ration, to enable

>>> me to

>>>>> continue doing this service, till another cklient of same status

>>> come

>>>>> again. I think I have been honest and theres nothing elkse left

>>> to be

>>>>> more honest about.

>>>>>

>>>>> I like Your style of writing. I think Your English is the best

>>> here

>>>>> among the participating members, but at times I cannot

> understand

>>> on

>>>>> whose side You are on.

>>>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Sumit ji / Bhaskar ji,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I did not mention that market place means taking payment and

>>>>> selling. Market place also means promotion in knowledge

> industry.

>>> In

>>>>> knowledge driven business, where commercial practioners

>>> participate,

>>>>> they always solicit business through demonstration of their

>>>>> knowledge. Such exhibition of knowledge is also part of

>>> promotion /

>>>>> presale. Why to be hypocratic about it !! On the contrary, I am

>>>>> saying that, let this be explicitly permitted.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, let us be clear. If commercial astrologer is participating,

>>> he

>>>>> will always use forum for generating business. If one is mixing

>>> seva

>>>>> bhav, then I may not tend to believe such masked statement. For

>>> me,

>>>>> any forum is market place for professional (doctor, lawyer,

>>> chartered

>>>>> accountant, astrologer etc)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Re advertisements, I mentioned that let moderator permit them.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

>>>>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

>>> problem.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> sumitbajaj2000@

>>>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:19:55 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I would advice to go by bhaskar jee. And let the performance

> of

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> astrologers make them earn and attract good clients.

>>>>> Advertisements

>>>>>>> should not be allowed at any cost. Lets also maintain the

>>>>> integrity of

>>>>>>> the astrology profession. We should not solicit and no

>>>>> competition should

>>>>>>> be developed.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> May God Bless All

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>> Is any forum not a market place for any

> professional?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

>>>>> expecting

>>>>>>> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

>>>>>>>> nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be

> enough

>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids

> if

>>>>> they

>>>>>>>> are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

>>>>>>>> Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then

>>> as

>>>>>>>> we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market

>>>>> place,

>>>>>>>> and create more frictions within the members as each will

>>> pounce

>>>>> on

>>>>>>>> every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in

>>>>> winning him

>>>>>>>> over.

>>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

>>>>>>>> advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them

>>>>> earning

>>>>>>>> their professional fee through forum as well.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

>>>>>>>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

>>>>> problem.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

>>>>>>>>>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

>>>>>>>>>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

>>>>>>>>>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

>>>>>>>>>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

>>>>>>>>>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

>>>>>>>>>> alongwith service.

>>>>>>>>>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

>>>>>>>>>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

>>>>>>>>>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

>>>>>>>>>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

>>>>>>>>>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

>>>>>>>>>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

>>>>>>>>>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

>>>>>>>>>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

>>>>>>>>>> website is good, and others should visit there,

>>>>>>>>>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

>>>>>>>>>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ACA Sumit Bajaj

>>>>>>> Consultant

>>>>>>> (Technical Analyst and Astrologer)

>>>>>>> "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence"

>>>>>>> Contact: +91-98300-84593

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Prafullaji,

 

Bhai aapto apni baat manva kar hi chodna chahte ho.

Jab aap greedy nahi hain toh kyon fikar karna.

I have mentioned below the definitions by various English

sites for Greed. It is a negative trait, no doubt, bachpan

se school mein yeh seekha hai, phir bhi agar is baat seh aur

bahas shuru hogi toh Bhai Sahab meharbani kar ke isko aap

negative hi maan lena. Hame maaf karna, galti ho gayi samajh

kar.

 

greed-

1) an excessive desire for, or consumption of (All Words.com)

2) Selfish desire in general eg.for money

3)Excessively desirous of acquiring or posessing,especially wishing

to possess more than what one needs or deserves.(Bartleby.com)

4)excessive desire to acquire or possess more (especially more

material wealth)than one needs or deserves (World Net 2.0)

 

There are many more dictonaries quoted but have not mentioned.

 

Intelligence cannot be artificial, it is God given,chetna swaroop,

available only to human beings in a good measure, given by

God who has perfect intelligence has given us small extensions

of the same like Extension nos. to all phones in a department.

This intelligence we can inprove by intuition or meditations

or put to waste by unnecessary arguing or such matters.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> When we feed animals, they eat to the extent required by their

body; and they seldom preserve for tomorrow. Human being, for

their "greed", in the name of civilization and intelligence

("artificial" one - MERCURY - ruling greed), does preserve / acts for

tomorrow. Greed is not a negative attribute. Excess of everything, is

generally described wrong.

>

> It is our human mind (artificial intelligence, again governed by

mercury) - which defines the term greed at various levels like - need

level of greed, ambition, desire level of greed, satisfaction

level, "greed itself" etc.

>

> Let me use the proper phase "Trishna".

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:16:10 -0000

> >

> > Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >

> > Dear Prafullaji,

> >

> > I would like to modify that, and cannot accept that Greed could

> > also be there in decent men, in good measure.,maybe momentary.

> > Most of our actions/activities including those in Astrology fall

> > in 3 categories.

> >

> > a) Need- Breathing is a need . All astrologers do

> > not have multiple sources of income to keep their fires burning.

> > Astrology may be their only source of income.For them there is a

need

> > to charge, whether they like charging or not.

> >

> > b) Desire - Breathing is a need for a desire to live.

> > Many astrologers already have their basic needs fulfilled. Their

> > desire to earn more would be to buy comforts or luxuries through

> > this knowledge, which would be akin to a business man wanting

> > his company to grow for more profits. So they charge.

> >

> > c) Greed - This is a seperate entity and bad quality from both of

> > the above. Here breathing for a desire to live is there,but after

> > stopping other peoples breath, or choking their breath.

> > These astrologers use unethical means like putting fear in their

> > clients, give only half predictions and leave the other half till

> > money changes hands,bad name other astrolgers to prove themselves

> > better,using astrology as shield to answering one and all

questions

> > of natives without having astrological knowledge,proclaiming that

> > they are the best,most scientific -this category falls in the

greedy

> > ones. They want to grab all the available business in the world

for

> > themselves, and would use all means ethical or not, to bring the

> > client to their doors.

> >

> > Therefore, Need and Desire may not be bad, but Greed is definitely

> > bad and negative, both.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Bhaskar ji

> >>

> >> The biggest difference between professionals and non

professionals

> > (any practice) is fee. Each individual sets his norms, "maryada"

and

> > exceptions too.

> >>

> >> BTW, not to be misread, but entire human social develelopment

> > (compared to other species) is based upon "greed". So, as a human

> > being, I tend to accept this as an attribute in myself. and it is

not

> > necessarily negative one.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

problem.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:19:50 -0000

> >>>

> >>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>

> >>> Dear Prafullaji,

> >>>

> >>> As You have seen I have already mentioned and agreed- that

> >>> the desire to seek business is always there.I have accepted this

> >>> with no hypocrisy from my side. But I would not like

> >>> fulfilling that desire by any wrong means, or unethical methods,

> >>> it should come voluntarily, then theres grace in the action

> >>> and respcet of the astrologer too. I also should mention

> >>> that I have joined the Forum also for toning up my skills,

> >>> because in front of 5000 members if You tend to get wrong then

you

> >>> seriously get back to your books to find where You were wrong,

> >>> and this excersise brings the astrologer near better

perfection.,

> >>> apart from the Ego feeding I get, while writing here, and the

> >>> blessings I get over here,and of course the undeniable pleasure

> > and

> >>> peace when You help somebody without expecting anything in

return

> >>> from that particular individual, these so many factors prod

> >>> You to stay here.

> >>>

> >>> regards,

> >>> Bhaskar.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> >>>>

> >>>> I did not question the utilization of earnings. It is strictly

> >>> individual's prerogative.

> >>>>

> >>>> I did not say that - commercial astrologers do not help people,

> > but

> >>> a desire to seek business is always there. But what is wrong in

> >>> it !!! I am for it.

> >>>>

> >>>> I am not in any side. i write, what feel like..contextually. If

> > we

> >>> can not write on the forum freely, then what is the purpose. As

I

> >>> expressed, I do not have much personal interest in predictive /

> >>> remedial astrology. I enjoy reading case studies and technical

> > notes.

> >>>>

> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>

> >>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> >>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> > problem.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:48:28 -0000

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Shri Prafullaji,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I think what You had meant to say must be- this is a good

place

> >>> and

> >>>>> oppurtunity to place your skills and products and

demonstration-

> >>> for

> >>>>> marketing., eventually. there is no hypocrisy about it from my

> >>> side

> >>>>> at least. Let me confess as I have always been clear and open

> >>> hearted

> >>>>> that I am here for also doing free service as well as be open

> >>>>> if anyone comes to me privately for consultations. That way

> >>>>> both purposes are served, service to mankind as well as

> > business.

> >>>>> Hope I am clear and no dirt is related to me at least. This

> > cannot

> >>>>> be treated as confession because this is a true fact and

nothing

> >>>>> wrong about it. because if I have money then I will do seva

bhav

> >>> with

> >>>>> it. If I have clothe mill then probably every Saturday I would

> >>> have

> >>>>> been distributing woolen shawls to people in Delhi in December

> >>> time

> >>>>> without any shelter on their bodies. If I had a hotel then I

> > would

> >>>>> have given free food at least one day to poor in a month.

> >>>>> If I wasa Doctor I would have given free treatments at camps

set

> >>> up

> >>>>> once evry fortnight. So there is nothing masked about

> >>>>> these things. Every good responsible human being would like to

> >>> earn

> >>>>> as well donate something from his earnings. Since I dont have

> >>> money

> >>>>> to donate, I donate my knowledge to seekers through this

Forum,

> >>>>> expecting some high profiule client will come to me seeking

> >>>>> consultation and pay me enough for one months ration, to

enable

> >>> me to

> >>>>> continue doing this service, till another cklient of same

status

> >>> come

> >>>>> again. I think I have been honest and theres nothing elkse

left

> >>> to be

> >>>>> more honest about.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I like Your style of writing. I think Your English is the best

> >>> here

> >>>>> among the participating members, but at times I cannot

> > understand

> >>> on

> >>>>> whose side You are on.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Regards,

> >>>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> >>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Dear Sumit ji / Bhaskar ji,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I did not mention that market place means taking payment and

> >>>>> selling. Market place also means promotion in knowledge

> > industry.

> >>> In

> >>>>> knowledge driven business, where commercial practioners

> >>> participate,

> >>>>> they always solicit business through demonstration of their

> >>>>> knowledge. Such exhibition of knowledge is also part of

> >>> promotion /

> >>>>> presale. Why to be hypocratic about it !! On the contrary, I

am

> >>>>> saying that, let this be explicitly permitted.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> So, let us be clear. If commercial astrologer is

participating,

> >>> he

> >>>>> will always use forum for generating business. If one is

mixing

> >>> seva

> >>>>> bhav, then I may not tend to believe such masked statement.

For

> >>> me,

> >>>>> any forum is market place for professional (doctor, lawyer,

> >>> chartered

> >>>>> accountant, astrologer etc)

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Re advertisements, I mentioned that let moderator permit

them.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> >>>>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> >>> problem.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> sumitbajaj2000@

> >>>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:19:55 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I would advice to go by bhaskar jee. And let the performance

> > of

> >>>>> the

> >>>>>>> astrologers make them earn and attract good clients.

> >>>>> Advertisements

> >>>>>>> should not be allowed at any cost. Lets also maintain the

> >>>>> integrity of

> >>>>>>> the astrology profession. We should not solicit and no

> >>>>> competition should

> >>>>>>> be developed.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> May God Bless All

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>>>>>> Is any forum not a market place for any

> > professional?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> >>>>> expecting

> >>>>>>> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

> >>>>>>>> nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be

> > enough

> >>>>> and

> >>>>>>>> let the natives contact the astrologers on their private

ids

> > if

> >>>>> they

> >>>>>>>> are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

> >>>>>>>> Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned,

then

> >>> as

> >>>>>>>> we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a

market

> >>>>> place,

> >>>>>>>> and create more frictions within the members as each will

> >>> pounce

> >>>>> on

> >>>>>>>> every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in

> >>>>> winning him

> >>>>>>>> over.

> >>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> >>> <jyotish@>

> >>>>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

> >>>>>>>> advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them

> >>>>> earning

> >>>>>>>> their professional fee through forum as well.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> >>>>>>>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> >>>>> problem.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>>>>>>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

> >>>>>>>>>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

> >>>>>>>>>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

> >>>>>>>>>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

> >>>>>>>>>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

> >>>>>>>>>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

> >>>>>>>>>> alongwith service.

> >>>>>>>>>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

> >>>>>>>>>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

> >>>>>>>>>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

> >>>>>>>>>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

> >>>>>>>>>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

> >>>>>>>>>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

> >>>>>>>>>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

> >>>>>>>>>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

> >>>>>>>>>> website is good, and others should visit there,

> >>>>>>>>>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

> >>>>>>>>>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> ACA Sumit Bajaj

> >>>>>>> Consultant

> >>>>>>> (Technical Analyst and Astrologer)

> >>>>>>> "Keep smiling and be positive with confidence"

> >>>>>>> Contact: +91-98300-84593

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

People are too smart and intelligent nowadays to fall for any advertisements. Most of the people on this group are here for gaining some astrological knowledge and for some free readings.

 

On sundays, the mails are far lesser than on other weekdays, also no one tries to contact me on my messenger on sundays. This proves that most of the members here are using internet services at their workplaces. Such members will always think thrice before going for any paid services.

 

Out of every hundred people from this group, who approach me on my private id, only one or two really want to go for paid services. So, no need for us to worry about advertisements. There will still be good faithfull membership on this group because the services which we astrology enthusiasts are providing here for free, is incomparable.

 

The public is the ultimate judge. Let them decide. The forum should remain as and what it is, free.

 

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

Presently in Rohini, Delhi. Mb: +91-9891145270

 

[The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

 

 

 

 

-

bhaskar_jyotish

Monday, 14 August, 2006 21:51

Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

 

 

Not necessarily. There must also be genuine feelings of seva bhava

IN FEW ASTROLGERS case otherwise they would not be giving free

predictions. A small percentage in the Bhava , in these same

astrologers would also want that some money should accrue, if

possible, but not compomising with the seva Bhava.

Nothing wrong in being commercial.

But should be done in a decent manner.

Money coming from the Forum would be welcome to all the

participating astrologers here.

But where is the proper suggestion to do this without creating any

ill feelings between each other?

What is the proper way when such suggestion is made, the remedy

if suggested would be advantage to us, why not ?

Money is welcome, any time, any day, any night too, any moment too,

but not after creating fights, ill feelings, zealousy, competetion,

ill will, or unnecessary small low level conversations,

between astrologers ,if unregulated commercial soliciting is done,

which would accrue, if proper supporting method is not advised.

 

I am ready to go commercial. How to go about in this Forum without

creating ill feelings please suggest.

 

Bhaskar.

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Is any forum not a market place for any professional?

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:04:47 -0000

> >

> > Re: INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >

> > The Moderator has already given permission to put contact

> > nos,id,and website in signatures .I feel that should be enough and

> > let the natives contact the astrologers on their private ids if

they

> > are impressed by the astrologer on the Forum.

> > Otherwise if free unregulated advertising is sanctioned, then as

> > we have discussed before, this Forum would turn into a market

place,

> > and create more frictions within the members as each will pounce

on

> > every help mail that comes and try to outdo the others in winning

him

> > over.

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> I personally feel that moderator must permit commercial

> > advertisement by astrologers. I will be happier to see them

earning

> > their professional fee through forum as well.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

problem.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:39 -0000

> >>>

> >>> INDIRECT -DIRECT-PROXY S

> >>>

> >>> Bina mange mile doodh (Milk)

> >>> Mang kar mile paani (Water)

> >>> Cheen kar mile khoon (Blood)

> >>>

> >>> Manliness and guts and confidence and lofty character

> >>> can be displayed by opening a new shop in a area,

> >>> and letting the customers come on their own there by the

> >>> power of ones products,knowledge,quality and price tag.,

> >>> alongwith service.

> >>> By advertising in any other manner in a existing shop

> >>> where clients are already catered to by a self running

> >>> organisation.,social,charity or such, the advertiser is

> >>> trying to pull clients for his commercial sustenance,

> >>> which cannot be termed as a good practise. Short term

> >>> gains may be seen, but long run ,NO.

> >>>

> >>> More so in the case of astrology. Few Members having

> >>> websites and doing business there . holding multiple

> >>> e mail ids in different names and suggesting that any

> >>> website is good, and others should visit there,

> >>> amounts to the same thing. Other members do understand

> >>> when such advise given is for real or coming as proxy.

> >>>

> >>> This activity should be refrained and avoided.

> >>>

> >>> Regards,

> >>> Bhaskar.

> >>

>