saturn/knees (for Chandrashekhar and all)

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Namaste Chandrashekhar,

 

Some jyotishis believe that Ketu is exalted in Sagittarius. This

could account for the mark on your right knee. In my case,

Varamihira's observation was correct in that Sagittarius represents

the thighs, as the scar occurred on my left thigh.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear John,

>

> I have a mark on right knee but Ketu and not Jupiter occupies

> Sagittarius. So there apparently is more to marks, moles and scars

than

> presence of lord of a rasi in that rasi.

>

> If I remember my Brihat-jataka well, shubha grahas (natural

benefics)

> indicate a strong body part where as malefics give scars and moles

on

> body parts indicated. In case of third Dreshkana (decanate) of the

> Ascendant rising 5th and 9th bhavas (houses) are allotted right and

left

> knees, no doubt. But I do not see "Varaha Mihira" allotting knees

to

> Sagittarius, he allots thighs to Sagittarius.

>

> Of course, at this age, I am, sometimes, forgetful. So I would be

> grateful if someone can point me to the relevant shlokas in Brihat

jataka.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> John wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Margaret and all:

> >

> > This is an interesting discussion. I have a mole on my left foot

> > which would represent Jupiter in swakshetra in Pisces. Also, I

have

> > a huge scar on my left leg (Sagittarius) due to a childhood

> > accident. This can be explained by the rashi aspect of Mars (in

> > Gemini) and Saturn (in Virgo). My lagna is Cancer.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R

> >

> >

> > <%40>, "Margaret George"

> > <margaret.george@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lien

> > >

> > > As I said earlier, planets in own sign produce moles or marks

from

> > birth on the part of body represented by the sign. This is why I

> > posted the experiment of examining those specific charts with Jup

in

> > Sag/ Sat in Cap so you could experiment yourself with seeing which

> > signification produced moles on the knee area. In my experience of

> > examining bodies over the decades, it would always be Jup in Sag

> > which gets the mole on knee from birth, not Sat in Cap, but I am

open

> > to others presenting evidence to the contrary, I merely present my

> > own experience here.

> > >

> > > Other moles or marks can appear on other parts of the body as

life

> > evolves and usually correlate to where benefices are located in

> > signs representing that part of the body. This is the same with

> > injuries also, which occur on those parts of the body aspected or

> > afflicted by malefics. In your friend's case with Sun and Jup in

Sag

> > asc, the fact that malefic Sun aspects knees i.e Sag and Jup,

shows

> > why he keeps needing therapy on the right knee. His feet are also

> > afflicted by Sun's aspect.

> > > I'm sorry I cant post more on this amazing side of kalapurusha,

but

> > hopefully you can now experiment for yourself to find out which is

> > the sign associated with knees, rather than taking just my word

for

> > it. Though I would point you to Brihat Jataka--amongst too many

> > others to list--, where he gives the fifth and ninth house, third

> > decanate for knees also, and other important techniques for you to

> > learn and use. the most brilliant aspect of this side of

astrology is

> > that it is so easy to evidence for yourself with a little real

life

> > research.

> > > best wishes

> > > M

> > > -

> > > lotus7moon

> > >

> > <%40>

> > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 2:14 PM

> > > Re: saturn/knees

> > >

> > >

> > > margaret--

> > > so regarding moles--

> > > are you saying that even NEW moles reflect your this? I thought

> > it was just birth moles.

> > > lien

> > >

> > >

> > <%40>, "Margaret George"

> > <margaret.george@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lien

> > > >

> > > > Yes I looked up the injuries and the dasa do reflect their

> > nature. A good example

> > > thanks.

> > > > I would caution accepting another's version of their moles and

> > scars however. I once had

> > > a male who also needed a correction to lagna who swore he had no

> > scar on his left leg.

> > > When he arrived I went through the moles and marks with him (I

> > enjoy stripping men as I

> > > find it quite an amusing party trick-- though confess at

stopping

> > at needing to see on

> > > which testicle they had a vasectomy!) He had an enormous six

inch

> > long, one inch wide

> > > scar on his left shin. When I asked why he said on the phone he

> > didn't have such a scar he

> > > said he had forgotten about it!

> > > > Similarly the lady whose chart had Sat in Cap. She said she

had

> > no moles on her left leg,

> > > I didn't believe her as I trust this aspect of astrology, but

> > when I asked her to show me

> > > their absence, there were four little moles. She gasped in

> > surprise and confessed she

> > > hardly noticed them.

> > > > I think it is good to follow the plan of examining knees of

> > those with Sat in Cap and Jup

> > > in Sag as I said before, that way you will build up your own

> > understanding of which is

> > > accurate instead of just relying on textbooks.

> > > > best wishes

> > > > m

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > lotus7moon

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:34 PM

> > > > Re: saturn/knees

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > THIS IS INTERESTING MARGARET!

> > > > You may like solving this question on another person's chart.

> > > > Male

> > > > DOB

> > > > 5 Jan 1949

> > > > Norman, Oklahoma

> > > > 6:14 a.m.

> > > >

> > > > LARGE BIRTH MOLE about 1 1/2 to 2 inches down from LEFT knee

on

> > inside leg.

> > > > In MAY this year --for no reason --his left knee began to hurt

> > and stopped him from

> > > > doing his morning routine of running.

> > > >

> > > > SEPT. 1967 he broke his achillies tendon while running and had

> > to stop being on

> > > running

> > > > scholarship to his university.

> > > >

> > > > USUALLY he experiences pain and gets physical therapy for

RIGHT

> > KNEE problems.

> > > >

> > > > MOST JYOTISHIS WONDER IF HIS BIRTHTIME IS INCORRECT...it was a

> > concern since

> > > > apparently it was decided by one that he was 0 degrees

> > Saggitarius Lagna and he

> > > 'seemed'

> > > > more like a capricorn.

> > > > With this 6:14 birthtime he does have Saturn in ninth.

> > > > Another jyotishi felt he might have been born at 6:09 a.m.

> > > > After much rectification and looking into hospitalizations--it

> > was decided the 6:14

> > > time

> > > > was correct.

> > > > Another frequently asked question is about his body hair. He

> > has a very furry body,

> > > bushy

> > > > eyebrows and large dark eyes.

> > > >

> > > > When you finish other duties--you may want to examine this and

> > see if he fits your

> > > mole-

> > > > model!

> > > >

> > > > All the best,

> > > > Lien

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>, "Margaret George"

> > <margaret.george@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lien

> > > > > Thanks for the correction1

> > > > > In your chart natal Jupiter is currently aspected by transit

> > Saturn, so giving a simple

> > > > explanation of affliction to knees currently, without going

> > into any further detail--so

> > > sorry

> > > > but am very heavily focussed on non astrological projects at

> > the moment and only

> > > looked

> > > > at your query yesterday as a means of pleasant distraction!!

> > > > >

> > > > > However it is easy to experiment with the Cap/Sag rulership

> > of knees debate, by

> > > simply

> > > > collecting charts of people with Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag and

> > finding out which of

> > > them

> > > > have moles on the knee area from birth. I would say that a

> > person with the latter is

> > > more

> > > > likely to have the mole on the knee than the former, unless

the

> > decanate placements

> > > have

> > > > something else to add.

> > > > >

> > > > > Briefly one for your collection can be the chart I posted

> > recently of the lady who

> > > wanted

> > > > to know if she would have children. The chart shows Sat in Cap

> > in ninth house. When a

> > > rasi

> > > > has own ruler placed in it then that area of the body has a

> > mark or mole from birth.

> > > This

> > > > lady has moles on her left calve region from birth, not on her

> > knee.

> > > > > This is the acid test of which rasi rules which part of the

> > body, and is the simplest

> > > way

> > > > to find and evidence for yourself,

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > m

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > lotus7moon

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:24 AM

> > > > > Re: saturn/knees

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > > I think I see what the problem is...

> > > > > The 1981 birth date belongs to Anand who posted his birth

> > information in POST #

> > > > 11447.

> > > > > My birth information was posted earlier and that is what

> > Chandrashekhar has been

> > > > > working with.

> > > > > For your information, I will post it again and perhaps you

> > will see some similaities in

> > > > > knee issues between myself and Anand!

> > > > >

> > > > > My DOB

> > > > > 27th August 1952

> > > > > Place

> > > > > Austin, Texas

> > > > > Time

> > > > > 8:12 a.m.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am Kanya rising. Shani in 1st house. Rahu in Makara.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think someone mentioned that Anand's Shani is also in

Virgo.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you. Hope this clarifies everything!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Lien

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > <%40>, "Margaret George"

> > <margaret.george@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lien

> > > > > > Which longitude and latitude are you using for your place

> > of birth? My programme

> > > > gives

> > > > > six choices for the place you mention.

> > > > > > in 1981 Saturn was in Virgo which is placed on the

eleventh

> > house cusp for a

> > > Scorpio

> > > > > asc which you say is your lagna.

> > > > > > Which bit of your birth data have I not understood do you

> > think??

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > m

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > lotus7moon

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > > > > Re: saturn/knees

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Chandrashekhar and Margaret,

> > > > > > I am also confused. I was also told it was Capricorn

ruling

> > the knees and in past 2

> > > > > months

> > > > > > another family member with lots of capricorn also had knee

> > problems.

> > > > > > I have never been told that Saturn was in the 11th in any

> > of my charts. So, this is

> > > > news

> > > > > to

> > > > > > me.

> > > > > > Also--My main question about knees was with respect to the

> > recent period of

> > > Saturn

> > > > > > Combust because many people keep telling me of their knee

> > problems at this

> > > time.

> > > > > > I did a google search for all vedic astrological input on

> > Saturn and found

> > > interesting

> > > > > > perspectives (Saturn being bones, muscles, knees--and of

> > course delays and

> > > > > obstacles).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I liked the psychological ones the best. i.e. 'bending the

> > knee" signifies

> > > > > > becoming humble. After injuring my knees about three times

> > since the combust

> > > > period

> > > > > > began---i decided perhaps I needed to learn some lesson--

> > > > > > I've been trying to use this time in a different

> > way...moving more slowly, making

> > > > some

> > > > > > offerings to help others, give away posessions and

> > appologizing for any shortness

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > had in interacting with those close to me. Opening myself

> > to less Self-righteous

> > > > ways.

> > > > > > (And i see there is much work to still be done as I take

> > great delight in being

> > > 'right")

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While these are adjustments I should ALWAYS live with...I

> > am currently putting a

> > > little

> > > > > extra

> > > > > > attention on these things. My cut knee is healing just

> > fine,swelling and bruising

> > > are

> > > > > > better. My pulled muscles in both knees seem better too.

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar, can you enlighten me more about Kala

> > Purusha (time

> > > personified)

> > > > > > and specifically the 'knee' aspect as you have been

taught?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you both for your observations!!

> > > > > > Lien

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>, "Margaret George"

> > <margaret.george@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles,

but

> > clearly other

> > > astrologers

> > > > > have

> > > > > > slightly different kalapurush values, though these do work

> > for me when reading

> > > > charts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > M

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM

> > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius

> > is Knees what is

> > > > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Margaret George wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien

> > > > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart

> > correctly, retro Saturn

> > > > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal

retro

> > Jupiter, both

> > > > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth.

> > > > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule

> > knees, though some

> > > > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know.

> > > > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that

> > natally knees

> > > > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on

> > Jupiter. You

> > > > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house

> > of Sag and

> > > > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of

the

> > body as well.

> > > > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first

> > level of analysis.

> > > > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you

> > had transit

> > > > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while

> > transit Saturn

> > > > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected

> > natal Jup/Saturn

> > > > > > > > combination.

> > > > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on

natal

> > Sat/Jupiter

> > > > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the

> > 30th August

> > > > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the

> > Jupiter Saturn

> > > > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign

Sagittarius.

> > Your right

> > > > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body

> > with Mars, L6 of

> > > > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and

> > transit Mars

> > > > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8

> > of accidents

> > > > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting

> > Sagittarius or Pisces

> > > > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees

> > or feet when

> > > > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the

> > melting pot of

> > > > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the

> > moment due to

> > > > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy.

> > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > > Margaret

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40> <

> > > > %40>

> > > > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lien,

> > > > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house

> > which represents the

> > > > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the

> > knee trouble.

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee

> > injuries during a

> > > > > > > > > Saturn combust

> > > > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be

> > learned...example "

> > > > > > > > > practice humility'/bend

> > > > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under

> > influence of Saturn?

> > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on

> > my right knee...It

> > > > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed

> > > > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various

> > reasons ever since

> > > > > > > > > the combust period

> > > > > > > > > started.

> > > > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught

and

> > not struggle

> > > > > > > > > against the cosmic

> > > > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you

had

> > any special

> > > > > > > > > advice based on other

> > > > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust?

> > > > > > > > > namaste,

> > > > > > > > > lien

> > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear John,

 

Ketu does get exaltation in Sagittarius and this is used for phalit

whereas his exaltation in Scorpio is generally used for Ayu (longevity).

But that gave me a Mark of a red Trident on my forehead, which was quite

prominent when I was young, especially when I used to loose my temper.

Mars from the 7th aspects both Capricorn rasi and the 10th bhava in the

natal chart and appears to fit in with the scar on my knee.

 

But as you said, marks and scars can be interpreted in a different manner.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

John wrote:

>

> Namaste Chandrashekhar,

>

> Some jyotishis believe that Ketu is exalted in Sagittarius. This

> could account for the mark on your right knee. In my case,

> Varamihira's observation was correct in that Sagittarius represents

> the thighs, as the scar occurred on my left thigh.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear John,

> >

> > I have a mark on right knee but Ketu and not Jupiter occupies

> > Sagittarius. So there apparently is more to marks, moles and scars

> than

> > presence of lord of a rasi in that rasi.

> >

> > If I remember my Brihat-jataka well, shubha grahas (natural

> benefics)

> > indicate a strong body part where as malefics give scars and moles

> on

> > body parts indicated. In case of third Dreshkana (decanate) of the

> > Ascendant rising 5th and 9th bhavas (houses) are allotted right and

> left

> > knees, no doubt. But I do not see "Varaha Mihira" allotting knees

> to

> > Sagittarius, he allots thighs to Sagittarius.

> >

> > Of course, at this age, I am, sometimes, forgetful. So I would be

> > grateful if someone can point me to the relevant shlokas in Brihat

> jataka.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > John wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Margaret and all:

> > >

> > > This is an interesting discussion. I have a mole on my left foot

> > > which would represent Jupiter in swakshetra in Pisces. Also, I

> have

> > > a huge scar on my left leg (Sagittarius) due to a childhood

> > > accident. This can be explained by the rashi aspect of Mars (in

> > > Gemini) and Saturn (in Virgo). My lagna is Cancer.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "Margaret George"

> > > <margaret.george@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lien

> > > >

> > > > As I said earlier, planets in own sign produce moles or marks

> from

> > > birth on the part of body represented by the sign. This is why I

> > > posted the experiment of examining those specific charts with Jup

> in

> > > Sag/ Sat in Cap so you could experiment yourself with seeing which

> > > signification produced moles on the knee area. In my experience of

> > > examining bodies over the decades, it would always be Jup in Sag

> > > which gets the mole on knee from birth, not Sat in Cap, but I am

> open

> > > to others presenting evidence to the contrary, I merely present my

> > > own experience here.

> > > >

> > > > Other moles or marks can appear on other parts of the body as

> life

> > > evolves and usually correlate to where benefices are located in

> > > signs representing that part of the body. This is the same with

> > > injuries also, which occur on those parts of the body aspected or

> > > afflicted by malefics. In your friend's case with Sun and Jup in

> Sag

> > > asc, the fact that malefic Sun aspects knees i.e Sag and Jup,

> shows

> > > why he keeps needing therapy on the right knee. His feet are also

> > > afflicted by Sun's aspect.

> > > > I'm sorry I cant post more on this amazing side of kalapurusha,

> but

> > > hopefully you can now experiment for yourself to find out which is

> > > the sign associated with knees, rather than taking just my word

> for

> > > it. Though I would point you to Brihat Jataka--amongst too many

> > > others to list--, where he gives the fifth and ninth house, third

> > > decanate for knees also, and other important techniques for you to

> > > learn and use. the most brilliant aspect of this side of

> astrology is

> > > that it is so easy to evidence for yourself with a little real

> life

> > > research.

> > > > best wishes

> > > > M

> > > > -

> > > > lotus7moon

> > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 2:14 PM

> > > > Re: saturn/knees

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > margaret--

> > > > so regarding moles--

> > > > are you saying that even NEW moles reflect your this? I thought

> > > it was just birth moles.

> > > > lien

> > > >

> > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "Margaret George"

> > > <margaret.george@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lien

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes I looked up the injuries and the dasa do reflect their

> > > nature. A good example

> > > > thanks.

> > > > > I would caution accepting another's version of their moles and

> > > scars however. I once had

> > > > a male who also needed a correction to lagna who swore he had no

> > > scar on his left leg.

> > > > When he arrived I went through the moles and marks with him (I

> > > enjoy stripping men as I

> > > > find it quite an amusing party trick-- though confess at

> stopping

> > > at needing to see on

> > > > which testicle they had a vasectomy!) He had an enormous six

> inch

> > > long, one inch wide

> > > > scar on his left shin. When I asked why he said on the phone he

> > > didn't have such a scar he

> > > > said he had forgotten about it!

> > > > > Similarly the lady whose chart had Sat in Cap. She said she

> had

> > > no moles on her left leg,

> > > > I didn't believe her as I trust this aspect of astrology, but

> > > when I asked her to show me

> > > > their absence, there were four little moles. She gasped in

> > > surprise and confessed she

> > > > hardly noticed them.

> > > > > I think it is good to follow the plan of examining knees of

> > > those with Sat in Cap and Jup

> > > > in Sag as I said before, that way you will build up your own

> > > understanding of which is

> > > > accurate instead of just relying on textbooks.

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > m

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > lotus7moon

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:34 PM

> > > > > Re: saturn/knees

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > THIS IS INTERESTING MARGARET!

> > > > > You may like solving this question on another person's chart.

> > > > > Male

> > > > > DOB

> > > > > 5 Jan 1949

> > > > > Norman, Oklahoma

> > > > > 6:14 a.m.

> > > > >

> > > > > LARGE BIRTH MOLE about 1 1/2 to 2 inches down from LEFT knee

> on

> > > inside leg.

> > > > > In MAY this year --for no reason --his left knee began to hurt

> > > and stopped him from

> > > > > doing his morning routine of running.

> > > > >

> > > > > SEPT. 1967 he broke his achillies tendon while running and had

> > > to stop being on

> > > > running

> > > > > scholarship to his university.

> > > > >

> > > > > USUALLY he experiences pain and gets physical therapy for

> RIGHT

> > > KNEE problems.

> > > > >

> > > > > MOST JYOTISHIS WONDER IF HIS BIRTHTIME IS INCORRECT...it was a

> > > concern since

> > > > > apparently it was decided by one that he was 0 degrees

> > > Saggitarius Lagna and he

> > > > 'seemed'

> > > > > more like a capricorn.

> > > > > With this 6:14 birthtime he does have Saturn in ninth.

> > > > > Another jyotishi felt he might have been born at 6:09 a.m.

> > > > > After much rectification and looking into hospitalizations--it

> > > was decided the 6:14

> > > > time

> > > > > was correct.

> > > > > Another frequently asked question is about his body hair. He

> > > has a very furry body,

> > > > bushy

> > > > > eyebrows and large dark eyes.

> > > > >

> > > > > When you finish other duties--you may want to examine this and

> > > see if he fits your

> > > > mole-

> > > > > model!

> > > > >

> > > > > All the best,

> > > > > Lien

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "Margaret George"

> > > <margaret.george@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lien

> > > > > > Thanks for the correction1

> > > > > > In your chart natal Jupiter is currently aspected by transit

> > > Saturn, so giving a simple

> > > > > explanation of affliction to knees currently, without going

> > > into any further detail--so

> > > > sorry

> > > > > but am very heavily focussed on non astrological projects at

> > > the moment and only

> > > > looked

> > > > > at your query yesterday as a means of pleasant distraction!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However it is easy to experiment with the Cap/Sag rulership

> > > of knees debate, by

> > > > simply

> > > > > collecting charts of people with Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag and

> > > finding out which of

> > > > them

> > > > > have moles on the knee area from birth. I would say that a

> > > person with the latter is

> > > > more

> > > > > likely to have the mole on the knee than the former, unless

> the

> > > decanate placements

> > > > have

> > > > > something else to add.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Briefly one for your collection can be the chart I posted

> > > recently of the lady who

> > > > wanted

> > > > > to know if she would have children. The chart shows Sat in Cap

> > > in ninth house. When a

> > > > rasi

> > > > > has own ruler placed in it then that area of the body has a

> > > mark or mole from birth.

> > > > This

> > > > > lady has moles on her left calve region from birth, not on her

> > > knee.

> > > > > > This is the acid test of which rasi rules which part of the

> > > body, and is the simplest

> > > > way

> > > > > to find and evidence for yourself,

> > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > m

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > lotus7moon

> > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:24 AM

> > > > > > Re: saturn/knees

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > > > I think I see what the problem is...

> > > > > > The 1981 birth date belongs to Anand who posted his birth

> > > information in POST #

> > > > > 11447.

> > > > > > My birth information was posted earlier and that is what

> > > Chandrashekhar has been

> > > > > > working with.

> > > > > > For your information, I will post it again and perhaps you

> > > will see some similaities in

> > > > > > knee issues between myself and Anand!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My DOB

> > > > > > 27th August 1952

> > > > > > Place

> > > > > > Austin, Texas

> > > > > > Time

> > > > > > 8:12 a.m.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am Kanya rising. Shani in 1st house. Rahu in Makara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think someone mentioned that Anand's Shani is also in

> Virgo.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you. Hope this clarifies everything!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lien

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "Margaret George"

> > > <margaret.george@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lien

> > > > > > > Which longitude and latitude are you using for your place

> > > of birth? My programme

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > six choices for the place you mention.

> > > > > > > in 1981 Saturn was in Virgo which is placed on the

> eleventh

> > > house cusp for a

> > > > Scorpio

> > > > > > asc which you say is your lagna.

> > > > > > > Which bit of your birth data have I not understood do you

> > > think??

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > m

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > lotus7moon

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Chandrashekhar and Margaret,

> > > > > > > I am also confused. I was also told it was Capricorn

> ruling

> > > the knees and in past 2

> > > > > > months

> > > > > > > another family member with lots of capricorn also had knee

> > > problems.

> > > > > > > I have never been told that Saturn was in the 11th in any

> > > of my charts. So, this is

> > > > > news

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > Also--My main question about knees was with respect to the

> > > recent period of

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > Combust because many people keep telling me of their knee

> > > problems at this

> > > > time.

> > > > > > > I did a google search for all vedic astrological input on

> > > Saturn and found

> > > > interesting

> > > > > > > perspectives (Saturn being bones, muscles, knees--and of

> > > course delays and

> > > > > > obstacles).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I liked the psychological ones the best. i.e. 'bending the

> > > knee" signifies

> > > > > > > becoming humble. After injuring my knees about three times

> > > since the combust

> > > > > period

> > > > > > > began---i decided perhaps I needed to learn some lesson--

> > > > > > > I've been trying to use this time in a different

> > > way...moving more slowly, making

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > offerings to help others, give away posessions and

> > > appologizing for any shortness

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > had in interacting with those close to me. Opening myself

> > > to less Self-righteous

> > > > > ways.

> > > > > > > (And i see there is much work to still be done as I take

> > > great delight in being

> > > > 'right")

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > While these are adjustments I should ALWAYS live with...I

> > > am currently putting a

> > > > little

> > > > > > extra

> > > > > > > attention on these things. My cut knee is healing just

> > > fine,swelling and bruising

> > > > are

> > > > > > > better. My pulled muscles in both knees seem better too.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar, can you enlighten me more about Kala

> > > Purusha (time

> > > > personified)

> > > > > > > and specifically the 'knee' aspect as you have been

> taught?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you both for your observations!!

> > > > > > > Lien

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "Margaret George"

> > > <margaret.george@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles,

> but

> > > clearly other

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > slightly different kalapurush values, though these do work

> > > for me when reading

> > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > > M

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius

> > > is Knees what is

> > > > > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien

> > > > > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart

> > > correctly, retro Saturn

> > > > > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal

> retro

> > > Jupiter, both

> > > > > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth.

> > > > > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule

> > > knees, though some

> > > > > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know.

> > > > > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that

> > > natally knees

> > > > > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on

> > > Jupiter. You

> > > > > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house

> > > of Sag and

> > > > > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of

> the

> > > body as well.

> > > > > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first

> > > level of analysis.

> > > > > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you

> > > had transit

> > > > > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while

> > > transit Saturn

> > > > > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected

> > > natal Jup/Saturn

> > > > > > > > > combination.

> > > > > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on

> natal

> > > Sat/Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the

> > > 30th August

> > > > > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the

> > > Jupiter Saturn

> > > > > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign

> Sagittarius.

> > > Your right

> > > > > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body

> > > with Mars, L6 of

> > > > > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and

> > > transit Mars

> > > > > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8

> > > of accidents

> > > > > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting

> > > Sagittarius or Pisces

> > > > > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees

> > > or feet when

> > > > > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the

> > > melting pot of

> > > > > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the

> > > moment due to

> > > > > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy.

> > > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > > > Margaret

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40> <

> > > > > %40>

> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lien,

> > > > > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house

> > > which represents the

> > > > > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the

> > > knee trouble.

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee

> > > injuries during a

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn combust

> > > > > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be

> > > learned...example "

> > > > > > > > > > practice humility'/bend

> > > > > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under

> > > influence of Saturn?

> > > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on

> > > my right knee...It

> > > > > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed

> > > > > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various

> > > reasons ever since

> > > > > > > > > > the combust period

> > > > > > > > > > started.

> > > > > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught

> and

> > > not struggle

> > > > > > > > > > against the cosmic

> > > > > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you

> had

> > > any special

> > > > > > > > > > advice based on other

> > > > > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust?

> > > > > > > > > > namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > lien

> > > > > > > > > >

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