SELECTIVE TALKING 13/8 (group guidelines?)

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Dear Group:

 

I would Just to add a few comments to what others have

said on this important subject of clearer guidelines for

newsgroup participation:

 

-Have marriages evaluated with both charts if possible. If

only one chart is used the entire picture is missing, especially

if it is the woman who is suffering from the ending of the

marriage. The woman is more prone to take on the blame or

failure for a bad marriage even if she happens not to be at

fault. Some husbands abuse their wives, have infidelities,

or can even bring disease to the wife - or vice versa. Both

charts should be considered because the marriage is a failure

for both of them. Even if only one chart is available, the other

chart should at least be asked for to show that the astrologer

is striving to be objective.

 

-I'd also like to see moralizing or lectures on behavior used

sparingly if at all. This is particularly true when a marriage

has just ended and the parties concerned are in a state of

depression and cannot adsorb such advice. They need help

with the depression, understanding about the failure in marriage,

and hope for a better life, even if the upcoming dashas and

transits may still be difficult. Without sugar coating the

information, there's still a way of explaining such trends in a

way that can transform these challenges into something

beneficial or necessary to the person's life.

 

-When controversial predictions or judgments are made, they

should be supported with a valid argument for an informal peer

review to show if these indications can be clearly seen from the

chart. Situations where life-threatening disease is involved,

expensive relocations or major changes in the career, conjectures

about infidelities (if unwisely brought up on a public forum to begin

with), should be substantiated with the reasoning behind them.

Then it becomes a learning experience for everyone. If infidelities

are involved, the date of such an infidelity should be mentioned in

a way that can be verified or denied by the person or so others on

this forum can see such indications for themselves, even if the

person is unlikely to admit to such behavior. Major infidelities

jeopardizing someone's marriage are major events and there

should be major indications that are obvious to those who are

experienced in astrology. If no such arguments are presented on

these kinds of important sensitive issues in people's lives because

the technicques are considered proprietary information, then it's

perhaps fair to assume that the spirit of good will is lacking in the

astrologer, as there is no public benefit. Otherwise, why post

predictions on a forum where the person asking the question is

benefited, but not the forum as a whole? Such replies could just as

easily be handled privately off-line, or the response is likely to

appear as primarily self-serving to the astrologer him- or herself.

 

I'd like to see some of these guidelines written into the Welcome

page of this and other astrology forums. Astrologers have a

responsibility to the general public and to the community of

astrologers, whether one respects them as a whole or not. While

the opinions between astrologers on each chart will continue to

vary, there still are basic principles that most practitioners adhere

to and it's instructive to see how they are used when assessing

someone's chart. That way everyone is in a better position to

improve their own analytical or predictive skills. Without doing this,

people will continue to blindly hand over their lives to astrologers

who appear to be strong, decisive and skilled, but there's no way

of knowing unless the outcome of such predictions are publically

shared or verified. That's why these arguments should make sense

and will help develop confidence between the astrologer, client, and

the general public.

 

The above are a few ways to keep the standards of practice high

for astrologers or to help us improve where needed. There are billions

of people in the world and certainly enough clients to go around

for those who are dedicated to developing their abilities on a

continuing basis. No astrologer that I have ever known has built

his or her astrology practice from newsgroup postings alone. They

did it by developing their presence within their own community and

doing readings for free until others insisted upon paying them. That's

one way to do it, but there are others if the astrologer feels worthy of

payment to begin with for his skills. That's the magic key, in my view,

otherwise the astrologer will continue to give himself away without

feeling truly worthy of being financially compensated. None of the

suggestions I've made with regard to newsgsroup participation are

to me controversial in any way; they come out of respect for the

public and the community of astrologers and are largely based

on common sense. I hope these kinds of discussions will continue

until something tangible results from them.

 

This astrologer's view.

 

Best wishes, Haizen Paige

 

 

 

, "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

>

> Absolutely true.

>

> a) Trust relationship, is not possible on the Forum.

> b) Sticking to the issue while replying to the native. is better..

> c) Allegations have to be supported by proper reasoning.

>

> Sensitive issues involve lots of nuances to be adhered to,

> especially while dealing with Indian natives, who are far more

> prone and immediately turn inimical in responses.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Kumar ji and Bhaskar ji

> >

> > While reading the chart, many a times - an astrologer need to

> confirm events / trends. For that purpose, foremost important thing

> is to build a trust relationship with client. This, at times becomes

> difficult on forum driven chart readings (specially when an

> astrologer does not know the native well). In view of my observation

> of handling this issue by experienced astrologers - they reply in

> brief with reasoning, and stick to the issue. Yes, during

> consultation in person, these facts validation exercise can be done

> little more interactively and openly.

> >

> > In my personal opinion, if astrologer choose to predict on forum

> for reading request - he must avoid asking embrassing questions on

> the forum (and ask them through private mail). and such prediction

> must be made alongwith the rationale. In the event, astrologer does

> not want to discuss the reasoning, then he must post his reply

> privately to the querent. There are lot many helpful and far

> competent astrologers on other forums as well and almost all of them

> follow these norms. Unfortunately, this forum is not adequately

> moderated and lacks the compliance with commonly known requisite

> reading norms.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > gbp_kumar@

> > > Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:29:10 -0700 (PDT)

> > >

> > > Re: SELECTIVE TALKING 13/8

> > >

> > > Bhaskar,

> > > ur mail has 3 parts

> > >

> > > 1st tha tin a `public forum' some ones chart was disected on a

> > > sensitive subject which is reserved for private 121 scenarion.

> > >

> > > 2nd can an astrolgoer ask akward questions? YEST TRUTH is alays

> bitter

> > > and to verify u can alwyas ask. I I have asked, and seen my guru

> ask

> > >

> > > In fact a close client of his where many events tallied, just

> to test

> > > the interpretations laind in BPHS vol 2 he asked his client

> `right now

> > > do u have a relationship with a pregnant widow' he was outraged,

> furious

> > > and demand how he can say ut then my Guru showed him the sloka

> in BPHS

> > > VOL2 he said the sage must be drunk, insane to write it and left

> in

> > > huff, a few day slater he came and said i ant this book, and

> read it

> > > paitnetly again and did admit it, that he had a relationship

> with a

> > > women was pregnant and her husband died just aftr she was

> pregnant.

> > > 3. so u can make sure, and truth will prevail it depends on how

> u ask

> > > and also support ur statement,. v few works show u this

> combination. and

> > > have to update ur knowledge and also the scriptres r right, if

> people

> > > admit them instead of hiding or brusing it under the carpet.

> > >

> > >

> > > u must ask in a way that does'nt hurt anyone it may initially

> this is

> > > where ur competence as a counseller, a pyschic healer, comes into

> play.

> > >

> > > SAT-CHIT-ANANDA is truth not blunt words= facts r bitter,

> bitter things

> > > r not facts.

> > >

> > >

> > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > I wish to bring to notice about selective utterances very much

> > > necessary in communications

> > > whether verbal,or written or via someone ,with our

> natives/clients.

> > >

> > > a) We have witnessed in the latest episode ,what happens- the

> uproar

> > > of the native who was

> > > linked to extra marital relationships, though not directly

> but

> > > one astrologer talking to another

> > > and asking to clarify. I shudder to imagine what would have

> been

> > > my plight had I even given

> > > any indirect shade to that client as suggested by my friend

> > > astrologer, which would

> > > have amounted to character assasination on my part. I

> shudder

> > > more to think that had

> > > I said anything to that effect to the native on a personal

> > > meeting with him,what would

> > > have been my fate, and more shudder if that client would

> have

> > > been aggressive in nature.

> > > This shows and proves about the necessity of selective

> talking

> > > with any client/native.

> > >

> > > b) I met an astrologer ,his experience with one client in first

> > > person.

> > > " One man came to me asking for Muhurta for Divorce, I said

> that

> > > people come for

> > > Muhurta for marriages-garlanding time at time of saat

> pheras

> > > and not for divorce. But that

> > > man said that

> > > "I want a muhurta so that my divorce takes place withou any

> > > hassles. " Anyway i asked him

> > > to show his horoscope. I checked his 7th Cusp and Dasha

> running, but

> > > I noticed there was no divorce noticeable there. So i

> questioned him

> > > why do You want a divorce. The client said that

> > > "why do You want to know that, You please answer my question."

> I said

> > > that Your answer is connected to my answer to You. Then he

> replied

> > > that "I dont have a child . My in laws are asking me to go for

> > > fertility checking whether I have the required sperms or not,

> which i

> > > dont want to do. And they are pestering me for the same. I dont

> like

> > > this...." I then checked his 5th cusp which showed clearly that

> he

> > > can bear children.

> > > I asked him to show his wifes horoscope too which he did, and

> that

> > > too showed that her wife was fertile too,

> > > and their child was expected after 18 months time. But I did

> not tell

> > > the native this. I said no need to

> > > check Your fertility, You can bear children., and You will have

> too

> > > in future. But the client replied that

> > > "Sir dont give me lecture about other things , I have already

> > > decided, just give me answer when should

> > > I file papers for divorce." I then told this native that You

> will

> > > have to wait for at least 12 months more

> > > otherwise You will have lot of problems and may end up paying

> most of

> > > Your property to this woman.

> > > He said that he would wait. He paid my fees and left. This

> native

> > > came back to me after 9 months with a box of pedas saying that

> his

> > > wife was pregnant and now he does not want divorce. I

> > > took out his horoscope papers from my file and showed him what

> I had

> > > written in my

> > > remarks when he had come to meet me for the first time. I had

> > > written "Native will have child

> > > after 18 months and will not go for divorce." He said "why did

> not

> > > You tell me before," I then told him that You were not ready to

> > > listen so I had to put fear in You to wait for 12 months."

> > >

> > > The second instance shows that slective talking and at times

> > > shielding the facts for the good of

> > > the native is also permissible, if the end is well.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Prashantkumar G B

> > >

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