Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Dear Prafulla, asutosh, I agree Buddha said no God as at that time there were too many malpractices that needed to be cleared he did it so what came after Budha by Shankaracharya is what Swami Vivekananda preaced a syhthesis of all views, Hinduis did not exist was a westenr implanted word Sanathana Dharma always tookt he the best of all thinking, learning and has its basis in Vedas, Puranas, Ithasas Upanishads etc. but we are not for all or none here and Parashari system of astrology has given for each dasa, antar dasa some remedies both deity and Daana so one can choose and where their i other faiths involved and who dont want to use Hindu prayers we try to fin da equivalent god of theirs in their religion say Minerva for Sarvaswathi. and u r last line alone made me post this docs and pychs, scients we rarely need tosee. HAVE U not heard fo TIG, when the family of a patient asks a Doctur the status of the patient, U WILL HEAR NEXT 48 hr crucial we have done our best and TIG= Trust in God i have heard almost evey Doc say this leave alone movies in real life I have attended to many patients in Hosp andseen others too in waiting rooms do chat with as many people when I can share their mind, feelings concern. esp if different state, language msot people in Chennai find North Idnians or Telugu, Oriya, engali patients coem who need help transulating some stuff. severy human as a representative of God has to help eery other God who ask help of u is very much Hindu concept say if u can even Read Prahalads explaination to Hrinayakashyapu on where is God. astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote: Dear Prafulla, Religion is a system of rituals and traditions. It is a way of life. There may or may not be a concept of God in it. We can even term 'atheism' a religion. What we practice in India is not a religion, but a culture. Very few people know that only our culture permits and encourages debates. It also allows all kinds of beliefs, even atheism. One need not necessarily believe in God to be a Hindu. Even Gautam Buddha did not preach about any concept of God, but he himself was converted into a God by his followers. As an astrologer, I will never leave anything on God or destiny. It is my duty to strive to find out the exact future and also the ways to make that future better. The moment I start believing in God, my strength of efforts will falter, because then I will have a mental handicap of leaving everything on God. Also, which worship would I prescribe to someone who belongs to a different religion, or to someone who does not believe in any religion? I have always focused on remedies which can be followed by all, irrespective of their religious beliefs. Marx defined religion as an "Opium for the masses". It should not become an opium for us astrologers. Just like other sciences, astrology should be acceptable to all and should be easier for all to practice. Over-emphasis on religious remedies or worships of Gods, will deter people from other parts of the globe from studying this science. This is something which was clear to me ever since I started studying jyotish. But, I do not expect all to understand my point of views or to follow them. My proclamations of my atheism are my efforts to clarify my ways of living, not to prod others to be like me. One should choose the beliefs with which one feels comfortable. In India, all sciences were kept alive due to the religious garb which was given to them. In ancient times, there were no other means to preserve knowledge. Even, the famous granth by Kautilya, "Arthashastra", was saved from extinction by this means. It was rediscovered in 1905, in a Hindu monastry in Kerala, kept preserved but written in Malayalam script. Now, it is our duty to make astrology acceptable as a science and not just a belief or a subject of faith. Otherwise, the more scientific minded west will take over this science of ours just like they took over yoga and ayurveda. No one asks a doctor or a scientist or a psychologist whether they believe in God or not. One is concerned only with the services one gets from these professionals. Why not the same with astrologers too? Regards, Ashutosh - Prafulla Gang Sunday, 13 August, 2006 13:12 Re: religious practices of atheist societies Dear Shri Sharma ji I know many communist leaders, DMK followers, Russian natives (atheist one) and so on. They all claim to be atheist, but all these basic events have necessary religious pursuits !!! I personally, have yet to see the religious ceremonies not pursued, when their family members die. regards / Prafulla Gang The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem. > > polite_astro > Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:36:30 -0700 (PDT) > , > Re: religious practices of atheist societies > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Very good question indeed. > > Shashie Shekhar > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > I heard that DMK in south is atheist in practice. What are their > religious practices, when they have birth of child, marriages in their > families and when their family members die !! Just out of curiosity, and > do not link it to any thread. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting > otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem. > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Dear Prafulla, asutosh, I agree Buddha said no God as at that time there were too many malpractices that needed to be cleared he did it so what came after Budha by Shankaracharya is what Swami Vivekananda preaced a syhthesis of all views, Hinduis did not exist was a westenr implanted word Sanathana Dharma always tookt he the best of all thinking, learning and has its basis in Vedas, Puranas, Ithasas Upanishads etc. but we are not for all or none here and Parashari system of astrology has given for each dasa, antar dasa some remedies both deity and Daana so one can choose and where their i other faiths involved and who dont want to use Hindu prayers we try to fin da equivalent god of theirs in their religion say Minerva for Sarvaswathi. and u r last line alone made me post this docs and pychs, scients we rarely need tosee. HAVE U not heard fo TIG, when the family of a patient asks a Doctur the status of the patient, U WILL HEAR NEXT 48 hr crucial we have done our best and TIG= Trust in God i have heard almost evey Doc say this leave alone movies in real life I have attended to many patients in Hosp andseen others too in waiting rooms do chat with as many people when I can share their mind, feelings concern. esp if different state, language msot people in Chennai find North Idnians or Telugu, Oriya, Bengali patients coem who need help transulating some stuff. severy human as a representative of God has to help eery other God who ask help of u is very much Hindu concept say if u can even Read Prahalads explaination to Hrinayakashyapu on where is God. astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote: Dear Prafulla, Religion is a system of rituals and traditions. It is a way of life. There may or may not be a concept of God in it. We can even term 'atheism' a religion. What we practice in India is not a religion, but a culture. Very few people know that only our culture permits and encourages debates. It also allows all kinds of beliefs, even atheism. One need not necessarily believe in God to be a Hindu. Even Gautam Buddha did not preach about any concept of God, but he himself was converted into a God by his followers. As an astrologer, I will never leave anything on God or destiny. It is my duty to strive to find out the exact future and also the ways to make that future better. The moment I start believing in God, my strength of efforts will falter, because then I will have a mental handicap of leaving everything on God. Also, which worship would I prescribe to someone who belongs to a different religion, or to someone who does not believe in any religion? I have always focused on remedies which can be followed by all, irrespective of their religious beliefs. Marx defined religion as an "Opium for the masses". It should not become an opium for us astrologers. Just like other sciences, astrology should be acceptable to all and should be easier for all to practice. Over-emphasis on religious remedies or worships of Gods, will deter people from other parts of the globe from studying this science. This is something which was clear to me ever since I started studying jyotish. But, I do not expect all to understand my point of views or to follow them. My proclamations of my atheism are my efforts to clarify my ways of living, not to prod others to be like me. One should choose the beliefs with which one feels comfortable. In India, all sciences were kept alive due to the religious garb which was given to them. In ancient times, there were no other means to preserve knowledge. Even, the famous granth by Kautilya, "Arthashastra", was saved from extinction by this means. It was rediscovered in 1905, in a Hindu monastry in Kerala, kept preserved but written in Malayalam script. Now, it is our duty to make astrology acceptable as a science and not just a belief or a subject of faith. Otherwise, the more scientific minded west will take over this science of ours just like they took over yoga and ayurveda. No one asks a doctor or a scientist or a psychologist whether they believe in God or not. One is concerned only with the services one gets from these professionals. Why not the same with astrologers too? Regards, Ashutosh - Prafulla Gang Sunday, 13 August, 2006 13:12 Re: religious practices of atheist societies Dear Shri Sharma ji I know many communist leaders, DMK followers, Russian natives (atheist one) and so on. They all claim to be atheist, but all these basic events have necessary religious pursuits !!! I personally, have yet to see the religious ceremonies not pursued, when their family members die. regards / Prafulla Gang The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem. > > polite_astro > Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:36:30 -0700 (PDT) > , > Re: religious practices of atheist societies > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Very good question indeed. > > Shashie Shekhar > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > I heard that DMK in south is atheist in practice. What are their > religious practices, when they have birth of child, marriages in their > families and when their family members die !! Just out of curiosity, and > do not link it to any thread. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting > otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem. > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Learned Astrologers, Aren't we deviating from the moive of this group??? The motive says:- Jyotish Remedies is one of the two largest forums on Vedic Astrology (Also called Hindu Astrology or Jyotish) on the net. Owned by Tanvir Chowdhury, the forum is a platform for both beginners and experts to discuss on chart analysis, remedial measures and all other related topics. Thanq, With Humbleness, Wish u all success, http://gauravastro.150m.com , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, asutosh, > > I agree Buddha said no God as at that time there were too many malpractices that needed to be cleared he did it so what came after Budha by Shankaracharya is what Swami Vivekananda preaced a syhthesis of all views, Hinduis did not exist was a westenr implanted word Sanathana Dharma always tookt he the best of all thinking, learning and has its basis in Vedas, Puranas, Ithasas Upanishads etc. > but we are not for all or none here > and Parashari system of astrology has given for each dasa, antar dasa some remedies both deity and Daana so one can choose and where their i other faiths involved and who dont want to use Hindu prayers we try to fin da equivalent god of theirs in their religion say Minerva for Sarvaswathi. > > and u r last line alone made me post this docs and pychs, scients we rarely need tosee. HAVE U not heard fo TIG, when the family of a patient asks a Doctur the status of the patient, U WILL HEAR NEXT 48 hr crucial we have done our best and TIG= Trust in God i have heard almost evey Doc say this leave alone movies in real life I have attended to many patients in Hosp andseen others too in waiting rooms do chat with as many people when I can share their mind, feelings concern. esp if different state, language msot people in Chennai find North Idnians or Telugu, Oriya, engali patients coem who need help transulating some stuff. > > severy human as a representative of God has to help eery other God who ask help of u is very much Hindu concept say if u can even Read Prahalads explaination to Hrinayakashyapu on where is God. > > > > > > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: Dear Prafulla, > > Religion is a system of rituals and traditions. It is a way of life. There may or may not be a concept of God in it. We can even term 'atheism' a religion. > > What we practice in India is not a religion, but a culture. Very few people know that only our culture permits and encourages debates. It also allows all kinds of beliefs, even atheism. One need not necessarily believe in God to be a Hindu. > > Even Gautam Buddha did not preach about any concept of God, but he himself was converted into a God by his followers. > > As an astrologer, I will never leave anything on God or destiny. It is my duty to strive to find out the exact future and also the ways to make that future better. The moment I start believing in God, my strength of efforts will falter, because then I will have a mental handicap of leaving everything on God. > > Also, which worship would I prescribe to someone who belongs to a different religion, or to someone who does not believe in any religion? I have always focused on remedies which can be followed by all, irrespective of their religious beliefs. > > Marx defined religion as an "Opium for the masses". It should not become an opium for us astrologers. Just like other sciences, astrology should be acceptable to all and should be easier for all to practice. Over-emphasis on religious remedies or worships of Gods, will deter people from other parts of the globe from studying this science. > > This is something which was clear to me ever since I started studying jyotish. But, I do not expect all to understand my point of views or to follow them. My proclamations of my atheism are my efforts to clarify my ways of living, not to prod others to be like me. One should choose the beliefs with which one feels comfortable. > > In India, all sciences were kept alive due to the religious garb which was given to them. In ancient times, there were no other means to preserve knowledge. Even, the famous granth by Kautilya, "Arthashastra", was saved from extinction by this means. It was rediscovered in 1905, in a Hindu monastry in Kerala, kept preserved but written in Malayalam script. > > Now, it is our duty to make astrology acceptable as a science and not just a belief or a subject of faith. Otherwise, the more scientific minded west will take over this science of ours just like they took over yoga and ayurveda. > > No one asks a doctor or a scientist or a psychologist whether they believe in God or not. One is concerned only with the services one gets from these professionals. Why not the same with astrologers too? > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > - > Prafulla Gang > > Sunday, 13 August, 2006 13:12 > Re: religious practices of atheist societies > > Dear Shri Sharma ji > > I know many communist leaders, DMK followers, Russian natives (atheist one) and so on. They all claim to be atheist, but all these basic events have necessary religious pursuits !!! I personally, have yet to see the religious ceremonies not pursued, when their family members die. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem. > > > > > polite_astro > > Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:36:30 -0700 (PDT) > > , > > Re: religious practices of atheist societies > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > Very good question indeed. > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > > > I heard that DMK in south is atheist in practice. What are their > > religious practices, when they have birth of child, marriages in their > > families and when their family members die !! Just out of curiosity, and > > do not link it to any thread. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting > > otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem. > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Dear Gaurav ji We are not deviating. While discusing jyotish, when relevance of remedies is to be discussed, then these discussions will help in understanding the effects of not pursuing rituals. If funeral rituals are not performed, then it is believed that the family members (including the generations to come) can have those badhakas operating / pitra dosha etc. If the native is not able to pursue them, for his religious faith then, how can these dosha be removed? In Jainsim too, there is no shradha etc, but most members of jain community undergo pitra pooja / tarpandi etc for such dosha (if any). regards / Prafulla Gang The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem. > > gg_0202 (AT) (DOT) co.in > Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:25:41 -0000 > > Re: religious practices or none how abt TIG? 13/8 > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Learned Astrologers, > Aren't we deviating from the moive of this group??? > The motive says:- > Jyotish Remedies is one of the two largest forums on Vedic Astrology > (Also called Hindu Astrology or Jyotish) on the net. Owned by Tanvir > Chowdhury, the forum is a platform for both beginners and experts to > discuss on chart analysis, remedial measures and all other related > topics. > Thanq, > With Humbleness, > Wish u all success, > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar wrote: >> >> Dear Prafulla, asutosh, >> >> I agree Buddha said no God as at that time there were too many > malpractices that needed to be cleared he did it so what came after > Budha by Shankaracharya is what Swami Vivekananda preaced a > syhthesis of all views, Hinduis did not exist was a westenr > implanted word Sanathana Dharma always tookt he the best of all > thinking, learning and has its basis in Vedas, Puranas, Ithasas > Upanishads etc. >> but we are not for all or none here >> and Parashari system of astrology has given for each dasa, antar > dasa some remedies both deity and Daana so one can choose and where > their i other faiths involved and who dont want to use Hindu > prayers we try to fin da equivalent god of theirs in their religion > say Minerva for Sarvaswathi. >> >> and u r last line alone made me post this docs and pychs, > scients we rarely need tosee. HAVE U not heard fo TIG, when the > family of a patient asks a Doctur the status of the patient, U WILL > HEAR NEXT 48 hr crucial we have done our best and TIG= Trust in God > i have heard almost evey Doc say this leave alone movies in real > life I have attended to many patients in Hosp andseen others too in > waiting rooms do chat with as many people when I can share their > mind, feelings concern. esp if different state, language msot > people in Chennai find North Idnians or Telugu, Oriya, engali > patients coem who need help transulating some stuff. >> >> severy human as a representative of God has to help eery other > God who ask help of u is very much Hindu concept say if u can even > Read Prahalads explaination to Hrinayakashyapu on where is God. >> >> >> >> >> >> astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh > wrote: Dear > Prafulla, >> >> Religion is a system of rituals and traditions. It is a way of > life. There may or may not be a concept of God in it. We can even > term 'atheism' a religion. >> >> What we practice in India is not a religion, but a culture. Very > few people know that only our culture permits and encourages > debates. It also allows all kinds of beliefs, even atheism. One > need not necessarily believe in God to be a Hindu. >> >> Even Gautam Buddha did not preach about any concept of God, but > he himself was converted into a God by his followers. >> >> As an astrologer, I will never leave anything on God or destiny. > It is my duty to strive to find out the exact future and also the > ways to make that future better. The moment I start believing in > God, my strength of efforts will falter, because then I will have a > mental handicap of leaving everything on God. >> >> Also, which worship would I prescribe to someone who belongs to > a different religion, or to someone who does not believe in any > religion? I have always focused on remedies which can be followed > by all, irrespective of their religious beliefs. >> >> Marx defined religion as an "Opium for the masses". It should > not become an opium for us astrologers. Just like other sciences, > astrology should be acceptable to all and should be easier for all > to practice. Over-emphasis on religious remedies or worships of > Gods, will deter people from other parts of the globe from studying > this science. >> >> This is something which was clear to me ever since I started > studying jyotish. But, I do not expect all to understand my point > of views or to follow them. My proclamations of my atheism are my > efforts to clarify my ways of living, not to prod others to be like > me. One should choose the beliefs with which one feels comfortable. >> >> In India, all sciences were kept alive due to the religious garb > which was given to them. In ancient times, there were no other > means to preserve knowledge. Even, the famous granth by > Kautilya, "Arthashastra", was saved from extinction by this means. > It was rediscovered in 1905, in a Hindu monastry in Kerala, kept > preserved but written in Malayalam script. >> >> Now, it is our duty to make astrology acceptable as a science > and not just a belief or a subject of faith. Otherwise, the more > scientific minded west will take over this science of ours just > like they took over yoga and ayurveda. >> >> No one asks a doctor or a scientist or a psychologist whether > they believe in God or not. One is concerned only with the services > one gets from these professionals. Why not the same with > astrologers too? >> >> Regards, >> >> Ashutosh >> >> >> - >> Prafulla Gang >> >> Sunday, 13 August, 2006 13:12 >> Re: religious practices of atheist societies >> >> Dear Shri Sharma ji >> >> I know many communist leaders, DMK followers, Russian natives > (atheist one) and so on. They all claim to be atheist, but all > these basic events have necessary religious pursuits !!! I > personally, have yet to see the religious ceremonies not pursued, > when their family members die. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is > expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem. >> >> > >> > polite_astro >> > Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:36:30 -0700 (PDT) >> > , > >> > Re: religious practices of atheist societies >> > >> > ll HARE RAM ll >> > >> > Very good question indeed. >> > >> > Shashie Shekhar >> > >> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: >> > Dear Shri Kumar ji >> > >> > I heard that DMK in south is atheist in practice. What are > their >> > religious practices, when they have birth of child, > marriages in their >> > families and when their family members die !! Just out of > curiosity, and >> > do not link it to any thread. >> > >> > regards / Prafulla Gang >> > >> > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is > expecting >> > otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE >> > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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