religious practices of atheist societies 13/8

[Guest guest]

Dear {rafulla,

thats true tey r atheists but for their sake alone wil follow what they want to, their caders get marrie in simple garland exchange one of th party seniors will bles the couple. wedding cards also have images of not the bride, bride groom but party bosses, dead and alive.

again rememebr DMK wants reservations with already 69% +27 for meeeit among them reminder is opeb for all even other states.

but all DMK minister r leaders get treatment by not avg pass or grac emarks [that i sfor their voters to suffer] they will go to APOLLO or US, SWISS for treatment even months Mursulai maran was inUS for a yr on tax payers money. they Dayanidhi studied in Harward not here. so is ramdas family these leaders want the the state to have engineerign medicien taught in tamil only, their chlldren, grand children study overseas.

IT IS HYPORCISY at its height.

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Shri Kumar ji

I heard that DMK in south is atheist in practice. What are their religious practices, when they have birth of child, marriages in their families and when their family members die !! Just out of curiosity, and do not link it to any thread.

regards / Prafulla Gang

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

 

Prashantkumar G B

-*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but

off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

Please fix times for this in advance -*-

09840051861

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

[Guest guest]

Prafulla,

 

Funerals are very interesting social rituals, and lest I be blamed

for a wrong reason, I do not use the term 'interesting' in

its 'positive' sense -- perhaps I meant "intriguing".

 

Having participated in a few funerals of individuals from different

religions and belief systems, I have been stricken by their

predominant preoccupation with the 'body'. Sure -- the spirit and

soul is mentioned and its permanence and supremacy is mentioned,

extolled and celebrated, the body remains *central* to the rituals

and procedures. The 'disposal' of the body with dignity, with

respect and to bring a closure to the worldly existence of the

entity is what it is about, in my comprehension.

 

Such disposal is absolutely unavoidable, for obvious reasons, and

needs to be done delicately, gently, and appropriately in a manner

that is acceptable to a community, religion, region, etc.

The 'delicate/gentle' label is something that is very culture

specific and personal. If I were to describe, even briefly, the

methods used by the different prevailing cultures, I am sure it

would offend some or many individuals I am sure. Hence, I must leave

it at that other than just mentioning that the procedure/protocol

reflects the degree of significance and thus respect given to the

physical body that essentially has been abandoned by spirit which

though indestructible and permanent does not really come with an

earthly accommodation-plan that is going to last forever.

 

RR

 

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Kumar ji

>

> Many thanks. How about rituals at funerals?

>

> I observed them pursuing all rituals.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

>

> >

> > gbp_kumar

> > Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:47:17 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > Re: religious practices of atheist societies 13/8

> >

> > Dear {rafulla,

> > thats true tey r atheists but for their sake alone wil follow

what they

> > want to, their caders get marrie in simple garland exchange one

of th

> > party seniors will bles the couple. wedding cards also have

images of

> > not the bride, bride groom but party bosses, dead and alive.

> > again rememebr DMK wants reservations with already 69% +27 for

meeeit

> > among them reminder is opeb for all even other states.

> > but all DMK minister r leaders get treatment by not avg pass

or grac

> > emarks [that i sfor their voters to suffer] they will go to

APOLLO or

> > US, SWISS for treatment even months Mursulai maran was inUS for

a yr on

> > tax payers money. they Dayanidhi studied in Harward not here. so

is

> > ramdas family these leaders want the the state to have

engineerign

> > medicien taught in tamil only, their chlldren, grand children

study

> > overseas.

> > IT IS HYPORCISY at its height.

> >

> >

> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

> >

> > I heard that DMK in south is atheist in practice. What are their

> > religious practices, when they have birth of child, marriages in

their

> > families and when their family members die !! Just out of

curiosity, and

> > do not link it to any thread.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

expecting

> > otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Prashantkumar G B

> >

> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

group

> > but

> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

phone.

> > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> > 09840051861

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This is not connected to any post neither reference to any post,

but it has been seen in many cases since times immemorial where

funeral rits have not been performed properly, then

there is setbacks and incompleteness in the detached souls

journey to wherever it is destined. Either it may hover near

the loved ones, or on some other zone waiting for time to heal the

incompleteness or some other descendants remedial measures to make its

journey ahead. Even where the bodies are not burnt properly there

have been cases where people have been reborn without that limb,

or marks in the same place, or the soul contacting its loved

ones by way of dreams or physical prsence through manifestation

in the body of a person, directing the family members

to completethe rites, pinda daan or whatever.

We can find hundreds of real life references in the books

published by Gita Press to this effect.

 

Hence whether believer or atheist, it is always better and

advisable to follow ones religious norms in whichever religion

he is born,in grave and serious matters as such marriage,

deaths,shradha karmas etc. This is our duty as living members

to the departed souls, and their right too, which should be

done faithfully, lovingly and religiously.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Prafulla,

>

> Funerals are very interesting social rituals, and lest I be blamed

> for a wrong reason, I do not use the term 'interesting' in

> its 'positive' sense -- perhaps I meant "intriguing".

>

> Having participated in a few funerals of individuals from different

> religions and belief systems, I have been stricken by their

> predominant preoccupation with the 'body'. Sure -- the spirit and

> soul is mentioned and its permanence and supremacy is mentioned,

> extolled and celebrated, the body remains *central* to the rituals

> and procedures. The 'disposal' of the body with dignity, with

> respect and to bring a closure to the worldly existence of the

> entity is what it is about, in my comprehension.

>

> Such disposal is absolutely unavoidable, for obvious reasons, and

> needs to be done delicately, gently, and appropriately in a manner

> that is acceptable to a community, religion, region, etc.

> The 'delicate/gentle' label is something that is very culture

> specific and personal. If I were to describe, even briefly, the

> methods used by the different prevailing cultures, I am sure it

> would offend some or many individuals I am sure. Hence, I must

leave

> it at that other than just mentioning that the procedure/protocol

> reflects the degree of significance and thus respect given to the

> physical body that essentially has been abandoned by spirit which

> though indestructible and permanent does not really come with an

> earthly accommodation-plan that is going to last forever.

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

> >

> > Many thanks. How about rituals at funerals?

> >

> > I observed them pursuing all rituals.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > gbp_kumar@

> > > Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:47:17 -0700 (PDT)

> > >

> > > Re: religious practices of atheist societies 13/8

> > >

> > > Dear {rafulla,

> > > thats true tey r atheists but for their sake alone wil follow

> what they

> > > want to, their caders get marrie in simple garland exchange one

> of th

> > > party seniors will bles the couple. wedding cards also have

> images of

> > > not the bride, bride groom but party bosses, dead and alive.

> > > again rememebr DMK wants reservations with already 69% +27

for

> meeeit

> > > among them reminder is opeb for all even other states.

> > > but all DMK minister r leaders get treatment by not avg pass

> or grac

> > > emarks [that i sfor their voters to suffer] they will go to

> APOLLO or

> > > US, SWISS for treatment even months Mursulai maran was inUS for

> a yr on

> > > tax payers money. they Dayanidhi studied in Harward not here.

so

> is

> > > ramdas family these leaders want the the state to have

> engineerign

> > > medicien taught in tamil only, their chlldren, grand children

> study

> > > overseas.

> > > IT IS HYPORCISY at its height.

> > >

> > >

> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > Dear Shri Kumar ji

> > >

> > > I heard that DMK in south is atheist in practice. What are their

> > > religious practices, when they have birth of child, marriages

in

> their

> > > families and when their family members die !! Just out of

> curiosity, and

> > > do not link it to any thread.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> expecting

> > > otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Prashantkumar G B

> > >

> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> group

> > > but

> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

> phone.

> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> > > 09840051861

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prafulla,

 

Atheist or believer -- if they are deceased, their bodies would need

to be taken care of by society in an appropriate manner. And if the

one who ends up being responsible for the last rites of the deceased

body, there could be a bit of an interesting situation!

 

Whose beliefs are the most important after death? Those of the

person dying or those of the person who is discharging the final

rites to the dead individual?

 

It is best to give some thought to this and leave final instructions

in details so that loved ones, atheists and believers are not left

second guessing what the dying person might have preferred!

 

RR

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan ji

>

> Yes, in almost all cultures - lots of respect is given to "body".

The funeral carries additional religious rituals in almost all

societies. How about atheists!!

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

>

> >

> > jyotish_vani

> > Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:40:03 -0000

> >

> > Re: religious practices of atheist societies 13/8

> >

> > Prafulla,

> >

> > Funerals are very interesting social rituals, and lest I be

blamed

> > for a wrong reason, I do not use the term 'interesting' in

> > its 'positive' sense -- perhaps I meant "intriguing".

> >

> > Having participated in a few funerals of individuals from

different

> > religions and belief systems, I have been stricken by their

> > predominant preoccupation with the 'body'. Sure -- the spirit and

> > soul is mentioned and its permanence and supremacy is mentioned,

> > extolled and celebrated, the body remains *central* to the

rituals

> > and procedures. The 'disposal' of the body with dignity, with

> > respect and to bring a closure to the worldly existence of the

> > entity is what it is about, in my comprehension.

> >

> > Such disposal is absolutely unavoidable, for obvious reasons, and

> > needs to be done delicately, gently, and appropriately in a

manner

> > that is acceptable to a community, religion, region, etc.

> > The 'delicate/gentle' label is something that is very culture

> > specific and personal. If I were to describe, even briefly, the

> > methods used by the different prevailing cultures, I am sure it

> > would offend some or many individuals I am sure. Hence, I must

leave

> > it at that other than just mentioning that the procedure/protocol

> > reflects the degree of significance and thus respect given to the

> > physical body that essentially has been abandoned by spirit which

> > though indestructible and permanent does not really come with an

> > earthly accommodation-plan that is going to last forever.

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Shri Kumar ji

> >>

> >> Many thanks. How about rituals at funerals?

> >>

> >> I observed them pursuing all rituals.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

problem.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> gbp_kumar@

> >>> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:47:17 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>

> >>> Re: religious practices of atheist societies 13/8

> >>>

> >>> Dear {rafulla,

> >>> thats true tey r atheists but for their sake alone wil follow

> > what they

> >>> want to, their caders get marrie in simple garland exchange one

> > of th

> >>> party seniors will bles the couple. wedding cards also have

> > images of

> >>> not the bride, bride groom but party bosses, dead and alive.

> >>> again rememebr DMK wants reservations with already 69% +27

for

> > meeeit

> >>> among them reminder is opeb for all even other states.

> >>> but all DMK minister r leaders get treatment by not avg pass

> > or grac

> >>> emarks [that i sfor their voters to suffer] they will go to

> > APOLLO or

> >>> US, SWISS for treatment even months Mursulai maran was inUS for

> > a yr on

> >>> tax payers money. they Dayanidhi studied in Harward not here.

so

> > is

> >>> ramdas family these leaders want the the state to have

> > engineerign

> >>> medicien taught in tamil only, their chlldren, grand children

> > study

> >>> overseas.

> >>> IT IS HYPORCISY at its height.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>> Dear Shri Kumar ji

> >>>

> >>> I heard that DMK in south is atheist in practice. What are

their

> >>> religious practices, when they have birth of child, marriages

in

> > their

> >>> families and when their family members die !! Just out of

> > curiosity, and

> >>> do not link it to any thread.

> >>>

> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>

> >>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > expecting

> >>> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Prashantkumar G B

> >>>

> >>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> > group

> >>> but

> >>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

> > phone.

> >>> Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> >>> 09840051861

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Dear RR,

rememebr VIJAY MERCHANT the crickteer who wanted his body to be given toa medical college and used for study

but both legally and religiously it was interpreted that the wife and children's wishes prevail so he was cremated as per their choice.....

VM wasa paris I think and have different disopsal procedures. but yet was cremated...

 

crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Prafulla,

Atheist or believer -- if they are deceased, their bodies would need

to be taken care of by society in an appropriate manner. And if the

one who ends up being responsible for the last rites of the deceased

body, there could be a bit of an interesting situation!

Whose beliefs are the most important after death? Those of the

person dying or those of the person who is discharging the final

rites to the dead individual?

It is best to give some thought to this and leave final instructions

in details so that loved ones, atheists and believers are not left

second guessing what the dying person might have preferred!

RR

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan ji

>

> Yes, in almost all cultures - lots of respect is given to "body".

The funeral carries additional religious rituals in almost all

societies. How about atheists!!

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

>

> >

> > jyotish_vani

> > Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:40:03 -0000

> >

> > Re: religious practices of atheist societies 13/8

> >

> > Prafulla,

> >

> > Funerals are very interesting social rituals, and lest I be

blamed

> > for a wrong reason, I do not use the term 'interesting' in

> > its 'positive' sense -- perhaps I meant "intriguing".

> >

> > Having participated in a few funerals of individuals from

different

> > religions and belief systems, I have been stricken by their

> > predominant preoccupation with the 'body'. Sure -- the spirit and

> > soul is mentioned and its permanence and supremacy is mentioned,

> > extolled and celebrated, the body remains *central* to the

rituals

> > and procedures. The 'disposal' of the body with dignity, with

> > respect and to bring a closure to the worldly existence of the

> > entity is what it is about, in my comprehension.

> >

> > Such disposal is absolutely unavoidable, for obvious reasons, and

> > needs to be done delicately, gently, and appropriately in a

manner

> > that is acceptable to a community, religion, region, etc.

> > The 'delicate/gentle' label is something that is very culture

> > specific and personal. If I were to describe, even briefly, the

> > methods used by the different prevailing cultures, I am sure it

> > would offend some or many individuals I am sure. Hence, I must

leave

> > it at that other than just mentioning that the procedure/protocol

> > reflects the degree of significance and thus respect given to the

> > physical body that essentially has been abandoned by spirit which

> > though indestructible and permanent does not really come with an

> > earthly accommodation-plan that is going to last forever.

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Shri Kumar ji

> >>

> >> Many thanks. How about rituals at funerals?

> >>

> >> I observed them pursuing all rituals.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

problem.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> gbp_kumar@

> >>> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:47:17 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>

> >>> Re: religious practices of atheist societies 13/8

> >>>

> >>> Dear {rafulla,

> >>> thats true tey r atheists but for their sake alone wil follow

> > what they

> >>> want to, their caders get marrie in simple garland exchange one

> > of th

> >>> party seniors will bles the couple. wedding cards also have

> > images of

> >>> not the bride, bride groom but party bosses, dead and alive.

> >>> again rememebr DMK wants reservations with already 69% +27

for

> > meeeit

> >>> among them reminder is opeb for all even other states.

> >>> but all DMK minister r leaders get treatment by not avg pass

> > or grac

> >>> emarks [that i sfor their voters to suffer] they will go to

> > APOLLO or

> >>> US, SWISS for treatment even months Mursulai maran was inUS for

> > a yr on

> >>> tax payers money. they Dayanidhi studied in Harward not here.

so

> > is

> >>> ramdas family these leaders want the the state to have

> > engineerign

> >>> medicien taught in tamil only, their chlldren, grand children

> > study

> >>> overseas.

> >>> IT IS HYPORCISY at its height.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>> Dear Shri Kumar ji

> >>>

> >>> I heard that DMK in south is atheist in practice. What are

their

> >>> religious practices, when they have birth of child, marriages

in

> > their

> >>> families and when their family members die !! Just out of

> > curiosity, and

> >>> do not link it to any thread.

> >>>

> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>

> >>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > expecting

> >>> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Prashantkumar G B

> >>>

> >>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> > group

> >>> but

> >>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

> > phone.

> >>> Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> >>> 09840051861

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Some Parsis are different, for ex. Jam.Tata, was a staunch

believer in Hindu rites, and worshipped the Sun daily

as Surya Namaskaar - though all Parsis worship the Fire,

but this man was a step forward.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

-- In , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RR,

>

> rememebr VIJAY MERCHANT the crickteer who wanted his body to be

given toa medical college and used for study

> but both legally and religiously it was interpreted that the wife

and children's wishes prevail so he was cremated as per their

choice.....

>

> VM wasa paris I think and have different disopsal procedures. but

yet was cremated...

>

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani

wrote: Dear Prafulla,

>

> Atheist or believer -- if they are deceased, their bodies would

need

> to be taken care of by society in an appropriate manner. And if

the

> one who ends up being responsible for the last rites of the

deceased

> body, there could be a bit of an interesting situation!

>

> Whose beliefs are the most important after death? Those of the

> person dying or those of the person who is discharging the final

> rites to the dead individual?

>

> It is best to give some thought to this and leave final

instructions

> in details so that loved ones, atheists and believers are not

left

> second guessing what the dying person might have preferred!

>

> RR

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ranjan ji

> >

> > Yes, in almost all cultures - lots of respect is given

to "body".

> The funeral carries additional religious rituals in almost all

> societies. How about atheists!!

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

problem.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > jyotish_vani@

> > > Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:40:03 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: religious practices of atheist societies

13/8

> > >

> > > Prafulla,

> > >

> > > Funerals are very interesting social rituals, and lest I be

> blamed

> > > for a wrong reason, I do not use the term 'interesting' in

> > > its 'positive' sense -- perhaps I meant "intriguing".

> > >

> > > Having participated in a few funerals of individuals from

> different

> > > religions and belief systems, I have been stricken by their

> > > predominant preoccupation with the 'body'. Sure -- the spirit

and

> > > soul is mentioned and its permanence and supremacy is

mentioned,

> > > extolled and celebrated, the body remains *central* to the

> rituals

> > > and procedures. The 'disposal' of the body with dignity, with

> > > respect and to bring a closure to the worldly existence of the

> > > entity is what it is about, in my comprehension.

> > >

> > > Such disposal is absolutely unavoidable, for obvious reasons,

and

> > > needs to be done delicately, gently, and appropriately in a

> manner

> > > that is acceptable to a community, religion, region, etc.

> > > The 'delicate/gentle' label is something that is very culture

> > > specific and personal. If I were to describe, even briefly,

the

> > > methods used by the different prevailing cultures, I am sure

it

> > > would offend some or many individuals I am sure. Hence, I

must

> leave

> > > it at that other than just mentioning that the

procedure/protocol

> > > reflects the degree of significance and thus respect given to

the

> > > physical body that essentially has been abandoned by spirit

which

> > > though indestructible and permanent does not really come with

an

> > > earthly accommodation-plan that is going to last forever.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Shri Kumar ji

> > >>

> > >> Many thanks. How about rituals at funerals?

> > >>

> > >> I observed them pursuing all rituals.

> > >>

> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>

> > >> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > > expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> problem.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>> gbp_kumar@

> > >>> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:47:17 -0700 (PDT)

> > >>>

> > >>> Re: religious practices of atheist societies

13/8

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear {rafulla,

> > >>> thats true tey r atheists but for their sake alone wil

follow

> > > what they

> > >>> want to, their caders get marrie in simple garland exchange

one

> > > of th

> > >>> party seniors will bles the couple. wedding cards also have

> > > images of

> > >>> not the bride, bride groom but party bosses, dead and alive.

> > >>> again rememebr DMK wants reservations with already 69%

+27

> for

> > > meeeit

> > >>> among them reminder is opeb for all even other states.

> > >>> but all DMK minister r leaders get treatment by not avg

pass

> > > or grac

> > >>> emarks [that i sfor their voters to suffer] they will go to

> > > APOLLO or

> > >>> US, SWISS for treatment even months Mursulai maran was inUS

for

> > > a yr on

> > >>> tax payers money. they Dayanidhi studied in Harward not

here.

> so

> > > is

> > >>> ramdas family these leaders want the the state to have

> > > engineerign

> > >>> medicien taught in tamil only, their chlldren, grand

children

> > > study

> > >>> overseas.

> > >>> IT IS HYPORCISY at its height.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >>> Dear Shri Kumar ji

> > >>>

> > >>> I heard that DMK in south is atheist in practice. What are

> their

> > >>> religious practices, when they have birth of child,

marriages

> in

> > > their

> > >>> families and when their family members die !! Just out of

> > > curiosity, and

> > >>> do not link it to any thread.

> > >>>

> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>

> > >>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > > expecting

> > >>> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Prashantkumar G B

> > >>>

> > >>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> > > group

> > >>> but

> > >>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

> > > phone.

> > >>> Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> > >>> 09840051861

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

> > >>>

> > >>>

[Guest guest]

I remember Late Behram Contractor, who was a very good human being

plus a Parsi plus a believer again in our systems, was the editor

of The Afternoon paper in Mumbai read by lakhs of Mumbaiites since

two decades or so. I had the good forune to interact with him a couple

of times, when he was alive.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, "bhaskar_jyotish"

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Some Parsis are different, for ex. Jam.Tata, was a staunch

> believer in Hindu rites, and worshipped the Sun daily

> as Surya Namaskaar - though all Parsis worship the Fire,

> but this man was a step forward.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> -- In , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RR,

> >

> > rememebr VIJAY MERCHANT the crickteer who wanted his body to

be

> given toa medical college and used for study

> > but both legally and religiously it was interpreted that the

wife

> and children's wishes prevail so he was cremated as per their

> choice.....

> >

> > VM wasa paris I think and have different disopsal procedures.

but

> yet was cremated...

> >

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote: Dear

Prafulla,

> >

> > Atheist or believer -- if they are deceased, their bodies would

> need

> > to be taken care of by society in an appropriate manner. And if

> the

> > one who ends up being responsible for the last rites of the

> deceased

> > body, there could be a bit of an interesting situation!

> >

> > Whose beliefs are the most important after death? Those of the

> > person dying or those of the person who is discharging the

final

> > rites to the dead individual?

> >

> > It is best to give some thought to this and leave final

> instructions

> > in details so that loved ones, atheists and believers are not

> left

> > second guessing what the dying person might have preferred!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ranjan ji

> > >

> > > Yes, in almost all cultures - lots of respect is given

> to "body".

> > The funeral carries additional religious rituals in almost all

> > societies. How about atheists!!

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> problem.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > jyotish_vani@

> > > > Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:40:03 -0000

> > > >

> > > > Re: religious practices of atheist societies

> 13/8

> > > >

> > > > Prafulla,

> > > >

> > > > Funerals are very interesting social rituals, and lest I be

> > blamed

> > > > for a wrong reason, I do not use the term 'interesting' in

> > > > its 'positive' sense -- perhaps I meant "intriguing".

> > > >

> > > > Having participated in a few funerals of individuals from

> > different

> > > > religions and belief systems, I have been stricken by their

> > > > predominant preoccupation with the 'body'. Sure -- the

spirit

> and

> > > > soul is mentioned and its permanence and supremacy is

> mentioned,

> > > > extolled and celebrated, the body remains *central* to the

> > rituals

> > > > and procedures. The 'disposal' of the body with dignity,

with

> > > > respect and to bring a closure to the worldly existence of

the

> > > > entity is what it is about, in my comprehension.

> > > >

> > > > Such disposal is absolutely unavoidable, for obvious

reasons,

> and

> > > > needs to be done delicately, gently, and appropriately in a

> > manner

> > > > that is acceptable to a community, religion, region, etc.

> > > > The 'delicate/gentle' label is something that is very

culture

> > > > specific and personal. If I were to describe, even briefly,

> the

> > > > methods used by the different prevailing cultures, I am

sure

> it

> > > > would offend some or many individuals I am sure. Hence, I

> must

> > leave

> > > > it at that other than just mentioning that the

> procedure/protocol

> > > > reflects the degree of significance and thus respect given

to

> the

> > > > physical body that essentially has been abandoned by spirit

> which

> > > > though indestructible and permanent does not really come

with

> an

> > > > earthly accommodation-plan that is going to last forever.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Shri Kumar ji

> > > >>

> > > >> Many thanks. How about rituals at funerals?

> > > >>

> > > >> I observed them pursuing all rituals.

> > > >>

> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>

> > > >> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> > > > expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> > problem.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> gbp_kumar@

> > > >>> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:47:17 -0700 (PDT)

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Re: religious practices of atheist

societies

> 13/8

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear {rafulla,

> > > >>> thats true tey r atheists but for their sake alone wil

> follow

> > > > what they

> > > >>> want to, their caders get marrie in simple garland

exchange

> one

> > > > of th

> > > >>> party seniors will bles the couple. wedding cards also

have

> > > > images of

> > > >>> not the bride, bride groom but party bosses, dead and

alive.

> > > >>> again rememebr DMK wants reservations with already 69%

> +27

> > for

> > > > meeeit

> > > >>> among them reminder is opeb for all even other states.

> > > >>> but all DMK minister r leaders get treatment by not avg

> pass

> > > > or grac

> > > >>> emarks [that i sfor their voters to suffer] they will go

to

> > > > APOLLO or

> > > >>> US, SWISS for treatment even months Mursulai maran was

inUS

> for

> > > > a yr on

> > > >>> tax payers money. they Dayanidhi studied in Harward not

> here.

> > so

> > > > is

> > > >>> ramdas family these leaders want the the state to have

> > > > engineerign

> > > >>> medicien taught in tamil only, their chlldren, grand

> children

> > > > study

> > > >>> overseas.

> > > >>> IT IS HYPORCISY at its height.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >>> Dear Shri Kumar ji

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I heard that DMK in south is atheist in practice. What

are

> > their

> > > >>> religious practices, when they have birth of child,

> marriages

> > in

> > > > their

> > > >>> families and when their family members die !! Just out of

> > > > curiosity, and

> > > >>> do not link it to any thread.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>

> > > >>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem

is

> > > > expecting

> > > >>> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Prashantkumar G B

> > > >>>

> > > >>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> > > > group

> > > >>> but

> > > >>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail

or

> > > > phone.

> > > >>> Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> > > >>> 09840051861

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

[Guest guest]

Prafulla,

I guess u did not read my post on it

dead have no choice. by law or religion

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Ranjan ji

I agree. it is the person dying, whose last wishes must be honoured.

regards / Prafulla Gang

Witch, n. (1) An ugly and repulsive old woman, in a wicked league with the devil. (2) A beautiful and attractive young woman, in wickedness a league beyond the devil.

>

> jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

> Tue, 15 Aug 2006 04:48:32 -0000

>

> Re: religious practices of atheist societies 13/8

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> Atheist or believer -- if they are deceased, their bodies would need

> to be taken care of by society in an appropriate manner. And if the

> one who ends up being responsible for the last rites of the deceased

> body, there could be a bit of an interesting situation!

>

> Whose beliefs are the most important after death? Those of the

> person dying or those of the person who is discharging the final

> rites to the dead individual?

>

> It is best to give some thought to this and leave final instructions

> in details so that loved ones, atheists and believers are not left

> second guessing what the dying person might have preferred!

>

> RR

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Ranjan ji

>>

>> Yes, in almost all cultures - lots of respect is given to "body".

> The funeral carries additional religious rituals in almost all

> societies. How about atheists!!

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> jyotish_vani

>>> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:40:03 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: religious practices of atheist societies 13/8

>>>

>>> Prafulla,

>>>

>>> Funerals are very interesting social rituals, and lest I be

> blamed

>>> for a wrong reason, I do not use the term 'interesting' in

>>> its 'positive' sense -- perhaps I meant "intriguing".

>>>

>>> Having participated in a few funerals of individuals from

> different

>>> religions and belief systems, I have been stricken by their

>>> predominant preoccupation with the 'body'. Sure -- the spirit and

>>> soul is mentioned and its permanence and supremacy is mentioned,

>>> extolled and celebrated, the body remains *central* to the

> rituals

>>> and procedures. The 'disposal' of the body with dignity, with

>>> respect and to bring a closure to the worldly existence of the

>>> entity is what it is about, in my comprehension.

>>>

>>> Such disposal is absolutely unavoidable, for obvious reasons, and

>>> needs to be done delicately, gently, and appropriately in a

> manner

>>> that is acceptable to a community, religion, region, etc.

>>> The 'delicate/gentle' label is something that is very culture

>>> specific and personal. If I were to describe, even briefly, the

>>> methods used by the different prevailing cultures, I am sure it

>>> would offend some or many individuals I am sure. Hence, I must

> leave

>>> it at that other than just mentioning that the procedure/protocol

>>> reflects the degree of significance and thus respect given to the

>>> physical body that essentially has been abandoned by spirit which

>>> though indestructible and permanent does not really come with an

>>> earthly accommodation-plan that is going to last forever.

>>>

>>> RR

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji

>>>>

>>>> Many thanks. How about rituals at funerals?

>>>>

>>>> I observed them pursuing all rituals.

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

>>> expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a

> problem.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> gbp_kumar@

>>>>> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:47:17 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: religious practices of atheist societies 13/8

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear {rafulla,

>>>>> thats true tey r atheists but for their sake alone wil follow

>>> what they

>>>>> want to, their caders get marrie in simple garland exchange one

>>> of th

>>>>> party seniors will bles the couple. wedding cards also have

>>> images of

>>>>> not the bride, bride groom but party bosses, dead and alive.

>>>>> again rememebr DMK wants reservations with already 69% +27

> for

>>> meeeit

>>>>> among them reminder is opeb for all even other states.

>>>>> but all DMK minister r leaders get treatment by not avg pass

>>> or grac

>>>>> emarks [that i sfor their voters to suffer] they will go to

>>> APOLLO or

>>>>> US, SWISS for treatment even months Mursulai maran was inUS for

>>> a yr on

>>>>> tax payers money. they Dayanidhi studied in Harward not here.

> so

>>> is

>>>>> ramdas family these leaders want the the state to have

>>> engineerign

>>>>> medicien taught in tamil only, their chlldren, grand children

>>> study

>>>>> overseas.

>>>>> IT IS HYPORCISY at its height.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>

>>>>> I heard that DMK in south is atheist in practice. What are

> their

>>>>> religious practices, when they have birth of child, marriages

> in

>>> their

>>>>> families and when their family members die !! Just out of

>>> curiosity, and

>>>>> do not link it to any thread.

>>>>>

>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>

>>>>> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is

>>> expecting

>>>>> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>

>>>>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>>> group

>>>>> but

>>>>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

>>> phone.

>>>>> Please fix times for this in advance -*-

>>>>> 09840051861

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

>>>>>

>>>>>