Nature of Lord is Nature of Teacher 13/8 p2

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Hi Prafulla, John

these lines John said is new to non OT=Old testament family-Jews, Christianity and Islam

the joke doing the rounds is

Hinduism [and its clones] are GOD VER 0, Jews ver 1, Christianity 2 and Islam 3 the latest and greatest.

and the OT lineage does say if u don't pray to our god u';ve NOT seen god so u go to hell

in the past 10 yrs we have seen in AP Churches say to the faithful vote for any candidate, part Sonia supports or is with and she is a representative of God and u will go to heaven, I've pointed this to many even leters to editors, that Naidu will never win 2004 for this reason apart from using Naxals to block Naidu's rallies YSR the CM used his christian folks for yrs to cultivate his vote bank and u can bet as long as YSR is alive no other Cong men can come leave alone NAIIDU's good work bringing him back and every subsequent by poll,or local body polls have show u this only.

 

this will soon catch up in MP, rajasthan, karnataka as TN, KERALA, WB are already in it, WB has good Bangla deshis so has amix WB, BIHAR, UP, MAHARASHTRA will vote for the crescent and the rest for the cross.

in the name of HELL

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear John

Without commenting on your intent of mail (??), let me question the facts itself -

Firstly, no religion says that following other faith is gateway to hell. Your entire hypothesis to self realiszation has fallacy.

Secondly - the person who pursues any faith (in any god or multiplicity of gods for the sake of arguments),does not lead to gateway of hell. So this assumption is self conceived and has fallacy. Heaven and hell have more to do with karma, than to anything else.

Thirdly - the dependence upon self conscience is not necessarily the gateway to heaven. I am happy killing some one (based upon my self conscience with or without faith in question), then am I entitled to self realization?? Having god within - is the highest meditative stage, and hypothetical too for the people, who are questioning the very faith of any religion. Even the religions like Budhism, where self realization is the process for moksha, it wants the test of faith (again not on pure conscience - the budhism ask for lot many things more than self conscience).

Religion helps native in developing, sustaining and nurturing the faith. It helps in building the discipline (not necessarily the rituals). The basis of gateway to heaven will always be karma and pure conscience driven living is one of the factor, not the means in totality. and if an individual can feel that, he need not adhere to any such discipline, then perhaps he is already reached to self realization process..or he does not believe in God too (as this stage has lots of challenges from EGO itself).

Coming to astrology, it is the karmic balances, which sets the stage. Yes , self realization quickens the enire process.

regards / Prafulla Gang

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

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> johnaldrichinc

> Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:45:45 -0700 (PDT)

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> Re: Nature of Lord is Nature of Teacher 12/8 p6

>

> I went to achristian priest and said I want to worship God, show me God

> and he said,worship only my God. I asked him why and he said, if you

> worship anyone else you will go to hell.

>

>

> Then I went to a muslim Mullah and said show me God I want to worship

> Him and he said, thou shall not worship anyone else, because if you do so

> then you will go to hell.

>

> Then I went to a Hindu priest and asked him show me God, and he said,

> you will worship only my Gods and when I asked him why, he said, if you

> worship anyone else, you will go to hell.

>

> Then I went to the Buddhist monk and asked him please show me God and

> he said, you will worship only my God, if not, you will go to hell.

>

> I came, and sat down and had a major turmoil within me. I decided to

> trust everyone. the christian, the muslim, the Hindu and the Buddhist

> because all of them looked so divine and holy. I realised I may landup in

> the hell. And so I said let them go to hell. I do not want to.

>

> Then I introspected and found that God is here within me, in my inner

> conscience. Gentlemen, let me tell you I am experiencing heaven on earth

> by following my conscience and the directives of my conscience. It does

> not matter who the God is. When my conscience clears my directions I

> follow it. Let all go to hell. I know I will not go to hell because I do

> not worship whom others have said, if I do, will go to hell. I need to

> trust everyone you see.

>

> So I know I will not go to hell because I follow my conscience. ANyone

> wanna join, you are welcome to follow not my conscience but your

> conscience .

>

> Cheers

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote:

> Surya,

> if u did try sure u have failed then

>

> If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

> him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

> which is the external religion

> this is a fact and the hatred the converts have to other faith sis

> horrible i am not against wharever conversion by free will NOT money.

>

> and these say in famlies one has conveted others not yet also they

> neither eat, drink saying u wud have offered ur fodo to ur god....! there

> is air of arrogence an dsuperiority that needs to be addressed by people

> like u who claim more than delvier

> we r ordinary souls who don't have the time or resoruces [spoirtual as u

> have] so do it and show u can stop the mad conversio and thius hate also

> the conversion removes the national identity their faith por nationality

> is in WEST ASIA both minorities one swells in multpying numbers and other

> by conversion by money.

> and by standers of other faiths get killed in cross fires.

>

> have u not seen the Danish cartton between the 2 mega monolith religions

> the distruction they bring, so show ur energy there we accept any god

> here no prob.

>

> HERE ASTRO Or none.......!

>

>

>

> surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: I am neither Hindu nor Christian. I

> belong to Universal

> Spirituality, which means that I am a true Hindu and therefore

> simultaneously a true Christian. I like to question the conversion

> being done is whether based on conversion of religion or

> spirituality. If it is religious conversion, I am not interested in

> the topic. If it is a spiritual conversion, there is no need because

> all religions have the same spirituality. Religion is only an

> external dress and spirituality is the same person present in all

> the types of dress. If the religious conversion is aimed at a

> political background by which a religion wants to increase its

> number and thus wants to have a single kingdom of Christians or

> Hindus, there is no spirituality. When Jesus thought of spreading

> the kingdom of God, a revolutionist thought that Jesus was aiming to

> remove the Roman Government and establish Jewish rule, Jesus refused

> to join hands with that revolutionist.

>

> Only minority indicates real spirituality only to reach God as said

> by both Jesus and Krishna. Jesus told that the path leading towards

> Him is very narrow. Krishna told in Gita that one in millions only

> can reach Him. Therefore, the minority is supported by the Lord and

> not the majority. Quality lies in minority only and not in majority.

> Jesus told that wherever two or three people associate to praise the

> Lord, the Lord dwells there. This indicates a qualitative minority

> and not ignorant majority. You say that Hindus are worried about the

> conversion of Hindus into Christians. But I find at least a few

> Christians are also converted in to Hindus. Perhaps, the Hindu is

> worried since both the rates of conversions are not equal. If your

> worry is based on this point, you are not against the concept of

> conversion. If you are against the concept of conversion, you should

> not have agreed to convert Christians into Hindus also.

>

> If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

> him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

> which is the external religion. The internal spirituality remains

> same and therefore you have done only external conversion but not

> the internal conversion. Since spirituality in both religions

> remains the same, you have not converted him at all. You have plenty

> of money and broad mind to sacrifice. You help the poor Hindu

> because he is a poor theist. He is not atheist." On the same

> occasion I advise the Hindu also like this, "Most of Hindus are

> poor. The rich Hindu minority has no broad mind to sacrifice to poor

> fellow Hindus. Neither you help the poor people of Hinduism, nor

> allow them to get help from broad-minded rich Christians. Majority

> of Christians are rich and also are broad-minded. Why do you worry?

> The Hindu did not become atheist by becoming Christian. Only his

> external dress is changed. He changed just his shirt only and you

> need not worry about this."

>

> I wish every human being in this world to recognize the underlying

> common basis of all the religions, which is the Universal

> Spirituality.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> posted by: surya

> http://www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>>

>> Surya,

>>

>> Even I have read only one line every 10 lines of Your essay.

>> Lot of conversions are carried out by missionaries, who

>> tempt poor people with little money, some small items and

>> colourful bibles.

>

>

> Prashantkumar G B

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