Nature of Lord is Nature of Teacher 12/8 p6

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Surya,

if u did try sure u have failed then

If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

which is the external religion

this is a fact and the hatred the converts have to other faith sis horrible i am not against wharever conversion by free will NOT money.

and these say in famlies one has conveted others not yet also they neither eat, drink saying u wud have offered ur fodo to ur god....! there is air of arrogence an dsuperiority that needs to be addressed by people like u who claim more than delvier

we r ordinary souls who don't have the time or resoruces [spoirtual as u have] so do it and show u can stop the mad conversio and thius hate also the conversion removes the national identity their faith por nationality is in WEST ASIA both minorities one swells in multpying numbers and other by conversion by money.

and by standers of other faiths get killed in cross fires.

have u not seen the Danish cartton between the 2 mega monolith religions the distruction they bring, so show ur energy there we accept any god here no prob.

HERE ASTRO Or none.......!

 

surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: I am neither Hindu nor Christian. I belong to Universal

Spirituality, which means that I am a true Hindu and therefore

simultaneously a true Christian. I like to question the conversion

being done is whether based on conversion of religion or

spirituality. If it is religious conversion, I am not interested in

the topic. If it is a spiritual conversion, there is no need because

all religions have the same spirituality. Religion is only an

external dress and spirituality is the same person present in all

the types of dress. If the religious conversion is aimed at a

political background by which a religion wants to increase its

number and thus wants to have a single kingdom of Christians or

Hindus, there is no spirituality. When Jesus thought of spreading

the kingdom of God, a revolutionist thought that Jesus was aiming to

remove the Roman Government and establish Jewish rule, Jesus refused

to join hands with that revolutionist.

Only minority indicates real spirituality only to reach God as said

by both Jesus and Krishna. Jesus told that the path leading towards

Him is very narrow. Krishna told in Gita that one in millions only

can reach Him. Therefore, the minority is supported by the Lord and

not the majority. Quality lies in minority only and not in majority.

Jesus told that wherever two or three people associate to praise the

Lord, the Lord dwells there. This indicates a qualitative minority

and not ignorant majority. You say that Hindus are worried about the

conversion of Hindus into Christians. But I find at least a few

Christians are also converted in to Hindus. Perhaps, the Hindu is

worried since both the rates of conversions are not equal. If your

worry is based on this point, you are not against the concept of

conversion. If you are against the concept of conversion, you should

not have agreed to convert Christians into Hindus also.

If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

which is the external religion. The internal spirituality remains

same and therefore you have done only external conversion but not

the internal conversion. Since spirituality in both religions

remains the same, you have not converted him at all. You have plenty

of money and broad mind to sacrifice. You help the poor Hindu

because he is a poor theist. He is not atheist." On the same

occasion I advise the Hindu also like this, "Most of Hindus are

poor. The rich Hindu minority has no broad mind to sacrifice to poor

fellow Hindus. Neither you help the poor people of Hinduism, nor

allow them to get help from broad-minded rich Christians. Majority

of Christians are rich and also are broad-minded. Why do you worry?

The Hindu did not become atheist by becoming Christian. Only his

external dress is changed. He changed just his shirt only and you

need not worry about this."

I wish every human being in this world to recognize the underlying

common basis of all the religions, which is the Universal

Spirituality.

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

posted by: surya

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

"bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Surya,

>

> Even I have read only one line every 10 lines of Your essay.

> Lot of conversions are carried out by missionaries, who

> tempt poor people with little money, some small items and

> colourful bibles.

 

 

 

 

 

Prashantkumar G B

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Shri Prashant Sahab,

 

Please give me your private e mail id.

I have been trying to send a mailsince long, but keeps returning.

my id is rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com

 

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Surya,

> if u did try sure u have failed then

>

> If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

> him "why you are so much particular about the change in the

culture

> which is the external religion

> this is a fact and the hatred the converts have to other faith

sis horrible i am not against wharever conversion by free will NOT

money.

>

> and these say in famlies one has conveted others not yet also

they neither eat, drink saying u wud have offered ur fodo to ur

god....! there is air of arrogence an dsuperiority that needs to be

addressed by people like u who claim more than delvier

> we r ordinary souls who don't have the time or resoruces

[spoirtual as u have] so do it and show u can stop the mad conversio

and thius hate also the conversion removes the national identity

their faith por nationality is in WEST ASIA both minorities one

swells in multpying numbers and other by conversion by money.

> and by standers of other faiths get killed in cross fires.

>

> have u not seen the Danish cartton between the 2 mega monolith

religions the distruction they bring, so show ur energy there we

accept any god here no prob.

>

> HERE ASTRO Or none.......!

>

>

>

> surya <dattapr2000

wrote: I am neither

Hindu nor Christian. I belong to Universal

> Spirituality, which means that I am a true Hindu and therefore

> simultaneously a true Christian. I like to question the

conversion

> being done is whether based on conversion of religion or

> spirituality. If it is religious conversion, I am not interested

in

> the topic. If it is a spiritual conversion, there is no need

because

> all religions have the same spirituality. Religion is only an

> external dress and spirituality is the same person present in all

> the types of dress. If the religious conversion is aimed at a

> political background by which a religion wants to increase its

> number and thus wants to have a single kingdom of Christians or

> Hindus, there is no spirituality. When Jesus thought of spreading

> the kingdom of God, a revolutionist thought that Jesus was aiming

to

> remove the Roman Government and establish Jewish rule, Jesus

refused

> to join hands with that revolutionist.

>

> Only minority indicates real spirituality only to reach God as

said

> by both Jesus and Krishna. Jesus told that the path leading

towards

> Him is very narrow. Krishna told in Gita that one in millions

only

> can reach Him. Therefore, the minority is supported by the Lord

and

> not the majority. Quality lies in minority only and not in

majority.

> Jesus told that wherever two or three people associate to praise

the

> Lord, the Lord dwells there. This indicates a qualitative

minority

> and not ignorant majority. You say that Hindus are worried about

the

> conversion of Hindus into Christians. But I find at least a few

> Christians are also converted in to Hindus. Perhaps, the Hindu is

> worried since both the rates of conversions are not equal. If

your

> worry is based on this point, you are not against the concept of

> conversion. If you are against the concept of conversion, you

should

> not have agreed to convert Christians into Hindus also.

>

> If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

> him "why you are so much particular about the change in the

culture

> which is the external religion. The internal spirituality remains

> same and therefore you have done only external conversion but not

> the internal conversion. Since spirituality in both religions

> remains the same, you have not converted him at all. You have

plenty

> of money and broad mind to sacrifice. You help the poor Hindu

> because he is a poor theist. He is not atheist." On the same

> occasion I advise the Hindu also like this, "Most of Hindus are

> poor. The rich Hindu minority has no broad mind to sacrifice to

poor

> fellow Hindus. Neither you help the poor people of Hinduism, nor

> allow them to get help from broad-minded rich Christians.

Majority

> of Christians are rich and also are broad-minded. Why do you

worry?

> The Hindu did not become atheist by becoming Christian. Only his

> external dress is changed. He changed just his shirt only and you

> need not worry about this."

>

> I wish every human being in this world to recognize the

underlying

> common basis of all the religions, which is the Universal

> Spirituality.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> posted by: surya

> http://www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Surya,

> >

> > Even I have read only one line every 10 lines of Your essay.

> > Lot of conversions are carried out by missionaries, who

> > tempt poor people with little money, some small items and

> > colourful bibles.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Prashantkumar G B

>

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> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

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I went to achristian priest and said I want to worship God, show me God and he said,worship only my God. I asked him why and he said, if you worship anyone else you will go to hell.

 

Then I went to a muslim Mullah and said show me God I want to worship Him and he said, thou shall not worship anyone else, because if you do so then you will go to hell.

Then I went to a Hindu priest and asked him show me God, and he said, you will worship only my Gods and when I asked him why, he said, if you worship anyone else, you will go to hell.

Then I went to the Buddhist monk and asked him please show me God and he said, you will worship only my God, if not, you will go to hell.

I came, and sat down and had a major turmoil within me. I decided to trust everyone. the christian, the muslim, the Hindu and the Buddhist because all of them looked so divine and holy. I realised I may landup in the hell. And so I said let them go to hell. I do not want to.

Then I introspected and found that God is here within me, in my inner conscience. Gentlemen, let me tell you I am experiencing heaven on earth by following my conscience and the directives of my conscience. It does not matter who the God is. When my conscience clears my directions I follow it. Let all go to hell. I know I will not go to hell because I do not worship whom others have said, if I do, will go to hell. I need to trust everyone you see.

So I know I will not go to hell because I follow my conscience. ANyone wanna join, you are welcome to follow not my conscience but your conscience .

Cheers

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote:

Surya,

if u did try sure u have failed then

 

If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

which is the external religion

this is a fact and the hatred the converts have to other faith sis horrible i am not against wharever conversion by free will NOT money.

 

and these say in famlies one has conveted others not yet also they neither eat, drink saying u wud have offered ur fodo to ur god....! there is air of arrogence an dsuperiority that needs to be addressed by people like u who claim more than delvier

we r ordinary souls who don't have the time or resoruces [spoirtual as u have] so do it and show u can stop the mad conversio and thius hate also the conversion removes the national identity their faith por nationality is in WEST ASIA both minorities one swells in multpying numbers and other by conversion by money.

and by standers of other faiths get killed in cross fires.

 

have u not seen the Danish cartton between the 2 mega monolith religions the distruction they bring, so show ur energy there we accept any god here no prob.

 

HERE ASTRO Or none.......!

 

 

 

surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: I am neither Hindu nor Christian. I belong to Universal

Spirituality, which means that I am a true Hindu and therefore

simultaneously a true Christian. I like to question the conversion

being done is whether based on conversion of religion or

spirituality. If it is religious conversion, I am not interested in

the topic. If it is a spiritual conversion, there is no need because

all religions have the same spirituality. Religion is only an

external dress and spirituality is the same person present in all

the types of dress. If the religious conversion is aimed at a

political background by which a religion wants to increase its

number and thus wants to have a single kingdom of Christians or

Hindus, there is no spirituality. When Jesus thought of spreading

the kingdom of God, a revolutionist thought that Jesus was aiming to

remove the Roman Government and establish Jewish rule, Jesus refused

to join hands with that revolutionist.

 

Only minority indicates real spirituality only to reach God as said

by both Jesus and Krishna. Jesus told that the path leading towards

Him is very narrow. Krishna told in Gita that one in millions only

can reach Him. Therefore, the minority is supported by the Lord and

not the majority. Quality lies in minority only and not in majority.

Jesus told that wherever two or three people associate to praise the

Lord, the Lord dwells there. This indicates a qualitative minority

and not ignorant majority. You say that Hindus are worried about the

conversion of Hindus into Christians. But I find at least a few

Christians are also converted in to Hindus. Perhaps, the Hindu is

worried since both the rates of conversions are not equal. If your

worry is based on this point, you are not against the concept of

conversion. If you are against the concept of conversion, you should

not have agreed to convert Christians into Hindus also.

 

If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

which is the external religion. The internal spirituality remains

same and therefore you have done only external conversion but not

the internal conversion. Since spirituality in both religions

remains the same, you have not converted him at all. You have plenty

of money and broad mind to sacrifice. You help the poor Hindu

because he is a poor theist. He is not atheist." On the same

occasion I advise the Hindu also like this, "Most of Hindus are

poor. The rich Hindu minority has no broad mind to sacrifice to poor

fellow Hindus. Neither you help the poor people of Hinduism, nor

allow them to get help from broad-minded rich Christians. Majority

of Christians are rich and also are broad-minded. Why do you worry?

The Hindu did not become atheist by becoming Christian. Only his

external dress is changed. He changed just his shirt only and you

need not worry about this."

 

I wish every human being in this world to recognize the underlying

common basis of all the religions, which is the Universal

Spirituality.

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

posted by: surya

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Surya,

>

> Even I have read only one line every 10 lines of Your essay.

> Lot of conversions are carried out by missionaries, who

> tempt poor people with little money, some small items and

> colourful bibles.

 

 

Prashantkumar G B

 

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off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

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Dear john,

 

Good reading.

Personally I do not believe that there are different Gods up there.

It is only due to regional and cultural differences that God has

manifested himself in different forms or through messengers in

various physical regions to guide the people from time to time and

the sections thus formed due to various regions (Geographical Areas)

worshipping various manifestations have after centuries

passing,developed into different religions worshipping different Gods

by the people living on Earth.

So every thing works smoothly until some smart person tries to push

his religion or ideologies related to spiritual practises, onto

others who are worshipping different apparent Gods, and this pushing

is done by invasions & force(In India by Mughals) or present day

tempting the poor sections of any particular society by money,

gifts or false promises.

 

Otherwise the world is a beautiful place to live in.

 

Examples You gave are good, but no true religious person will ever

say to another human being that "Worship My God". This does not

happen in real life.

 

Listening to ones conscience is always the best if one does not

believe in religion or the norms set by that religion, because the

heart is the seat of God, or we may say the part of God in us-Soul.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- In , John Aldrich

<johnaldrichinc wrote:

>

> I went to achristian priest and said I want to worship God, show me

God and he said,worship only my God. I asked him why and he said, if

you worship anyone else you will go to hell.

>

>

> Then I went to a muslim Mullah and said show me God I want to

worship Him and he said, thou shall not worship anyone else, because

if you do so then you will go to hell.

>

> Then I went to a Hindu priest and asked him show me God, and he

said, you will worship only my Gods and when I asked him why, he

said, if you worship anyone else, you will go to hell.

>

> Then I went to the Buddhist monk and asked him please show me God

and he said, you will worship only my God, if not, you will go to

hell.

>

> I came, and sat down and had a major turmoil within me. I decided

to trust everyone. the christian, the muslim, the Hindu and the

Buddhist because all of them looked so divine and holy. I realised I

may landup in the hell. And so I said let them go to hell. I do not

want to.

>

> Then I introspected and found that God is here within me, in my

inner conscience. Gentlemen, let me tell you I am experiencing heaven

on earth by following my conscience and the directives of my

conscience. It does not matter who the God is. When my conscience

clears my directions I follow it. Let all go to hell. I know I will

not go to hell because I do not worship whom others have said, if I

do, will go to hell. I need to trust everyone you see.

>

> So I know I will not go to hell because I follow my conscience.

ANyone wanna join, you are welcome to follow not my conscience but

your conscience .

>

> Cheers

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

> Surya,

> if u did try sure u have failed then

>

> If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

> him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

> which is the external religion

> this is a fact and the hatred the converts have to other faith sis

horrible i am not against wharever conversion by free will NOT money.

>

> and these say in famlies one has conveted others not yet also they

neither eat, drink saying u wud have offered ur fodo to ur god....!

there is air of arrogence an dsuperiority that needs to be addressed

by people like u who claim more than delvier

> we r ordinary souls who don't have the time or resoruces [spoirtual

as u have] so do it and show u can stop the mad conversio and thius

hate also the conversion removes the national identity their faith

por nationality is in WEST ASIA both minorities one swells in

multpying numbers and other by conversion by money.

> and by standers of other faiths get killed in cross fires.

>

> have u not seen the Danish cartton between the 2 mega monolith

religions the distruction they bring, so show ur energy there we

accept any god here no prob.

>

> HERE ASTRO Or none.......!

>

>

>

> surya <dattapr2000 wrote: I am neither Hindu nor Christian. I

belong to Universal

> Spirituality, which means that I am a true Hindu and therefore

> simultaneously a true Christian. I like to question the conversion

> being done is whether based on conversion of religion or

> spirituality. If it is religious conversion, I am not interested in

> the topic. If it is a spiritual conversion, there is no need

because

> all religions have the same spirituality. Religion is only an

> external dress and spirituality is the same person present in all

> the types of dress. If the religious conversion is aimed at a

> political background by which a religion wants to increase its

> number and thus wants to have a single kingdom of Christians or

> Hindus, there is no spirituality. When Jesus thought of spreading

> the kingdom of God, a revolutionist thought that Jesus was aiming

to

> remove the Roman Government and establish Jewish rule, Jesus

refused

> to join hands with that revolutionist.

>

> Only minority indicates real spirituality only to reach God as said

> by both Jesus and Krishna. Jesus told that the path leading towards

> Him is very narrow. Krishna told in Gita that one in millions only

> can reach Him. Therefore, the minority is supported by the Lord and

> not the majority. Quality lies in minority only and not in

majority.

> Jesus told that wherever two or three people associate to praise

the

> Lord, the Lord dwells there. This indicates a qualitative minority

> and not ignorant majority. You say that Hindus are worried about

the

> conversion of Hindus into Christians. But I find at least a few

> Christians are also converted in to Hindus. Perhaps, the Hindu is

> worried since both the rates of conversions are not equal. If your

> worry is based on this point, you are not against the concept of

> conversion. If you are against the concept of conversion, you

should

> not have agreed to convert Christians into Hindus also.

>

> If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

> him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

> which is the external religion. The internal spirituality remains

> same and therefore you have done only external conversion but not

> the internal conversion. Since spirituality in both religions

> remains the same, you have not converted him at all. You have

plenty

> of money and broad mind to sacrifice. You help the poor Hindu

> because he is a poor theist. He is not atheist." On the same

> occasion I advise the Hindu also like this, "Most of Hindus are

> poor. The rich Hindu minority has no broad mind to sacrifice to

poor

> fellow Hindus. Neither you help the poor people of Hinduism, nor

> allow them to get help from broad-minded rich Christians. Majority

> of Christians are rich and also are broad-minded. Why do you worry?

> The Hindu did not become atheist by becoming Christian. Only his

> external dress is changed. He changed just his shirt only and you

> need not worry about this."

>

> I wish every human being in this world to recognize the underlying

> common basis of all the religions, which is the Universal

> Spirituality.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> posted by: surya

> http://www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Surya,

> >

> > Even I have read only one line every 10 lines of Your essay.

> > Lot of conversions are carried out by missionaries, who

> > tempt poor people with little money, some small items and

> > colourful bibles.

>

>

> Prashantkumar G B

>

> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

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> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

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Dear Bhaskar ji

 

One very interesting thing, which jyotishis are misguiding - Suppose a person is worshipping Lord Vishnu from its birth and he visits astrologer and for moon, he is suggested worshipping of shiva. Now when, his own god after worship of Vishnu has not relieved him (assuming his faith is constant factor), then how could change of God (now Shiva)..can relieve him from the troubles. What I meant to express is that - even for remedies for any planet, native must stick to his faith. These quick fix through change in God - will not help the native; and adding multiple Gods for help, will also not help!!

 

This is a very serious statement, and is a big queston mark on the entire remedial system. I am not atheist and just suggesting that, one must continue to keep faith on his Ishta, and that is the real test of his faith.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:06:22 -0000

>

> Re: Nature of Lord is Nature of Teacher 12/8 p6

>

> Dear john,

>

> Good reading.

> Personally I do not believe that there are different Gods up there.

> It is only due to regional and cultural differences that God has

> manifested himself in different forms or through messengers in

> various physical regions to guide the people from time to time and

> the sections thus formed due to various regions (Geographical Areas)

> worshipping various manifestations have after centuries

> passing,developed into different religions worshipping different Gods

> by the people living on Earth.

> So every thing works smoothly until some smart person tries to push

> his religion or ideologies related to spiritual practises, onto

> others who are worshipping different apparent Gods, and this pushing

> is done by invasions & force(In India by Mughals) or present day

> tempting the poor sections of any particular society by money,

> gifts or false promises.

>

> Otherwise the world is a beautiful place to live in.

>

> Examples You gave are good, but no true religious person will ever

> say to another human being that "Worship My God". This does not

> happen in real life.

>

> Listening to ones conscience is always the best if one does not

> believe in religion or the norms set by that religion, because the

> heart is the seat of God, or we may say the part of God in us-Soul.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In , John Aldrich

> <johnaldrichinc wrote:

>>

>> I went to achristian priest and said I want to worship God, show me

> God and he said,worship only my God. I asked him why and he said, if

> you worship anyone else you will go to hell.

>>

>>

>> Then I went to a muslim Mullah and said show me God I want to

> worship Him and he said, thou shall not worship anyone else, because

> if you do so then you will go to hell.

>>

>> Then I went to a Hindu priest and asked him show me God, and he

> said, you will worship only my Gods and when I asked him why, he

> said, if you worship anyone else, you will go to hell.

>>

>> Then I went to the Buddhist monk and asked him please show me God

> and he said, you will worship only my God, if not, you will go to

> hell.

>>

>> I came, and sat down and had a major turmoil within me. I decided

> to trust everyone. the christian, the muslim, the Hindu and the

> Buddhist because all of them looked so divine and holy. I realised I

> may landup in the hell. And so I said let them go to hell. I do not

> want to.

>>

>> Then I introspected and found that God is here within me, in my

> inner conscience. Gentlemen, let me tell you I am experiencing heaven

> on earth by following my conscience and the directives of my

> conscience. It does not matter who the God is. When my conscience

> clears my directions I follow it. Let all go to hell. I know I will

> not go to hell because I do not worship whom others have said, if I

> do, will go to hell. I need to trust everyone you see.

>>

>> So I know I will not go to hell because I follow my conscience.

> ANyone wanna join, you are welcome to follow not my conscience but

> your conscience .

>>

>> Cheers

>>

>> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

>> Surya,

>> if u did try sure u have failed then

>>

>> If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

>> him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

>> which is the external religion

>> this is a fact and the hatred the converts have to other faith sis

> horrible i am not against wharever conversion by free will NOT money.

>>

>> and these say in famlies one has conveted others not yet also they

> neither eat, drink saying u wud have offered ur fodo to ur god....!

> there is air of arrogence an dsuperiority that needs to be addressed

> by people like u who claim more than delvier

>> we r ordinary souls who don't have the time or resoruces [spoirtual

> as u have] so do it and show u can stop the mad conversio and thius

> hate also the conversion removes the national identity their faith

> por nationality is in WEST ASIA both minorities one swells in

> multpying numbers and other by conversion by money.

>> and by standers of other faiths get killed in cross fires.

>>

>> have u not seen the Danish cartton between the 2 mega monolith

> religions the distruction they bring, so show ur energy there we

> accept any god here no prob.

>>

>> HERE ASTRO Or none.......!

>>

>>

>>

>> surya <dattapr2000 wrote: I am neither Hindu nor Christian. I

> belong to Universal

>> Spirituality, which means that I am a true Hindu and therefore

>> simultaneously a true Christian. I like to question the conversion

>> being done is whether based on conversion of religion or

>> spirituality. If it is religious conversion, I am not interested in

>> the topic. If it is a spiritual conversion, there is no need

> because

>> all religions have the same spirituality. Religion is only an

>> external dress and spirituality is the same person present in all

>> the types of dress. If the religious conversion is aimed at a

>> political background by which a religion wants to increase its

>> number and thus wants to have a single kingdom of Christians or

>> Hindus, there is no spirituality. When Jesus thought of spreading

>> the kingdom of God, a revolutionist thought that Jesus was aiming

> to

>> remove the Roman Government and establish Jewish rule, Jesus

> refused

>> to join hands with that revolutionist.

>>

>> Only minority indicates real spirituality only to reach God as said

>> by both Jesus and Krishna. Jesus told that the path leading towards

>> Him is very narrow. Krishna told in Gita that one in millions only

>> can reach Him. Therefore, the minority is supported by the Lord and

>> not the majority. Quality lies in minority only and not in

> majority.

>> Jesus told that wherever two or three people associate to praise

> the

>> Lord, the Lord dwells there. This indicates a qualitative minority

>> and not ignorant majority. You say that Hindus are worried about

> the

>> conversion of Hindus into Christians. But I find at least a few

>> Christians are also converted in to Hindus. Perhaps, the Hindu is

>> worried since both the rates of conversions are not equal. If your

>> worry is based on this point, you are not against the concept of

>> conversion. If you are against the concept of conversion, you

> should

>> not have agreed to convert Christians into Hindus also.

>>

>> If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

>> him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

>> which is the external religion. The internal spirituality remains

>> same and therefore you have done only external conversion but not

>> the internal conversion. Since spirituality in both religions

>> remains the same, you have not converted him at all. You have

> plenty

>> of money and broad mind to sacrifice. You help the poor Hindu

>> because he is a poor theist. He is not atheist." On the same

>> occasion I advise the Hindu also like this, "Most of Hindus are

>> poor. The rich Hindu minority has no broad mind to sacrifice to

> poor

>> fellow Hindus. Neither you help the poor people of Hinduism, nor

>> allow them to get help from broad-minded rich Christians. Majority

>> of Christians are rich and also are broad-minded. Why do you worry?

>> The Hindu did not become atheist by becoming Christian. Only his

>> external dress is changed. He changed just his shirt only and you

>> need not worry about this."

>>

>> I wish every human being in this world to recognize the underlying

>> common basis of all the religions, which is the Universal

>> Spirituality.

>>

>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

>> posted by: surya

>> http://www.universal-spirituality.org

>>

>> "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

>>>

>>> Surya,

>>>

>>> Even I have read only one line every 10 lines of Your essay.

>>> Lot of conversions are carried out by missionaries, who

>>> tempt poor people with little money, some small items and

>>> colourful bibles.

>>

>>

>> Prashantkumar G B

>>

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> group but

>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

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Dear John

 

Without commenting on your intent of mail (??), let me question the facts itself -

 

Firstly, no religion says that following other faith is gateway to hell. Your entire hypothesis to self realiszation has fallacy.

 

Secondly - the person who pursues any faith (in any god or multiplicity of gods for the sake of arguments),does not lead to gateway of hell. So this assumption is self conceived and has fallacy. Heaven and hell have more to do with karma, than to anything else.

 

Thirdly - the dependence upon self conscience is not necessarily the gateway to heaven. I am happy killing some one (based upon my self conscience with or without faith in question), then am I entitled to self realization?? Having god within - is the highest meditative stage, and hypothetical too for the people, who are questioning the very faith of any religion. Even the religions like Budhism, where self realization is the process for moksha, it wants the test of faith (again not on pure conscience - the budhism ask for lot many things more than self conscience).

 

Religion helps native in developing, sustaining and nurturing the faith. It helps in building the discipline (not necessarily the rituals). The basis of gateway to heaven will always be karma and pure conscience driven living is one of the factor, not the means in totality. and if an individual can feel that, he need not adhere to any such discipline, then perhaps he is already reached to self realization process..or he does not believe in God too (as this stage has lots of challenges from EGO itself).

 

Coming to astrology, it is the karmic balances, which sets the stage. Yes , self realization quickens the enire process.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

 

>

> johnaldrichinc

> Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:45:45 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: Nature of Lord is Nature of Teacher 12/8 p6

>

> I went to achristian priest and said I want to worship God, show me God

> and he said,worship only my God. I asked him why and he said, if you

> worship anyone else you will go to hell.

>

>

> Then I went to a muslim Mullah and said show me God I want to worship

> Him and he said, thou shall not worship anyone else, because if you do so

> then you will go to hell.

>

> Then I went to a Hindu priest and asked him show me God, and he said,

> you will worship only my Gods and when I asked him why, he said, if you

> worship anyone else, you will go to hell.

>

> Then I went to the Buddhist monk and asked him please show me God and

> he said, you will worship only my God, if not, you will go to hell.

>

> I came, and sat down and had a major turmoil within me. I decided to

> trust everyone. the christian, the muslim, the Hindu and the Buddhist

> because all of them looked so divine and holy. I realised I may landup in

> the hell. And so I said let them go to hell. I do not want to.

>

> Then I introspected and found that God is here within me, in my inner

> conscience. Gentlemen, let me tell you I am experiencing heaven on earth

> by following my conscience and the directives of my conscience. It does

> not matter who the God is. When my conscience clears my directions I

> follow it. Let all go to hell. I know I will not go to hell because I do

> not worship whom others have said, if I do, will go to hell. I need to

> trust everyone you see.

>

> So I know I will not go to hell because I follow my conscience. ANyone

> wanna join, you are welcome to follow not my conscience but your

> conscience .

>

> Cheers

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote:

> Surya,

> if u did try sure u have failed then

>

> If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

> him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

> which is the external religion

> this is a fact and the hatred the converts have to other faith sis

> horrible i am not against wharever conversion by free will NOT money.

>

> and these say in famlies one has conveted others not yet also they

> neither eat, drink saying u wud have offered ur fodo to ur god....! there

> is air of arrogence an dsuperiority that needs to be addressed by people

> like u who claim more than delvier

> we r ordinary souls who don't have the time or resoruces [spoirtual as u

> have] so do it and show u can stop the mad conversio and thius hate also

> the conversion removes the national identity their faith por nationality

> is in WEST ASIA both minorities one swells in multpying numbers and other

> by conversion by money.

> and by standers of other faiths get killed in cross fires.

>

> have u not seen the Danish cartton between the 2 mega monolith religions

> the distruction they bring, so show ur energy there we accept any god

> here no prob.

>

> HERE ASTRO Or none.......!

>

>

>

> surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: I am neither Hindu nor Christian. I

> belong to Universal

> Spirituality, which means that I am a true Hindu and therefore

> simultaneously a true Christian. I like to question the conversion

> being done is whether based on conversion of religion or

> spirituality. If it is religious conversion, I am not interested in

> the topic. If it is a spiritual conversion, there is no need because

> all religions have the same spirituality. Religion is only an

> external dress and spirituality is the same person present in all

> the types of dress. If the religious conversion is aimed at a

> political background by which a religion wants to increase its

> number and thus wants to have a single kingdom of Christians or

> Hindus, there is no spirituality. When Jesus thought of spreading

> the kingdom of God, a revolutionist thought that Jesus was aiming to

> remove the Roman Government and establish Jewish rule, Jesus refused

> to join hands with that revolutionist.

>

> Only minority indicates real spirituality only to reach God as said

> by both Jesus and Krishna. Jesus told that the path leading towards

> Him is very narrow. Krishna told in Gita that one in millions only

> can reach Him. Therefore, the minority is supported by the Lord and

> not the majority. Quality lies in minority only and not in majority.

> Jesus told that wherever two or three people associate to praise the

> Lord, the Lord dwells there. This indicates a qualitative minority

> and not ignorant majority. You say that Hindus are worried about the

> conversion of Hindus into Christians. But I find at least a few

> Christians are also converted in to Hindus. Perhaps, the Hindu is

> worried since both the rates of conversions are not equal. If your

> worry is based on this point, you are not against the concept of

> conversion. If you are against the concept of conversion, you should

> not have agreed to convert Christians into Hindus also.

>

> If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

> him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

> which is the external religion. The internal spirituality remains

> same and therefore you have done only external conversion but not

> the internal conversion. Since spirituality in both religions

> remains the same, you have not converted him at all. You have plenty

> of money and broad mind to sacrifice. You help the poor Hindu

> because he is a poor theist. He is not atheist." On the same

> occasion I advise the Hindu also like this, "Most of Hindus are

> poor. The rich Hindu minority has no broad mind to sacrifice to poor

> fellow Hindus. Neither you help the poor people of Hinduism, nor

> allow them to get help from broad-minded rich Christians. Majority

> of Christians are rich and also are broad-minded. Why do you worry?

> The Hindu did not become atheist by becoming Christian. Only his

> external dress is changed. He changed just his shirt only and you

> need not worry about this."

>

> I wish every human being in this world to recognize the underlying

> common basis of all the religions, which is the Universal

> Spirituality.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> posted by: surya

> http://www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>>

>> Surya,

>>

>> Even I have read only one line every 10 lines of Your essay.

>> Lot of conversions are carried out by missionaries, who

>> tempt poor people with little money, some small items and

>> colourful bibles.

>

>

> Prashantkumar G B

>

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> but

> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

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John,

I guess u worte this more from imagnation than experience , if it is really so u won;t have the p

the best part i retain here

Aham Brahma Asmi [or I am Brahma or God] is part of Hinduism

from these lines... U SAID TOO I introspected and found that God is here within me, in my inner conscience. Gentlemen, let me tell you I am experiencing heaven on earth by following my conscience and the directives of my conscience. It does not matter who the God is. When my conscience clears my directions I follow it.

Hindus NEVER SAY, if u dont worship our gods u go to hell as it has different strams of faiths who worship, plants, animals, snakes, apart from different dieties; sure this r part of only religions that share OLD TESTAMENT noneothers.-going to tell if u don't ....

Budhism, Jainism, siekhism etc also don't do this

and CRUSADES and its sequal Jihad are part of the Old testmant family who belive in numbers, voilence, and HEGEMONY only.

can u show a single country Invaded by any Indian king [hindu], buddhist beyond what we call Bharatha Varshe, Bharath Khande or sub continet and converted any ones faith by force, rape, torture, taxes etc? just last 1000 yrs will do, u can go beyond if u want to.

TILL TODAY HINDUS R DYIGN UNDER old testmenat family hatred, crimes. and the AP , CM's role in having a total christian admin , CM, GOVERNER, POLICES CHIEF, heads of as many depts, colleges, worse in TTD temple town univesity Dy Principal was a christian who replaced the temple deities portrait by chirsts and also distributed pamplets asking peopel to convert in the temple quee will this be allowed ia any other religious place?

I AM NOT AGAINST CONCERSION IF THEY DO ON THEIR OWN, NOT BY MONEY, FORCE, MISLEADING, AND RESULTS IN HATRED OF OTHERS OR THEIR OLD FAITH.

what loyalty they have if money is a factor.

as said in earlier post.

I want to add also there was a survey by BBC on major religions if they will kill for their religion 96% Muslims 94% christians 91% Jews, 42$ Hindus, 26 % Buddhists said they will.

and the Hindus if they surveyed may be VHP, BAJRANG DAL guys sure avg Hindu will die like a coward, no ressistance or capacity to defend his faith.. if u v their history for ages.

 

John Aldrich <johnaldrichinc > wrote: I went to achristian priest and said I want to worship God, show me God and he said,worship only my God. I asked him why and he said, if you worship anyone else you will go to hell.

Then I went to a muslim Mullah and said show me God I want to worship Him and he said, thou shall not worship anyone else, because if you do so then you will go to hell.

Then I went to a Hindu priest and asked him show me God, and he said, you will worship only my Gods and when I asked him why, he said, if you worship anyone else, you will go to hell.

Then I went to the Buddhist monk and asked him please show me God and he said, you will worship only my God, if not, you will go to hell.

I came, and sat down and had a major turmoil within me. I decided to trust everyone. the christian, the muslim, the Hindu and the Buddhist because all of them looked so divine and holy. I realised I may landup in the hell. And so I said let them go to hell. I do not want to.

Then I introspected and found that God is here within me, in my inner conscience. Gentlemen, let me tell you I am experiencing heaven on earth by following my conscience and the directives of my conscience. It does not matter who the God is. When my conscience clears my directions I follow it. Let all go to hell. I know I will not go to hell because I do not worship whom others have said, if I do, will go to hell. I need to trust everyone you see.

So I know I will not go to hell because I follow my conscience. ANyone wanna join, you are welcome to follow not my conscience but your conscience .

Cheers

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote:

Surya,

if u did try sure u have failed then

If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

which is the external religion

this is a fact and the hatred the converts have to other faith sis horrible i am not against wharever conversion by free will NOT money.

and these say in famlies one has conveted others not yet also they neither eat, drink saying u wud have offered ur fodo to ur god....! there is air of arrogence an dsuperiority that needs to be addressed by people like u who claim more than delvier

we r ordinary souls who don't have the time or resoruces [spoirtual as u have] so do it and show u can stop the mad conversio and thius hate also the conversion removes the national identity their faith por nationality is in WEST ASIA both minorities one swells in multpying numbers and other by conversion by money.

and by standers of other faiths get killed in cross fires.

have u not seen the Danish cartton between the 2 mega monolith religions the distruction they bring, so show ur energy there we accept any god here no prob.

HERE ASTRO Or none.......!

surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: I am neither Hindu nor Christian. I belong to Universal

Spirituality, which means that I am a true Hindu and therefore

simultaneously a true Christian. I like to question the conversion

being done is whether based on conversion of religion or

spirituality. If it is religious conversion, I am not interested in

the topic. If it is a spiritual conversion, there is no need because

all religions have the same spirituality. Religion is only an

external dress and spirituality is the same person present in all

the types of dress. If the religious conversion is aimed at a

political background by which a religion wants to increase its

number and thus wants to have a single kingdom of Christians or

Hindus, there is no spirituality. When Jesus thought of spreading

the kingdom of God, a revolutionist thought that Jesus was aiming to

remove the Roman Government and establish Jewish rule, Jesus refused

to join hands with that revolutionist.

Only minority indicates real spirituality only to reach God as said

by both Jesus and Krishna. Jesus told that the path leading towards

Him is very narrow. Krishna told in Gita that one in millions only

can reach Him. Therefore, the minority is supported by the Lord and

not the majority. Quality lies in minority only and not in majority.

Jesus told that wherever two or three people associate to praise the

Lord, the Lord dwells there. This indicates a qualitative minority

and not ignorant majority. You say that Hindus are worried about the

conversion of Hindus into Christians. But I find at least a few

Christians are also converted in to Hindus. Perhaps, the Hindu is

worried since both the rates of conversions are not equal. If your

worry is based on this point, you are not against the concept of

conversion. If you are against the concept of conversion, you should

not have agreed to convert Christians into Hindus also.

If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

which is the external religion. The internal spirituality remains

same and therefore you have done only external conversion but not

the internal conversion. Since spirituality in both religions

remains the same, you have not converted him at all. You have plenty

of money and broad mind to sacrifice. You help the poor Hindu

because he is a poor theist. He is not atheist." On the same

occasion I advise the Hindu also like this, "Most of Hindus are

poor. The rich Hindu minority has no broad mind to sacrifice to poor

fellow Hindus. Neither you help the poor people of Hinduism, nor

allow them to get help from broad-minded rich Christians. Majority

of Christians are rich and also are broad-minded. Why do you worry?

The Hindu did not become atheist by becoming Christian. Only his

external dress is changed. He changed just his shirt only and you

need not worry about this."

I wish every human being in this world to recognize the underlying

common basis of all the religions, which is the Universal

Spirituality.

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

posted by: surya

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

"bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Surya,

>

> Even I have read only one line every 10 lines of Your essay.

> Lot of conversions are carried out by missionaries, who

> tempt poor people with little money, some small items and

> colourful bibles.

Prashantkumar G B

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Dear Shri Kumar ji

 

In the name of religion conversion, missionary movements are harming the nation and political system. Ajit Jogi did promote these in Chattisgarh,bit fortunately VHP / Bajrang Dal has done good job in northern / western India to bring back the majority of them.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

 

 

>

> gbp_kumar

> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:07:02 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: Nature of Lord is Nature of Teacher 13/8 p2

>

> Hi Prafulla, John

> these lines John said is new to non OT=Old testament family-Jews,

> Christianity and Islam

> the joke doing the rounds is

> Hinduism [and its clones] are GOD VER 0, Jews ver 1, Christianity 2 and

> Islam 3 the latest and greatest.

>

> and the OT lineage does say if u don't pray to our god u';ve NOT seen

> god so u go to hell

> in the past 10 yrs we have seen in AP Churches say to the faithful vote

> for any candidate, part Sonia supports or is with and she is a

> representative of God and u will go to heaven, I've pointed this to many

> even leters to editors, that Naidu will never win 2004 for this reason

> apart from using Naxals to block Naidu's rallies YSR the CM used his

> christian folks for yrs to cultivate his vote bank and u can bet as long

> as YSR is alive no other Cong men can come leave alone NAIIDU's good

> work bringing him back and every subsequent by poll,or local body polls

> have show u this only.

>

> this will soon catch up in MP, rajasthan, karnataka as TN, KERALA, WB

> are already in it, WB has good Bangla deshis so has amix WB, BIHAR, UP,

> MAHARASHTRA will vote for the crescent and the rest for the cross.

>

> in the name of HELL

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

> Dear John

>

> Without commenting on your intent of mail (??), let me question the

> facts itself -

>

> Firstly, no religion says that following other faith is gateway to hell.

> Your entire hypothesis to self realiszation has fallacy.

>

> Secondly - the person who pursues any faith (in any god or multiplicity

> of gods for the sake of arguments),does not lead to gateway of hell. So

> this assumption is self conceived and has fallacy. Heaven and hell have

> more to do with karma, than to anything else.

>

> Thirdly - the dependence upon self conscience is not necessarily the

> gateway to heaven. I am happy killing some one (based upon my self

> conscience with or without faith in question), then am I entitled to

> self realization?? Having god within - is the highest meditative stage,

> and hypothetical too for the people, who are questioning the very faith

> of any religion. Even the religions like Budhism, where self realization

> is the process for moksha, it wants the test of faith (again not on pure

> conscience - the budhism ask for lot many things more than self

> conscience).

>

> Religion helps native in developing, sustaining and nurturing the

> faith. It helps in building the discipline (not necessarily the

> rituals). The basis of gateway to heaven will always be karma and pure

> conscience driven living is one of the factor, not the means in

> totality. and if an individual can feel that, he need not adhere to any

> such discipline, then perhaps he is already reached to self realization

> process..or he does not believe in God too (as this stage has lots of

> challenges from EGO itself).

>

> Coming to astrology, it is the karmic balances, which sets the stage.

> Yes , self realization quickens the enire process.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting

> otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

>

> >

> > johnaldrichinc

> > Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:45:45 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > Re: Nature of Lord is Nature of Teacher 12/8 p6

> >

> > I went to achristian priest and said I want to worship God, show me

> God

> > and he said,worship only my God. I asked him why and he said, if you

> > worship anyone else you will go to hell.

> >

> >

> > Then I went to a muslim Mullah and said show me God I want to

> worship

> > Him and he said, thou shall not worship anyone else, because if you

> do so

> > then you will go to hell.

> >

> > Then I went to a Hindu priest and asked him show me God, and he

> said,

> > you will worship only my Gods and when I asked him why, he said, if

> you

> > worship anyone else, you will go to hell.

> >

> > Then I went to the Buddhist monk and asked him please show me God

> and

> > he said, you will worship only my God, if not, you will go to hell.

> >

> > I came, and sat down and had a major turmoil within me. I decided

> to

> > trust everyone. the christian, the muslim, the Hindu and the Buddhist

> > because all of them looked so divine and holy. I realised I may

> landup in

> > the hell. And so I said let them go to hell. I do not want to.

> >

> > Then I introspected and found that God is here within me, in my

> inner

> > conscience. Gentlemen, let me tell you I am experiencing heaven on

> earth

> > by following my conscience and the directives of my conscience. It

> does

> > not matter who the God is. When my conscience clears my directions I

> > follow it. Let all go to hell. I know I will not go to hell because I

> do

> > not worship whom others have said, if I do, will go to hell. I need

> to

> > trust everyone you see.

> >

> > So I know I will not go to hell because I follow my conscience.

> ANyone

> > wanna join, you are welcome to follow not my conscience but your

> > conscience .

> >

> > Cheers

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote:

> > Surya,

> > if u did try sure u have failed then

> >

> > If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

> > him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

> > which is the external religion

> > this is a fact and the hatred the converts have to other faith sis

> > horrible i am not against wharever conversion by free will NOT money.

> >

> > and these say in famlies one has conveted others not yet also they

> > neither eat, drink saying u wud have offered ur fodo to ur god....!

> there

> > is air of arrogence an dsuperiority that needs to be addressed by

> people

> > like u who claim more than delvier

> > we r ordinary souls who don't have the time or resoruces [spoirtual

> as u

> > have] so do it and show u can stop the mad conversio and thius hate

> also

> > the conversion removes the national identity their faith por

> nationality

> > is in WEST ASIA both minorities one swells in multpying numbers and

> other

> > by conversion by money.

> > and by standers of other faiths get killed in cross fires.

> >

> > have u not seen the Danish cartton between the 2 mega monolith

> religions

> > the distruction they bring, so show ur energy there we accept any god

> > here no prob.

> >

> > HERE ASTRO Or none.......!

> >

> >

> >

> > surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: I am neither Hindu nor

> Christian. I

> > belong to Universal

> > Spirituality, which means that I am a true Hindu and therefore

> > simultaneously a true Christian. I like to question the conversion

> > being done is whether based on conversion of religion or

> > spirituality. If it is religious conversion, I am not interested in

> > the topic. If it is a spiritual conversion, there is no need because

> > all religions have the same spirituality. Religion is only an

> > external dress and spirituality is the same person present in all

> > the types of dress. If the religious conversion is aimed at a

> > political background by which a religion wants to increase its

> > number and thus wants to have a single kingdom of Christians or

> > Hindus, there is no spirituality. When Jesus thought of spreading

> > the kingdom of God, a revolutionist thought that Jesus was aiming to

> > remove the Roman Government and establish Jewish rule, Jesus refused

> > to join hands with that revolutionist.

> >

> > Only minority indicates real spirituality only to reach God as said

> > by both Jesus and Krishna. Jesus told that the path leading towards

> > Him is very narrow. Krishna told in Gita that one in millions only

> > can reach Him. Therefore, the minority is supported by the Lord and

> > not the majority. Quality lies in minority only and not in majority.

> > Jesus told that wherever two or three people associate to praise the

> > Lord, the Lord dwells there. This indicates a qualitative minority

> > and not ignorant majority. You say that Hindus are worried about the

> > conversion of Hindus into Christians. But I find at least a few

> > Christians are also converted in to Hindus. Perhaps, the Hindu is

> > worried since both the rates of conversions are not equal. If your

> > worry is based on this point, you are not against the concept of

> > conversion. If you are against the concept of conversion, you should

> > not have agreed to convert Christians into Hindus also.

> >

> > If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise

> > him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture

> > which is the external religion. The internal spirituality remains

> > same and therefore you have done only external conversion but not

> > the internal conversion. Since spirituality in both religions

> > remains the same, you have not converted him at all. You have plenty

> > of money and broad mind to sacrifice. You help the poor Hindu

> > because he is a poor theist. He is not atheist." On the same

> > occasion I advise the Hindu also like this, "Most of Hindus are

> > poor. The rich Hindu minority has no broad mind to sacrifice to poor

> > fellow Hindus. Neither you help the poor people of Hinduism, nor

> > allow them to get help from broad-minded rich Christians. Majority

> > of Christians are rich and also are broad-minded. Why do you worry?

> > The Hindu did not become atheist by becoming Christian. Only his

> > external dress is changed. He changed just his shirt only and you

> > need not worry about this."

> >

> > I wish every human being in this world to recognize the underlying

> > common basis of all the religions, which is the Universal

> > Spirituality.

> >

> > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> > posted by: surya

> > http://www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> > "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >>

> >> Surya,

> >>

> >> Even I have read only one line every 10 lines of Your essay.

> >> Lot of conversions are carried out by missionaries, who

> >> tempt poor people with little money, some small items and

> >> colourful bibles.

> >

> >

> > Prashantkumar G B

> >

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In the universe, God expressed Himself in a single form in every

religion. In Christianity, there is only one expressed form i.e.

Jesus. In Islam, there is only one expressed form i.e. Allah or

Mohammad. But in Hindu religion, there are different expressed forms

of God like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Diversity in the forms of God is only

the first point in Hindu religion. The next point is the unity in

all these forms that also exists in Hindu religion. People are

criticizing the Hindu religion showing only the first point. Why

don't they see the second point? The concept is not complete by the

first point. Now, the question comes, "Why should there be diversity

at all and make the unnecessary effort to bring the unity? Why

Hinduism is not having a single form of God as in Christianity or

Islam?" All right. Let us assume that there is a single form in

Hindu religion and let us assume that Vishnu is that single form.

Then, does this solve the problem when you take the entire world?

Now, there are three forms of God i.e. Jesus, Allah or Mohammad and

Vishnu. Now, if you take the world as your system for studying, is

there a single form of God for the entire world? Even if we solve

the problem at micro level i.e. Hinduism, but the same problem is

appearing at the macro level i.e. the world. The solution at macro

level is very important than at the micro level because in India,

wars never took place between the followers of Vishnu and the

followers of Shiva. But in the world, wars have taken place and are

still taking place between the followers of Islam, Christianity,

Hinduism etc .The problem at the micro level never disturbed the

peace. But, the problem at macro level always disturbed the peace of

the world.

 

To use a medicine on human beings at macro level, it is first tested

in the laboratory on a micro system like a rabbit. When the medicine

is proved in the case of the rabbit, it is administered to all the

human beings. Similarly, the concept developed in the unity of

various forms of God in Hinduism should be taken totally by all

religions in the world. As the medicine cured the disease of the

rabbit, it cures the same disease in all the human beings.

Similarly, the knowledge of unity of various sub-religions in the

Hindu religion should be applied as it is to the case of all the

universal religions. This knowledge is the medicine. The fanatic is

the disease. This knowledge not only cures various fanatics in the

Hindu religion, but also cures the various fanatics of religions in

the world. In fact, there is only one God in Hinduism i.e. Lord

Datta who appears in various forms like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Actually,

God Datta purposely created the diversity in the forms of God in

Hinduism to teach the unity in diversity in all the religions in the

world. This is just like a mini model prepared to represent the

entire world. The same design in the mini model appears as a huge

building when constructed. Similarly, the concept in Hinduism is the

message for the entire universe. Lord Datta is the teacher for the

world. A teacher praises his student in one subject and praises

another student in another subject. He will ask them to help each

other. Similarly, India should learn the sacrifice from abroad and

the rest of the world should learn about unity in diversity from

India.

 

One has to take the good aspect from every religion. I do not belong

to any religion but belong equally to all the religions. I do not

support or condemn any religion blindly. I pick up the pearls from

all the oceans. I criticize Hinduism for several points like not

doing the sacrifice of money or work for God, caste system etc. As

per the point of unity in diversity is concerned, I praise Indians.

I criticize the rest of the world. So, irrespective of the name of

the religion, one has to pick up the good points from every

religion. Are you rejecting the diamond from a foreign country?

Diamond is a diamond anywhere in the world. You cannot differentiate

an Indian diamond and a foreign diamond. The logic in the unity of

Hinduism is based on the same God appearing in various forms and

qualities to satisfy the tastes of different people when He comes in

human form. The nature of Vishnu is `Sattvam' i.e. soft nature. So,

soft people like Vishnu. The nature of Shiva is `Tamas' i.e.

emotional nature. People of such nature like Shiva. When there is

synchrony in nature of the devotee and the human form of God, the

attraction and adaptability is more. Then the message of God to that

human form reaches the devotee easily. The message is same but the

forms of God are different. The same milk is given in different

types of cups. Somebody likes a ceramic cup and somebody likes a

glass cup. The form of God is as per your liking, but the divine

message preached by all forms of God is the same. It is just like

the same syllabus present in different language mediums. The unity

in diversity in Hinduism is actually practiced by almost all the

people. In every house, people celebrate the festival of Vishnu and

the festival of Shiva. In every house, the photos of almost all the

forms of Hindu God are worshipped in India.

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

John Aldrich <johnaldrichinc wrote:

> I went to achristian priest and said I want to worship God, show

me God and he said,worship only my God. I asked him why and he said,

if you worship anyone else you will go to hell.

> Then I went to a muslim Mullah and said show me God I want to

worship Him and he said, thou shall not worship anyone else, because

if you do so then you will go to hell.

> Then I went to a Hindu priest and asked him show me God, and he

said, you will worship only my Gods and when I asked him why, he

said, if you worship anyone else, you will go to hell.

> Then I went to the Buddhist monk and asked him please show me

God and he said, you will worship only my God, if not, you will go

to hell.

> So I know I will not go to hell because I follow my conscience.

ANyone wanna join, you are welcome to follow not my conscience but

your conscience .

> Cheers

[Guest guest]

Surya

if this is so simple why do we haveso many deaths inW ASIA, IRAQ, th Britan failed blasts Mumbai blasts use ur brians don't live in fools paradise and self deception rather public distruction if u bleive what u say fine keep it to urself in the name of religion not in our borders people r killing one day ur datta will also be, then say same.

 

surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: In the universe, God expressed Himself in a single form in every

religion. In Christianity, there is only one expressed form i.e.

Jesus. In Islam, there is only one expressed form i.e. Allah or

Mohammad. But in Hindu religion, there are different expressed forms

of God like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Diversity in the forms of God is only

the first point in Hindu religion. The next point is the unity in

all these forms that also exists in Hindu religion. People are

criticizing the Hindu religion showing only the first point. Why

don't they see the second point? The concept is not complete by the

first point. Now, the question comes, "Why should there be diversity

at all and make the unnecessary effort to bring the unity? Why

Hinduism is not having a single form of God as in Christianity or

Islam?" All right. Let us assume that there is a single form in

Hindu religion and let us assume that Vishnu is that single form.

Then, does this solve the problem when you take the entire world?

Now, there are three forms of God i.e. Jesus, Allah or Mohammad and

Vishnu. Now, if you take the world as your system for studying, is

there a single form of God for the entire world? Even if we solve

the problem at micro level i.e. Hinduism, but the same problem is

appearing at the macro level i.e. the world. The solution at macro

level is very important than at the micro level because in India,

wars never took place between the followers of Vishnu and the

followers of Shiva. But in the world, wars have taken place and are

still taking place between the followers of Islam, Christianity,

Hinduism etc .The problem at the micro level never disturbed the

peace. But, the problem at macro level always disturbed the peace of

the world.

To use a medicine on human beings at macro level, it is first tested

in the laboratory on a micro system like a rabbit. When the medicine

is proved in the case of the rabbit, it is administered to all the

human beings. Similarly, the concept developed in the unity of

various forms of God in Hinduism should be taken totally by all

religions in the world. As the medicine cured the disease of the

rabbit, it cures the same disease in all the human beings.

Similarly, the knowledge of unity of various sub-religions in the

Hindu religion should be applied as it is to the case of all the

universal religions. This knowledge is the medicine. The fanatic is

the disease. This knowledge not only cures various fanatics in the

Hindu religion, but also cures the various fanatics of religions in

the world. In fact, there is only one God in Hinduism i.e. Lord

Datta who appears in various forms like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Actually,

God Datta purposely created the diversity in the forms of God in

Hinduism to teach the unity in diversity in all the religions in the

world. This is just like a mini model prepared to represent the

entire world. The same design in the mini model appears as a huge

building when constructed. Similarly, the concept in Hinduism is the

message for the entire universe. Lord Datta is the teacher for the

world. A teacher praises his student in one subject and praises

another student in another subject. He will ask them to help each

other. Similarly, India should learn the sacrifice from abroad and

the rest of the world should learn about unity in diversity from

India.

One has to take the good aspect from every religion. I do not belong

to any religion but belong equally to all the religions. I do not

support or condemn any religion blindly. I pick up the pearls from

all the oceans. I criticize Hinduism for several points like not

doing the sacrifice of money or work for God, caste system etc. As

per the point of unity in diversity is concerned, I praise Indians.

I criticize the rest of the world. So, irrespective of the name of

the religion, one has to pick up the good points from every

religion. Are you rejecting the diamond from a foreign country?

Diamond is a diamond anywhere in the world. You cannot differentiate

an Indian diamond and a foreign diamond. The logic in the unity of

Hinduism is based on the same God appearing in various forms and

qualities to satisfy the tastes of different people when He comes in

human form. The nature of Vishnu is `Sattvam' i.e. soft nature. So,

soft people like Vishnu. The nature of Shiva is `Tamas' i.e.

emotional nature. People of such nature like Shiva. When there is

synchrony in nature of the devotee and the human form of God, the

attraction and adaptability is more. Then the message of God to that

human form reaches the devotee easily. The message is same but the

forms of God are different. The same milk is given in different

types of cups. Somebody likes a ceramic cup and somebody likes a

glass cup. The form of God is as per your liking, but the divine

message preached by all forms of God is the same. It is just like

the same syllabus present in different language mediums. The unity

in diversity in Hinduism is actually practiced by almost all the

people. In every house, people celebrate the festival of Vishnu and

the festival of Shiva. In every house, the photos of almost all the

forms of Hindu God are worshipped in India.

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

John Aldrich <johnaldrichinc wrote:

> I went to achristian priest and said I want to worship God, show

me God and he said,worship only my God. I asked him why and he said,

if you worship anyone else you will go to hell.

> Then I went to a muslim Mullah and said show me God I want to

worship Him and he said, thou shall not worship anyone else, because

if you do so then you will go to hell.

> Then I went to a Hindu priest and asked him show me God, and he

said, you will worship only my Gods and when I asked him why, he

said, if you worship anyone else, you will go to hell.

> Then I went to the Buddhist monk and asked him please show me

God and he said, you will worship only my God, if not, you will go

to hell.

> So I know I will not go to hell because I follow my conscience.

ANyone wanna join, you are welcome to follow not my conscience but

your conscience .

> Cheers

 

 

Prashantkumar G B

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The practical evidence shows that the devotees who identified and

served Lord (Satguru) only could go to the highest levels in the

spirituality. Ex: Hanuman, Gopikas, Vivekananda etc. Even normal

people consider them only as highest devotees but sofar could not

identify the concept behind it. Now Swamiji is revealing them.

 

Bhagavathgita says "Manushyaanam Sahasreshu….." which means that

millions of people will try to reach God but only one can reach God.

This means that the spiritual path is narrow with one or two

devotees only who can reach God. So you should not follow the

majority as example in spiritual path. Majority goes to Hell. Will

you also go to hell? Diamonds are in minority and gravel stones are

in majority. In worldly matters you can follow the majority. But in

spiritual line there is only one Jesus one Buddha one Sankara etc.,

If you are in the association of majority you will be polluted by

them since they induce the worldly poison through their

conversations. If you are in the association of the Satguru you will

be spiritually strengthened by His gospel.

 

Lord in human form exposes the hypocrisy in our devotion which

directly hits on our ego and results in commenting on Him. This ego

was in climax when human beings killed Jesus. Judas betrayed Jesus

(human incarnation) and suffered for it. Commenting a divine

preacher is a greatest sin. The divine preacher only removes our

ignorance and shows us the right path. Ofcourse truth is harsh.

 

One who always fears cannot do any sacrifice for the sake of Lord

even after any number of births. Problem complicates further in

accepting the true divine knowledge itself. Practice is after

acceptance and until and unless practiced, Lord will not be pleased

with you. Don't you think the blindness of the soul with the worldly

bonds goes on increasing with more and more no. of births spending

in such environment only? How difficult it is becoming day by day as

we strengthen family bonds? That much we are moving away from

salvation and Lord.

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Surya

> if this is so simple why do we haveso many deaths inW ASIA,

IRAQ, th Britan failed blasts Mumbai blasts use ur brians don't

live in fools paradise and self deception rather public distruction

if u bleive what u say fine keep it to urself in the name of

religion not in our borders people r killing one day ur datta will

also be, then say same.

[Guest guest]

Dear Surya,

 

Moral policying has been done on me by the Makers here,so

I cannot give replies befitting to You.

Though They could not influence You because every body does

not understand Mahatma Gandhis principles, or knowledge

lectures given to improper (apatara) subjects is not

going to create any thing positive.

Anyway these members are noble souls so I shall not comment on them.

Some people understand only

the ways of Shahid Bhagatsingh, Netaji or Sama Daam Danda Bhed.

None of these have been applied in this case hence the weeds cannot

be uprooted.

Therefore I have to mantain a tone with folded hands as if I am

the perpetrator.

We know about our religion and You need not explain in details

about the same continously to us.It is irritating.

Or else straightaway advertisement like other Tarot readers etc.

are doing is much acceptable.

So please focus on direct advertising rather than sermons.

I have to say this much only before blood rushes up, I will stop now.

But You too remove your plough from this land.

No fruits shall accrue of your liking here.

 

May You see light which 99% of the members have seen here.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> The practical evidence shows that the devotees who identified and

> served Lord (Satguru) only could go to the highest levels in the

> spirituality. Ex: Hanuman, Gopikas, Vivekananda etc. Even normal

> people consider them only as highest devotees but sofar could not

> identify the concept behind it. Now Swamiji is revealing them.

>

> Bhagavathgita says "Manushyaanam Sahasreshu….." which means that

> millions of people will try to reach God but only one can reach

God.

> This means that the spiritual path is narrow with one or two

> devotees only who can reach God. So you should not follow the

> majority as example in spiritual path. Majority goes to Hell. Will

> you also go to hell? Diamonds are in minority and gravel stones are

> in majority. In worldly matters you can follow the majority. But in

> spiritual line there is only one Jesus one Buddha one Sankara etc.,

> If you are in the association of majority you will be polluted by

> them since they induce the worldly poison through their

> conversations. If you are in the association of the Satguru you

will

> be spiritually strengthened by His gospel.

>

> Lord in human form exposes the hypocrisy in our devotion which

> directly hits on our ego and results in commenting on Him. This ego

> was in climax when human beings killed Jesus. Judas betrayed Jesus

> (human incarnation) and suffered for it. Commenting a divine

> preacher is a greatest sin. The divine preacher only removes our

> ignorance and shows us the right path. Ofcourse truth is harsh.

>

> One who always fears cannot do any sacrifice for the sake of Lord

> even after any number of births. Problem complicates further in

> accepting the true divine knowledge itself. Practice is after

> acceptance and until and unless practiced, Lord will not be pleased

> with you. Don't you think the blindness of the soul with the

worldly

> bonds goes on increasing with more and more no. of births spending

> in such environment only? How difficult it is becoming day by day

as

> we strengthen family bonds? That much we are moving away from

> salvation and Lord.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Surya

> > if this is so simple why do we haveso many deaths inW ASIA,

> IRAQ, th Britan failed blasts Mumbai blasts use ur brians don't

> live in fools paradise and self deception rather public

distruction

> if u bleive what u say fine keep it to urself in the name of

> religion not in our borders people r killing one day ur datta will

> also be, then say same.

>

[Guest guest]

surya

ui r damaging Hinduism, if u r banned sad, pl stop postign here, sad to see Hindus like me to ask fora ban on u, ur not olnly blind but highly insensitive creature.

 

surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: The practical evidence shows that the devotees who identified and

served Lord (Satguru) only could go to the highest levels in the

spirituality. Ex: Hanuman, Gopikas, Vivekananda etc. Even normal

people consider them only as highest devotees but sofar could not

identify the concept behind it. Now Swamiji is revealing them.

Bhagavathgita says "Manushyaanam Sahasreshu….." which means that

millions of people will try to reach God but only one can reach God.

This means that the spiritual path is narrow with one or two

devotees only who can reach God. So you should not follow the

majority as example in spiritual path. Majority goes to Hell. Will

you also go to hell? Diamonds are in minority and gravel stones are

in majority. In worldly matters you can follow the majority. But in

spiritual line there is only one Jesus one Buddha one Sankara etc.,

If you are in the association of majority you will be polluted by

them since they induce the worldly poison through their

conversations. If you are in the association of the Satguru you will

be spiritually strengthened by His gospel.

Lord in human form exposes the hypocrisy in our devotion which

directly hits on our ego and results in commenting on Him. This ego

was in climax when human beings killed Jesus. Judas betrayed Jesus

(human incarnation) and suffered for it. Commenting a divine

preacher is a greatest sin. The divine preacher only removes our

ignorance and shows us the right path. Ofcourse truth is harsh.

One who always fears cannot do any sacrifice for the sake of Lord

even after any number of births. Problem complicates further in

accepting the true divine knowledge itself. Practice is after

acceptance and until and unless practiced, Lord will not be pleased

with you. Don't you think the blindness of the soul with the worldly

bonds goes on increasing with more and more no. of births spending

in such environment only? How difficult it is becoming day by day as

we strengthen family bonds? That much we are moving away from

salvation and Lord.

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Surya

> if this is so simple why do we haveso many deaths inW ASIA,

IRAQ, th Britan failed blasts Mumbai blasts use ur brians don't

live in fools paradise and self deception rather public distruction

if u bleive what u say fine keep it to urself in the name of

religion not in our borders people r killing one day ur datta will

also be, then say same.

 

 

Prashantkumar G B

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off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

Please fix times for this in advance -*-

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Adi Shankara was killed by black magic by Purva mimamsakas, who are

Hindus only. Jesus was crucified by chiristian priests only. Lord

Krishna was cursed by Gandhari. Prophet Mohammed was also not

accepted and He had to fight with many people.

 

Shirdi sai was tried by an income tax officer to check His spending

and even His closest devotee Booti, thought of constructing a temple

of Krishna. Then Shirdi sai even asked him, 'am i not your Krishna?'

 

Truth is harsh and will not be liked by people. Contemporary human

incarnation was never accepted before and same history is repeating

now also.

 

The same mix of people existed in the past, are existing in the

present and will exist in future also. The only reason for all this

is EGOISM & JEALOUSY. These have to be crucified.

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> surya

> ui r damaging Hinduism, if u r banned sad, pl stop postign here,

sad to see Hindus like me to ask fora ban on u, ur not olnly blind

but highly insensitive creature.