Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Surya, I am sure u went into hiding for some time to cover up lack of stuff on astro when asked to contribute on astro. if u r here for not astro NO ONE CARES OR WILLREAD UR POST I just ran every 4-5th line in future may be 10th line then FORGET IT BLOCK it. eithir u stand up and delvier some astro reading to clients here or spend time at dattas. I wud pref u keep at least datta aline in AP where church is sweeping any for of Hinduism left in 2-3 yrs it will be another NAGALAND so datta will hav to find a place for u somewhere else. i can say this as Datta is not granting u astro wisdome yet. so at leat help him and do a door to door datta conversion in AP plz surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: Lord Datta is essentially a teacher. His very nature is the nature of a teacher. If you study the nature of teacher, you have understood the very nature of Datta. The aim of mother, father and teacher is only the welfare of the child. But, mother and father may become lenient due to their blind intensive love on the child. But, the love of a teacher (Guru) is never blind and is always aimed at the welfare of student. The love of father and mother may sometimes spoil the welfare of the child. Therefore, Datta treats all the living beings in the creation as His students and not as His issues. Therefore, the teacher is more than father and mother. The Lord created fruits for both good and bad actions. Why should He create a fruit for an action? Let there be acts without fruits. The child does mischief, but the mother or father does not punish. In that case, there is no fruit for that action. Similarly, let the Lord not punish our sins. If you expect like this, the answer is that the Lord does not behave like father or mother but behaves only as a teacher. The child gets spoiled if the mischief is tolerated. We are seeing this in the world. The teacher will never tolerate the spoiling of the child and therefore, He will not tolerate the mischief. God uses the fruits of your sins as punishments and the only aim is your welfare. This is the reason why Datta is always called as Guru Datta. Therefore, guru or teacher is greatest. The results of bad deeds are used as punishments to transform and uplift the student. Therefore, the result of a bad deed is very very useful for the transformation of the soul. The results of your good deeds are given to you just as a relaxation between two punishments. When He punishes systematically, He is called as Yama. In the interval when you receive happiness, He is Indra. Sometimes He gives severe punishments with roaring sound. He is called as Kala Bhairava at that time. The hell is the special equipment for punishment. The aim of the punishment is only the real welfare. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org Prashantkumar G B -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. Please fix times for this in advance -*- 09840051861 How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Surya, Even I have read only one line every 10 lines of Your essay. Lot of conversions are carried out by missionaries, who tempt poor people with little money, some small items and colourful bibles. Most of the converts in India are now having gigantic proportions in number, especially from Andhra, and this conversion is carried out since last more than 30 years or more. It is high time that people like You should concentrate there, to bring back those disoriented converts back to the Hindu fold. Here in this Forum all are already religious 99%, maybe the degree differs, but all believe in their Gods. Therefore request You to please help the mankind and those who have been misdirected, so that your energies are not wasted. Next time even I may read only one line at the start or end or not even read your post ie.ignore the same. Bhaskar. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Surya, > I am sure u went into hiding for some time to cover up lack of stuff on astro when asked to contribute on astro. > if u r here for not astro NO ONE CARES OR WILLREAD UR POST I just ran every 4-5th line in future may be 10th line then FORGET IT BLOCK it. > > eithir u stand up and delvier some astro reading to clients here or spend time at dattas. > I wud pref u keep at least datta aline in AP where church is sweeping any for of Hinduism left in 2-3 yrs it will be another NAGALAND so datta will hav to find a place for u somewhere else. > > i can say this as Datta is not granting u astro wisdome yet. so at leat help him and do a door to door datta conversion in AP plz > > > > surya <dattapr2000 wrote: Lord Datta is essentially a teacher. His very nature is the nature > of a teacher. If you study the nature of teacher, you have > understood the very nature of Datta. The aim of mother, father and > teacher is only the welfare of the child. But, mother and father may > become lenient due to their blind intensive love on the child. But, > the love of a teacher (Guru) is never blind and is always aimed at > the welfare of student. The love of father and mother may sometimes > spoil the welfare of the child. Therefore, Datta treats all the > living beings in the creation as His students and not as His issues. > Therefore, the teacher is more than father and mother. > > The Lord created fruits for both good and bad actions. Why should He > create a fruit for an action? Let there be acts without fruits. The > child does mischief, but the mother or father does not punish. In > that case, there is no fruit for that action. Similarly, let the > Lord not punish our sins. If you expect like this, the answer is > that the Lord does not behave like father or mother but behaves only > as a teacher. The child gets spoiled if the mischief is tolerated. > We are seeing this in the world. The teacher will never tolerate the > spoiling of the child and therefore, He will not tolerate the > mischief. > > God uses the fruits of your sins as punishments and the only aim is > your welfare. This is the reason why Datta is always called as Guru > Datta. Therefore, guru or teacher is greatest. The results of bad > deeds are used as punishments to transform and uplift the student. > Therefore, the result of a bad deed is very very useful for the > transformation of the soul. The results of your good deeds are given > to you just as a relaxation between two punishments. When He > punishes systematically, He is called as Yama. In the interval when > you receive happiness, He is Indra. Sometimes He gives severe > punishments with roaring sound. He is called as Kala Bhairava at > that time. The hell is the special equipment for punishment. The aim > of the punishment is only the real welfare. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > 09840051861 > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 I am neither Hindu nor Christian. I belong to Universal Spirituality, which means that I am a true Hindu and therefore simultaneously a true Christian. I like to question the conversion being done is whether based on conversion of religion or spirituality. If it is religious conversion, I am not interested in the topic. If it is a spiritual conversion, there is no need because all religions have the same spirituality. Religion is only an external dress and spirituality is the same person present in all the types of dress. If the religious conversion is aimed at a political background by which a religion wants to increase its number and thus wants to have a single kingdom of Christians or Hindus, there is no spirituality. When Jesus thought of spreading the kingdom of God, a revolutionist thought that Jesus was aiming to remove the Roman Government and establish Jewish rule, Jesus refused to join hands with that revolutionist. Only minority indicates real spirituality only to reach God as said by both Jesus and Krishna. Jesus told that the path leading towards Him is very narrow. Krishna told in Gita that one in millions only can reach Him. Therefore, the minority is supported by the Lord and not the majority. Quality lies in minority only and not in majority. Jesus told that wherever two or three people associate to praise the Lord, the Lord dwells there. This indicates a qualitative minority and not ignorant majority. You say that Hindus are worried about the conversion of Hindus into Christians. But I find at least a few Christians are also converted in to Hindus. Perhaps, the Hindu is worried since both the rates of conversions are not equal. If your worry is based on this point, you are not against the concept of conversion. If you are against the concept of conversion, you should not have agreed to convert Christians into Hindus also. If a Christian is converting Hindu in to Christianity, I advise him "why you are so much particular about the change in the culture which is the external religion. The internal spirituality remains same and therefore you have done only external conversion but not the internal conversion. Since spirituality in both religions remains the same, you have not converted him at all. You have plenty of money and broad mind to sacrifice. You help the poor Hindu because he is a poor theist. He is not atheist." On the same occasion I advise the Hindu also like this, "Most of Hindus are poor. The rich Hindu minority has no broad mind to sacrifice to poor fellow Hindus. Neither you help the poor people of Hinduism, nor allow them to get help from broad-minded rich Christians. Majority of Christians are rich and also are broad-minded. Why do you worry? The Hindu did not become atheist by becoming Christian. Only his external dress is changed. He changed just his shirt only and you need not worry about this." I wish every human being in this world to recognize the underlying common basis of all the religions, which is the Universal Spirituality. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami posted by: surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Surya, > > Even I have read only one line every 10 lines of Your essay. > Lot of conversions are carried out by missionaries, who > tempt poor people with little money, some small items and > colourful bibles. > Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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