Everything is as it should be!

[Guest guest]

om shanti to all my brothers and sisters in amma,

 

amma says that when things outside are not to our liking,

we should look inside; the outside is just a reflection

of what is inside of us.

 

it is par for the course that on the spiritual path we will have

our ups and downs

 

and sometimes wanting things to be different than what they are.

 

in the past i have had similar feelings;

but instead of unsubscribing I just take a break

 

wanting things to be different than what they are

is a pretty good sign of our ego trying to reassert itelf

the ego does not want to diminish; to surrender

 

over time, i feel this group is really going in the right direction

and that we are being guided by amma

 

amma talks to us through us

"amma is us" ~ amma

 

and i am happy with keval as the moderator

 

perhaps,

"Everything is as it should be!"

 

amma bless,

amarnath

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

I'd like to put in my 2 cents worth on this never-ending discourse. I am a

lurker. My Guru is not Amma. I am devoted to my Guru and yet went to Devi

Bhava in Toronto this year. I read your list because I enjoy the cyber satsang of

true, lovers of God which you clearly are.

the key concept in this discussion is Discrimination. Several mentioned that

Amma's teachings on the value of seeing other gurus and great beings is

somewhat contradictory.

I have found this to be true in my tradition also. From our first early years

of Sadhana, the Guru nurtures us with the support of the teachings and the

lessons offered with love to us for the practice of those teachings. As we

mature spiritually, more and more our lessons involve the application of these

"contradictions"

in order for us to learn to go within and examine the seeming disparity with

our highest serlf beyond the mind. The are "tests" for us, wonderful

opportunities for contemplation and application so that we can more and more live in

the light of God's love. Each must find their own inner truth, which will

differ from others, each grows in their own way and time.

What is right for one today may not work for someone else at that time.

There needn't be any discord. The purpose of all true Gurus is to help us see God

in each other even when it is difficult. When I read the posts I can feel

much ego, some are angry, some need to control, some need to be right, some are

fearful, some are quite judgemental, some don't want to play anymore. I guess

they take their toys and go home. None of this is helpful.

My Guru used to say " I don't need to do too much work because I put the

devotees together and they work on each other." Is that your Amma rock tumbler?

Same teaching.

I went to see Amma because it is rare to have the opportunity to see and pay

respects to a great being. I'm very glad I went. It was wonderful prasad all

day long. It did not affect my love or my focus on my Guru at all. I am where I

am supposed to be. I gave it great thought first because the teachings in my

tradition are. A) It is fine to pay respects to a great saint who one comes

across. We all need all the blessings we can get" B) "It is not good to

chase all the saints, to be spiritually promiscuous. Focus on your own master

one- pointedly." Same dichotomy as Amma. For me it was OK. to go. Some years

ago, a friend invited me to go to see Meerama in Germany. I was excited yet

uncomfortable within but I said yes anyway. When I called for Darshan

reservations, Adilakshmi answered the phone. We spoke for a few minutes and I told her

who my Guru was. She said "Ohh,you have a great master. You don't need to come

here." I felt it was a message from my Guru so I didn't go. At that time it

wasn't right. I was given a chance to practice discrimination between 2

choices.

As long as everyone is kind and inclusive on this list it will be fine. A few

mentions of other great ones will not affect Amma or your Dharma as her

devotee nor will it hurt this group.

It is great for some to learn that all truth is the same no matter who or

where it comes from.

Because you love her it will always come quickly back to the topic you love

most-Amma.

Sorry for such a long post. I guess it was a nickels worth!

 

Many Blessings to All,

Shakuntala

[Guest guest]

Great Wisdom! Thank you! God Bless!

 

 

Ammachi, nippermck wrote:

>

> Hello All,

> I'd like to put in my 2 cents worth on this never-ending

discourse. I am a

> lurker. My Guru is not Amma. I am devoted to my Guru and yet went

to Devi

> Bhava in Toronto this year. I read your list because I enjoy the

cyber satsang of

> true, lovers of God which you clearly are.

> the key concept in this discussion is Discrimination. Several

mentioned that

> Amma's teachings on the value of seeing other gurus and great

beings is

> somewhat contradictory.

> I have found this to be true in my tradition also. From our first

early years

> of Sadhana, the Guru nurtures us with the support of the teachings

and the

> lessons offered with love to us for the practice of those

teachings. As we

> mature spiritually, more and more our lessons involve the

application of these

> "contradictions"

> in order for us to learn to go within and examine the seeming

disparity with

> our highest serlf beyond the mind. The are "tests" for us,

wonderful

> opportunities for contemplation and application so that we can

more and more live in

> the light of God's love. Each must find their own inner truth,

which will

> differ from others, each grows in their own way and time.

> What is right for one today may not work for someone else at that

time.

> There needn't be any discord. The purpose of all true Gurus is to

help us see God

> in each other even when it is difficult. When I read the posts I

can feel

> much ego, some are angry, some need to control, some need to be

right, some are

> fearful, some are quite judgemental, some don't want to play

anymore. I guess

> they take their toys and go home. None of this is helpful.

> My Guru used to say " I don't need to do too much work because I

put the

> devotees together and they work on each other." Is that your Amma

rock tumbler?

> Same teaching.

> I went to see Amma because it is rare to have the opportunity to

see and pay

> respects to a great being. I'm very glad I went. It was wonderful

prasad all

> day long. It did not affect my love or my focus on my Guru at all.

I am where I

> am supposed to be. I gave it great thought first because the

teachings in my

> tradition are. A) It is fine to pay respects to a great saint who

one comes

> across. We all need all the blessings we can get" B) "It is not

good to

> chase all the saints, to be spiritually promiscuous. Focus on

your own master

> one- pointedly." Same dichotomy as Amma. For me it was OK. to go.

Some years

> ago, a friend invited me to go to see Meerama in Germany. I was

excited yet

> uncomfortable within but I said yes anyway. When I called for

Darshan

> reservations, Adilakshmi answered the phone. We spoke for a few

minutes and I told her

> who my Guru was. She said "Ohh,you have a great master. You

don't need to come

> here." I felt it was a message from my Guru so I didn't go. At

that time it

> wasn't right. I was given a chance to practice discrimination

between 2

> choices.

> As long as everyone is kind and inclusive on this list it will be

fine. A few

> mentions of other great ones will not affect Amma or your Dharma

as her

> devotee nor will it hurt this group.

> It is great for some to learn that all truth is the same no matter

who or

> where it comes from.

> Because you love her it will always come quickly back to the topic

you love

> most-Amma.

> Sorry for such a long post. I guess it was a nickels worth!

>

> Many Blessings to All,

> Shakuntala

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Appreciated. The experience revealed through any real spirutal

masters are same and are from the Same Supreme self. Hence your views

are accepted.

 

Shafiullah

 

 

Ammachi, "amarnath" <anatol_zinc wrote:

>

> Great Wisdom! Thank you! God Bless!

>

>

> Ammachi, nippermck@ wrote:

> >

> > Hello All,

> > I'd like to put in my 2 cents worth on this never-ending

> discourse. I am a

> > lurker. My Guru is not Amma. I am devoted to my Guru and yet

went

> to Devi

> > Bhava in Toronto this year. I read your list because I enjoy the

> cyber satsang of

> > true, lovers of God which you clearly are.

> > the key concept in this discussion is Discrimination. Several

> mentioned that

> > Amma's teachings on the value of seeing other gurus and great

> beings is

> > somewhat contradictory.

> > I have found this to be true in my tradition also. From our first

> early years

> > of Sadhana, the Guru nurtures us with the support of the

teachings

> and the

> > lessons offered with love to us for the practice of those

> teachings. As we

> > mature spiritually, more and more our lessons involve the

> application of these

> > "contradictions"

> > in order for us to learn to go within and examine the seeming

> disparity with

> > our highest serlf beyond the mind. The are "tests" for us,

> wonderful

> > opportunities for contemplation and application so that we can

> more and more live in

> > the light of God's love. Each must find their own inner truth,

> which will

> > differ from others, each grows in their own way and time.

> > What is right for one today may not work for someone else at that

> time.

> > There needn't be any discord. The purpose of all true Gurus is

to

> help us see God

> > in each other even when it is difficult. When I read the posts I

> can feel

> > much ego, some are angry, some need to control, some need to be

> right, some are

> > fearful, some are quite judgemental, some don't want to play

> anymore. I guess

> > they take their toys and go home. None of this is helpful.

> > My Guru used to say " I don't need to do too much work because I

> put the

> > devotees together and they work on each other." Is that your Amma

> rock tumbler?

> > Same teaching.

> > I went to see Amma because it is rare to have the opportunity to

> see and pay

> > respects to a great being. I'm very glad I went. It was wonderful

> prasad all

> > day long. It did not affect my love or my focus on my Guru at

all.

> I am where I

> > am supposed to be. I gave it great thought first because the

> teachings in my

> > tradition are. A) It is fine to pay respects to a great saint

who

> one comes

> > across. We all need all the blessings we can get" B) "It is not

> good to

> > chase all the saints, to be spiritually promiscuous. Focus on

> your own master

> > one- pointedly." Same dichotomy as Amma. For me it was OK. to

go.

> Some years

> > ago, a friend invited me to go to see Meerama in Germany. I was

> excited yet

> > uncomfortable within but I said yes anyway. When I called for

> Darshan

> > reservations, Adilakshmi answered the phone. We spoke for a few

> minutes and I told her

> > who my Guru was. She said "Ohh,you have a great master. You

> don't need to come

> > here." I felt it was a message from my Guru so I didn't go. At

> that time it

> > wasn't right. I was given a chance to practice discrimination

> between 2

> > choices.

> > As long as everyone is kind and inclusive on this list it will be

> fine. A few

> > mentions of other great ones will not affect Amma or your Dharma

> as her

> > devotee nor will it hurt this group.

> > It is great for some to learn that all truth is the same no

matter

> who or

> > where it comes from.

> > Because you love her it will always come quickly back to the

topic

> you love

> > most-Amma.

> > Sorry for such a long post. I guess it was a nickels worth!

> >

> > Many Blessings to All,

> > Shakuntala

> >

> >

> >